The Redstate author is bearing false witness, aka lying.

They went in there to troll. I've got no problem with that, but don't lie about it.

BINGO!

They went in looking for a fight.

Probably as a fund-raising tool with their fundie supporters.

You know that how?

Would you go to a gay coffee shop or bar to "relax"?

You seem to be saying that these Christians are very stupid. I believe that it's most likely that they told their story truthfully, and that the author at Redstate embellished it with false witness to get clicks to his crappy neocon website.

Only minutes later, the owner of the coffee shop burst into the room and demanded they leave.

I've read this story at a number of sites, often using the same language.

I don't see that they were "forcibly ejected". He didn't twist their arms behind their backs, he didn't sic a bouncer on them.

He did rant at them and berate them with foul language and blasphemy until they left voluntarily.

You do have to wonder if he would have served them beverages if he had known about their pamphleteering when he served them.

Would you go to a gay coffee shop or bar to "relax"?

Is a coffee shop some kind of hookup spot in the way that a gay bar or a gay bathhouse is?

How gay can any coffee shop be, even in a neighborhood with a reputation for gaiety? Maybe they're gayer than I imagine but I don't see any evidence of that. There's no mention of the shop being decorated with gay pornographic images or anything like that.

Would you go to a gay coffee shop or bar to "relax"?

It's Seattle. They did not know it was owned by a homosexual until he started berating them.

Gay Coffee Shop Owner Forcibly Ejects Christian Customers For Their Beliefs

As a Christian I don't want to be served by openly gay persons, If they don't agree with my beliefs I am perfectly happy to be served by someone who respects my beliefs so what I suggest is, just as it was back in the day, these poofters display a sign saying Christians not served here. They won't do that because they are too cowardly, knowing they cannot discriminate openly

You have evidence of such?

The very act and the players are all the evidence any rational person needs.

Or maybe you believe those fundies just happened to find a coffee shop owned by a homo IN SEATTLE by accident,because there are so many of them and so few owned and operated by heterosexuals or people who keep their sexual orientation to themselves?

If it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck,and looks like a duck,it's a freaking duck!

You do have to wonder if he would have served them beverages if he had known about their pamphleteering when he served them.

Seems unlikely.

Is a coffee shop some kind of hookup spot in the way that a gay bar or a gay bathhouse is?

How gay can any coffee shop be, even in a neighborhood with a reputation for gaiety?

The shop is just a shop. It's the owners that set the "theme" by being and appearing sexually and politically neutral,"out" with their sexuality but not pushy,or so light in the loafers most of their customers are also homosexuals,and the owners have to chain themselves to the counter to keep from floating away.

I used to eat lunch at a coffee shop all the time that was owned by two homos. They were a couple and didn't try to hide it. Nor did they seem to feel any desire to advertise it. They had good sandwiches at reasonable prices and were at a convenient location. It was at an oceanfront building in a resort area,and every time I went in there to eat it was mostly local construction workers in there eating,with very few tourists. I am sure if they had been radical homosexual activists that most of their regulars would have been eating and meeting somewhere else for coffee,but they were never "in your face" about it so as far as I know nobody bothered them. Live and let live.

Of course he doesn't. He gets excited by by faggot causes. Pete's weakness.

ROFLMAO!

Yeah,my bad. I'm one of those un-American radicals that thinks all Americans are equal in the eye of the law,and we all have equal rights as well as equal responsibilities as citizens,regardless of race,gender,wealth,or religious POV's.

PLEASE correct me if I am wrong,but it seems to ME that those radical anti-homosexual bible-thumpers that condemn homosexuals to an eternity in hell just for BEING homosexuals could have PROBABLY been able to find a coffee shop in SEATTLE that WASN'T owned by homosexuals if homosexuality bothered them that much.

Is there any city in America that has a higher percentage of coffee shops per 1,000 population than Seattle?

And since these people live in Seattle themselves and are radical anti-homosexuals,you would THINK they were aware THAT particular coffee shop was owned and operated by a homosexual.

Drama queens looking for drama in order to get some press for fund-raising purposes,nothing more,nothing less.

Yeah,my bad. I'm one of those un-American radicals that thinks all Americans are equal in the eye of the law,and we all have equal rights as well as equal responsibilities as citizens,regardless of race,gender,wealth,or religious POV's.

No that is a lie. You want special privileges for faggot. That is why you cry and wet your pants about the faggot causes. Yes you never once complained that there are segregated showers at public schools. So you don't really believe what you said.

Now shut up about it I'm not going to listen to faggot propaganda here.

PLEASE correct me if I am wrong,but it seems to ME that those radical anti-homosexual bible-thumpers that condemn homosexuals to an eternity in hell just for BEING homosexuals could have PROBABLY been able to find a coffee shop in SEATTLE that WASN'T owned by homosexuals if homosexuality bothered them that much.

You lied and made that up because you wet your pants for the faggot.

Prove what you said is true. You cannot do that. You just start making stuff up to protect the faggot and discriminate against the normals. Sick.

And since these people live in Seattle themselves and are radical anti-homosexuals,you would THINK they were aware THAT particular coffee shop was owned and operated by a homosexual.

You obviously keep up with where the faggot hang out. Normal people don't.

I don't want to hear any responses from you on this. Thanks in advance.

No that is a lie. You want special privileges for faggot.

YOU are the liar here Stone,not me,and everybody knows it.

Yes you never once complained that there are segregated showers at public schools.

What the HELL do segregated or non-segregated showers in public schools have to do with anything? I have never discusses this issue because I have never heard or seen it mentioned before.

Do YOU think there should be segregated showers in public schools? If so,start a thread and make your case.

Prove what you said is true. You cannot do that. You just start making stuff up to protect the faggot and discriminate against the normals. Sick.

Do yourself a favor and just come out of the closet and be done with it,Stone.

You are clearly jealous of "out" homosexuals and want to see them punished for having the guts to go public with it instead of hiding in the closet with you and pretending to be something you're not.

Oh you don't you just want special treatment for faggots.

206) 910-2300

Call the faggot and complain.

And since these people live in Seattle themselves and are radical anti-homosexuals,you would THINK they were aware THAT particular coffee shop was owned and operated by a homosexual.

They were near the coffee shop, handing out pamphlets that specifically targeted gays on the issue of abortion.

I kinda thought that this must have been a predominantly gay neighborhood and that they knew that or they wouldn't have handed out those particular pamphlets.

Yes you never once complained that there are segregated showers at public schools.

In Germany, it is pretty routine to have coed showers in the public schools. I'm not sure if that is universal or not but I've seen it reported as common and Germans don't give it a second thought. They're very casual about nudity in Germany, in much the same way as the Scandinavians are.

Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community for the spread of the Gospel.

Wow! A three-fer. They should have added a pro-gun message, too.

In Germany, it is pretty routine to have coed showers in the public schools.

And they practice cannibalism in Papua New Guinea. Now, I'm not real sure what you're suggesting by your post, but be aware I'm ready to counter.

Now, I'm not real sure what you're suggesting by your post, but be aware I'm ready to counter.

I'd better head for the hills. LOL

You couldn't help yourself. Bye.

Are you banning people this early in the day?

You only have about 15-20 regulars, less than that of irregular posters.

Yesterday, you had 137 posts here at LF by my count. 11 by me, 13 by you, 8 by sneakypete, 21 by nolu, and so on.

Of course, post counts go way or down for any given poster, depending on how busy they are, what's in the news, etc.

Just cancel your sneaky ban. I'm pretty sure he doesn't hang out here just to try to someday get to feel up your buttocks. This banning stuff is one of the more destructive things you do this forum.

Are you [A K A Stone] banning people this early in the day?

He does anything he wants. It is not limited to "early" ... but by Sunday, he will will bring 'em all back into the fold!

They were near the coffee shop, handing out pamphlets that specifically targeted gays on the issue of abortion.

I don't see the relevance. They weren't handing them out in the coffee shop. They were thrown out of the coffee shop solely based on who they were.

Flip it around. Gays are near a straight cofee shop handing out NAMBLA literature. You take it from there.

This banning stuff is one of the more destructive things you do this forum.

Yeah. I miss Roscoe.

I don't see the relevance. They weren't handing them out in the coffee shop. They were thrown out of the coffee shop solely based on who they were.

I was only saying that this was likely a gay neighborhood since they were targeting a gay audience for their pro-life literature.

You wouldn't go hand out such literature out in the suburbs where maybe 1:1000 people are gay. You'd go to a neighborhood known for gayness, where you might get 20%-30% gay people walking down the street to give your gay pro-life pamphlets to.

So I think this was a gay-owned coffee shop in a neighborhood that is known for being a gay ghetto place with large numbers of gays or even a majority of gays living there.

Yeah. I miss Roscoe.

You would.

since they were targeting a gay audience for their pro-life literature.

Why? High rate of abortion among homosexuals?

Even if they knew the coffee shop owner was gay I don't see how it would make a diference. Does he throw out everyone he doesn't like?

Why? High rate of abortion among homosexuals?

I base my remark on the article: "Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community for the spread of the Gospel."

Oops, I forgot. It's against the rules to actually read an article here at LF.

Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community

Why would faggots care one way or the other about abortion?

High rate of abortion among homosexuals?

I want to call you phuckng, "STUPID." It won't be the last tyme.

I base my remark on the article: "Caytie Davis and her fellows had been handing out pro-life pamphlets that targeted the homosexual community for the spread of the Gospel."

So you're saying the coffee shop owner kicked them out solely because they were pro-life?

I want to call you phuckng, "STUPID."

Yes, yes. I know.

Why would faggots care one way or the other about abortion?

I have no idea. I get the impression that they made a pro-life argument to try to get Teh Gays to get saved and abandon sodomy.

The articles about this story do give links so you can go see the actual pamphlet they distributed. I just wasn't that interested.

So you're saying the coffee shop owner kicked them out solely because they were pro-life?

I said nothing of the sort. I suspect he was kicking them out for trying to convert Teh Gays from sodomy to Christianity but I haven't read their literature and don't care that much.

As a Christian I don't want to be served by openly gay persons, If they don't agree with my beliefs I am perfectly happy to be served by someone who respects my beliefs so what I suggest is, just as it was back in the day, these poofters display a sign saying Christians not served here. They won't do that because they are too cowardly, knowing they cannot discriminate openly

I believe the running argument here is if a shop owner wants to refuse service it should be within their rights to do so. However, we know doing such based on race or skin color would evoke a civil rights case.

The question is does this anti-discrimination protection extend to sexual preferences and religious affiliation. In the US the 1st Amendment protects the free exercise of religion. For example, if the coffee shop saw Christians saying grace before eating and drinking, throwing them out would be doing so for their free exercise.

What we are eventually going to get to here in the States is some shop owners refusing service to people not sharing their own political or social worldview. Which I don't believe one can sue the shop owners.

This is a very aggressive pro-life group, they refer to themselves as abolitionists. You can see their flagship site AbolishHumanAbortion.com.

For example, if the coffee shop saw Christians saying grace before eating and drinking, throwing them out would be doing so for their free exercise.

They had already been served and gone upstairs to a reading room before the owner, probably tipped off by some busybody, found out what kind of literature they handed out and came up to demand that they leave.

If he served them, I'm not sure how you would sue him. He provided the beverages and bakery-made goods (if any) that he had on display. I'm not sure that public accommodation includes a right to be seated if other customers are claiming that you upset them.

I suspect he was kicking them out for trying to convert Teh Gays from sodomy to Christianity

Something along those lines -- but not in the coffee shop which, again, is the key point.

I'm not sure that public accommodation includes a right to be seated if other customers are claiming that you upset them.

Good point! I think they used that loophole in the 50's when blacks demanded a seat at the counter -- "No can do. It'll upset the whites."

Something along those lines -- but not in the coffee shop which, again, is the key point.

True enough. No one has alleged they were proselytizing in the coffee joint.

They might have been wearing their abolitionist T-shirts or had other abolitionist gear. Some of the abolitionist T-shirts are pretty graphic stuff with aborted babies all chopped up and such. There are a lot of restaurants that would not want you to wear that kind of stomach-churning stuff in their business.

Looking at the pamphlet, it seems they were trying to convert gays to pro-life, not to get them to dump their sodomy lifestyles and become Christians.

This is a very aggressive pro-life group, they refer to themselves as abolitionists.

I think you agree that if that was their sole message they're in the wrong neighborhood.

Or maybe you believe those fundies just happened to find a coffee shop owned by a homo IN SEATTLE by accident,because there are so many of them and so few owned and operated by heterosexuals or people who keep their sexual orientation to themselves?

When was the last time you were in Seattle? It's the second largest gay haven next to San Francisco.