Robert Barnes: No, NFL Players Do Not Have a Right to Kneel or Boycott American Anthem
The Associated Press
by Robert Barnes 26 Sep 2017
Like the Democratic Party, the NFL has forgot who put them there. The NFL is in the entertainment business, and the heart of its fan base is Trump country. It aint CNN.
First, the First Amendment protects against the government limiting speech (like public universities do routinely these days); it is not a license to use your employer to harangue their customers. On the companys time and the customers dime, you have no First Amendment right to lecture your customers or fellow employees or anyone else for that matter.
Second, the NFL rules allow broad discretion to owners to fire any player for a wide range of offensive expression, even outside the field of play. The NFL recognizes and repeats this in court filings all the time. It is on this basis the NFL restricts everything from what players can wear on the field (like threatening to fine players for commemorating 9/11) to the players domestic interpersonal relationships. The NFL has punished a range of expression, from the charitable (players fined for wearing breast cancer research support clothing items) to the benign (dance expressions in the end zone).
Third, each contract a player signs includes templated language that reflects these rules. A player must conduct himself on and off the field with appropriate recognition of the fact that the success of professional football depends largely on public respect for and approval of those associated with the game (Paragraph 2). Additionally, any player whose personal conduct is reasonably judged by the club to adversely affect or reflect on the club can have his contract terminated immediately. (Paragraph 11). The players own CBA (collective bargaining agreement) reinforced this league prerogative, authorizing owners right of suspension or termination for conduct detrimental to public confidence in football. (Article 46).
Fourth, the league specifically articulates restrictions on how players must handle the national anthem. The game-operations manual not the rules manual dictates how NFL games should be run, including how players must handle the anthem. The NFLs own website threatens penalties for noncompliance with the game operations manual. The manual requires that all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. It further requires the players stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking during the playing of the anthem. The manual recognized the league will be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country and it is thusly the duties of the owner to have this pointed our to players and coaches. The sanctions for non-compliance include fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choices.
Trump is right: the leagues own rules require respect for the anthem and flag under which many Americans returned in caskets. The fact the NFL chose to ignore its own rules, its own contracts, and its own collective bargaining agreement is a sign it doesnt consider disrespect for the flag to be conduct detrimental to the public reputation of the league. Thats what happens when you get your news from CNN.
#1: nolu chan To: 3-Dee (#0)
I saw this yesterday and while the author cites the NFL Game Operations Manual specifically states, in quotations, all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem, he does not cite to where this allegedly appears, and I cannot find any such quote. I have found no source that provides a link to the manual where the content may be seen, nor any image of any manual page.
I have found endless sources quoting internet sources, but none enabling verification of the quote.
http://operations.nfl.com/
http://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/
At least that says "the players appear, the national anthem is sung," apparently saying the players appear before the anthem begins. Of course, it is not a Rule which is enforcable for disciplinary purposes.
Left side select "The Game" [the football icon]
Select Gameday
Scroll down to Countdown to Kickoff
Scroll down to "20 Minutes" and here is the countdown:
I first saw the assertion appear as claiming the content was in the NFL Official Playing Rules. When that proved specious, it revived with someone claiming it was in the NFL Operations Manual.
The online game operations content only says when the teams must leave the locker room. It says nothing of when they must clear the tunnel leading to the field, and appear on the field itself.
I can find published articles citing pages a62-a63, but never with a link to enable one to see the pages.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/24/were-not-going-to-play-politics-steelers-mike-tomlin-says-team-wont-take-the-field-for-anthem/
It may be that the internet is buzzing with a story whose attribution is "according to a league source," meaning the writer never saw the page, and "a league source" is really, really vague.
http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/
Another anonymous source, and the writer did not see the alleged pages.
http://www.snopes.com/must-nfl-players-stand/
There is a named league source, but he does not confirm the alleged content of the alleged pages a62-a63.
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-27 19:38:16 Reply Private Reply
#2: Tooconservative To: 3-Dee (#0)
Bannon isn't backing down one iota. He's turning up the heat.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-27 21:16:20 Reply Private Reply
#3: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#1)
It was the first presidential debate on NBC with Lester Holt on 9/26/16. So the Week 3 numbers don't tell us much.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-27 21:24:16 Reply Private Reply
#4: Tooconservative To: 3-Dee (#0)
There is no such credit on this piece at Breitbart. I can't imagine AP syndicating it and don't see any search engine results for AP.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-27 21:41:41 Reply Private Reply
#5: 3-Dee To: Tooconservative (#4)
3-Dee posted on 2017-09-27 21:47:12 Reply Private Reply
#6: Tooconservative To: 3-Dee (#5)
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-27 21:50:55 Reply Private Reply
#7: 3-Dee To: Tooconservative (#6)
Sorry. I own this one. Long day and didn't catch it at the time.
3-Dee posted on 2017-09-27 22:02:21 Reply Private Reply
#8: Tooconservative To: 3-Dee (#7)
I just posted an update to the Steelers thread. Check it out.
The Steelers have really got the message from their fans. LOL
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-27 23:26:47 Reply Private Reply
#9: nolu chan To: Tooconservative (#3)
I saw that and also that the NFL tried the same crap. Of course their numbers were up from one year ago on Monday. It is just a reflection of how bad their numbers were against the debate a year ago.
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-27 23:38:15 Reply Private Reply
#10: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#9)
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-28 00:03:04 Reply Private Reply
#11: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#9)
The Hill:
Overall, the Redskins 27-10 victory was down 9 percent compared to last week's matchup between the Green Bay Packers and Atlanta Falcons, and 11 percent when compared to last year's Week 3 Sunday night game on NBC.
The afternoon games also didn't fare well, with Fox's national game between the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles down 16 percent from the featured game in Week 3 last season on the network.
CBS's national game at 4:25 p.m. ET, an overtime thriller featuring the Green Bay Packers comeback over the Cincinnati Bengals, was down just 1 percent when compared with 2016's Week 3.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-28 00:23:30 Reply Private Reply
#12: redleghunter To: Tooconservative (#8)
Blue collar Miller High Life swilling Trump supporters. I knew the sparks would fly. These are the same folks who put Trump over the top in PA.
redleghunter posted on 2017-09-28 00:39:45 Reply Private Reply
#13: redleghunter To: Tooconservative (#11)
redleghunter posted on 2017-09-28 00:42:22 Reply Private Reply
#14: nolu chan To: Tooconservative (#11)
Yuh think? But it dived in Dallas/Ft. Worth. I have my very sincere doubts that Jerry is going to join a midfield circle jerk, kneeling in Dallas. He might do that in Arizona, but I will bet a cookie there is no repeat in Dallas.
The spin sounds good, but if Kneeling Jerry was a success, I want to know what a disaster looks like. How many Dallas viewers saw Jerry take a knee and changed the channel?
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-cowboys/cowboys/2017/09/26/cowboys-mnf-rating-plummets-dallas-fort-worth
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-28 00:46:47 Reply Private Reply
#15: Tooconservative To: redleghunter (#12)
I thought the Steelers might be the breaking point. Those videos and Limbaugh turning on them was just too much pressure. They were going to be the biggest losers with their fans, maybe a lot more than other NFL teams would lose.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-28 06:42:30 Reply Private Reply
#16: Tooconservative To: redleghunter (#13)
And no gays or transgenders? Any of them women? I don't recall any.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-28 06:44:15 Reply Private Reply
#17: Tooconservative To: nolu chan, redleghunter (#14)
Interesting to consider the direct feedback these cable companies and Directv get from their satellite boxes.
If you're hooked to a Comcast system and have a cable modem, they do get info about what you're watching in real time. If you've hooked your Directv box to the internet for their Whole-Home or streaming services, they also get that info. And they've been collecting this info for some time. So they know the viewing habits of a lot of people, measured directly.
You have to wonder just what the cable companies and Directv learned about who was switching the channel, how many switched as soon as they saw it, how many watched through to the end of the game or quit early, etc.
Directv didn't give those season ticket refunds for no reason, I think. They saw something in the metered viewing data of who was still watching and who switched off.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-28 06:54:25 Reply Private Reply
#18: Deckard To: Tooconservative, nolu chan, redleghunter (#17)
Deckard posted on 2017-09-28 07:01:13 Reply Private Reply
#19: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#14)
Slimes: Navy Returns to Compasses and Pencils to Help Avoid Collisions at Sea
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-28 09:24:06 Reply Private Reply
#20: redleghunter To: Tooconservative (#16)
As Rush says "only the sideline babe reporters."
redleghunter posted on 2017-09-28 17:32:46 Reply Private Reply