From the 10% I did understand, she was saying that irregardless of any argument anyone could make, the dog bothered HER and that's enough reason to throw the dog out.

That said ... a service dog for PTSD? Hmmmm. Given that this was an eating establishment, maybe he should have gone through the drive-thru.

Some people think that in the next few years, fake service animals will greatly outnumber real service animals.

Amazon and others sell the little vests to help these fake service dogs pass muster for their fraudulent owners. It's a bigger scam than even handicapped parking tags. Spend $15-$32 and put a little vest on your dog and take him everywhere.

Amazon: service dog vests and accessories

People are using the service dog excuse so they can take their dogs with them on planes, to restaurants and resorts and hotels. They're just taking advantage of it. I've read articles about it.

I have no doubt that happens. However, in this case i see the dog being very well behaved -- like a service dog. The only disruptive animal I saw was the woman.

I have no doubt that happens. However, in this case i see the dog being very well behaved -- like a service dog. The only disruptive animal I saw was the woman.

I see a very large athletic man who probably doesn't need moment-by-moment companionship from a dog.

I'd like to know if he had any recommendation from a psychiatrist or therapist that he obtain and keep a service dog near him constantly due to his deep emotional needs.

Does he look all that delicate to you? He doesn't to me.

I say, throw her out, keep the dog !!

Personally, this service dog bullshit is as ridiculous as safe spaces... and imho, more pussification of society. WEAKNESS, which I loath more than anything. Weakness is the crux of liberalism.

With that said, this urban zoo potato should have been tossed out the door head first for acting like a Black Lies Matters, Antifa and CopBlock anarchist asshole.

Hope all is well for you and yours, GI.

However, in this case i see the dog being very well behaved -- like a service dog.

Exactly.

If it weren't well trained it would have responded to what was a clear and present danger and threat to his master and torn that cretin to shreds.

Its unhealthy.

This started out as a good thing but now its been blown apart by mentally ill people!(not talking PTSD people)

My family and self are fine... had minor surgery Thursday. Hope to return to work on Monday.

Hope you and family are well.

Personally, this service dog bullshit is as ridiculous as safe spaces... and imho, more pussification of society. WEAKNESS, which I loath more than anything. Weakness is the crux of liberalism.

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Im sorry but there is just no reason to bring an animal into a place you eat!

I would keep the exception for seeing-eye dogs (or service animals) for the blind.

I would keep the exception for seeing-eye dogs (or service animals) for the blind.

Given that's it's Federal law, I would say they need to for any disability that's commonly accepted (whether it's legitimate or not) if they don't want to lose their business through litigation. It's the same as kicking fags out of your business.

It's the same as kicking fags out of your business.

I wouldn't say that serving the blind should be compared to declining to serve gays. But perhaps we are wandering away from the topic.

From the 10% I did understand, she was saying that irregardless of any argument anyone could make, the dog bothered HER and that's enough reason to throw the dog out.

I don't get it. Sometimes,back in my wilder days,I've had people object to ME entering public places. I always told them there was nothing to keep THEM from leaving,but if they were unable to leave for some physical reason,I would be more than happy to toss them out the door.

For some odd reason that always seemed to calm them down.

The only disruptive animal I saw was the woman.

And truthfully,what else did you expect from THAT breed and gender of animal?

Does he look all that delicate to you? He doesn't to me.

You can't tell by looking. I have seen large,mean-looking men play the role of tough-guy bully until somebody stood up to them and turned then into instant bitches.

Personally, this service dog bullshit is as ridiculous as safe spaces... and imho, more pussification of society. WEAKNESS, which I loath more than anything. Weakness is the crux of liberalism.

As much as it pains me to admit it,I agree with you on this one.

Never had PTSD,but IF that guy has PTSD and the dog helps him handle it,the SOB should stay how with the dog when he is having problems. I have known a few people with PTSD,and it's not a 24/7 thing. It comes and goes.

However, in this case i see the dog being very well behaved -- like a service dog.

MUCH better behaved than the Ghetto Rat doing all the screaming.

Then again,the dog is probably smarter,too.

Im sorry but there is just no reason to bring an animal into a place you eat!

Its unhealthy.

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How is it unhealthy? MOST Americans have pets in their house,and I'm going to go out on a limb and claim most Americans sometimes eat meals in their houses.

How is it unhealthy? MOST Americans have pets in their house,and I'm going to go out on a limb and claim most Americans sometimes eat meals in their houses.

Allergies to dogs, mostly to their saliva and the dead skin cells they shed. During some portions of the year, their fur does collect pollens so their presence can induce hay fever.

http://www.webmd.com/allergies/dog-allergies#1

http://www.webmd.com/allergies/allergy-statistics

8% of the American population suffers from asthma at any given time. And that is a lot more than vets claiming they must have a furry animal to stroke to keep them calm.

There is probably a greater likelihood at any given time that a "service dog" will trigger someone else's asthma than that the service animal will actually be needed for any legitimate reason. Look at the size of that huge dog, he would probably trigger an asthma attack just walking past an asthma sufferer.

These dog people are very very selfish, as much so or more so than smokers even. At least you don't see smokers even trying to light up any more in a restaurant or bar. So smokers are better human beings than these despicable dog fetishists.

If you're going to serve them, these animals and their owners should be segregated in an area separate from the rest of the customers, preferably outside. Which is where animals belong.

I look at this from the businessman's perspective. Shit happens get sued and go out of business. Thats what can happen. Dog bites someone, animal shits on something, bird freaks out and attacks or fly into a fan(what a mess to clean up). I saw this Captain Jack sparrow wannabe walk about "Northern tools" with largest ass bird and I guess he had psychologist with him to keep watch. It was freaky to say the least. The psychologist was telling people not to get to close because it could freak out the bird and it would attack.

I just do not see a reason why we must allow animals into a place we eat.

There are just so many reason not allow this but MSM cries and the sheeple cave to an insane world.

8% of the American population suffers from asthma at any given time.

Then that 8 percent need to stay home and quit irritating the other 92 percent.

Then that 8 percent need to stay home and quit irritating the other 92 percent.

I'd rather have the dogs stay home than the asthmatics and highly allergic.

I see no reason why that vet was in that restaurant with that huge dog. I think that vet had a phony service dog and didn't want to just leave him at home and couldn't leave him in the vehicle because someone would turn him in. So, bam, you've got some 120lb dog in a restaurant because "I love taking my doggie with me everywhere".

We haven't even mentioned people who are terrified by dogs, some of whom were attacked by dogs when they were children. I had a friend who many years ago kept a big very aggressive German shepherd named Bruiser, he loved that dog, he loved knowing how much it intimidated everyone. Until the day it tore half of his niece's face off for no good reason at a family gathering. She was not quite 5yo, had to have extensive facial reconstruction as a result. The dog was, of course, destroyed and he hasn't had the nerve to own a dog since (knowing what we all would think and say). Would you say that that little girl, now grown and with a scarred face, has a right not to be terrified in a restaurant by people bringing fake service dogs in the place?

I'm with the screaming bitch on this one: GTFO with the goddammed dogs! (Unless you're blind.)

This woman had to shield her son from a vicious attack.

This little girl had her entire face ripped off by a family dog.

I can post these all day long.

We haven't even mentioned people who are terrified by dogs, some of whom were attacked by dogs when they were children.

Ok,so now everybody ELSE is responsible for some unknown individuals psychosis?

BTW,WHY was that guy your friend? You need to be more discrimminating.

As for your friend,someone needed to catch him away from the dog and beat him within an inch of his life. Preferably his brother or brother-in-law. The dog was only acting that way because he has been taught and encouraged to act that way. You obviously don't like dogs,but if you were to be honest with yourself you would know the dog wasn't to blame.

I do agree with you as far as "PTSD Dogs" goes,though. ESPECIALLY given the TRUTH that actual PTSD is pretty damn rare. The VA now awards it to everyone with a pulse that has been within 500 miles of a gunfight. They gave me a disability rating for PTSD,and I told them the absolute truth,which is that I haven't had a nightmare about my time in VN since I left there and only know maybe two people from my unit that did. Both of them were in rear echelon leadership decision role,and both of them had nightmares about some of the decisions they had to make for teams in the field that got overran. The truth is to any impartial outside observer they were totally blameless,but the sad,sad truth is people with honor are their own worse enemies when it comes to things like that.

The VA does this for a couple of reasons. One is they don't like being told they are not giving vets the proper treatment,and the other reason is it's job security for the shirks that work there.

As for me,I was already receiving pay for 100 percent service-connected disabilities,so it didn't cost them a dime because 100 percent of disability pay is all anybody gets. There is no more.

I'm with the screaming bitch on this one: GTFO with the goddammed dogs! (Unless you're blind.)

So,it's ok for someone that is blind to traumatize someone that is afraid of dogs. Gotcha.

How about this,bubba? If YOU are the one with the psychosis,how about YOU be the one that stays home? It is YOUR problem,not the worlds problem.

Perhaps you could be in charge of explaining to these dog attack victims why they should tolerate having dogs in a restaurant with them?

Perhaps YOU can explain why *I* should have to explain anything to anyone? None of those dogs belonged to me,and I wasn't there.

Let's look more at the problem of fake service dogs. 19 states have now passed laws against these frauds trying to pretend their house dog (like Fifi below) is a service animal.

I agree with you that this whole "service dog" thing is out of control,but the truth is there is no reason at all that a housedog/pet can't also be a service dog.

There are professional organizations that train service dogs. I see NO reason why REQUIRING anyone who travels with a "Service dog" to have the papers from such an organization that certifies the dog IS a service dog with them at all times they are away from home with the dog. Seems like a "falling off a log" simple solution to me.

BTW,I have ZERO sympathy for anyone over 12 years old that approaches a strange dog and starts physical contact with it. If you don't want to get bitten,don't be screwing with strange dogs.

So that phony "service dogs" can have the run of public restaurants.

You're pretty much an asshole.

Me, I put people ahead of dogs and cats and other animals. And I always distrust people who do put animals ahead of people. Even people I hate rank higher than any animal, even ones I cared a lot for. In the area where I live, you will never see an animal in a restaurant or fast food place or store. It just is not done.

So people with asthma and allergies and people who have a traumatic history of having survived a vicious dog attack, they should all stay home.

Sure,if the delicate little snowflakes are going to do nothing but bitch when they go out.

You're pretty much an asshole.

Wassamadds bubba,you get terrified when you see some "purse dog" that idiots like Paris Hilton carry around,and want the government to protect you from that "monster"?

YOU are the asshole,bubba. You want everyone else to order their lives in such a way to make YOU comfortable with YOUR mental problems.

Man the BLEEP up,or stay home. Your choice.

Man the BLEEP up,or stay home. Your choice.

Sure. Dogs come first with you, eh?

No wonder you're alone.

Given that's it's Federal law, I would say they need to for any disability that's commonly accepted (whether it's legitimate or not) if they don't want to lose their business through litigation.

It is just about impossible for a public accomodation to legally elicit enough information to make an informed decision about whether the claim of a service dog is legitimate or not. They are prohibited by law from inquiring about the nature of the disability.

https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm

Service Animals Must Be Under Control

Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless these devices interfere with the service animal’s work or the individual’s disability prevents using these devices. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls.

Inquiries, Exclusions, Charges, and Other Specific Rules Related to Service Animals

• When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task.
• Allergies and fear of dogs are not valid reasons for denying access or refusing service to people using service animals. When a person who is allergic to dog dander and a person who uses a service animal must spend time in the same room or facility, for example, in a school classroom or at a homeless shelter, they both should be accommodated by assigning them, if possible, to different locations within the room or different rooms in the facility.
• A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence.
• Establishments that sell or prepare food must allow service animals in public areas even if state or local health codes prohibit animals on the premises.
• People with disabilities who use service animals cannot be isolated from other patrons, treated less favorably than other patrons, or charged fees that are not charged to other patrons without animals. In addition, if a business requires a deposit or fee to be paid by patrons with pets, it must waive the charge for service animals.
• If a business such as a hotel normally charges guests for damage that they cause, a customer with a disability may also be charged for damage caused by himself or his service animal.
• Staff are not required to provide care or food for a service animal.

So people with asthma and allergies and people who have a traumatic history of having survived a vicious dog attack, they should all stay home.

So that phony "service dogs" can have the run of public restaurants.

Are you actually trying to make an argument here or are you just being argumentative for the sake of it?

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that she had any allergies or trauma about dogs. Frankly, the dog just looked at her like the crazy bitch she was.

Every evidence suggests this was a legally a legally sanctioned service dog (whether i agree with this or not).

She was just a deranged bitch trying to start trouble.

Every evidence suggests this was a legally a legally sanctioned service dog (whether i agree with this or not).

There's no evidence of that at all.

There's no evidence of that at all.

I would say that the way the animal remained calm is plenty of evidence, even if you don't believe the designations on the dog's jacket (also evidence).

Sure. Dogs come first with you, eh?

No question about it,but even more important are the rights of the 92 percent of the people who DON'T have dog-related allergies. Why the HELL should the world kiss your ass because you do?

Are you SURE you aren't a Obomber supporter?

Are you SURE you aren't a Obomber supporter?

Gee, I never really thought about it. I'll get back to you.