It is official. The deep state has admitted that Trump is now under their control and it is now business as usual just like it was under Bush and Obama and just like it wouldve been under Hillary.
For those who dont remember, with the help of mainstream mediafrom The New York Times to Fox Newsafter 9/11, Americans were duped into accepting endless war by George W. Bush thanks to a constant bombardment of lies sold to the masses under the guise of protecting freedom. All one needs to do to realize no freedoms were protected by these wars, in which thousands of Americans died and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were slaughtered, is look around today.
With every action recorded, phone tapped, innocent family surveilled, right stripped, and citizen killed by their government, the term Freedom has become a mere symbolic representation of the brittle shell of America left behind after being gutted by unelected operatives in the deep state hell bent on total control and perpetual war.
Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and other neocons hailing from the notorious Project for the New American Century (PNAC), co-founded by neoconservative extraordinaire, William Bill Kristol, had their agenda of military hegemony clearly laid out, years before 9/11 which Bush would implement for them perfectly.
After Obama promised to end the wars, he quickly fell in line and started several more. And now, this very same thing is happening with Trump.
The deep state neocon/neolib faction has become so successful at shifting the narrative toward irrelevant infighting that no one even notices when their candidate gets into office and does a 180 on damn near every promise they made Trump included. Here are just two powerful examples of Trump selling out to the deep state.
Saudi Arabia. Before Trump was elected, he admitted that he knew Saudi Arabia funded 9/11. Now, as the world finds this out, Trump gives them hundreds of billions in weapons and calls them our allies.
Afghanistan. Before he was elected, Trump was vehemently opposed to the quagmire in Afghanistan and called it stupid, wasteful, and dangerous. Now, just like his predecessors, hes doubling down and send thousands more troops into an unwinnable war in which they will kill or be killed only to come home with PTSD or worse.
Dare we say, We told you so?
While many had faith that Trump would keep his promises, the fact is that all presidents are puppets and no matter who is in office, the shadow government always wins.
The deep state is so brazen, that the founder of PNAC actually took to MSNBC this week to admit theyve finally gotten a grip on Trump.
After Trump made his UN speech, promising more war and to annihilate the millions of citizens in North Korea if they should make one wrong move, Bill Kristol himself went on MSNBC to praise him for it.
Kristol said Trump sounded a little like George W. Bush to me and that for all of Donald Trumps America First talk and repudiation of the Bush-McCain-Romney foreign policy, it came across as more standard, even with the Trumpian aspects.
Kristol openly admitted that yes, Trump ran on a non-interventionist policy of peace and actually criticized Bush and Obama for their senseless wars, but now he is just like Bush. But it gets worse.
As to why Trump now sounds like Bush, according to Kristol, its because the deep state has officially attached their puppet strings.
The people around Trump have gotten more of a grip on Trump, I think, in foreign policy, than I would have expected This is a more normal speech by an American president than I might have thought three, four months ago, said Kristol.
And just like that, on live TV, the neocon of neocons who is an unmistakable member and policy writer of the deep state said that Trump is now a puppet whose very strings are pulled by the Swamp he promised to drain, yet never did.
Yes, this is the same Bill Kristol who just two months ago called Trump a Jackass.
Its not just the neocons whove noticed Trumps transformation into a deep state neocon puppet either lots of us have including former Congressman Ron Paul.
Who wouldve thought? Paul noted before epically explaining Trumps hypocritical transition.
Trump bashed W. and the Iraq War relentlessly during his campaign.
Now, the very same people who brought us the Iraq nightmare are giddy with excitement.
Neocons like John Bolton and Elliot Abrams are so happy to see this new Trump.
Today, the king of the warmongers Bill Kristol says Trump sounded a little like George W. Bush to me.
The people who have never been right, and have done unimaginable damage to the United States of America are gearing up to take us back into the abyss.
Donald Trump is their new W.
Welcome to the deep state Donald Trump, we hope you enjoy selling out your base.
#1: Liberator To: Deckard (#0)
OBVIOUS coercion through blackmail and threats can't be considered "selling out."
Ergo, even THIS writer (Matt Agorist) has ironically HIMSELF sold out -- and is now part of the "Deep State" apparatus.
Nice try, Matt, at trying to blow the mind. (I'm being nice here.) Agorist is The Free Thought Project's new neocon hand-puppet
It was obvious affable NWO-Puppet Dubya was a hard-core Globalist' side who needed NO prodding since Day One, NEVER needing to have been throttled into implementing their agenda. Most of us recall how he and Kristol and a bunch of Jihadi pals shared the same bath house towel back in the day
Dubya's motto: "Make Saudi Arabia and Iraq Great" (No, he never did have a MAGA agenda, did he? )
As for Kristol, he among countless others has committed sedition and treason. The tradition and historical penalty of which is well known.
Liberator posted on 2017-09-22 11:41:15 Reply Private Reply
#2: Stoner To: Liberator (#1)
Stoner posted on 2017-09-22 12:50:22 Reply Private Reply
#3: Deckard To: Liberator (#1)
Because he dared to post facts about the Deep State's hold on Trump with quotes from the neocons themselves who Matt roundly criticizes?
The deep state neocon/neolib faction has become so successful at shifting the narrative toward irrelevant infighting that no one even notices when their candidate gets into office and does a 180 on damn near every promise they made Trump included.
Doesn't look to me like he is singing their praises. We pretty much knew all along that Trump would cave eventually. The fact that Agorist points this out hardly makes him a Deep State functionary.
Deckard posted on 2017-09-22 13:18:05 Reply Private Reply
#4: Tooconservative To: Deckard (#0)
You know, the Deep State spends a lot of effort pretending to the public that it doesn't exist, right?
Just because Trump said stuff about the Norks and Iran that Bill Kristol (emeritus at Weekly Standard) likes doesn't mean the Deep State has or hasn't done anything. It's more likely that Trump is just listening to McMaster (unfortunately) and Kelly (not quite as bad). Either of them is probably better than anyone that Shitlery would have had on her staff.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-22 13:20:20 Reply Private Reply
#5: Tooconservative To: Liberator (#1)
Sedition laws are mostly defunct outside of some application if someone is hatching a conspiracy to get our military to refuse their orders. Otherwise, sedition has been off the books for a long time.
Treason requires that you actively collaborate with a credible foreign enemy that poses an active danger to national security or that you willfully (or unintentionally) leak or distribute classified information that damages national security.
You can't accuse Kristol of any of that. He speaks against anyone doing any of those things and has for many years.
Maybe you need to find another windmill to tilt at. And read more real books, not conspiracy nutjob sites.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-22 13:25:56 Reply Private Reply
#6: Liberator To: Tooconservative (#5)
"Off the books"? As in Constitutional Laws that are *also* "off the books" because they are simply ignored?
Yes, let's just pretend Sedition" is "mostly defunct" and Treason so technically specific thatKristol is definitely off the hook. BE-CAUSE...you know exactly who he has or hasn't collaborated with, and to what extent -- right?
Treason requires that you actively collaborate with a credible foreign enemy that poses an active danger to national security or that you willfully (or unintentionally) leak or distribute classified information that damages national security.
Lotta leeway in that definition, pardner. But NOT enough to get Kristol, Hitlery, 0bama, Dubya, and countless other members of the NWO Cabal off the hook.
NO. You didn't actually bring up "National Security"??
You're kidding, right? You can hardly afford to lose more credibility...
The number of violations and cases of Sedition AND Treason is clearly off the chart since 911. Some of us recognize the definition of "Sedition" and "Treason" when we see it. OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
Btw -- your brethren hatched a fake "Dossier" on Trump (delivered by McStain himself), illegally wiretapped Trump and his staffers. As just a bowl of chips on the table before the hors d'oeuvres even arrive.
Odd AND interesting that you would defend a Globalist-Firster creep like Kristol, who help mire the USA down into the war in Iraq. (OR maybe NOT.)
Liberator posted on 2017-09-22 14:24:16 Reply Private Reply
#7: Tooconservative To: Liberator, nolu chan (#6)
The Federalists argued that the bills strengthened national security during an undeclared naval war with France. Critics argued that they were primarily an attempt to suppress voters who disagreed with the Federalist party, and violated the right of freedom of speech in the First Amendment.[5] Three of the acts were repealed after the Democratic-Republican party of Thomas Jefferson came to power. But the Alien Enemies Act remained in effect, was revised and codified in 1918 for use in World War I, and was used by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to imprison Japanese, German, and Italian aliens during World War II. Following cessation of hostilities, the act was used by President Harry S. Truman to continue to imprison, then deport, aliens of the formerly hostile nations. In 1948 the Supreme Court determined that presidential powers under the acts continued after cessation of hostilities until there was a peace treaty with the hostile nation. The revised Alien Enemies Act remains in effect today.[when?]
The Naturalization Act increased the residency requirement for American citizenship from five to fourteen years. At the time, the majority of immigrants supported Thomas Jefferson and the Democratic-Republicans, the political opponents of the Federalists.[1] The Alien Friends Act allowed the president to imprison or deport aliens considered "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States" at any time, while the Alien Enemies Act authorized the president to do the same to any male citizen of a hostile nation above the age of fourteen during times of war. Lastly, the controversial Sedition Act restricted speech that was critical of the federal government. Under the Sedition Act, the Federalists allowed people who were accused of violating the sedition laws to use truth as a defense.[6] The Sedition Act resulted in the prosecution and conviction of many Jeffersonian newspaper owners who disagreed with the government.[6]
The acts were denounced by Democratic-Republicans and ultimately helped them to victory in the 1800 election, when Thomas Jefferson defeated the incumbent, President Adams. The Sedition Act and the Alien Friends Act were allowed to expire in 1800 and 1801, respectively. The Alien Enemies Act, however, remains in effect as Chapter 3; Sections 2124 of Title 50 of the United States Code.[7]
I insist it is entirely defunct. You are the one trying to pretend a sedition law is still on the books.
You may as well pretend that the Logan Act is enforceable. And it isn't. Which is why not one person has ever been convicted of a Logan Act violation even if they perhaps should be.
Oh, noes. My reputation at LF is in peril. Whatever shall become of me?
Drama much?
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-22 14:56:35 Reply Private Reply
#8: Liberator To: Tooconservative (#7)
Expected: Parsing words, definitions and meanings; Ignoring the shredding of the US Constitution; Defending the purposeful and obvious obstruction of enforcing the Constitution; AND YES -- searching high and low for loopholes so your Globalist-First and militant Deep State brethren aren't so much associated with obvious and CRYSTAL CLEAR sedition and treason -- as well as many other violations of their respective oaths.
Your loyalty is admirable. As is your own new found drama.
Liberator posted on 2017-09-22 15:11:12 Reply Private Reply
#9: Hondo68 To: Deckard, seen one globalist neocon ya seen em all, NWO (#0)
1) Obama's third term.
2) George W. Bush's fifth term.
3) GHW Bush's eighth term.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-09-22 15:12:42 Reply Private Reply
#10: Tooconservative To: hondo68 (#9)
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-22 15:25:23 Reply Private Reply
#11: Tooconservative To: Liberator (#8)
Copycat much?
I own meh.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-22 15:26:16 Reply Private Reply
#12: Liberator To: Stoner (#2)
Because you understand the dynamics, did the math, and aren't deterred by misdirection or diversions.
It is especially difficult to think outside the box for those who've served in the military, remember John Wayne movies, or been ardent political observers and deem themselves "savvy."
To concede erring and having been bamboozled about the way the Elites play from 911 on causes some consternation about just how many *other* things they are wrong.
Liberator posted on 2017-09-22 19:17:14 Reply Private Reply
#13: Liberator To: Deckard (#3)
No. It's because he advances the notion or premise that Trump "sold out to the Deep State" without considering the degree of coercion or degree to which the USA is now a Puppet State.
It's MORE important for this smug little punk to ridicule a blackmailed President and celebrate how "right" he was of his prediction that a standing President's agenda of MAGA could and would be nullified by a "Deep State."
His priorities are what we should expect these days from such "Truth Tellers": Nothing but narcissism, ego, and victory laps around the corpse.
Moreover, his "TOLD YOU SO" link is just more scapegoating of Trump from someone who just happened to know an awful lot about Trump's intentions a mere 4 days after he was elected.
Free Thought Project' has always played both sides and written about juuuust enough truth to make themselves quite the artists.
The deep state neocon/neolib faction has become so successful at shifting the narrative toward irrelevant infighting that no one even notices when their candidate gets into office and does a 180 on damn near every promise they made Trump included.
What part of "coercion" "blackmail" and "threats" don't you get?
Doesn't look to me like he is singing their praises. We pretty much knew all along that Trump would cave eventually. The fact that Agorist points this out hardly makes him a Deep State functionary.
I'm curious. Just how and why did you and Agorist believe Trump "WOULD CAVE"?
Liberator posted on 2017-09-22 19:33:22 Reply Private Reply
#14: Liberator To: hondo68 (#9)
Liberator posted on 2017-09-22 19:34:54 Reply Private Reply
#15: Liberator To: Tooconservative (#11)
Ok -- THAT wuz funny.
Liberator posted on 2017-09-22 19:35:30 Reply Private Reply
#16: Hondo68 To: Liberator, *Constitution Party*, not a D n R groupie (#14)
Anarchy is a utopian pipe dream like the D&R party. They'll never produce a favorable result.
I'm more likely to vote Constitution Party, or a write-in, but am always on the lookout for pro-American candidates of any party, or none.
Cliven Bundy 2020!
Hondo68 posted on 2017-09-22 20:04:47 Reply Private Reply
#17: Tooconservative To: hondo68, buckeroo, Liberator (#16)
I like buckeroo's dead dog Scruffy a lot more than some dependency-driven Nevadan crypto-Mormon.
He won't give in to the NWO. He's already dead.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-22 21:16:08 Reply Private Reply
#18: nolu chan To: Tooconservative, Liberator, Deckard (#7)
U.S. Const., Art. 3, Sec. 3,
In what way did Kristol levy war against the United States, and what two witnesses have come forward to attest to the same overt act?
Let's not pretend Sedition is mostly defunct, let's clarify precisely what you are referring to.
The Alien and Sedition Laws of 1798 were repealed, and the party that passed them was put to death.
The WW1 Sedition Act (so called) of 1918 (40 Stat. 553, May 16, 1918) was actually an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917 (40 Stat. 217, June 15, 1917). H.J. Res. 382, (41 Stat. 1359, March 3, 1921) declared the emergency over and stated,
The side note to that at 41 Stat. 1360, reads,
The emergency declared over, the provision lost its force. Both versions began Sec. 3 with, "Whoever, when the United States is at war...." The Sedition Act (actually amendment to the Espionage Act) was repealed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act
Alien Registration Act, 1940
Effective June 28, 1940
Public law 76-670
54 Stat. 670
Repealed. June 27, 1952, ch. 477, title IV, § 403(a)(39), 66 Stat. 280, eff. Dec. 24, 1952
8 U.S.C. ch. 10 § 451
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-8/chapter-10/
And for current U.S. Supreme Court precedent,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
For some definitions.
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Ed.
Current law does contain the following on Seditious Conspiracy,
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-18/part-i/chapter-115/
http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2015/title-18/part-i/chapter-115/sec.-2384/
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-22 22:27:45 Reply Private Reply
#19: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#18)
I notice that it is the conspiracy that is the crime, not sedition itself. It seems that private sedition is perfectly legal. : )
I'd like to find a source that can enumerate just how many prosecutions have been made under these laws in the postwar era, particularly since the end of the Cold War.
For instance, you could charge the Bundy clan and their supporters with seditious conspiracy pretty easily under the letter of the law. I don't think they were charged however.
We can look at some notable cases involving attempts to prosecute for seditious conspiracy.
Perez got 90 years but Bill Xlinton gave her clemency in 1999, probably as cover for his taking of a major bribe to pardon fugitive tycoon Mark Rich.
Rahman died in prison in February of 2017, serving his life sentence.
The Hutaree were all released.
The required element of criminal intent here remains conspiracy, not sedition itself.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 07:52:41 Reply Private Reply
#20: sneakypete To: hondo68 (#9)
BLAH,BLAH,MORE MINDLESS BLAH.
You have been playing that same tune ever since he won the nomination.
Hillary lost. Get over it.
sneakypete posted on 2017-09-23 09:21:52 Reply Private Reply
#21: Liberator To: nolu chan, Tooconservative, Deckard (#18)
Some may indeed claim there IS no concrete or definitive application of either "Sedition" or "Treason." Some will also use their own eyes and ears with which to discern whether "Sedition" as well as "Treason" HAS indeed been committed -- and find proper application as any decent attorney could and would.
Like the riddle, "Does a tree in the forest make a sound if no one hears it," so too is, "WAS SEDITION AND TREASON ACTUALLY COMMITTED IF NO ONE INVESTIGATES THEN PROSECUTES IT"??
Frankly, if truly scrutinized to a fingernail's depth as to what has transpired in this so-called "gubmint" and supposed "Constitutional Republic," We'd soon run out of lamp-posts and rope.
Liberator posted on 2017-09-23 11:17:23 Reply Private Reply
#22: Tooconservative To: Liberator (#21)
Really, one of the dumber things you've ever said, as though the two things are remotely comparable.
And, yes, of course a falling tree makes exactly the same sound whether a human being is there to hear it or not.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 12:35:26 Reply Private Reply
#23: Liberator To: Tooconservative (#22)
Thanks for confirming my suspicion :-)
Liberator posted on 2017-09-23 13:07:34 Reply Private Reply
#24: Tooconservative To: Liberator (#23)
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 13:12:20 Reply Private Reply
#25: Liberator To: Tooconservative (#24)
Liberator posted on 2017-09-23 13:31:29 Reply Private Reply
#26: Hondo68 To: sneakypete, *The Two Parties ARE the Same* (#20)
That's the good news. The bad news is that her clone Trump won.
Same horrible foreign policy including regime change in Syria. Same illegal alien DACA "Dream Student" sanctuary.
Debt ceiling raised for more spending. Hillary would have done the same. They both stink!
Hondo68 posted on 2017-09-23 14:22:49 Reply Private Reply
#27: Tooconservative To: hondo68 (#26)
A primary drawback of democracy.
Democracy has never really solved the problem of what to do if "None of the above" is the right choice on a ballot. In a parliamentary democracy, you do at least have a no-confidence vote available but it is seldom used to good effect.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 14:45:21 Reply Private Reply
#28: sneakypete To: hondo68 (#26)
Are you now admitting the other Republican candidates for President would have been worse than Hillary?
sneakypete posted on 2017-09-23 18:14:20 Reply Private Reply
#29: Hondo68 To: sneakypete (#28)
No only equal at worst. Are Jeb!, Lindsey Graham, or Rubio really any better than Hillary?
Hillary's Libyan Freedom Fighters
Hondo68 posted on 2017-09-23 18:47:13 Reply Private Reply
#30: nolu chan To: Liberator, Tooconservative (#21)
Some will look to the Constitution to see if treason has been committed. Some will look to actual laws to see if the archaic form of sedition still exists as a crime. Other will listen to their invisible friends.
If you rely on your ears to discern either treason or sedition, you will be listening forever.
Treason has been well defined since 1789,
U.S. Const., Art. 3, Sec. 3,
Talk is not levying war.
Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969) held that government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."
Seditious conspiracy at 18 U.S.C. 2384 has little to do with the archaic forms of sedition through speech. Saying Trump sucks won't do it. Saying the whole government sucks is equally unavailing.
Post-Brandenburg, government may only punish speech which is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-23 19:39:14 Reply Private Reply
#31: nolu chan To: hondo68, sneakypete (#26)
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2017/09/05/memorandum-rescission-daca
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-23 19:45:31 Reply Private Reply
#32: Hondo68 To: nolu chan, sanctuary Don, Allahu Akbar dreamers, *Border Invasion* (#31)
Continued sanctuary for The Donald's "Dream Students".
Sanctuary Don's Allahu Akbar DACA "Dream Students"
Hondo68 posted on 2017-09-23 20:10:09 Reply Private Reply
#33: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#31)
I regret that they did not carry through but let Trump stall for another six months.
Six months from now, we'll have to go through this again. In an election year, it will not turn out any better, probably worse since the GOP congresscritters will be even more cowardly than usual.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 20:26:32 Reply Private Reply
#34: sneakypete To: hondo68 (#29)
All three of them dream of being able to suck her toes. It's insulting to weasels to call them weasels.
sneakypete posted on 2017-09-23 21:14:57 Reply Private Reply
#35: buckeroo To: Tooconservative (#17)
Its about tyme some people are wising up!
buckeroo posted on 2017-09-23 21:36:40 Reply Private Reply
#36: Tooconservative To: buckeroo (#35)
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 21:43:49 Reply Private Reply
#37: buckeroo To: Tooconservative (#36)
Nope, its more a matter of timelessness, just as the US Constitution was once considered. Now, the US Constitution can be changed by an act of federal law and without US Supreme Court intervention; this is the unspoken RULE of a corrupt government.
buckeroo posted on 2017-09-23 21:54:21 Reply Private Reply
#38: Tooconservative To: buckeroo (#37)
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 22:05:28 Reply Private Reply
#39: A K A Stone To: Tooconservative (#38)
Oh yes Bucky Jr and the poop on the floor. Timeless.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-23 22:09:15 Reply Private Reply
#40: buckeroo To: A K A Stone (#39)
Trump is a snake-oil salesman. And you put him in the White house.
buckeroo posted on 2017-09-23 22:14:18 Reply Private Reply
#41: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#39)
Trump, OTOH, took a big dump on the NFL (twice) and on the NBA. All in one day.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-23 23:35:30 Reply Private Reply
#42: Stoner To: A K A Stone (#39)
I bet $1,000 that it smells like Obama too !!
Stoner posted on 2017-09-24 19:07:52 Reply Private Reply