There is no problem that calling a cop won’t make worse.

Remember: They are not there to “help.” They are there to “bust” people. And cop a feel, when the victim is an attractive woman.

There is no problem that calling a cop won’t make worse.

Next time she gets into a two-car accident with injuries she should call her husband. I'm OK with that.

It is a ticklish situation.

I've thought before that there should be some way to use a short rod or a billyclub to poke/prod the breast area or groin area so that male cops can search a female suspect without actually touching them directly with their hands.

Whether her car was drivable after the accident may be a factor as if it wasn't then she wasn't about to get back into the car to go anywhere.

If another driver struck her car from behind, then there was not probable traffic violation giving the cop

Maybe her car was stopped in the middle of the road because she was so drunk she thought she was at home in her driveway.

Maybe her car was stopped in the middle of the road because she was so drunk she thought she was at home in her driveway.

Unless the cops saw that or had evidence to support such a possibility....

no.

If another driver struck her car from behind, then there was not probable traffic violation giving the cop probable cause to do a sobriety test. Like with the guy who was struck by the fleeing suspect in the Utah nurse case, no probable cause existed for this woman being drunk.

I'm not sure we have enough video of the incident to determine whether the woman behaved erratically enough to give a cop probable cause to suspect impairment.

Like with the guy who was struck by the fleeing suspect in the Utah nurse case, no probable cause existed for this woman being drunk.

Even drunk drivers can get rear-ended by another vehicle. The Idaho truck driver hit head-on by the speeding Utah driver was on fire when he exited his truck and had been hit hard head-on and was massively burned. So there is considerable difference in these things when we try to compare them.

Even drunk drivers can get rear-ended by another vehicle.

Drunk driving or not, probable cause is required, excluding those sobriety checkpoints that are supposed to randomly administered. You don't go testing all drivers at every accident scene for impairment unless there's reason to believe a driver was at fault.

The Idaho truck driver hit head-on by the speeding Utah driver was on fire when he exited his truck and had been hit hard head-on and was massively burned. So there is considerable difference in these things when we try to compare them.

In terms of proper legal cause to test for impairment, no, there's not. Neither was perceived to be at fault in the accidents. The amount of injury is immaterial.

Drunk driving or not, probable cause is required, excluding those sobriety checkpoints that are supposed to randomly administered. You don't go testing all drivers at every accident scene for impairment unless there's reason to believe a driver was at fault.

We didn't see all of her behavior at the accident scene.

I'm not clear on what we're debating here. Are you objecting to any accident victim being observed and possibly tested/arrested for impairment or are you objecting to the slight brush of the woman's breast when the cop was clumsily trying to check her for a weapon concealed between her breasts?

or are you objecting to the slight brush of the woman's breast

Hey! They even let you grab 'em by the pussy!

They even let you grab 'em by the pussy!

The officer should be fired for not doing a weapons search up to his elbow.

It's for officer safety!

Hey! They even let you grab 'em by the pussy!

Only if you're a philandering tycoon. Or if you're Orange Hitler. Or both.

The officer should be fired for not doing a weapons search up to his elbow.

I would have searched her more rigorously.

In terms of proper legal cause to test for impairment, no, there's not. Neither was perceived to be at fault in the accidents. The amount of injury is immaterial.

I think you go a step too far in your reasoning here but I recognize we can disagree.

Dang, that sounds reasonable. Not that I am but I love that it makes me sound that way.

Are you objecting to any accident victim being observed and possibly tested/arrested for impairment

In a nutshell, yes. I question the cops probable cause to administer a sobriety test to this womam who was just in an accident in which she was clearly not at fault. (I am assuming there is no dispute on that point).

She was also clearly injured. She failed the sobriety test but that test was, I contend, administered without reasonable cause. It is not unreasonable for injured people who have just been through a traumatic accident to fail a sobriety test, especially when a burly, armed cop pretty much accuses the accident victim of being drunk, which does have a tendency to making people afraid and angry.

Hopefully you've not forgotten, but in the USA there is supposed to be a 4th Amendment protecting us against unreasonable searches and seizures. Admittedly, that right has been significantly eroded, but it still remains true that a cop cannot stop drivers willy-nilly and conduct searches without probable cause, and a sobriety test is most certainly a search. So if the cop had no reasonable cause to have the woman do the sobriety test, then he had no business arresting her for failing it, in which case everything after that point is immaterial.

Now some may claim her behavior resembled, to the cop, a drunk person. Well, she was, again, not at fault in the accident and clearly injured. While the facts related to her injury is just that -- a matter of fact, it has to be judged by others, but it certainly turned out she had ZERO alcohol in her system. Ergo, the cop was wrong in his assessment, and in hindsight, arrested a completely sober and injured person for being drunk.

So.... no, I won't defend a cop for confusing injury and stress for drunkeness, nor administering a sobriety test to such an injured person for whom there was zero evidence of any traffic violation. This woman, as she said, will not trust cops again, and rightly so.

We don't have a full video.