The term Holy See comes from the Latin Sancta Sedes, meaning “Holy Chair,” and originates from the enthronement ceremony of the Bishop of Rome, the Pope. Strictly speaking, the cathedra, i.e. the chair or throne, represents the position and authority of the Holy Father or a bishop, and the place where he resides in the territory of his jurisdiction. Here the Holy See refers to the “seat of government” of the universal Church. Geographically, this seat of government is located in the Diocese of Rome. In terms of actual governance, the Holy See refers specifically to the position of the Holy Father, who “by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, namely, and as pastor of the entire Church, has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered” (Dogmatic Constitution of the Church, #22), and by extension the Curia, which consists of the Secretariat of State, the Council for Public Affairs of the Church, the Sacred Congregations, tribunals, and other institutions and offices (Code of Canon Law, #360).
The Holy See is also interchangeable with the term “Apostolic See.” The Code of Canon Law provides the following definition: “…The term ‘Apostolic See’ or ‘Holy See’ applies not only to the Roman Pontiff but also to the Secretariat of State, the Council for the Public Affairs of the Church, and other institutions of the Roman Curia, unless the nature of the matter or the context of the words makes the contrary evident” (#361).
The term “see,” from the Latin “sedes,” is actually the technical term for all dioceses and the places of residence for their bishops. For example, Bishop Loverde is the Bishop of the “See of Arlington” and his cathedral of residence is the Cathedral of St. Thomas More, also in Arlington; the cathedral also houses the bishop’s cathedra or throne. Originally, sedes designated the Churches founded by the Apostles, and later limited particularly to the five great patriarchal sees: Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Constantinople; interestingly, to this day, these latter four patriarchs follow the Holy Father in honor.
This understanding and ordering is reflected in the pronouncement of the Popes: For example, Pope Gelasius I (492-496) declared, “Est ergo prima Petri apostoli sedes” (i.e. “Therefore, the first is the seat of the Apostle Peter”). In the Liber Pontificalis of Pope Leo III (795-816), the following prescript is recorded: “Nos sedem apostolicam, quae est caput omnium Dei ecclesiarum judicare non audemus” (“We dare not judge the Apostolic See, which is the head of all the Churches of God”). Clearly, the terms “Holy See” and “Apostolic See” evolved to refer specifically to the authority of the Holy Father and Rome.
Interestingly, each February 22, the Church celebrates the Feast of the Chair of St. Peter. To celebrate the feast of a “chair” at first hearing, sounds strange. However, “the chair” refers to the primacy and authority our Lord entrusted to St. Peter, which together are a unifying strength for the whole Church; so, really the “Holy See” is what is celebrated and honored. This primacy and authority are symbolized by the monument of the chair of St. Peter located against the wall of the apse behind the main altar in St. Peter’s basilica sculpted in bronze by the artist Bernini; the sculpture is a reliquary for what is traditionally believed to have been the original chair or cathedra of St. Peter. Again, what is of importance is not so much the actual chair, but what that chair symbolizes– the Holy See.
#1: A K A Stone To: All (#0)
Is that in the Bible or is it made up?
A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-13 23:00:48 Reply Private Reply
#2: A K A Stone To: All (#1)
Where did Jesus say he would have a sinner be personal representative on earth?
A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-13 23:03:13 Reply Private Reply
#3: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#0)
I suggest you read about the five major ancient sees, co-equal but with the bishop of Rome considered the first among equals, a tiebreaker, the person who spoke for the Church in matters of state involving the emperor in Rome as the secular head of state, etc.
Wiki: Pentarchy.
Try reading that historical sketch and then ask if this article does even the slightest justice to the history involved. Of course, this has been a constant source of complaints from the Orthodox and other non-Roman churches in their sphere. They don't resent the pope as first among equals and the arbiter of doctrine and the ruler of the Vatican; they resent him pretending they don't exist and that the role of the other sees is completely ignored by Rome.
And this papal supremacy is especially hard to swallow coming from Pope Frank the Hippie Pope with his stylish Che Guevara crucifix.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-09-13 23:07:17 Reply Private Reply
#4: Hondo68 To: A K A Stone (#0)
There are two popes, so take your pick for the holy see.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-09-14 00:02:14 Reply Private Reply
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IbJensen posted on 2017-09-14 11:21:41 Reply Private Reply
#6: Liberator To: A K A Stone (#1)
IOW, everything BUT the Gospel.
For all who want a really good explanation, Berean Call Founder Dave Hunt will explain in his riveting take down of this masquerade:
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/august-2004-audio-newsletter
Liberator posted on 2017-09-14 11:45:08 Reply Private Reply
#7: A K A Stone To: vicomte13 (#0)
Can you shed more light?
A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-14 19:06:36 Reply Private Reply
#8: nolu chan To: A K A Stone (#7)
The Holy See is the government of the Vatican City State which effectively operates as a sovereignty, sending and receiving diplomatic personnel. It is a somewhat nebulous official status. The city state operates as a monarchy, with the Pope as the monarch. Diplomatics are sent and received by the Holy See, not the Pope. International matters of State are done in the name of the Holy See.
Perhaps it may be described as wearing two hats, as Pope, Francis is the head of the church, but Francis also serves a different function as head of the government, the Holy See. As commander in chief, the President of the United States is the civilian head of the U.S. Armed Forces, not the people or the government.
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3819.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_the_Holy_See
http://www.vaticanstate.va/content/vaticanstate/en.html
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-14 20:18:51 Reply Private Reply
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Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-14 20:29:53 Reply Private Reply
#10: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#9)
Cannot you defend your faith?
Are you afraid you will learn something different and have to make a decision.
Here is a quote from that book you consider full of errors and lies.
“But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:”
A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-14 21:22:48 Reply Private Reply
#11: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#10)
You have quite a cheering squad going for your Catholic baiting. I'm not interested in providing entertainment, like some sort of baited bear.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-14 21:47:52 Reply Private Reply
#12: buckeroo To: A K A Stone (#10)
Don't misunderstand my interest in your post as I am not defending you or criticizing other than to understand your 15th century usage of English that is an exemplified just above.
Are you trying to play a Christian preacher when you use English in that manner that is identified?
buckeroo posted on 2017-09-14 22:46:09 Reply Private Reply
#13: Hondo68 To: Vicomte13 (#11)
You're a prot troll, no Catholic worships ignorance THAT much, since Ted Kennedy passed away!
Hondo68 posted on 2017-09-14 23:00:16 Reply Private Reply
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A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-15 00:57:18 Reply Private Reply
#15: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#11)
I'm going to keep showing you over and over that the catholic doctrine is contrary to gods word. It nay upset you and you may bitch and moan but I will keep coming at you until you refute me or agree.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-15 01:02:41 Reply Private Reply
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A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-15 08:19:47 Reply Private Reply
#17: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#16)
I already did answer it: I said that I would be discussing religion on the Economics of God thread, and that I would not be reacting to your baiting.
Your style of evangelism-by-insult reminds me of the Taliban.
Thing is, I know my God. I have talked to him. He has saved me from death and disaster many times. He's real and he helps me, so I stick with him.
Your god, and the Taliban's god, are nothing but abstractions, presented to me by wild-eyed, angry and bigoted men. There's no discussion with either of you of anything real. It's your way or the highway. I choose the highway, because I don't see or sense any real god behind either of you. I'll stick with my God and his family.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-15 08:38:25 Reply Private Reply
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A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-15 17:29:17 Reply Private Reply
#19: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#18)
To reveal the Economics of God, and give good recipes for scrambled eggs, of course.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-15 17:59:45 Reply Private Reply