The Rude Pundit
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9/05/2017
Random Observations on This Fresh Wanton DACA Fuckery
1. Attorney General Jeff Sessions was practically giddy at the chance to sub for his cowardly Trumpmaster in this moment, and he was almost giggling when he read his pissy little statement that took a jackhammer to the ground underneath the feet of millions of people, many of them Americans (yeah, some of those Dreamers had kids). Like a malicious elf that just got done jacking off in the cookie cream, Sessions kept suppressing a smirk as he announced that President Tangerine Nightmare was rescinding the executive order that established the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.
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#1: nolu chan To: All (#0)
This bullshit about an Executive Order is everywhere. See DACA for Dummies,
It was not really an Executive Order. President Obama made a policy statement delivered in the Rose Garden that immigration action would be deferred by priority and the DACA people would always have the lowest priority, i.e., it would never happen. (Not exactly the way it was put.) The President did not implement the policy with an Executive Order, the DHS Secretary did that with a memo.
The Department of Homeland Security implemented the policy by memorandum of June 15, 2012 issued by Janet Napolitano, "Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals; Who Came to the United States as Children."
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/06/15/remarks-president-immigration
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https://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s1-exercising-prosecutorial-discretion-individuals-who-came-to-us-as-children.pdf
Exercising Prosecutorial Discretion with Respect to Individuals; Who Came to the United States as Children
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-08 01:52:16 Reply Private Reply
#2: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#0)
Therefore they are enemies.
Therefore they should be driven out of the country without mercy.
The more Democrats that you imprison on felony charges (thereby stripping them of the right to vote), drive out of the country as aliens, shoot as rioters, and catch perpetrating voter fraud through mandatory ID and shutting down "motor voter", the fewer Democrat politicians in government, and the less general fuckery from government.
Then you're left with Republican-run government, which is basically inert and useless on anything you care about, but very actively and aggressively promoting the interests of the super-rich.
So, you cut the Democrat base down by stopping illegal voting, throwing them out of the country, or having the police shoot them.
And you're left facing a crony capitalist Republcan Establishment, which will either start representing the people or has such a small real support base that they can be thrown off in a revolution and lined up en masse against the wall and shot.
Wipe both sides out and start over. Or just live with the crap we've got forever.
Because one thing's for sure - these two parties are never going to reform and never going to change.
So either mentally prepare to submit to them and forget politics, or mentally prepare to kill them all like roaches. Because you're certainly never going to actually get the government you want from either of THESE bands of parasites.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-08 06:37:45 Reply Private Reply
#3: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#2)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-09-08 06:45:36 Reply Private Reply
#4: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#3)
Depends on the day.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-08 06:47:21 Reply Private Reply
#5: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#3)
No, Stone, the heart of a satirist. I already said in these threads what I really think should happen: the cops involved should admit their wrongdoing, admit they abused their power, admit they don't HAVE the power to do what they did, and if they do that, they should be shown mercy.
That's my actual view: once the error is admitted and not defended, show clemency.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-08 07:38:16 Reply Private Reply
#6: Vicomte13 To: All (#5)
But when people double down in defense of error, treat them exactly the way the cops treat people who resist arrest: break them.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-08 09:47:15 Reply Private Reply
#7: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#0)
But the Dreamers care being portrayed by the MSM as helpless and innocent children who came here involuntarily.
The fact is, the average age of Dreamers is 25. Their average age.
misterwhite posted on 2017-09-08 10:07:18 Reply Private Reply
#8: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#1)
He did something similar with our federal marijuana laws. That should be a Congressional decision also.
misterwhite posted on 2017-09-08 10:13:15 Reply Private Reply
#9: nolu chan To: misterwhite, Vicomte13 (#7)
They could all be Irish Republicans and it would not matter. There are no Dreamers. The Dream Act failed in Congress every time it was tried. There are illegal alien pretenders.
Oh heck, read the memo, and the criteria:
Because, you see, chilluns who came here under the age of sixteen know only this country as home. How does it come to pass that a yute who leaves Mexico at fifteen never knew anyplace but the United States as home?
What I really do not understand is why so many of these yutes, who have never known anywhere but the United States as home, defecate and urinate upon the American flag, and love to wave the Mexican flag around.
And the last part of the implementing memorandum,
As DACA conferred NO SUBSTANTIVE RIGHT or immigration status to anyone, taking away DACA will take away NO substantive right or immigration status from anyone.
As only the Congress, through its legislative authority, can confer such rights, and it has not done so, such rights do not exist. So called Dreamers dream about Congress passing a Dream Act, not about a non-existent post-passage paradise.
As illegal aliens, with no municipal status whatever, they are entitled to very few rights. Essentially, they are entitled to basic human rights.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/149/698/case.html
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-08 14:52:48 Reply Private Reply
#10: nolu chan To: misterwhite (#8)
Technically, Obi-wan simply used the Rose Garden to tell the press that "[t]his morning, Secretary Napolitano announced new actions my administration will take to mend our nations immigration policy...." It was Janet Napolitano who announced the new immigration policy.
Without a substantive change to the 14th Amendment or naturalization law, illegal aliens can never qualify to become citizens, as they share a similar impediment as that of freed Blacks of the 1860's.
Naturalization is restricted to aliens, lawfully present in the United States. The freed Blacks were not aliens. They were persons, born in the United States (or future children would be), and subject to its jurisdiction. The 14th Amendment was curative. The illegal aliens are not lawfully present in the United States. Staying here does not change their immigration status. They remain not lawfully present and ineligible for naturalization. Obi-wan lacked the authority to change naturalization law.
Trump was 100% correct that the only current path to citizenship is to leave the country and return legally.
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-08 14:54:32 Reply Private Reply
#11: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#9)
Let's put America first.
misterwhite posted on 2017-09-08 16:19:55 Reply Private Reply
#12: Vicomte13 To: misterwhite (#11)
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-09-08 19:03:02 Reply Private Reply
#13: nolu chan To: Vicomte13, misterwhite (#12)
nolu chan posted on 2017-09-08 19:42:02 Reply Private Reply