I read more detail on the exchange on 4um.

That's a cop who needs to be a ex-cop ASAP.

I read more detail on the exchange on 4um.

Yeah... I usually try to clean-up the html code before posting an article... but the Salt Lake Tribune had so much extra crap buried in the code that I just didn't have the emotional energy to cope with it today... so I just posted a short excerpt.

It's a good case study of when a cop makes an arrest based on frustration and emotion rather than the law, and it's an arrest that makes the case of unjust police brutality. It's one thing to do this to someone walking down the street who does not obey a cop's command, whether just or unjust. Quite another to do it to an emergency medical worker who is just trying to do HER job. I expect the cop and police department will have a much, much harder time wiggling out of this one, especially when the guy the cop wanted blood from was not the guy who the police were pursuing.

I can only wonder what was going through the heads of the other cops present as this was going down.

Yeah... I'm normally on the side of law enforcement, but this violation is so flagrant, I can't imagine what the cop thought he was doing..

"Video shows Utah nurse screaming, being dragged into police car after refusing to let officer take blood from unconscious victim

What's going on here? The other article said, "Nurse screams for help as she is arrested for saying she can't draw blood from unconscious patient"

The officer was certified to draw blood. The law says he can draw blood from the driver of any vehicle. She interfered and wouldn't allow him to do his duty. She was arrested.

What's the fucking problem here people?

Quite another to do it to an emergency medical worker who is just trying to do HER job.

What was HER job that she was trying to do?

Hospital policy says that SHE can't draw blood. No one was forcing her to draw blood. She interfered with a police officer who WAS authorized to draw blood. She was arrested for interfering with a police officer, and I doubt that interfering with a police officer was HER job.

What's the fucking problem here people?

The fucking problem is readily apparent, but you love cops so much that you can never see them doing anything wrong, ever.

It's not an exaggeration to say that if a cop went into a school and gunned down a classroom full of first graders, you'd argue it was justified.

The fucking problem is readily apparent

Yep. Ignorant posters like yourself. The law is on his side and you refuse to admit it. And when I point out your ignorance, you accuse me of justifying the execution of first graders.

You are one sick fuck.

You are one sick fuck.

Well, it seems that is your way of admitting defeat.

Thanks for playing. It was indeed entertaining.

Porter, however, said “implied consent” has not been the law in Utah since 2007, and the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 2016 that the Constitution permits warrantless breath tests in drunken-driving arrests, but not warrantless blood tests. She stressed that the patient was always considered the victim in the case and never was suspected of wrongdoing.

Ever occur to you that if the cop had implied consent to draw blood, that a warrant or consent would be a needlessly redundant requirement?

And the line about the draw being to protect the victim is, of course, complete hogwash, as it could only be used against him, not in favor of him.

It may also interest you to know about the accident victim:

Payne’s report identifies him as 43-year-old William Gray, a reserve officer in the Rigby, Idaho, Police Department, who suffered burns during a July 26 crash in Cache County.

Gray is a truck driver when he is not serving as a reserve police officer, according to the Idaho State Journal.

He's one of your guys.

Porter, however, said “implied consent” has not been the law in Utah since 2007,

Porter is wrong. Read the law yourself:

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title41/Chapter6A/41-6a-S520.html?v=C41-6a 6a-S520_1800010118000101

"Ever occur to you that if the cop had implied consent to draw blood, that a warrant or consent would be a needlessly redundant requirement?"

Yes it would be.

it does not necessarily mean the arrest was anywhere close to being warranted or justified.

She was obstructing. Of course it was justified.

I did read that the police are undergoing more training as a result of this incident. And it's plainly clear that at least in the court of public opinion, the cop is being severely slammed for his actions. I guess you don't care about whether cops relate well to the general public, but I guess that's a good thing for you as in any contest between medical personnel in the business of saving lives and cops doing their "duty", public opinion will go to medical people every time.

but it does not appear to place any obligation on medical staff.

Other than get out of the way.

"public opinion will go to medical people every time."

Especially when that public opinion is formed after reading misleading and inaccurate articles such as the above.

You would have gassed Jews if told to do so. That is a fact.

Even without being told to do so, right?

Especially when that public opinion is formed after reading misleading and inaccurate articles such as the above.

The article may or may not be accurate, but no.

People are generally much more influenced by emotion than they are facts. Give them a logical or factual reason why they should do something, and they will respond only marginally at best. Give them an emotional reason, and they will respond in force.

And the cops own cam recording awards the win on emotional basis completely to the nurse.

Police departments are supposedly serving the public, and to do that, they really do need the public trust, and events like the one recorded of a nurse who is arrested simply for doing her job the best she knows how, does everything to destroy that public trust, and absolutely nothing to build it up.

This happened over a month ago. It does seem no charges have been filed against the nurse, and the nurse has not filed any suit against the officer or department. The cop in question has been reassigned to duties that do not involve this type of medical work, and cops have received additional training as a result of the incident.

At present, I continue to maintain that this cop should not be a cop, that the event shows a cop simply acting out of emotion to wield authority against a person doing her best to do her job the right way. And anyone such as yourself that feels this was the right way for the cop to proceed is freaking loony.

Cop boy needs to reap what he sows.

Cop boy was operating within the law. People are pissed because he wasn't kind and gentle and oh so understanding.

F**k 'em.

Cop boy was operating within the law.

Baloney... he didn't have a warrant to take the blood sample...

Give the cops a vampire kit, and they think they're Dracula!

SLC mayor, police chief apologize for officer who arrested nurse; criminal investigation to follow

Police department places two officer on leave as internal investigation continues.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/09/01/salt-lake-city-police-apologize- for-officer-handcuffing-nurse-who-refused-blood-draw-of-unconscious-patient/"