
Yesterday the jury in the trial of four men accused of offenses related to a standoff near the Bundy ranch in Bunkerville, Nevada sent a resounding message to prosecutors and the judge in the case by returning absolutely no Guilty verdicts.
Instead, jurors found Ricky Lovelien and Steven Stewart Not Guilty of all 10 charges against them. Jurors found Scott Drexler and Eric Parker Not Guilty of most charges against them, with the jury undecided on four charges against Parker and two charges against Drexler.
There was not a dry eye in the room, except the prosecutors, who were steaming mad, and the judges. I was literally bawling my eyes out, said FIJA Advisory Board member Dr. Roger Roots, who was in the courtroom when the verdicts were delivered.
This is the second trial for all the defendants. They cannot be retried on those charges for which jurors delivered Not Guilty verdicts. However, they can be retried on any charges for which jurors failed to reach a verdict. It is not clear yet whether the prosecution will continue jury shopping in order to find jurors who will convict.
Demonstrators were publicly visible outside the courthouse in recent weeks, including several who educated the general public about jurors right of conscientious acquittal by jury nullification. While FIJA previously pointed out that the Malheur Refuge occupation acquittals were probably not the result of jury nullification, we have been keeping an eye on other related trials, such as this one, for potential conscientious acquittals.
According to Dr. Roots, This was almost certainly jury nullification. I see no other realistic interpretation. I say that because the defense pretty much did not put on a case, and in fact, were not allowed to put on a case.
Among other things, the judge forbade the defense from many lines of inquiry including
● how well-armed Bureau of Land Management (BLM) agents were or how frightened defendants were of a potential attack,
● any mention of bullying or physically violent behavior of BLM agents leading up to the protest (though the prosecution was allowed to bring up things that happened months beforehand),
● any reference whatsoever to Constitutional First or Second Amendment rights, and
● any testimony from five prospective defense witnesses, whose testimony Judge Navarro pre-screened outside the presence of the jury and ultimately rejected.
Navarro cut off defendant Eric Parker mid-testimony, and she kicked him off the stand for supposedly breaking the rules she laid down. At the time he was cut off, he was rebutting a statement made by a prosecution witness claiming that he looked in a particular direction. That testimony was allowed, but Parker was not allowed to testify that he looked up and to the right. After Not only that statement, but his entire testimony was stricken from the record. Jurors were ordered to disregard all of his testimony, leaving him completely voiceless in his own defense.
Defense attorney Jess Marchese confirmed after speaking with jurors that the treatment of the defense factored into their decisions.
The courts restrictive limitations on the defense were overtly aimed at stopping jury nullification, and yet the irony is that they absolutely fueled it, Roots said.
#1: Hondo68 To: Deckard, Trumps Fake News DOJ, smackdown, *Bill of Rights-Constitution* (#0)
The jury determined that Trump's federal prosecutors failed to provide a coherent accounting of any crimes, and the judge did not allow the accused to testify in their own behalf, or their attorneys to adequately question their accusers, so they refused to find the defendants guilty.
Smackdown for the statist Jeff Sessions/Trump DOJ, and Harry Reid/Obama's lying, cattle rustling BLM goons, and their murdering FBI/LEO hit squad accomplices!
The jury has helped to Make America Great Again, by rejecting blind worship of the corrupt police state, and protecting the God given inalienable civil rights of these falsely accused citizens.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-08-24 07:48:58 Reply Private Reply
#2: sneakypete To: hondo68 (#1)
Gee,Trump was President when the Bundy Ranch was shut down and surrounded by armed feral agents?
Who knew?
You are turning into a real Drama Queen,Hondo.
sneakypete posted on 2017-08-24 09:23:22 Reply Private Reply
#3: Hondo68 To: sneakypete (#2)
I said nothing of the kind. Donald Trump IS president now, and his Jeff Sessions DOJ was in charge of prosecuting the case in a Federal court. The federal prosecutors could have asked for the case to be dismissed, they did not. Or they could have worked towards making it a fair trial, but they did not.
They might even have gotten some convictions, by convincing the jury that they were being presented with all the facts, and that the defendants were getting a fair trial.
They chose instead to go along with the kangaroo court judge, and lost.
So yes, Trump was involved, and is also involved in upcoming cases against people with the name Bundy.
Is it too much to ask that they get a fair trial?
Hondo68 posted on 2017-08-24 13:28:20 Reply Private Reply
#4: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#1)
Those claims are false. The witnesses were limited and certain areas were out of bounds. A witness took the stand and almost immediately engaged in prohibited testimony. That is when the judge shut him down and struck his testimony.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-24 19:37:44 Reply Private Reply
#5: Hondo68 To: nolu chan (#4)
Witness were not allowed to testify in their own behalf. Yes, that's correct.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-08-24 19:57:09 Reply Private Reply
#6: buckeroo To: nolu chan, hondo68 (#4)
Hondo has you nailed, pal. The witnesses were not allowed to testify based on their perception of reality or, in other words, their own behalf. Hence, the jury issued the verdicts which caused BACKFIRE against the police-state judge.
You lose.
buckeroo posted on 2017-08-24 20:02:24 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#5)
Just because you are ignorant of the law, and proud of it, does not make you right.
The defendants were not prevented from testifying. Like all witnesses, they cannot give speeches and inject hearsay. If instead of answering his attorney's question, the defendant chooses to deliberately speechify directly contrary to the court's instructions, as given to him by his attorney, he is removed from the stand, as is any witness who refuses to abide by the rules.
The first objection came 20 mintues after Eric Parker took the stand and began testifying.
Eric Parker violated the rules three times before he was removed from the stand and his testimony was struck. That was somewhere near an hour into testimony, not counting the lunch break.
Defense counsel said, We were trying to abide by the courts order. And he added, The government objected, the court granted it, and I respect her ruling.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-24 22:45:06 Reply Private Reply
#8: buckeroo To: nolu chan (#7)
As a defendant of and about the federal charge of "crimes against the state," why didn't he have constitutional rights & privilege to defend himself in publick?
buckeroo posted on 2017-08-24 23:51:04 Reply Private Reply
#9: nolu chan To: buckeroo (#8)
Assumes facts not based on evidence or reality.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-25 16:25:36 Reply Private Reply
#10: Hondo68 To: nolu chan, fearful kangaroos (#9)
The jury ain't buying your and Judge Judy's cock 'n bull story, and they declined to find any of the defendants guilty of any of the phony charges.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-08-25 17:34:47 Reply Private Reply
#11: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#10)
Only a demented moron will believe that somebody who testified for about an hour was denied his constitutional right to testify. Ignorance is bliss, unless you take your ignorance to court.
My "Judge Judy" information is not from a yellow bullshit propaganda organization such as Fully Informed Juror Association (FIJA). A witness who tries their prohibited bullshit in a Federal court gets removed from the stand and gets his testimony struck, and he gets led away to a holding cell. A lawyer trying to pull their nonsense in court gets sanctioned.
The judge decides what would be prohibited as arguing jury nullification. If you argue it in violation of the judge's order, you get shut down. He's lucky the judge did not declare another mistrial and more.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/courts/judge-cuts-defendants-testimony-short-in-bunkerville-retrial/
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2017/08/10/bundy-retrial-drama-judge-scolds-defendant-orders-him-off-stand/558082001/
US v Kleinman, 14-50585 (9th Cir, 16 Jun 2017)
At 3,
At 16:
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-25 19:38:39 Reply Private Reply
#12: Hondo68 To: nolu chan, Fully Informed Juror Association, not guilty (#11)
You and Judge Judy are losers, accept it and move on to your next attack on duly sworn & fully informed juries, and the rule of law.
Your spam bombs will not change the jury verdict, loser.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-08-25 21:52:45 Reply Private Reply
#13: buckeroo To: hondo68, nolu chan (#12)
Ouch! Mr.Chan s/b embarrassed.
buckeroo posted on 2017-08-25 22:51:17 Reply Private Reply
#14: nolu chan To: hondo68 (#12)
Your silly, uninformed bullshit does not change the fact that your claim in #1, " the judge did not allow the accused to testify in their own behalf," remains complete, proven horse shit. The guy who was removed from the stand, Eric Parker, testified for nearly an hour and was finally removed from the stand when he violated the rules of the Court for the third time.
My relevant information did not change the jury verdict. Eric Parker remains charged with four counts. Perhaps you did not read that far.
And Dr. Roots and his FIJA argument was slapped down by the 9th Circuit in June 2017.
As the Court in Kleinman stated at 20-21,
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/bundy-trial-nevada-verdict.html
[Excerpt]
Parker, the one who was removed from the stand for repeatedly violating the rules of the Court, still faces FOUR CHARGES.
And while you seem incapable of reading court opinions, the one I provided, Kleinman, featured an amicus brief by Roger I. Roots, Livingston, Montana, for Amicus Curiae Fully Informed Jury Association. That is the same Dr. Roots who is quoted in the thread article.
Your nonsense will not change the status of jury nullification. You cannot argue jury nullification in court.
You and Eric Parker can feel like real winners. Eric Parker is ordered to report for another trial on September 25, 2017.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-25 23:44:52 Reply Private Reply
#15: buckeroo To: nolu chan (#14)
The government just can't fuck off, can they?
buckeroo posted on 2017-08-25 23:48:38 Reply Private Reply
#16: Hondo68 To: buckeroo (#15)
Attorney General Jeff Sessions must be under orders from Presidents Ivanka & Chelsea to, get whitey.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-08-26 00:17:50 Reply Private Reply
#17: nolu chan To: buckeroo (#15)
Fuck with the Feds, they fuck with you, only more so. When you concede defeat, there's always Belize.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-26 00:40:18 Reply Private Reply
#18: Deckard To: hondo68, nolu spam (#12)
Telling jurors about jury nullification is not illegal. ... Neither is telling jurors in court about jury nullification necessarily illegal either. Whether or not to permit such discussion is largely at the discretion of the judge, and while it is unusual for judges to do so, it does happen.
Is Jury Nullification Legal?
Yes, jury nullification is legal in the United States and many other countries as well. The rest of this section will discuss only the details with respect to the United States.
In the United States, it is illegal for a judge to direct a jury that it must deliver a Guilty verdict, jurors cannot be punished for their verdicts whatever their reasons may be, and a jurys verdict of Not Guilty cannot be overturned.
Confusion over whether or not jury nullification is legal often comes from prosecutors, judges, and other detractors who wish to discourage its use. They will often strongly imply or outright falsely stateeven in the instructions to the jurythat there is no such thing as valid jury nullification or that to engage in jury nullification would constitute a violation of the jurors oath.
Deckard posted on 2017-08-26 01:30:27 Reply Private Reply
#19: Deckard To: nolu chan (#17)
Is that why assholes like you worship them?
Eat a buffet of dicks fed.gov crotch-sniffer.
Deckard posted on 2017-08-26 01:32:10 Reply Private Reply
#20: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#19)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-08-26 06:47:19 Reply Private Reply
#21: sneakypete To: Deckard (#0)
The next move is the should start working on the pols to get that judge removed from the bench.
sneakypete posted on 2017-08-26 10:03:13 Reply Private Reply
#22: sneakypete To: hondo68 (#1)
Trump wasn't president when this started,shithead. Bathhouse Barry Obomber was president.
Since Trump lives in your head,where there is no doubt plenty of room,do you charge him rent?
If so,who counts the money for you?
sneakypete posted on 2017-08-26 10:05:08 Reply Private Reply
#23: sneakypete To: buckeroo (#15)
They can afford to try him 100 times if they want. After all,they are using public money to do it.
Eventually the defendants will run out of money to put up a defense,and they will be convicted after being bankrupted.
Big Massa Goobermint does NOT like losing.
sneakypete posted on 2017-08-26 10:09:59 Reply Private Reply
#24: Hondo68 To: sneakypete (#22)
Hondo68 posted on 2017-08-26 11:52:26 Reply Private Reply
#25: nolu chan To: Deckard (#18)
Jury nullification is legal. Telling jurors or prospective jurors about is not. Telling jurors about it from the witness stand gets you takne off the stand, gets your testimony struck, and may get you prosecuted. A lawyer doing so in azrgument may face sanctions, including disbarment.
Ignorance is not bliss in the courtroom.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-26 18:59:13 Reply Private Reply
#26: nolu chan To: Deckard (#19)
If you want to be ignorant enough to be an asshole with a judge, or encourage others to do so, you may expect to be wearing your shorts around your ankles.
It is your choice. You seem to enjoy anal.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-26 19:01:30 Reply Private Reply
#27: sneakypete To: hondo68 (#24)
The dumbfuck is the shithead that thinks the president chooses who goes on trial for what.
Know anybody like that,bubba?
sneakypete posted on 2017-08-28 20:04:32 Reply Private Reply