Jefferson Memorial update will acknowledge slave owner record
Aug 21st 2017 1:52PM
Thomas Jeffersons memorial on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. is getting an update to include that he was a slave owner.
The Trust for the National Mall, which is dedicated to restoring, improving and preserving the National Mall, said they will update the third presidents exhibit amid a national debate on the status of over 1,500 Confederate monuments following the Charlottesville tragedy concerning a statue of Robert E. Lee.
#1: Hank Rearden To: nolu chan (#0)
Hank Rearden posted on 2017-08-22 20:51:40 Reply Private Reply
#2: rlk To: nolu chan (#0)
That ought to be suffcient to provoke a leftist demand for its destruction within the present climate of hysteria. Good thinking!
rlk posted on 2017-08-22 21:42:06 Reply Private Reply
#3: nolu chan To: rlk (#2)
I saw a talking head today voice approval for the Jefferson plaque on the basis that more information is always good. To show my sympathy for the cause of providing extra truthful information at memorials, I supportively offer the proposal that a plaque may be in order at the memorial to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to show that,
Perhaps in addition to a plaque entry, there could be an audio listening area of the FBI tapes with the married minister bumping uglies in various motel rooms.
And there is the end of the I Have a Dream speech, vaguely similar to a prior oration of Archibald Carey:
And they might as well note that the tune of My Country Tis of Thee is the British national anthem, God Save the Queen, or King as it may be.
SOURCE:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/magazine/what-an-uncensored-letter-to-mlk-reveals.html
http://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2407403/Sex-tapes-FBI-smears-double-life-human-saint-The-Martin-Luther-King-story.html
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-22 22:00:44 Reply Private Reply
#4: rlk To: nolu chan (#3)
Sometimes two at a time.
rlk posted on 2017-08-22 22:29:59 Reply Private Reply
#5: nolu chan To: rlk (#4)
Not what you meant, but I can provide another for the thoughtful critic who observed that more information is better.
Perhaps the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln (9 volumes, including the Index volume) could be made available at the Lincoln Memorial. It is considered the gold standard for authentic Lincoln quotes. Also, the Papers of Abraham Lincoln about the Matson case where Lincoln represented a slave owner seeking the return of his slaves.
http://www.papersofabrahamlincoln.org/Briefs/briefs47.htm
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Lincoln positively said the damnedest things. The elision of the N-word is mine, and not in the original.
CW = Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Roy P Basler, Editor, Rutgers University Press (1953). Volume and page number are indicated. Links go to an online copy but I drew the quotes from my hardcover book copy of the 9-volume edition of the Collected Works.
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If emancipation were to produce a greater evil, even to the cause of human liberty itself, what was that evil thing? Amalgamation.
CW 2:130
Abraham Lincoln
July 6, 1852
HONORS TO HENRY CLAY
What exactly is this thing Lincoln called "the White Man's Charter of Freedom?" Was that what the declaration that all men are created free and equal was?
CW 2:130
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CW 2:276
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From the famous Last Best Hope of Earth Speech,
Annual Message to Congress
December 1, 1862
CW 5:534-35
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CW 5:537
And really, the people should know that when Lincoln spoke of the Last Best Hope of Earth, he spoke of Gradual Emancipation and Deportation. They deserve and need context to acquire the full flavor of Lincoln. Many may not automatically appreciate that Lincoln spoke of freeing slaves in the South that the North could refuse to accept.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-22 22:51:12 Reply Private Reply
#6: TheFireBert To: AOL@AOL, nolu chan, forum SJWs (#0)
All but four of the presidents before Lincoln and both of the presidents after him owned or inherited slaves. (12 out of 18, I believe)
Should we revise all historical monuments in the USA to include all of the dirty details of history just so some SJWs will be able to sleep better in their onesie or romper at night?
Maybe they should start chiseling away at Mt Rushmore while they are at it...
TheFireBert posted on 2017-08-22 23:21:19 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: TheFireBert (#6)
I was illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Using SJW logic, many memorials and much of our history would have to be erased. Some non-slave owners found other ways to run afoul of SJW standards.
Oh, and read how Lincoln either rented 14-year old Ruth Burns, later Stanton, who was either a slave or an indentured servant. And Mary Todd Lincoln is famous for saying, "One thing is for certain; if Mr. Lincoln should happen to die, his spirit will never find me living outside the boundaries of a slave state."
http://www.abrahamlincolnassociation.org/Newsletters/3-3.pdf
For the People
Volume 3, Number 3
Autumn 2001
Springfield, Illinois
Did the Lincoln Family Employ a Slave in 1849-1850?
by Allen C. Guelzo
The link goes to the Abraham Lincoln Association. The author is a professor of the civil war era and has published numerous books about Lincoln.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_C._Guelzo
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-23 00:26:19 Reply Private Reply
#8: Pinguinite To: TheFireBert (#6)
That begs the question... are there any statues of Martin Luther King around? I understand his personal life was somewhat short of sainthood quality.
Pinguinite posted on 2017-08-23 01:35:27 Reply Private Reply
#9: Tooconservative To: nolu chan (#3)
That's mighty white of you. Thanks for contributing to our national dialog on honesty about race. : )
Tooconservative posted on 2017-08-23 06:52:28 Reply Private Reply
#10: Tooconservative To: Pinguinite, nolu chan (#8)
They put one up on the Mall in D.C., privately funded some years back.
Wiki: Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial
Created by a Chinese sculptor with Chinese laborers (who didn't get paid) and from Chinese stone quarried under inhumane conditions, there were many complaints that the laborers were exploited and that American labor and American stone should have been used. The Chinese sculptor had a career of producing Mao Tse Tung statues for the Chinese commies and many people think that this MLK statue looks a lot like Mao.
There were complaints that the King family tried to get big payoffs from the memorial fund to use his words and likeness. Sounds like they made a million or more but I have no exact numbers or good reporting.
And it does look more like Mao than MLK to me.
USAtoday: MLK Jr. memorial confronts controversy, 2011
Tooconservative posted on 2017-08-23 07:00:59 Reply Private Reply