more like MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) if demon-possessed Mr. Un decides to attack us tommorow.

Your psychic powers are a huge threat to Dear Leader, you'll be the prime target.

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Any thoughts anyone?

You obviously suffer from lack of sleep

Any thoughts anyone?

I have some thoughts. There are a lot of people in this country who have there head in rectal recluse. The whole world is in such a shape that anything could happen. The eclipse could just give more cover for it to happen.

I think there's a rule here at LF: only one prophet per thread. I'll check with Stone.

But lets talk about who is a great threat to our nation, how about it. Actually, there are 2 or 3 things, but let's talk about Ron Paul who BTW hails from my neck of the woods, and we are close acqaintances. Back in 1980 We campaigned side by side for Ronald Reagan. Actually I campaigned for Reagan, and Paul campaigned mostly for himself, but he road in on the coattails of Ronald Reagan (a great president). Anyhow I often voted for Ron Paul in local politics (basically because he is for less government), but the idea of him being President scares the heck out of me. God didn't put us here to be isolationists, He put us here to rule the Earth, and that is the only reason He raised us up. If we were to ever shirk from that duty by electing an isolationist like Paul (and/or his son) we will very likely (and quickly) cease to exist and joined the big trash heap of history. You can count on it.

Anyhow I often voted for Ron Paul in local politics (basically because he is for less government), but the idea of him being President scares the heck out of me. God didn't put us here to be isolationists, He put us here to rule the Earth, and that is the only reason He raised us up.

I also liked Rand Paul and his dad, Ron.

The history depicted in the Bible is that of Jews located unfortunately at the crossroads of history, between great empires that rose and fell with some mass Jewish slavery involved and various migrations to the cities of the Greek empire and the later Roman empire and ending in 70AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and the beginning of the Diaspora and the rabbinic era in other great cities of the Roman empire and the eastern empires where Jews existed in large numbers.

I don't see how you derive in any serious doctrinal fashion the idea that Christians are to rule the earth. Scripture tells Christians to evangelize the world and prophecy tells us that end times will come when the Gospel is preached to everyone in every tongue and that there will be a great falling away from the true faith in false churches and that they will persecute the Remnant until the Rapture and that the Millennium of Christ will then exist for a thousand years in which a resurrected Christ will rule the earth from the New Jerusalem.

At least, that is pretty standard modern Millenial apocalyptic doctrine over recent decades.

You instead seem to imagine that Christians will rule this secular world. Scripture indicates this at no point, pointing only to the rule of Christ as King for a Millennium. In which case we would pass, over the course of 7 years (if we survived physically) from being citizens of a democratic republic to being the subjects of the Monarchy of Christ ruling from a seat of power in the New Jerusalem. Jesus would be our God Emperor for a thousand years.

And it is utterly ridiculous to think that all of the Revelation will unfold in 7 short years. It has now been unfolding for over 1700 years (since the return of Christ in 312 AD). It is called the Historicist View of the Revelation, and it used to be the predominant view before the ridiculous Futurist View was invented around the mid-19th century.

No history books say that

If you are talking about the history textbooks in use today, then that is a correct statement. I'm talking about the World History textbooks that were in use when I went to school in the 60's.

I have a premonition that something earth-shaking will come to pass during tomorrow's eclipse.

Dyslexic left wing loons will call it a sign from Dog to rise up and riot.

Dyslexic left wing loons will call it a sign from Dog to rise up and riot.

Will there be looting?

Profit!

[interpreter #8] As all history books say, Christian nations have been ruling the earth ever since the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds and Jesus returned (on October 27h, 312 AD).

[A K A Stone #9] No history books say that kook false prophet.

[interpreter #10] If you are talking about the history textbooks in use today, then that is a correct statement. I'm talking about the World History textbooks that were in use when I went to school in the 60's.

I went to school in the 50's and 60's and never heard of of a 312 A.D. return.

To what history books do you refer?

Where I find mention of it on the internet, the sole author is Barry Midyet (interpreter) and no history book is ever identified.

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[interpreter, LF 2017-04-25 16:55:40 ET] "The history books tell us that the sign of Christ (a Chi-Rho, the first two letters of Christ in Greek) appeared in the sky on Oct 27th, 312 AD...."

[interpreter, LF 2016-05-06 10:00:19 ET] "Every world history textbook in the world, or at least every one that I have read, says that Jesus returned in 312AD on Oct. 27th when the sign of Christ appeared in the sky and Jesus appeared to St. Constantine...."

[interpreter, Christian Forums, Oct 11, 2013] "The second coming of Jesus was in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. That day is called the turning point in history because ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth."

http://www.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=46099

Title: The 5th horseman
Source: Revelation 19
URL Source: http://the5horsemen.com
Published: May 6, 2016
Author: Me and John/Jesus
Post Date: 2016-05-06 08:28:45 by interpreter

[excerpt]

Many Christians think the 5th horseman is Jesus, but I disagree for many reasons, first of all because the history books say Jesus returned in 312 AD. But at the same time, it can also be argued that the five horsemen are five dispensations of the second coming.

Also, http://the5horsemen.com/

The Fifth Horseman by Barry Midyet (interpreter)

Barry Midyet

I write about the Revelation.

My objective is to prove there is a God (who knows the future).

The following is an excerpt from my book, The Revelation: A Historicist View:

The Four Horsemen (of Rev 6)

[excerpt from the excerpt from the book]

In Revelation 5, we are told that the Revelation can only be opened by the coming of Jesus, the Lamb of God. The history books tell us that the second coming was in AD 312, when the sign of Christ appeared in the clouds, and Jesus appeared to St. Constantine and said, "By this, conquer."

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Christian Forums

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-second-coming-was-in-312ad.7779535/page-2#post-64293456

Albion #26, Oct 12, 2013

interpreter said:

St. Constantine was the first Christian conqueror, and he arrived on the world scene when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, marking the second coming. And he rode a white horse and conquered with a bow.

You said that already.

And I asked you where were all the other signs that the Bible teaches will occur at the time of the second coming.

You can't answer that because they did NOT occur. OK? And since they did not, Constantine's doings CANNOT be the second coming of Christ in any respect.

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-second-coming-was-in-312ad.7779535/page-2#post-64293489

interpreter #27, Oct 12, 2013

Albion said:

You said that already.

And I asked you where were all the other signs that the Bible teaches will occur at the time of the second coming.

You can't answer that because they did NOT occur. OK? And since they did not, Constantine's doings CANNOT be the second coming of Christ in any respect.

I have no doubt that the sign of the Son of Man was preceded by other signs in the sky such as a lunar eclipse and/or solar eclipse, and meteor showers.

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-second-coming-was-in-312ad.7779535/page-2#post-64293520

Albion #28, Oct 12, 2013

interpreter said:

I have no doubt that the sign of the Son of Man was preceded by other signs in the sky such as a lunar eclipse and/or solar eclipse, and meteor showers.

Then you are telling us about your own personal theory concerning something you think might have happened, not something that did.

And you have no evidence whatsoever of these various (not just one) phenomena that could not, would not, have been missed by anyone--stars falling from the sky, angels with trumpets, the Lord appearing in the heavens, the sun being darkened, etc.

What we are telling you in return is our "take" on the subject, which is that unless these things actually did happen--and if they did, they would certainly have been noticed even more easily than the color of Constantine's horse ^_^ --they didn't happen. And of course, there's always that little problem of there being no end of the age, judgment, etc.

About these things, we have "no doubt."

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The second coming of Jesus was in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, and Jesus came into power through St. Constantine who rode a white horse and conquered with a bow. That day is called the turning point in history because ever since that day, Christian nations have been the dominant force on earth."

I don't know what catholic revision of history you have been reading, but Constantine was obviously a brilliant manipulator and certainly not the returned Christ. He was probably a manifestation of the anti-christ

Christian nations have not been the dominant nations until recent history, the Muslims came very close to conquering Europe and Rome was defeated by the Barbarians and their own excesses. How do you explain the dark ages? a glorious church?

Woh...that's some awesome cross-forum sleuthing between LF and ChristianForums.

Yes, yes it is. Even I am impressed with Mr Chan, who I consider to be a very good debator who at least does his homework before he (or she?) posts (unlike most posters on LF).

I don't know what catholic revision of history you have been reading, but Constantine was obviously a brilliant manipulator and certainly not the returned Christ. He was probably a manifestation of the anti-christ

Christian nations have not been the dominant nations until recent history, the Muslims came very close to conquering Europe and Rome was defeated by the Barbarians and their own excesses. How do you explain the dark ages? a glorious church?

Well, you directed that to Chan but I think it is really meant for me because he is quoting me. And no, I did not attend a Roman Catholic school. I attended public schools.

And I did not say Constantine was Jesus. I said Jesus appeared to Constantine when His sign appeared in the clouds, and told him "By this sign, conquer." And that's what Constantine promptly did, riding a white horse and carrying a bow. And he conquered all the known world for Jesus, so how can you say we did not rule the earth until recently??

So you are trying to tell me that your history book did not say that Jesus appeared to Constantine when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds?

I am flat out saying that claimed visions in the sky were not in my history books, the return of Christ was not in my history books, and you have still not identified one, just one history book with such content.

If it was in all the Texas textbooks, identify a textbook, any textbook that it has been in.

In my 9 years of Catholic school, I never even heard of the 312 A.D. return of Christ being a controversy, much less an historical fact. It surely never arose in public school history class.

I did not go to school in China. Try New York.

I did not say Constantine was Jesus. I said Jesus appeared to Constantine when His sign appeared in the clouds, and told him "By this sign, conquer." And that's what Constantine promptly did, riding a white horse and carrying a bow.

What you have actually said was:

• The history books tell us that the second coming was in AD 312....

• The history books tell us that the sign of Christ (a Chi-Rho, the first two letters of Christ in Greek) appeared in the sky on Oct 27th, 312 AD....

• Every world history textbook in the world, or at least every one that I have read, says that Jesus returned in 312AD on Oct. 27th....

• The second coming of Jesus was in 312 AD when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds....

• St. Constantine was the first Christian conqueror, and he arrived on the world scene when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, marking the second coming.

And in reply to a query by Albion on the Christian Forums, asking about other signs predicted in the Bible, you improvised,

• I have no doubt that the sign of the Son of Man was preceded by other signs in the sky such as a lunar eclipse and/or solar eclipse, and meteor showers.

Even I am impressed with Mr Chan, who I consider to be a very good debator who at least does his homework before he (or she?) posts (unlike most posters on LF).

It's Mr. Chan. My homework was doing due diligence looking for somebody, anybody, who had published the claim that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ occurred in 312 A.D., as an historical fact.

Your claims were the only sources I could find. There is no shortage of claims that Constantine allegedly alleged that he had seen a vision in the sky.

For myself, I noticed that the Wendy's crew still put out very hot fries when I picked up some at totality. But I wouldn't call it earthshaking because they do pretty well at serving hot fries over the lunch hour.

Be careful what you say 'cause I've got a big ol' bag o' rocks waiting right here.

St. Constantine was the first Christian conqueror, and he arrived on the world scene when the sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds, marking the second coming.

It may have escaped your notice but the second coming hasn't happened yet nor has the 1000 year reign of Jesus, you should depend more on scripture and throw those errant "history" books away. No doubt the Catholic Church was raptured in 312 AD meaning that all that was left were sinners and unbelievers who Constantine led into this post coming paradise, and who did not covert until his death bed, to manipulate them

It may have escaped your notice but the second coming hasn't happened yet nor has the 1000 year reign of Jesus, you should depend more on scripture and throw those errant "history" books away. N

It seems to have escaped your notice that I am NOT the one making the claim. That is interpreter. I am questioning the validity of the claim that it is in history books.

Any thoughts anyone?

Well, the eclipse came and went and nothing happened other than a few fools have damaged their visual acuity by looking into the eclipse without any eye protection. And you are caught naked on the board with more BS.

You should be ashamed of your ignorant behaviour. FUCK OFF AND DIE!

I had this dream I was making sandwiches for a crew about to board on spaceship. I was also getting prepared to go with them. I see notes that relay there is to be a solar flare attack that will burn up the Earth and this is why I am boarding this ship. Well, I am in this ship looking outside this vast 3-D dimensional amount of universe space of darkness and mystery. I see that the bottom part of this ship as separated and I am worried. Perhaps I should suit up and try to go after this part of the ship but then when I look out the window I see it is floating near. So I communicate to the crew my concerns about this. We are looking for a new Earth for the old one is no longer my home. I cannot stand being couped up in this space machine. As I am peering out a window from this ship, I am in awe of this vast universe.

Thanks for sharing.

At least your dream had a plot, about as much as most Hollyweird sci-fi anyway...

His dream had a plot. It was performed in the mid '40s radio science fiction theatre as "Universe".

Perhaps something interesting happened along the 25km long principality of Lichtenstein. Or did Merkel ride a beast into the heart of Berlin?

At least, that is pretty standard modern Millenial apocalyptic doctrine over recent decades.

Actually that was close to what Irenaeus and several of the very early church fathers believed with the exception of a pre trib rapture.

Albion said:

Good dude. Wish he would come over here. :-)

In my 9 years of Catholic school, I never even heard of the 312 A.D. return of Christ being a controversy, much less an historical fact. It surely never arose in public school history class.

I did not go to school in China. Try New York.

Yeah I went to Catholic school. My knuckles can testify to the righteous judgement I received in Sister Mary Midgets class.

So no I too had not heard of the second coming of Christ in 312 A.D.

As a matter of fact the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed (as amended in 381 AD) had:

"He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will never end."

Seems the church of that era was not convinced Jesus Christ came back in 312 AD.

Good dude. Wish he would come over here. :-)

I have had no interaction with Albion at all. I came across the exchange while researching and found Albion directly, succinctly on point and more persuasive than the response he received.

Well nothing earth shattering happened.

Well, Mr Un didn't nuke us, thank God.

But I am petty sure my first scenario came to pass, that a child was born during the eclipse. I am predicting, as many scientists are, that a child born in 2017 (possibly during the eclipse) will live to be 1000 years old, as the Revelation also indicates.

Yeah I went to Catholic school. My knuckles can testify to the righteous judgement I received in Sister Mary Midgets class.

My funniest 9th grade recollection is of a big dude called Brother De Sales who broke a few 18-inch rulers over the course of a year. A student at the front right of the class, near a door, did something which caused Brother De Sales to grab his ruler and head his way. The student dashed out the door, down the hallway, and into the chapel yelling "sanctuary!"

t's Mr. Chan. My homework was doing due diligence looking for somebody, anybody, who had published the claim that the Second Coming of Jesus Christ occurred in 312 A.D., as an historical fact.

Your claims were the only sources I could find. There is no shortage of claims that Constantine allegedly alleged that he had seen a vision in the sky.

Don't know why you say "alleged." The sign of Christ that Constantine saw, and everyone saw, is easily seen with any star-tracking software (that can go forward and backward in time). Just set the date to October 27, 312 AD and you will see it, plain as the nose on your face. It was an unusual alignment of the visible planets that formed (with other stars) a chi-rho or XP, the first two letters of Christ in Greek. And all the history books that I know of say that Jesus appeared to Constantine and said "By this, conquer." And all of them, when I went to school, said that Christianity has been the dominant force on Earth ever since the day the sign appeared. And we will be to the end. Resistance is futile.

I think there's a rule here at LF: only one prophet per thread. I'll check with Stone.

You are a prophet too. You do it by deriving facts from glib assumptions.

And all the history books that I know of say that Jesus appeared to Constantine and said "By this, conquer." And all of them, when I went to school, said that Christianity has been the dominant force on Earth ever since the day the sign appeared. And we will be to the end.

Not exactly. The so called Epoch of Constantine, ENDED with secularization of Christian states in XX century and fall of Christian monarchies.

We live in the post-Millennial times - "when the thousand years [an epoch] are ended, Satan will be released from his prison And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle"

The Antichrist will come next to sit in the rebuilt Temple to rule the world.

Well, Mr Un didn't nuke us, thank God.

The Koreans put the patronym first, not last as we do in the West.

The family name is Kim. So he's Mr. Kim if you want to be more accurate. The Jong-Un is his first/middle name. His daddy was Kim Jong-Il (aka Dear Leader), his grandpa was Kim Il-Sung (aka Great Leader). And Kim Jong-Un is aka Great Successor. Just a typical commie-flavored Oriental despotic dynasty.

Yeah I went to Catholic school. My knuckles can testify to the righteous judgement I received in Sister Mary Midgets class.

So no I too had not heard of the second coming of Christ in 312 A.D.

As a matter of fact the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed (as amended in 381 AD) had:

"He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom will never end."

Seems the church of that era was not convinced Jesus Christ came back in 312 AD.

Yes, but even you admit that the Nicene Creed has been amended. Most of the Bishops at Nicea are on record as saying they felt like they were already in Heaven, i.e., Heaven on Earth. The original Nicene Creed was rather ambiguous about the second coming, but it did not explicitly say it would be in the future. Most of the bishops thought it had already taken place. And they even attached an anathema to the Creed, basically saying that anyone who changed it would spend eternity in hell. And that is probably where the bishops who changed it are going, if they are not there already. There is only one legitimate ecumenical council, and it was held when Constantine sent his messengers with a trumpet and gathered all the elect from all the Church together, to Nicea (fulfilling Matthew 24:31). That only happened once, not 7 times. With each successive ecumenical council, the Church strayed further from the truth, and the doctrine that St Peter and the disciples taught. To sum it all up, in 312/325 AD, most of the bishops of the Church thought that the second coming had already occurred, but that teaching was changed in 381 (or amended as you say).

But I am petty sure my first scenario came to pass, that a child was born during the eclipse. I am predicting, as many scientists are, that a child born in 2017 (possibly during the eclipse) will live to be 1000 years old, as the Revelation also indicates.

Therefore, your prediction is safe for another 1000 years. Thanks for that.

Not exactly. The so called Epoch of Constantine, ENDED with secularization of Christian states in XX century and fall of Christian monarchies.

We live in the post-Millennial times - "when the thousand years [an epoch] are ended, Satan will be released from his prison And will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle"

The Antichrist will come next to sit in the rebuilt Temple to rule the world.

As my dad always told my mother when they got into an argument, you are half right (about the thousand years). For exactly 1000 years, the Church was united as one (as Jesus often prayed for). Then the Pope got a wild hair up his butt, and added one word to the Nicene-Constantinople Creed, and all hell broke loose. First came the Great Schism, and the eastern Church excommunicated the western Church and vice versa. And the western Church went so far as to attack and sack Constantinople. That paved the way for the Islamic hordes, and they very easily and quickly conquered all of Eastern Europe.

Fast forward to today. It has been almost exactly 1000 years since the Pope added that one word to the Nicene Creed, which led to the Great Schism (although Church historians differ on exactly when it was added). But, as near as I can figure it, my Church (the Anglican Church) took the offending word out exactly 1000 years after it was added, and now (even as we speak) my Church and the eastern Churches are engaged in talks that will eventually allow the de facto head of the western Church (my Church) to come back together with the Eastern Churches. (So far, the present Pope wants nothing to do with it, but there is a slim possibility that the Roman Church will at some point join the talks). Then the Church will again be united as one, and again rule the Earth unhindered by Satan, and for a thousand years. Then Satan gets loose again and the battle with Gog and Magog occurs and the earth is destroyed by fire from heaven. Sounds like MAD to me. Mutual Assured Destruction from nuclear bombs.

My funniest 9th grade recollection is of a big dude called Brother De Sales who broke a few 18-inch rulers over the course of a year. A student at the front right of the class, near a door, did something which caused Brother De Sales to grab his ruler and head his way. The student dashed out the door, down the hallway, and into the chapel yelling "sanctuary!"

LOL. In High School (all boys Catholic type) we had a priest for English Lit. He was a sailor and boxer before becoming a priest. He used to outright open slap students in the head. Same thing happened. Some kid named Boucher was a frequent target as he would call Fr. Lancelotti 'father drink a lottie' (the priest did have some drinking issues as after lunch he smelled a bit like cheap whiskey)when he thought the priest was out of ear shot. But the dude had good hearing and would just walk up and smack the teen in the head.

One day some kid from another class wrote on the desk. Fr. L saw it the next period when ol' Boucher was sitting there. So he yelled at Boucher for a good min or two about defacing school property and Boucher lashed out and said he did not do it, he got slapped and then said "F%^& You Lancelotti I did not do it." Then sprinted out of the class room to the safe havens of the effeminate priest across the hall.

Most of the bishops thought it had already taken place.

Which ones? Please show me the evidence.

The Koreans put the patronym first, not last as we do in the West.

The family name is Kim. So he's Mr. Kim if you want to be more accurate. The Jong-Un is his first/middle name. His daddy was Kim Jong-Il (aka Dear Leader), his grandpa was Kim Il-Sung (aka Great Leader). And Kim Jong-Un is aka Great Successor. Just a typical commie-flavored Oriental despotic dynasty.

Actually I knew that. But most of the world thinks Un is his last name, and technically it is, whether or not it is his surname. Anyhow you knew and everyone knows who I am talking about so it is a moot point.

My dreams are not sci-fi. Mine are prophetic. I have had these visions since I was 9.

Does that mean there are three prophets on LF? Love this site. It reminds me very much of the town and county where I was born. There have always been at least two prophets there. And when I was born, a prophetess said I would be the greatest prophet to ever come out of Matagorda County (where Texas began when Stephen F Austin and the Episcopalians landed there).

It may have escaped your notice but the second coming hasn't happened yet nor has the 1000 year reign of Jesus, you should depend more on scripture and throw those errant "history" books away. No doubt the Catholic Church was raptured in 312 AD meaning that all that was left were sinners and unbelievers who Constantine led into this post coming paradise, and who did not covert until his death bed, to manipulate them

"you should depend more on scripture and throw those errant "history" books away"

I cant remember when I have heard a more utterly ridiculous statement. If the history books, and scientific facts, do not agree with the Bible then we should throw away the Bible. But the Good News is, the facts agree 100% with the Bible, so it is a win-win situation.

And the Catholic Church was indeed "raptured" (in a way) to Nicea, if you want to use that word but it is not in the Bible. And Paul was of course wrong when he said the elect would travel through the air. They took common ordinary roads. As far as I know, Paul's wild version of the "rapture" is the only wrong thing in the Bible. But as for me, I tend to stay away from the ramblings of Paul, and stick to the words of Jesus (and God in the OT).

And Constantine did NOT convert on his death bed. He became a believer the moment Jesus appeared to him. It is true that he wasn't baptized until late in life, but it is not because he didn't want to be baptized. According to the Orthodox Church, Constantine at the moment he saw Jesus, became a "Christian in Training" (when translated into English). And he had to graduate from training class first.