Nikita Smith sued the Detroit police after they shot her three dogs on a pot raid. A judge ruled the dogs were "contraband."

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that a Michigan woman has no basis to sue the Detroit Police Department (DPD) for shooting her three dogs because they were not properly licensed.
U.S. District Court Judge George Caram Steeh dismissed a federal civil rights lawsuit filed by Detroit resident Nikita Smith last last year after a marijuana raid by Detroit police left her three dogs shot to death.
The ruling is the first time a federal court has considered the question of whether an unlicensed petin violation of city or state codeis protected property under the Fourth Amendment. Federal courts have established that pets are protected from unreasonable seizures (read: killing) by police, but the city of Detroit argued in a motion in March that Smith's dogs, because they were unlicensed, were "contraband" for the purposes of the Fourth Amendment, meaning she had no legitimate property interest in them and therefore no basis to sue the officers or department.
In his Wednesday opinion Steeh agreed.
"The Court is aware that this conclusion may not sit well with dog owners and animal lovers in general," the judge wrote. "The reason for any unease stems from the fact that while pet owners consider their pets to be family members, the law considers pets to be property."
"The requirements of the Michigan Dog Law and the Detroit City Code, including that all dogs be current with their rabies vaccines, exist to safeguard the public from dangerous animals," he continued. "When a person owns a dog that is unlicensed, in the eyes of the law it is no different than owning any other type of illegal property or contraband. Without any legitimate possessory interest in the dogs, there can be no violation of the Fourth Amendment."
And without any Fourth Amendment violation, Steeh continued, there is no basis for a civil rights claim against the city. Steeh also ruled that Smith's suit would have been dismissed even if she had a cognizable property interest in the dogs, finding that the animals presented an imminent threat to the officers.
Smith's lawsuit characterized the Detroit police officers who raided her house as a "dog death squad." She claimed officers shot one of her pets through a closed bathroom door. Graphic photos from the raid on Smith's house showed the dog lying dead in a blood-soaked bathroom.
Smith's case is only one of several lawsuits that have been filed against the DPD for dog shootings over the past two years. The city of Detroit settled one of those suits for $100,000 after dash cam video showed an officer shooting a man's dog while it was chained to a fence. It was also one of three lawsuits against DPD for shooting dogs during marijuana raids. The most recent was filed in June after DPD officers allegedly shot a couple's dogs while the animals were behind a backyard fence.
A Reason investigation last year found the DPD's Major Violators Unit, which conducts drug raids in the city, has a track record of leaving dead dogs in its wake. One officer had shot 39 dogs over the course of his career before the raid on Smith's house, according to public records.
That officer is now up to 73 kills, according to the most recent records obtained by Reason.
Two other officers involved in the Smith raid testified during the trial that they had shot "fewer than 20" and "at least 19" dogs over the course of their careers.
The court's opinion notes that the "police officers conducting the search had not received any specific training on how to handle animal encounters during raids."
The ruling also noted that Detroit police supervisors found that the shooting of Smith's dogs by officers were all justified. "However, as in many other cases, the ratifying officers did so without speaking to the officers about what had transpired," the court wrote.
Reason's review of "destruction of animal" reports filed by Detroit police officers did not find a single instance where a supervisor found that a dog shooting was unjustified.
Detroit police obtained a search warrant for Smith's residence after receiving a tip that marijuana was being sold out of it. Police confiscated 25 grams of marijuana as a result of the raid, and Smith was charged with a misdemeanor.
However, the case against her was later dismissed when officers failed to appear at her court hearing.
Neither an attorney for Smith nor the Detroit Police Department were immediately available for comment.
Poster Comment:
Police confiscated 25 grams of marijuana as a result of the raid...
Less than one ounce.
#1: Vicomte13 To: Deckard (#0)
Or perhaps: If you don't want your dog shot in Detroit, don't smoke pot.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-08-04 10:46:41 Reply Private Reply
#2: Stoner To: Vicomte13 (#1)
Stoner posted on 2017-08-04 11:08:13 Reply Private Reply
#3: Vicomte13 To: Stoner (#2)
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-08-04 11:27:50 Reply Private Reply
#4: jeremiad To: Deckard (#0)
jeremiad posted on 2017-08-04 15:27:30 Reply Private Reply
#5: nolu chan To: jeremiad, Deckard (#4)
Pot possession is not a code violation.
The issue was whether the alleged owner could sue for the killing of the dogs.
As the dogs were not licensed, he was not the lawful owner, therefore he had no legal right to sue for damages.
It's your choice. The legal consequence is that you are not the lawful owner of the property (pets) and cannot sue for injury to, or death of, "your" pets.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-04 17:04:56 Reply Private Reply
#6: Pinguinite To: nolu chan (#5)
That sounds like a leap to me.
Is your living room couch licensed? If not, are you therefore not it's lawful owner?
Can the state sever a person's right of ownership to property by creating a license?
I think the judge's logic is flawed.
Pinguinite posted on 2017-08-04 20:22:18 Reply Private Reply
#7: nolu chan To: Pinguinite (#6)
Is an unlicensed couch unlawful to possess?
If you possess something which is unlawful to possess, it is contraband and you are not the lawful owner.
"Contraband any property the possession or transportation of which is illegal." Law Dioctionary, 2nd ed., Steven H. Gifis
"Legal owner. One who is recognized and held responsible by by the law as the owner of property." Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed.
During the civil war, the U.S.A. seized Confederate slaves as contraband. The only place you are going to contest a government action is a government court. They might have a conflict of interest but the dogs were held out to be contraband.
They are not severing a right to legal ownership if said right never inhered. He was never recognized by the law as the owner.
The Federal court judge wrote:
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-04 22:18:18 Reply Private Reply
#8: jeremiad To: nolu chan (#7)
jeremiad posted on 2017-08-04 23:29:30 Reply Private Reply
#9: Pinguinite To: nolu chan (#7)
If the state requires no license to possess a living room couch, then your possessing one you acquired legally is considered legal and lawful ownership, and you cannot be deprived of it without violating the 4th Amendment.
Then one day, the state decides to require a license to own a couch. You don't have one and let's say that in spite of your best efforts, you cannot obtain one. A license is, after all, a legal privilege.
The police then raid your house and destroy your couch. You sue, but the court rules:
So we go from point A where you had constitutional protection to your legal property of a couch, to point B where owning the same couch is a state privilege. In the process, the state succeeded in depriving you of what was a constitutional right via enactment of a statute that is inferior to that same constitutionally protected right.
If the woman is in violation of possessing unlicensed dogs, she could/should be held accountable for that violation, but that does not mean the dogs are not her property.
To argue she was not the owner of the dogs because the were not licensed does open a can of worms if, say, in the future another owner's unlicensed dogs attacked a neighbor. This same ruling would mandate that the dog's owner would not be legally liable for injury because the dogs were not licensed, and therefore, not legally owned by any person. Would this same judge accept that argument in such a case even when, without dispute, there was no question who the [illegal] owner of the dog was?
Pinguinite posted on 2017-08-05 02:22:23 Reply Private Reply
#10: Anthem To: Pinguinite (#9)
Anthem posted on 2017-08-05 05:57:52 Reply Private Reply
#11: A K A Stone To: nolu chan (#7)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-08-05 09:50:31 Reply Private Reply
#12: jeremiad To: Pinguinite (#9)
Logic does not apply in the "Candyland" world of 2017 America. Example, a Hawaiian judge making federal policy in clear violation of the chain of command enshrined in the US Constitution. What next? A staff Sgt in Pensacola Florida giving orders to troops in Afghanistan?
jeremiad posted on 2017-08-05 12:08:47 Reply Private Reply
#13: Justified To: Deckard (#0)
This does not mean animals can not be protected by law on basic rights of humanity.
Justified posted on 2017-08-05 12:12:01 Reply Private Reply
#14: Justified To: Pinguinite, nolu chan (#9)
Living room couch can not maul someone or get out and harm others.
Animals have no constitutional rights, period. If so animals could sue their owners/master/care taker/whatever for not taking care of them as they deem necessary. ;)
Justified posted on 2017-08-05 12:15:38 Reply Private Reply
#15: jeremiad To: Justified (#13)
jeremiad posted on 2017-08-05 12:43:04 Reply Private Reply
#16: Pinguinite To: Justified (#14)
That is inconsequential to the point being made. The premise of my point is the question of what extent the state can convert a constitutionally protected right to own a piece of property into a licensed privilege.
This is not about animals suing, but rather the owner of the animals suing. The question is simply whether the animals were the lawful property of the owner, whether licensed or unlicensed.
Pinguinite posted on 2017-08-05 12:50:32 Reply Private Reply
#17: nolu chan To: Pinguinite (#9)
Let's make it a gun. You are the lawful owner. Either you lose your right to possess a gun (e.g., you acquire a State permit for marijuana; or you pick up a felony conviction), or the gun law changes so the particular gun is illegal to possess.
When the law says that something is unlawful to possess, you cannot be the lawful owner of that thing.
When the law specifies you need a license to own or possess something, if you do not get the license, you are not the lawful owner.
If you are unable to obtain a gun license, despite your best efforts to obtain one, you may not possess a gun.
You cannot sue for compensation for the loss of something that was unlawfully in your possession. If you rob a bank and bring the booty home and your neighbor helps himself to it, you cannot sue to get the money back.
You cannot sue anybody to get paid for the loss of something that did not lawfully belong to you. That is what the Federal court ruled.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-05 16:24:54 Reply Private Reply
#18: Deckard To: nolu chan (#17)
What's scary is that too many people think the way you do.
I don't need permission from the government to own a gun, a cat, a dog or a horse.
I haven't licensed my mountain bike - I bought and paid for it. It's MINE, no matter what you and the other black-robed fascists say.
You statists never stop trying to infringe on our rights, do you?
Deckard posted on 2017-08-05 16:33:38 Reply Private Reply
#19: nolu chan To: A K A Stone (#11)
Oh, no. You were in unlawful possession of the dog. A dog under your supervision bites me, but I shoot the valuable unlicensed but prize winning purebred poodle, I can sue you but you cannot sue for the value of the purebred poodle.
If you took in a wolf cub and raised it, and let it loose to bite or kill people, you would not be the legal owner, but you would be legally liable for your actions.
You could be a dog walker with no ownership whatever. You let a dog loose and it bites someone, your actions make you liable for the resulting injury. If I shoot the dog, you cannot sue me for the value of the dog. Due to your negligence, the owner could sue you for the value of the dog.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-05 16:39:33 Reply Private Reply
#20: nolu chan To: Deckard (#18)
What is really scary is people like you who claim to know what others think.
I wrote what the law and the court said. I did not state any personal opinion of agreement or disagreement with the law. If you do not like the law, change it.
I do not care if you license your crap or not. Under the prevailing law, you do so at your own risk.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-05 16:43:23 Reply Private Reply
#21: nolu chan To: jeremiad, Justified (#15)
Human beings have no property rights in property which is unlawfully possessed. They merely possess contraband.
If the government seizes your illegal drugs and you get off due to an unlawful seizure, you do not get your illegal drugs back.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-05 16:49:11 Reply Private Reply
#22: nolu chan To: Pinguinite, Justified (#16)
There is no constitutional right to possess something which is unlawful to possess. There is no legal ownership of something unlawfully possessed.
You have a right to keep and bear arms. If you unlawfully possess a prohibited shotgun with a prohibitively short barrel, you have no property right in that weapon. The government can seize it as contraband and provide no compensation.
You have a right to own a gun in accordance with applicable laws and regulations.
You have a right to own a motor vehicle. You do not have a right to drive it without a properly issued and valid license.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-05 16:58:30 Reply Private Reply
#23: nolu chan To: jeremiad, Justified (#15)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights
Legal rights are the ones that can be enforced it courts of law.
Natural rights are the subject of philosophers.
Your legal rights, under the Constitution are in Amendment 5, that you will not "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Your so-called natural rights may be argued in your philosophy class. The laws of the legal system may be argued in court. Pursuant to due process, they may lawfully take away your property.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-05 17:12:43 Reply Private Reply
#24: rlk To: Deckard (#0)
Let me know when fderal judges not wearing a collar and license can be shot on sight. That should provoke some good ideas.
rlk posted on 2017-08-05 20:46:40 Reply Private Reply
#25: jeremiad To: nolu chan (#23)
jeremiad posted on 2017-08-06 09:15:52 Reply Private Reply
#26: nolu chan To: jeremiad (#25)
No process was due. The dogs were contraband and you had no legitimate posessory interest. "When a person owns a dog that is unlicensed, in the eyes of the law it is no different than owning any other type of illegal property or contraband. Without any legitimate possessory interest in the dogs, there can be no violation of the Fourth Amendment." Smith v. Detroit, Order granting Motion for Summary Judgment at 19-20.
You may rail at the judge, but you still had no case for compensation. In Smith v. Detroit, the Court found no legal basis on which to proceed to trial and dismissed the case on a motion for summary judgment.
The facts of the case, as stated in the court Order Granting Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment, indicate that the alleged facts in the yellow journalism article are bollocks.
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Nikita Smith and Kevin Thomas were squatting at the residence with three unlicensed dogs, two Pit Bulls and a Rottweiler.
The cops were there lawfully serving a valid search warrant pursuant to neighbor complaints of drug dealing at the residence. 25.8 grams of marijuana was found. Kevin Thomas was not present during the execution of the search warrant.
Nikita Smith was present when the warrant was served to search for illegal drugs. She "secured" the two Pit Bulls in the basement and the Rottweiler in a bathroom.
"According to Smith, by the time she walked back to the living room, the officers were entering the house and Debo had escaped from the basement. The first thing after I put the dogs up, my dog Debo . . . pushed the stove, and next thing you know he is standing beside me with the officers " Order granting Motion for Summary Judgment at 6.
The Michigan Dog Law of 1919 "only specifies that damages can be recovered for licensed dogs that are illegally killed." Order granting Motion for Summary Judgment at 19.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-07 00:29:38 Reply Private Reply
#27: nolu chan To: Deckard, jeremiad, Vicomte13, Stoner, Pinguinite, Anthem, A K A Stone, rlk (#0)
Smith v. Detroit, Doc 27, Order Granting Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment at pp. 3-11
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-07 00:31:45 Reply Private Reply
#28: nolu chan To: Deckard, jeremiad, Vicomte13, Stoner, Pinguinite, Anthem, A K A Stone, rlk (#0)
Smith v. Detroit, Doc 27, Order Granting Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment at pp. 13-20
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-07 00:33:20 Reply Private Reply
#29: nolu chan To: Deckard, jeremiad, Vicomte13, Stoner, Pinguinite, Anthem, A K A Stone, rlk (#0)
Smith v. Detroit, Doc 27, Order Granting Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment at pp. 26-28:
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-07 00:34:44 Reply Private Reply
#30: nolu chan To: Deckard, jeremiad, Vicomte13, Stoner, Pinguinite, Anthem, A K A Stone, rlk (#0)
Smith v. Detroit, Doc 27, Order Granting Defendant's Motion for Summary Judgment:
At pg. 32:
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-07 00:36:03 Reply Private Reply
#31: jeremiad To: nolu chan (#30)
jeremiad posted on 2017-08-07 00:46:22 Reply Private Reply
#32: nolu chan To: jeremiad (#31)
And the day will come when you are a defendant and demand your right to an attorney. Or, perhaps you will be a crime victim and there will be no prosecutors. Or you may want to litigate something as a complainant, but there are no judges or courts.
Might as well do away with cops too. Anybody arrested would just do eternity waiting for a trial with no courts.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-07 03:11:22 Reply Private Reply
#33: rlk To: nolu chan, all (#27)
Shooting this number of dogs is not a matter of necessity, but is entirly a matter of sadistic sport practiced by dangerous aggressive bullying psychopaths. It should be viewed as such and punished as such.
rlk posted on 2017-08-08 02:09:59 Reply Private Reply
#34: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#30)
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-08-08 06:54:53 Reply Private Reply
#35: jeremiad To: nolu chan (#32)
jeremiad posted on 2017-08-08 13:24:41 Reply Private Reply
#36: nolu chan To: Vicomte13 (#34)
The Lincoln administration seized the Confederate slaves as contraband and the freedmen were called contrabands. It has been a very flexible and elastic concept for a century or two.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-09 17:00:47 Reply Private Reply
#37: nolu chan To: jeremiad (#35)
Of course, with no lawyers, there would be no need for courts or cops. Absent courts or cops, there would be no need for a legislature or regulatory agency. Indeed, you can just bring back the king.
But there are no person against person crimes. All crimes are against the state. Person against person civil offenses are torts. People sue people for damages.
A lawyer, once having taken a case, cannot just excuse himself. You may have fired him, or he may have obtained leave from the court to be excused. You had to inform the court that you were proceeding on your own.
My definition of proof of payment would be the canceled checks, for the required amount, bearing the endorsing signature. Your idea of proof may vary. Evidently, your idea of proof and the court's idea of proof differed.
One does not file for forgiveness of a debt one can prove has been paid. Filing for forgiveness admits of the existence of the debt. It appears the judge advised that you had Option A or Option B, but that Option C, delay based on a request for forgiveness was not available.
One cannot escape required support payments by filing for forgiveness of a debt. Perhaps you insisted that your attorney argue about forgiveness to the court and he refused and was excused from the case.
nolu chan posted on 2017-08-09 18:02:03 Reply Private Reply
#38: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#36)
The Lincoln administration was correct in doing so, because human beings were being held as slaves by the American system, and that system needed to be unravelled to get rid of that. . The Detroit cops are not right to be shooting dogs through doors and justifying it by the lack of dog licenses.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-08-09 19:33:49 Reply Private Reply
#39: Vicomte13 To: jeremiad (#35)
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-08-09 19:35:48 Reply Private Reply