Getting Butthurt in Debates Shouldn’t Prevent Libertarians From Working Together

The author is of course speaking about libertarians working with other libertarians. However that should not be the primary concern for libertarians at this time. What is of the utmost most importance now is those who wish to call themselves in libertarians currently serving in Congress should stop being despicable temperamental assholes with an inflated view of their own talent trying to show their importance and begin working within the system. They need stop running in little circles like dogs chasing their tails….constantly going around and around while going nowhere.

Working as a shadow party within a party is essentially a system that is unviable. The libertarian obstructionists in Congress who insist on their way or no way need to have a come to Jesus moment to face the truth of the matter with a sudden intuitive insight into the reality of reassessing priorities. Those acting like spoiled kids need to realize that are still ways to work within the system and handle the politics without constantly trying to upend a system that has on balance worked pretty well for over 200 years.

...need to realize that are still ways to work within the system...

Good grief! You really believe that shit?

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

This was originally written in 1996 - it's getting closer to the day when the only recourse left is to shoot (or hang) the bastards.

The police state is becoming more entrenched by the day, and quislings like you cheer the tyranny.

The police state is becoming more entrenched by the day, and quislings like you cheer the tyranny.

Can you give us an example of how the government tyranized you personally?

Do they stop you on your way to work?

Do they randomly come to your house?

Do they come and beat you up?

Do they fuck your wife?

Do they pick on your kids?

What did they do to you personally?

The minarchists do tend to pick fights but the anarchists are worse. They kinda deserve each other.

Do they come and beat you up?

Didn't you get roughed up by the local cops once? Anyway, that was my recollection.

...need to realize that are still ways to work within the system...

Good grief! You really believe that?

Of course I believe that. You have been verbalizing for how long now about making changes from “outside” the system. How has that been working out for you?

Dalai Lama once said: “A genuine change must first come from within the individual, only then can he or she attempt to make a significant contribution to humanity.”

The Dalai Lama is correct. The only way to make a genuine change is to work “within” the system for change.

That concept is so simplistically true that even a libertarian idiot should understand it. Why does understanding it give you so much trouble?

The police state is becoming more entrenched by the day, and quislings like you cheer the tyranny.

Nope! It is violent crime that is becoming more entrenched by the day. I recall a 2015 report revealed there was an increase in violent crimes in the United States. So, what you are seeing is an increase in police activity to counter the increase in violent crimes and it is libertarian assholes like you along with anarchists, activists, attorneys, academicians and arrested person’s relatives in subcultures of crime and conflict who act as bleeding hearts to promote “hating the cops” who are doing thei jobs.

With all the political correctness that has now invoked silence on so called slang, pejorative and hateful words even some of the finest citizens have been caught up to say they hate cops….that they’re corrupt, lazy, pompous and stupid. Oh some are, probably 1 percent. But does the action of that 1 percent call for unleashing such a vendetta against cops? Hardly not? So, there must be other reasons. Why don’t you state your reasons?

When events happen, even those that can be deemed normal or neutral, the police are not allowed to narrate or explain the event. The public is only allowed to hear one side. There is no “Al Sharpton” to step out and speak on behalf of the police. All we get to see is partial raw videos that never show the beginning cause and listen to angry relatives and biased activists. It is always bad news for the cops with never a police perspective….is it?

You “hate cops” assholes are constant Internet trumpets with your clarion blaring discordant presence. A simple “Google” will bring up endless amounts of random noise rants and more importantly it brings up organized hate movements such as those your promote.

You fail to realize the seeds of hate you sow when your antagonistic and divisive rhetoric spreads to become contagious and eventually jeopardizes cops safety on the streets.

There is never a focus on “Positive Policing.” Why is that? Telling success stories about the good actions of cops on forums and social media can help balance negative stories to place everything into a proper perspective.

But some don’t want a proper perspective….all they want is to spread HATE.

Have you ever been roughed up by the cops?

Is there a reason why as of late you have joined Deckard’s inner sanctum on the hate cop threads?

Oh, don’t you dare deny you have not …

jeopardizes cops safety on the streets.

Oh geesh! Not this shit again.

Are property rights even remotely existent in today's society?

Yes, and they are quite robust. If somebody steals something of mine that is of great value, he will do some hard time.

What property rights are not, and never can be in the real world, are absolute. This is where libertarians go berserk and lose the thread of reality.

There’s already plenty of articles about how libertarians shouldn’t be as divided as we are and how the infighting will prevent us from making progress, but there’s a specific item that I wanted to address in regards to this division between different factions of libertarians.

Proving once again that libertarians never listen to those outside their circle, they will not even listen to other libertarians.

Nothing new here …

It is violent crime that is becoming more entrenched by the day. I recall a 2015 report revealed there was an increase in violent crimes in the United States.

You really like making shit up, don't you?

Careful with the Panic: Violent Crime and Gun Crime Are Both Dropping

Today, the national crime rate is about half of what it was at its height in 1991. Violent crime has fallen by 51 percent since 1991, and property crime by 43 percent. In 2013 the violent crime rate was the lowest since 1970. And this holds true for unreported crimes as well. According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, since 1993 the rate of violent crime has declined from 79.8 to 23.2 victimizations per 1,000 people.

Here’s the trend since 1960. As you will see, the lines go up and then the lines go down. This is A Good Thing.

Do Americans know this? Apparently not, no:

Government statistics show that, except for some small blips, serious crime has decreased almost every year from 1994 through 2013. For over a decade Gallup has found that the majority of Americans polled believe crime is up, contrary to the fact that crime rates have plummeted in almost every small and large city since the 1990s. This is not to say that all cities and areas are experiencing decreases in violent crime year after year, but the overall rate of violent crime is significantly lower than historic levels.Brookings.

The same trend is evident in the realm of “gun crime.” Per a Pew analysis of DOJ statistics:

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Non sequitur.

How many of those in that graph chart died when someone walked up to the window of their car and ambushed them by shooting them in their head?

Keep “egging on the violence against cops” you libertarian asshole …

Are property rights even remotely existent in today’s society?

Not Really.

Woman could face jail time over garden

Violent Crime and Gun Crime Are Both Dropping

I am sure some folks in Chicago will be pleased to learn this.

Tell us....how may were shot there "this" weekend?

Property rights are governed by laws made by representatives of the people.

It is you libertarians who think you can pick and choose which laws you wish to obey and which you can ignore.

But, Sport....it doesn't work that way...

Keep “egging on the violence against cops” you libertarian asshole …

I point out the corruption and criminality that is evident in many of the "heroes" who work in Law Enforcement.

DEA Allowed Criminal Cops to Build Their Own Drug Empires for Over a Decade

I'm not egging on any violence.

Law Enforcement? When did that become a thing? When did we go from we go from Officer Friendly to today's heavily militarized cops.

Being a cop is safer than any of those occupations listed above.

Cop groupies like you believe otherwise.

These [libertarian] debates always seem to be end in hurt feelings, or plain ad hominem attacks. Open borders supporters call closed border supporters fascists, while the latter calls the former communists. Anarchists claim that minarchists need to open their eyes and stop being sheep, while minarchists claim that anarchists are idealists with no real answers.

If libertarian infighting looks so ridiculous to another libertarian….you libertarians should stop and realize how ridiculous the libertarians in Congress look with their obstructionist posturing to systematically block or interrupt the political process. Especially when they attempt to impede passage of legislation for their own self serving reasons.

Property rights are governed by laws made by representatives of the people.

In December, King said an anonymous complaint led to an arrest citation. It details "overgrowth" in her yard and said she's violating a city code that prohibits "excessive growth."

"We asked him for a definition of excessive, which he could not provide," King said.

I'm not egging on any violence.

You are a lying asshole!!!!

"We asked him for a definition of excessive, which he could not provide," King said.

So King said ...

And because that was the only statement made....we are to completely believe that is the entireity of the exchange?

You can....but I will not form an opinion on something presenting from only one side.

[Libertarians] should be working together to strip away the power of the state in general.

No! Right now you libertarian assholes should be working together to get a healthcare bill and a tax approved so the President can sign them into law.

Libertarians need to stop acting like demigods thinking they are a national party with the prominence to support national ambitions. If libertarians wish to get anything accomplished, they MUST for strategic partnerships with the Republicans. Otherwise, libertarians will continue doing what they have always done….pissing into the wind. This may sound to libertarians like apostasy and selling out, but it is not. What it is….it is as I have someone say many times: “The Art of the Deal.”

I'm not egging on any violence.

You are a lying asshole!!!!

Frankly Gatslime - it's you, whitey and the other cop worshipers here who are egging on the violence - committed by police against unarmed and innocent citizens.

S.D. Cops Forced Catheters for Drug Testing

Have you ever been roughed up by the cops?

Of course not. But I seem to recall that Stone mentioned an incident where he was.

Is there a reason why as of late you have joined Deckard’s inner sanctum on the hate cop threads? Oh, don’t you dare deny you have not …

I don't think I have, Granny Gatlin.

I find his regular half-dozen-straight cop-hater threads as annoying as your regular half-dozen-straight liberty-hater threads in our sidebar. Talk about wallpapering a forum with your own fetish...

No the Kentucky cops. They deserve to die.

No the Kentucky cops. They deserve to die.

Ah. You sound a little less forgiving of them this time. When you told us about it before, you seemed remarkably mellow to me, considering the level of abuse.

When did we go from we go from Officer Friendly to today's heavily militarized cops.

When all of this happened!