Pope Francis had harsh words to describe libertarians Friday, saying they deny the value of the common good in favor of radical selfishness where only the individual matters. I cannot fail to speak of the grave risks associated with the invasion of the positions of libertarian individualism at high strata of culture and in school and university education, the Pope said in an message sent to members of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences meeting in the Vatican and subsequently shared with Breitbart News.
A common characteristic of this fallacious paradigm is that it minimizes the common good, that is the idea of living well or the good life in the communitarian framework, Francis said, while at the same time exalting a selfish ideal.
Members of the Pontifical Academy are currently engaged in a workshop bearing the title Towards a Participatory Society: New Roads to Social and Cultural Integration, which began Friday and will run through May 2.
Francis said that libertarianism, which is so fashionable today, is a more radical form of the individualism that asserts that only the individual gives value to things and to interpersonal relations and therefore only the individual decides what is good and what is evil.
Libertarianism, he said, preaches that the idea of self-causation is necessary to ground freedom and individual responsibility.
Thus, the libertarian individual denies the value of the common good, the pontiff stated, because on the one hand he supposes that the very idea of common means the constriction of at least some individuals, and on the other hand that the notion of good deprives freedom of its essence.
Libertarianism, he continued, is an antisocial radicalization of individualism, which leads to the conclusion that everyone has the right to extend himself as far as his abilities allow him even at the cost of the exclusion and marginalization of the more vulnerable majority.
According to this mentality, all relationships that create ties must be eliminated, the Pope suggested, since they would limit freedom. In this way, only by living independently of others, of the common good, and even God himself, can a person be free, he said.
This isnt the first time that the Pope has taken issue with popular social and political trends.
In March, Pope Francis told leaders of the European Union that the populist movements that are sweeping many parts of Europe and other areas are fueled by egotism.
Populism, he said, is the fruit of an egotism that hems people in and prevents them from overcoming and looking beyond their own narrow vision.
#1: Gatlin To: Deckard, libertarian assholes (#0)
Now youve really gone too far and even have the Pope pissed at you.
You libertarian assholes are in deep doo-doo.
The Pope said:
This is quite remarkable. Of all the political philosophies that exist, Pope Francis has singled out and attacked libertarianism to say: Yep, the Pope nailed it.But, since you have never listened to me....why in the Hell should you listen to the Pope, right?
Gatlin posted on 2017-04-29 19:20:53 Reply Private Reply
#2: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, gay communitarian canaries (#0)
A gay canary Communist thug!
Add the pope to Gatlin's LF Canary list. He must have studied your posting history for inspiration, before giving this speech.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-04-29 19:23:07 Reply Private Reply
#3: Pinguinite To: hondo68 (#2)
Pinguinite posted on 2017-04-29 19:47:25 Reply Private Reply
#4: Deckard To: Gatlin, hondo68 (#0)
In other words, individual rights BAD - communitarianism (socialism) GOOD.
You've been pushing that agenda for some time now Gatslime - now you use the Pope (a New World Order stooge) to try and legitimize your nefarious world-view.
Deckard posted on 2017-04-29 20:02:16 Reply Private Reply
#5: Deckard To: Pinguinite (#3)
I can't say I'm a fan of anything he has to say.
It is utterly hilarious that Gatlin would use the words of this globalist Pope to try and legitimize his jihad against libertarianism.
I wonder of Gatlin also agrees with the Pope on immigration and that all religions are equal?
Deckard posted on 2017-04-29 20:03:28 Reply Private Reply
#6: Gatlin To: Deckard (#4)
I just can't stop laughing!!
Oh my side !!
Gatlin posted on 2017-04-29 21:12:37 Reply Private Reply
#7: Deckard To: Gatlin (#1)
The Fascist Pope
..why in the Hell should you listen to the Pope, right?
Why should anyone listen to him?
Only the libertarian ideas of the virtues of private property, markets, and economic freedom the ideas that the pope routinely denounces with a passionate hatred could have prevented the destruction of the Argentinian economy. He seems to think that the only problem with Peron was that he didnt go far enough with his brand of socialism (fascism national socialism in the twentieth-century German variety being just another variety of socialism, as Friedrich Hayek explained in detail in The Road to Serfdom).
Deckard posted on 2017-05-01 06:32:59 Reply Private Reply
#8: Gatlin To: Deckard (#7)
Why should anyone listen to him [Pope Francis]?
But that is the wrong question to ask.
The proper question to ask is:
Do multitudes of people the world over listen to Pope Francis?
And the answer to that question is astoundingly:
YES, they do.
Therefore, you can paste links, call him a fascist forever, stamp your little feet, then roll on the floor and scream you personally dont like him .but after all of that, when go check any list of the most powerful people in the world .you will always find Pope Francis in the top 10.
Like it or not, and you have made it abundantly that you dont .thats reality and you need to face it, Sport.Reality can become one of your best friends, if you will simply let it. Stop fighting it so hard.
You can rest assuredly that when Pope Francis warns against the invasion of libertarianism people all over the world are listening.
If you want to seed libertarianism around the globe, you need to have the Pope as a friend.
Cue old Willie
Gatlin posted on 2017-05-01 08:48:35 Reply Private Reply
#9: Deckard To: Gatlin (#8)
Who gives a shit what a false prophet has to say.
Roman Catholicism is a CULT!
Keep drinking the kool-aid Gatslime.
...(Gatlin and the Pope) seem to think that the only problem with Peron was that he didnt go far enough with his brand of socialism (fascism national socialism in the twentieth-century German variety being just another variety of socialism...
Deckard posted on 2017-05-01 09:19:02 Reply Private Reply
#10: Gatlin To: Deckard (#9)
Ahem .you and I are not discussing a problem with Peron.Stay on subject.
You can call Roman Catholicism a cult. But when you again ask who gives a shit what a false prophet has to say [and try to strengthen your position by calling the Pope a false prophet]....I will continue to give you the same answer based on fact and not an emotional reaction like you.Check any list of the most powerful people in the world .you will always find Pope Francis in the top 10.
And so, I say to you again Now, read this out loud to yourself: There, you should feel better now that you have faced realityGatlin posted on 2017-05-01 09:50:33 Reply Private Reply
#11: Deckard To: Gatlin (#10)
Millions of deluded sheep - like you listen to him and cares what he says.
The Pope does not speak for me or anyone else I know.
Deckard posted on 2017-05-01 09:55:45 Reply Private Reply
#12: Gatlin To: Deckard (#11)
The question you asked was: Who listens to the Pope [when he warns against the invasion of libertarianism]?
I have answered that at least three times and you still keep trying to dance away from accepting a truthful answer based on reality and try to spin with deflection.
You can stop trying to do that now .you are making a fool of yourself.
Gatlin posted on 2017-05-01 10:03:01 Reply Private Reply
#13: Deckard To: Gatlin (#12)
From my perspective, you are nothing more than a globalist who claims to be conservative.
Sod off wanker.
Deckard posted on 2017-05-01 10:06:48 Reply Private Reply
#14: Gatlin To: Deckard (#13)
Do you know if she did?
Gatlin posted on 2017-05-01 10:10:19 Reply Private Reply
#15: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, Deckard, Shadow Pope (#14)
The Shadow Pope, Benedict XVI has been unable to convert Francis to Christianity.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-05-01 15:19:51 Reply Private Reply