That’s when Del Valle turns on his camera and warns the deputies, “I got you on video. Go ahead. Tase me.”

He'll never win. They'll argue that he was willing to be tased.

We lived for 1000 years without police. Maybe we should again.

I'm willing enough. But you'll never convince the public. They don't want the job of defending themselves.

And you must know that abolishing police would lead to an equal or larger number of people getting killed by people defending themselves.

And of course you would put an end to the courts overall. No traffic laws, no family courts, etc. Because those all function only because of the threat of police power.

So I don't think you mean it. At all. I think you're just dangling a little red meat for the Bubbas here at LF, just to see how many might agree.

So I don't think you mean it. At all. I think you're just dangling a little red meat for the Bubbas here at LF, just to see how many might agree.

I mean it right after I read these articles. I am so furiously pissed at this abuse that, in moment, I'm ready to shut down the police force and execute the police.

Things have gotten out of hand in America, and it needs to stop.

With time, the anger passes. I know we are not going to do anything about it. Excessive violence is a feature of our culture, and we're not going to change anything.

True justice for the victims and the abusers will be found in the afterlife, where there is no such thing as "Qualified Immunity" before God.

Before the video begins, the deputies allegedly order Del Valle to stand up ... Del Valle said “I’m not standing up.

No need to read any more than that. We all know what happens after those kind of statements.

I mean it right after I read these articles. I am so furiously pissed at this abuse that, in moment, I'm ready to shut down the police force and execute the police.

An excited utterance. I get that.

"Del Valle shouts repeatedly, “Call my lawyer!”

And who is "his" lawyer? None other than Izaak Schwaiger, "who has carved a niche as a go-to lawyer on police brutality cases".

What a coincidence.

" As for Del Valle, after he was severely beaten by Thorne — for no reason — he was then arrested and brought to jail. However, once police attempted to charge him with something, they realized they had no evidence of him committing a crime, so he was let go. "

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

But he was tazed & beaten simply because he had insulted the cops ego. HOW DARE HE ???

According to the Press Democrat, a spokesman for Sheriff Steve Freitas could not comment on the cellphone video but agreed the deputies’ three videos raised concerns from the start about excessive force. After watching them, department brass immediately turned the case over to Santa Rosa police for criminal investigation, Sgt. Spencer Crum said.

“We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

*********

Not just one job but JOBS. Haw many? Who knows.

What other profession allows you to be fired from a job for beating people up and then going to the next town and getting the same job?

Why is it you never see these assholes jailed AFTER they have been fired?

“We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

They've thrown him under the bus.

This is yet one more example of a bad cop moving from jurisdiction to jurisdiction after getting into trouble. I've often thought this is likely a very underreported aspect of these kinds of cases.

This is why I have always advocated for bonding or requiring cops to carry their own liability insurance. When a cop is covered by a town or county insurance policy, they don't pay a personal price or see their own "malpractice" insurance rates rise. And the taxpayers always get punished for the misdeeds of the minority of bad cops that their local agency employs.

Why is it you never see these assholes jailed AFTER they have been fired?

If you did something like that, you might see corrupt prosecutors in jail along with them.

The system protects itself. Judges, prosecutors, cops, review boards, they all cover each others' asses, just like a criminal gang.

Hey, Deckard …

The police officer in the video you posted shot and killed a Navy vet.

Now a Vietnam vet in the video I post here shot and killed a police officer.

Some may say that kinda evens things up….huh?

Notice how many the police officer in the second video kept repeatedly yelling to the Vietnam vet to “put the gun down.”

Unfortunately, the police officer told the Vietnam vet one too many times to put the gun down….and lost life for being too patient and too reserve.

The police officer should never have told the Vietnam vet one even time to put the gun down….the police officer should have shot the son of a bitch immediately when the Vietnam vet pulled gun.

Wiki: Murder of Kyle Dinkheller

He was 22. His only son was born 8 months after he died so at least he didn't win a Darwin Award but he really should have shot sooner. No one would have faulted him.

His killer was finally executed in 2015. Long overdue. And confining him for 15 years cost the taxpayers at least a half-million and that's before you get to all the endless legal expenses for all his appeals.

The graphic account [posted in the article o this thread]] of an officer- involved shooting from August 30, 2016, serves to illustrate the failures of modern-day policing, officer training, and complexities of demanding 100 percent compliance of the general population during a traffic stop. From the just released dash camera footage of Bell County, Texas Sheriff’s Cpl. Shane Geers, one can see the officer was in pursuit of a small dark colored SUV, sirens blazing.

Paraphrasing: A replay of the graphic video below of a Vietnam vet involved shooting serves to illustrate the failure of modern-day policing, officer training, and complexities of not requiring 100 percent compliance with an individual to follow instructions during a traffic stop. From the dash camera footage of Laurens County Sheriff's Kyle Dinkheller. one can see what happened when a law enforcement officer wait too long before …

The action in this video was fortunately captured on a personal video recorder Deputy Dinkheller had placed on his patrol car dashboard and activated when he pulled over motorist Vietnam veteran Andrew Howard Brannan for speeding

This video and Dinkheller’s murder continues to get national attention and serves as a trining film in police academies across the country.

In the shootout, Dinkheller was armed with his semi-automatic service handgun, and Brannan had an M1 Carbine rifle. Dinkheller shot and wounded Brannan. Despite this, Brannan fired the rifle, reloaded it, fired a lethal shot into Dinkheller's eye, and fled the scene in his Toyota truck. The next morning, police found Brannan still in Laurens County, Georgia, hiding in a sleeping bag beneath a camouflage tarp. Police arrested Brannan for the murder of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller.

Brannan pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, claiming in part that he suffered from posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) stemming from his military service as a soldier in the Vietnam War. Because Deputy Dinkheller's video recorded most of Brannan's actions, the jury found he murdered Dinkheller in a premeditated, torturous, and cruel manner.

Two years following the murder, the jury found Brannan guilty of murder. Brannan was sentenced to death and the State of Georgia executed Brannan by lethal injection.

The man in the SUV was 59-year-old, Lyle P. Blanchard, a US Navy veteran. While it appears Geers was following a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed, the two vehicles weren’t going all that fast. Geers must have noticed an officer was following him, so he decided to pull over, as nearly all driver’s education courses teach us to do. That’s where the story begins, but it does not end that way for either man.

If you have never seen this video, it is a must. If you have seen it, it is worth seeing again …

.... posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) ...

There seems to be way too much of this shit going around.

Some of it of course is tragically true.

But I wonder how many are just using it as a cop out.

Thanks …

You always have far too many “hate-cop” threads going on at once.

How about limiting them to one a day so that we all need no be continually jumping back and forth and sometime posting on the wrong thread….as I just did.

But, what the Hell…the my message is befitting for both your threads …

It is equally tragic when an innocent civilian is needlessly gunned down by an over zealous officer!

How about limiting them to one a day so that we all need no be continually jumping back and forth and sometime posting on the wrong thread….as I just did.

Don't blame me for your idiocy asshole.

I’ll tear this article to shreds,

Gee, I think not - unless you want to defend a cop who has already been fired for his egregious behavior in this case.

After watching the videos, department brass immediately turned the case over to Santa Rosa police for criminal investigation... “We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

Read that again Gatslime - fired from not just one job but JOBS. How many? More than one obviously - 3, 4? Probably at least.

What other profession allows you to be fired from a job for beating people up and then going to the next town and getting the same job? Certainly not the military. Certainly not any job field that I know of.

And you really want to keep defending this POS when his own employers won't?

This is a big part of the problem - why is it you never see these assholes JAILED after they have been fired? Instead they just sign on with another PD and continue the same abuse.

… Marine Corps veteran was tasered and severely beaten …

But the point I want to make here is that these fake news and yellow journalism always mention the military association with the perp but never mention the military association of the law enforcement officer(s).

Had the author done this, the lead in to this article would probably been written as …

A Marine Corps veteran police officer tasered and severely beat a Marine Corps veteran as he lay in bed.

The majority of law enforcement officers are ex-military and many are still active in the reserves or National Guard.

I’ll tear this article to shreds,

Gee, I think not - unless you want to defend a cop who has already been fired for his egregious behavior in this case.

If that’s the case, then you may finally have been the “blind squirrel that did find an acorn.”

It’s about damned time you did….after all of the trashy lies you have continually posted.

But, I will be the one who decides….it will definitely not be you.

Your warped judgment can never even be considered.

I will let you know what I find …

This video and Dinkheller’s murder continues to get national attention and serves as a training film in police academies across the country.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if it wasn't used that way.

Along with a speech about a cop's duty to survive the day's work and go home to his family. And to preserve his own life so he can report for work and keep the public safe again tomorrow.

There seems to be way too much of this shit going around.

They've greatly expanded this category. Now it includes rape victims, assault victims, stalking victims, etc. And the Snowflake crowd that gets "triggered" over someone farting near them.

These vague categories invite volunteer "victims". After all, it's pretty hard for white people to be Victim Du Jour unless they can claim autism/ADHD/bipolar/manic-depressive/PTSD/transgender/gay.

If you could find a way to claim all of those at once, you'd really have a good racket, eh?

The majority of law enforcement officers are ex-military...

No, they aren't. You are trying to make a claim that ex-soldiers make good cops. It ain't necessarily so.

Soldiers have a combat mindset, a trait we are starting to see too much of in modern policing. Cops are not soldiers.

Add to that - many if not most police departments have been hyper-militarized. Cops are taking on tactics of soldiers, armored vehicles, military-style uniforms, military mindset where all citizens are viewed as criminals.

Either way - the military "culture" seen in most police departments has a dangerously influential impact on law enforcement.

How the War on Terror Has Militarized the Police

The most serious consequence of the rapid militarization of American police forces, however, is the subtle evolution in the mentality of the "men in blue" from "peace officer" to soldier. This development is absolutely critical and represents a fundamental change in the nature of law enforcement. The primary mission of a police officer traditionally has been to "keep the peace."

Those whom an officer suspects to have committed a crime are treated as just that - suspects. Police officers are expected, under the rule of law, to protect the civil liberties of all citizens, even the "bad guys." For domestic law enforcement, a suspect in custody remains innocent until proven guilty. Moreover, police officers operate among a largely friendly population and have traditionally been trained to solve problems using a complex legal system; the deployment of lethal violence is an absolute last resort.

Soldiers, by contrast, are trained to identify people they encounter as belonging to one of two groups -- the enemy and the non-enemy -- and they often reach this decision while surrounded by a population that considers the soldier an occupying force. Once this identification is made, a soldier's mission is stark and simple: kill the enemy, "try" not to kill the non-enemy. Indeed, the Soldier's Creed declares, "I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat." This is a far cry from the peace officer's creed that expects its adherents "to protect and serve."  

...a cop's duty to survive the day's work and go home to his family. And to preserve his own life so he can report for work and keep the public safe again tomorrow.

The new definition of "hero".

... you'd really have a good racket, eh?

They probably are making all kinds of monetary claims for this "disability" …

My brother came back for the “Big War.” I could take my slingshot and hit three neighbors who also came back from the war. I was in ag classes (FFA) in high school for 4 years and I assisted the ag teacher one week a night in the ag building and shop where 20 or so local WWII vets came to ag classes under the GI Bill.

I became friendly with them and got to know them rather well. I never heard of anyone becoming an alcoholic or drug addict [of course recreational drugs were unknown in those days]. No one ever heard of or knew anything about PTSD. The only thing, and it was not considered strange, no one ever talked about what they did in the war and I never asked.

I compare those days and those vets with today when everyone and his brother, whether they were ever in a combat zone or not claims to be suffering from PTSD. Not too long ago, I read about a personnel clerk who had always been stateside was said to be suffering from PTSD.

They all seem to be getting away with it, although no doubt some really are truly troubled by it.

Funny True Story: I kid you not, my wife recently asked me to do a long ard arduous heavy duty chore. I had just finished reading about the personnel clerk and his PTSD. I told my wife that I couldn’t do the chore because I had developed PTSD….it didn’t work for me.

The new definition of "hero".

I don't appreciate your sarcasm.

I meant what I said.

There is too much cop worship in this country and too much deference to almost anything they do. But what I said is still true.

When these guys ….

Became these guys …

But that’s something you can’t understand …

The only thing, and it was not considered strange, no one ever talked about what they did in the war and I never asked.

That generation knew better than to dwell on hardships. They grew up in the Depression and survived the war. They knew better.

I told my wife that I couldn’t do the chore because I had developed PTSD….it didn’t work for me.

Keep watching Deckard's videos and take an acting class at the local community college.

I don't appreciate your sarcasm.

I meant what I said.

Sarcasm? Not really - I know you meant what you said even thought your post could have been construed as sarcasm too.

There is too much cop worship in this country and too much deference to almost anything they do.

I've made that point several times.

How the War on Terror Has Militarized the Police

It has not….militarization of police forces has simply become the latest buzz phrase for cop-haters.

Keep watching Deckard's videos and take an acting class at the local community college.

Funny ...

...militarization of police forces has simply become the latest buzz phrase for cop-haters.

How many police departments had armored vehicles before the WOT started?

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

‘Do Not Resist’: A chilling look at the normalization of warrior cops

They don't need those things on a daily basis. It invites abuse and a heavy-handed approach to the public.

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

What would you have to piss and moan about….oh, you would find something, no doubt.

I want Congress to force them to park those at local National Guard armories unless a governor okays their use in a state of emergency or to apprehend violent drug gangs or jihadis.

They don't need those things on a daily basis. It invites abuse and a heavy-handed approach to the public.

If they are parked at a local National Guard armory, that can be many miles away and it may take hours to locate the guy with a key during night time hours. The armories I know are not manned 24/7.

How is a governor better qualified to say when they should or should not be used that a local Police Chief of Sheriff?

“Invites” a nebulous term….if there is actual abuse, then it must be dealt with.

Your position makes no sense to me….it obviously does to you.

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

What would you have to piss and moan about….

What's reprehensible is that a so-called American citizen like yourself is a pom-pom waving cheerleader who applauds the rise of the Amerikan police state.

I want Congress to force them to park those at local National Guard armories unless a governor okays their use in a state of emergency or to apprehend violent drug gangs or jihadis.

That would be one option.

The problem now is that they are using these military vehicles to go after those with parking tickets or a kid in possession of a gram of pot.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything is treated as a nail.

… the rise of the Amerikan police state.

Only in your conspiracy theory diseased mind where fantasies rule.

It’s a product of your warped imagination developed from reading too many articles it TFTP.

There is no such real place …

The problem now is that they are using these military vehicles to go after those with parking tickets or a kid in possession of a gram of pot.

Bullshit.

Your phantasies have taken complete control of your reasoning.

Military vehicles are not used that way …

If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything is treated as a nail.

Try again….this time make sense.

What did some cop do to you that you didn’t really deserve?

The problem now is that they are using these military vehicles to go after those with parking tickets...

How about for exercising their First Amendment rights?

Regardless how one feels about making an obscene gesture towards police officers, the bottom line is that such a gesture is a protected constitutional right and nobody should be harassed for it, especially by heavily armed thuggish individuals riding around in what appears to be a tank through downtown Gainesville, Florida.

Watch video below:

What is not understandable is why you have such a deep seated fear of the police and an uncontrollable hatred for cops.

It's not unreasonable to fear the police, even if you have done nothing wrong. It's best to avoid them and shun them when they approach you in a business.

I see cops pretty much every morning when I stop for coffee - I just ignore them.

As we have seen time and time again, cops often get away with killing innocent American citizens - it's almost a daily occurrence.

I don't hate all cops - just the bad ones.

In fact I posted a story about a "good" cop just the other day.

Never Forget: Hero Cop Who Blew Whistle on OKC Bombing Did NOT Commit Suicide

If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything is treated as a nail.

Exactly so. And they want to hit everything with that sledgehammer.

Military vehicles are not used that way …

You didn't watch the coverage of the Boston Marathon massacre where they ended up going door to door with a confined population, searching houses, riding in their armored vehicles and outfitted like combat soldiers?

All to apprehend a 19yo kid on foot that ended up cowering in a boat in someone's back yard?

The police should not be militarized. Leave such things to the National Guard and under the control of the governors.

They are not used on a daily basis….that I know of, do you?

In some cities, yes, they are used daily. And on routine arrests. It seems this is more true in the most liberal areas though you see it in some conservative areas in the South too.

If they are parked at a local National Guard armory, that can be many miles away and it may take hours to locate the guy with a key during night time hours. The armories I know are not manned 24/7.

I thought you were saying they're rarely used?

The armories in my state are manned. And any armory in the country can be available on short notice to respond to natural disasters so they could roll out the local commander or a ranking subordinate to unlock the vehicle for the cops. So this is very doable anywhere in America.

What is not understandable is why you have such a deep seated fear of the police and an uncontrollable hatred for cops.

It's not unreasonable to fear the police …

No, I am not playing doctor.

One need not be a psychiatrist to recognize your malady, it is visibly evident to everyone who reads your article and posts you make.

Here is something that worked for a 5-year-old girl….and you can experience something similar the next time you see cops when you stop for coffee in the morning.

FORT WALTON BEACH — When 5-year-old Anna Hock’s daddy was pulled over for speeding Tuesday night, she was terrified the officer was going to take him away.

The little Fort Walton Beach girl cried through the brief traffic stop. She cried for two hours after they got home. She woke up in the middle of the night, worrying, and cried some more.

Her parents, Kyle and Sarah, tried to reassure her.

“I explained to her that he’s a police officer and his job is to protect,” Sarah said. “They were protecting us and everyone around us because Daddy was going too fast.”

But Anna remained convinced and terrified.

The next morning when Kyle, who had gotten off with a warning, took her to school at First United Methodist Church, he explained why Anna was so tired.

Later that morning, Kyle and Sarah got texts from the school with photos of Anna sitting happily in a patrol car, hugging a police officer and posing with officers and the rest of her kindergarten class. The staff at the school had reached out to the Fort Walton Beach Police Department, which responded by sending officers Jeff O’Dell and Adam Dee to ease Anna’s fears.

“One of our major goals is to reach out to our schools and to give kids those one-on- one interactions that let them know we’re here to help,” Capt. Tracy Hart said.

Anna went from being afraid that her family was going to be taken to jail to considering law enforcement as a career.

“As a mom, it blessed me and it definitely touched my heart,” said Sarah, who posted a heartfelt thank you on the Police Department’s Facebook page. “I’m so thankful for our local police department and for her school.”

In some cities, yes, they are used daily. And on routine arrests.

Okay....I have personally never seen this happen or read where it did.

This is excessive display ...

Hey, Deckard, the next time you see the cops when you stop for coffee, ask them to let you sit in their crusier, turn of the flashing lights, tap the siren….and then give each one a big hug and thank them for their service.

I'll be waiting with bated breath for Deckard's after-action report.

Now I'm really excited.

You didn't watch the coverage of the Boston Marathon massacre where they ended up going door to door with a confined population, searching houses, riding in their armored vehicles and outfitted like combat soldiers?

All to apprehend a 19yo kid on foot that ended up cowering in a boat in someone's back yard?

Get off that shit of describing that terrorist as simply “a 19yo kid!”

Did they know he was on foot at the time? Did you read that?

He could have ended up anywhere, don’t make it sound so simplistic….please.

I did not find the use of the vehicles or the tactics to be excessive when hunting down the bastard….but then, that’s just me.

Hey, Deckard, the next time you see the cops when you stop for coffee, ask them to let you sit in their crusier, turn of the flashing lights, tap the siren….and then give each one a big hug and thank them for their service.

That's something more suitable for a badge-licker like you, wouldn't you say?

I have no interest in fondling cops - why do you?

I'll just stick with my plan and ignore them.

Okay....I have personally never seen this happen or read where it did.

You realize you just invited Deckard to post an endless stream of videos of cops in action with armored vehicles, don't you?

It isn't that unusual. There has been some real backlash in some town and I don't think it is quite as common as it was in the years after they greatly expanded the buy-an-armored-MRAP-for-$10 federal program. Which of course made certain congressmen very happy.

Even so, they haven't parked those armored vehicles. They are a little more circumspect in using them where the media or public might record them on camera or cellphone.

Also, I think that 0bama did some kind of rollback and made them return some of these vehicles. And some localities found out that even if the MRAP was virtually free under a grant program, that the parts and routine maintenance costs were very high. So I read, back when LP was still around, that a lot of them were gathering dust. Especially in the rural South where it seemed about half the sheriffs had scored one for almost nothing when the Iraq War started to wind down but the Pentagon had tons of them still coming off the assembly lines.

Here it is….click twice on the right arrow to see the kid hug the cop.

http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/20161202/officers- ease-girls-fear-of-police

Can you imagine Deckard doing that?

Your paranoid fear of the police is manifested in your unreasonable and uncontrollable hate for them.

No, I am not playing doctor.

Why yes - you are "playing doctor". And your diagnosis is bullshit like the rest of the swill you post here.

It certainly is not unreasonable to at least be wary of cops, ignore them whenever possible. And I have posted numerous times - I hate the bad ones. Unfortunately - you and others of your submissive ilk worship the ground they walk on.

In case you didn't get the memo - they are not your "friend".

They are no longer Peace Officers - they are called Law Enforcement now.

Which means that they are little more than revenue collectors for the State.

I view them the same way they view ALL citizens. As the enemy.

The pricks brought that upon themselves.

I posted a story about a "good" cop just the other day.

Never Forget: Hero Cop Who Blew Whistle on OKC Bombing Did NOT Commit Suicide

Guess you ignored that one.

“I explained to her that he’s a police officer and his job is to protect,” Sarah said.

Why would her mother lie to her like that?

I did not find the use of the vehicles or the tactics to be excessive when hunting down the bastard….but then, that’s just me.

Yeah - that's just you alright.

Gatlin - the Martial Law cheerleader.

It isn't that unusual.

Maybe it is the city and the neighborhood.

I have been in Scottsdale for over 40 years and I travel throughout Phoenix frequently.

Of course the area I live and travel in is virtually crime free.

I have never seen one in use or on the nightly news here.

I have read the Sheriff’s department has them, probably the local PD also….but I have never read that.

Gatlin - the Martial Law cheerleader.

No, Gatlin get the terrorist son of a bitch by any means necessary.

Whatever it takes ...

“I explained to her that he’s a police officer and his job is to protect,” Sarah said.

Why would her mother lie to her like that?

One good reason would be that she would not want her to turn into another Deckard asshole, afraid of cops and hating them for the rest of her life.

You notice that she is going to a private school in a church….maybe that is something you should try to relieve your anxiety and fear of cops….attend the church regularly.

I did not find the use of the vehicles or the tactics to be excessive when hunting down the bastard….but then, that’s just me.

Boston Martial Law: ‘They were confiscating guns from residents’

Get off that shit of describing that terrorist as simply “a 19yo kid!”

Did they know he was on foot at the time? Did you read that?

FBI Evidence Proves Innocence of Accused Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

Get off that shit of describing that terrorist as simply “a 19yo kid!”

Did they know he was on foot at the time? Did you read that?

They did learn that when Djokar (the yout') abandoned the vehicle he used to run over his brother, Tamerlane, with.

They terrorized an entire metro area and treated them like they were in a damned totalitarian hellhole for the better part of a day.

It's hard to imagine anything more damaging to the social fabric of Boston and the entire country than to see something so shameful on television.

Americans, cowering in their homes as their houses are searched by masked men in black combat gear. One of the most shameful things I've ever seen in this country.

I know they're only MAssholes but you expect at least a little pride and backbone even in such a pussified state as that.

Someone needs to tell you….although it will do no good

Gatlin - the Martial Law cheerleader.

No, Gatlin get the terrorist son of a bitch by any means necessary.

Whatever it takes ...

Yeah - who the hell needs their 4th Amendment rights anyways?

This is America you fascist POS!

FBI Evidence Proves Innocence of Accused Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

He was not innocent at all. He would have been executed but for the usual trickery of the MAsshole court system and MAsshole pols.

This is one of those events that people seem to quickly forget the details of. They pay a lot of attention at the time and soak up the details but somehow it doesn't register in their longterm memory and within a year or two, they seem to forget entirely many of the key facts about the case.

They did learn that when Djokar (the yout') abandoned the vehicle he used to run over his brother, Tamerlane, with.

Ah, but they did not know that he did not steal a vehicle or have access to another vehicle. In fact, they did not know the number of people they were dealing with at the time, right?

He had friends who destroyed his computer, they could have given him access to a vehicle

I can pretty much guarantee you that the cops did not say, don’t worry about checking any vehicles….he is definitely on foot.

Ya think?

This is America you fascist POS!

And he was a terrorist who had just killed Americans you libertarian bastard.

He was not innocent at all.

Missing Evidence of Prior FBI Relationship with Boston Bomber

Justice denied: Tsarnaev’s own lawyer ignores evidence he is innocent of Boston bombing

The clearest evidence that they knew he was on foot and still in Boston was in how they chose to conduct the search and to deploy all of their manpower. They went door to door, they checked sheds and boats stored in backyards. You would only do that if you were quite certain that the suspect was on foot and had had no chance to get a fresh vehicle.

Those cops don't look like they're trying to stop a car with Djokhar in it.

And he was a terrorist who had just killed Americans you libertarian bastard.

Martial Law for an entire city to go after ONE single "terrorist"?

Yeah - that is typical for you.

Oh, BTW - he was a patsy.

False flag theater: Boston bombing involves clearly staged carnage

Boston Marathon bomber's wait on death row likely to be a long one

God, I hope not ...

Oh, BTW - he was a patsy.

Bullshit....you CT freak!

While there is significant evidence supporting the accused Boston bomber’s innocence, none of it made it into his trial, which just concluded with guilty verdicts on all 30 counts against him. It seems that law enforcement, the media, and especially Tsarnaev’s own lawyer, Judy Clarke, were focused on suppressing any evidence that could have undermined the official story of the bombing. The truth has been covered up just as effectively as it was the day Lee Harvey Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby.

Clarke insured Tsarnaev’s conviction when she opened the trial by admitting that he had carried out the bombing on April 15, 2013 with his brother, 26-year-old Tamerlan, who was killed in the aftermath. Clarke painted Tamerlan as the instigator in an apparent effort to spare Dzhokhar from execution, but that may happen anyway as the trial now enters the sentencing phase.

Clarke is known for her ability to keep her clients off death row (including Unabomber Ted Kaczyinski; alleged 9/11 conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui; and Jared Loughner, who was convicted of shooting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords), but given the weakness of the evidence against Tsarnaev, Clarke’s strategy amounted to throwing in the towel before the trial even started.

But what about making the prosecution prove guilt? To say that Clarke could have created reasonable doubt if she had wanted to is an understatement. In this article, we’ll look at the evidence that should have been introduced at Tsarnaev’s trial but wasn’t (Keep in mind that Dzhokhar had claimed his innocence, which conflicted with the supposed confession he wrote on the inside of the boat where he was captured on April 19, four days after the bombing).

...Boston Bomber

Maybe I shouldn't have brought it up.

We've gone far afield from the topic of this thread.

If we've run out of things to say on the article/topic of this thread, we should start another and not just chit-chat/spat away on this thread.

Some forums have a feature where mods can close a thread and lock it. LF would benefit from that, well, if Stone was willing to do that much moderation.

We might have reached that point.

CT freak!

Those looking for a quick and painless way to dismiss uncomfortable facts need look no further than any of thousands of pundits and news anchors who have already told you what to think about “conspiracy theorists.” You’ve heard that they start with a conclusion and make the evidence fit their preconceived notions, they find real life too boring so they invent elaborate stories to spice things up, or that the idea of random terror is so, well, terrifying that they need to have a “grand theory” to make the world seem safer and more manageable.

These themes originated with the CIA 47 years ago, when they released a plan to stomp out alternative views about the JFK assassination. The plan includes a recommendation to “employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics”

Our assets should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories.

Although lacking any grounding in fact, these criticisms of researchers who question the government’s story have been repeated so often by both mainstream and alternative sources, that they are now believed by many gullible people.

Does the idea of the US government using actors to play the role of victims in fake terror attacks seem impossibly far-fetched?

An article from 2003 described the Department of Homeland Security running exercises with “make-believe victims seeking medical treatment. Volunteers and professional actors will play the roles of victims…”  Unfortunately the article is no longer online.

Consider this Actor Waiver Form for a Homeland Security Exercise.  I found this form on the Department of Homeland Security website but the page is now “currently unavailable due to system modifications.”  However it can be viewed here.

Or, these going after him …

If I were a cop that day, I rather be like those in the top piciture….but then, that’s just me.

You may have a preference for shot sleeves …

if Stone was willing to do that much moderation.

I haven't seen Stone around here for quite a while. His latest post was Tuesday.

I think he may be losing interest in the site.

“conspiracy theorists.”

Conspiracy theorists low life eat shit …

If I were a cop that day, I rather be like those in the top piciture….but then, that’s just me.

You're missing the point.

The entire city of Boston was under de facto Martial Law!

That you see nothing wrong with that is troubling.

I think he may be losing interest in the site.

How could that be with Gatlin around always adding valuable insights and provoking deep and introspective thought (cough).

Conspiracy theorists low life eat shit …

You sure got that CIA narrative down pat comrade.

Your refusal to consider anything but the "official" gooberment narrative on events like the Boston Bombing or 9/11 is quite pathetic actually.

How could that be with Gatlin around always adding valuable insights and provoking deep and introspective thought (cough).

He's really outed himself on this thread.

His fascist tendencies and hatred for the Constitution can no longer be denied.

he was a terrorist

You're a free-range global terrorist!

They knew that they were looking for one individual at the time….but they had not yet determined how many others were involved.

Am I right about that?

So, they really did not know what to expect.

If I were the Chief, I would say, “Go in with maximum protection.”

Like they were doing.

I still see nothing wrong in their tactic or improper use of resources.

He's really outed himself on this thread.

Nah, I’m the same.

I still don’t hate cops and I don’t love terrorists.

Why do you?

His fascist tendencies ...

Pot <> Kettle = Black.

Is rightwing libertarianism the new fascism?

Your refusal to consider anything but the "official" gooberment narrative on events like the Boston Bombing or 9/11 is quite pathetic actually.

No, but I will trust them more than I ever will you lying CT Freaks.

I haven't seen Stone around here for quite a while. His latest post was Tuesday.

I think he may be losing interest in the site.

He told us he barely has the time to check in here because he's been so busy at work this spring. He looks in but doesn't take the time to write posts.

They knew that they were looking for one individual at the time….but they had not yet determined how many others were involved.

Am I right about that?

I'm not sure what time of day that photo of jackboots riding an armored vehicle was taken so I can't say what they knew at the time of the photo.

However, due to their use of cameras on the crowd, the cops identified both Tamerlane and Djokar within several hours.

They knew early on that they were searching for a scared untrained 19yo pussyboy almost certainly on foot and still in Boston who had already run over his handler, his older brother Tamerlane.

Is rightwing libertarianism the new fascism?

You finally managed to tie it all to libertarians.

Nice work.

The entire city of Boston was under de facto Martial Law!
That you see nothing wrong with that is troubling.

The imposition of martial law accompanies curfews; the suspension of civil law, civil rights, and habeas corpus; and the application or extension of military law or military justice to civilians.

So, the response you label “police state tactics” once the suspect was located in a specific area was actually a tactical response that one would expect anytime in any city where the threat of further bombs or attacks could be made on the public or police. The authorities knew they were looking for one man at that time, they had no idea if others may be involved of if follow on attacks were planned and about to happen. The police had to be prepared to expect the unexpected. The police did and they did a fine job.

The fact that you always immediately mislabel everything any government official does or the action they take is what should be troubling to you. You need to step out of your panic mode, step back to look at things properly and in their correct perspective….before you always step forward into your own shit.

Doesn’t that get tiring to you….having to always clean you shoes off?

Is rightwing libertarianism the new fascism?

You finally managed to tie it all to libertarians.

Nice work.

I guess it did.

Deckard called a a fascist and the title of that article was an easy one for me to remember to look up and counter attack with.

However, due to their use of cameras on the crowd, the cops identified both Tamerlane and Djokar within several hours.

They knew early on that they were searching for a scared untrained 19yo pussyboy almost certainly on foot and still in Boston who had already run over his handler, his older brother Tamerlane.

I agree with the first part. I remember that well. I was glued to the TV, as were so many.

So I knew who they had identified and who they were actively seeking at the time….but they had never decided that the two were the only individuals solely responsible and no one else was involved or if there would be follow on bombings.

The way I saw it …

I have been thinking about Boston and trying to lean the way it looks to me like you are thinking.

I still can’t see their tactics and equipment as an overreaction….maybe it is still the military training in me after all these years. I can’t see it any differently. I would want full protection for my troops and I would use everything I had available to protect them.

Just a footnote, because I am still thinking about it …

I have been thinking about Boston and trying to lean the way it looks to me like you are thinking.

I still can’t see their tactics and equipment as an overreaction….maybe it is still the military training in me after all these years. I can’t see it any differently. I would want full protection for my troops and I would use everything I had available to protect them.

I don't object if the cops are going in to arrest known and very violent felons and drug gangs like MS-13 or biker gangs with criminal gang connections like the ones that congregated and had that big shootout at that restaurant in Texas a few years ago. Yes, armored vehicles should be used in those circumstances.

So I can see them using these in gang hotbeds like Chicago or even L.A.

But for ordinary arrests? I don't think so.

Admittedly, there was a lot more use of these vehicles for ordinary arrests when they were brand-new shiny (and free) toys that local cops got for almost nothing from the feds. And the use of them has dropped off somewhat as they've faced the maintenance costs and public backlash from seeing them in use for day-to-day policing and even for simple serving of warrants. Even so, I think they still use them more than they need to.

We don't want militarized police agencies in this country. What we want are peace officers, trained and capable.

This is not the fault of the individual policemen as much as it is a system that gives ABSOLUTE cover and protection for any and all cops caught operating out of limits.

If you want to see this stop,insist your local PD go after the criminals in uniform and give them stiffer sentences than the typical criminal caught committing the same crimes.

This sort of thing only continues because WE ALLOW it to continue. Police Chief is a political position. So is your local Mayor and/or the members of your local county board of commissioners,and the judges and DA's. Make them ALL aware that they put the cops on a reign or you will put them in the unemployment line,and things will change rapidly. Don't do this,and it only gets worse.

If I were the Chief, I would say, “Go in with maximum protection.”

Like they were doing.

I still see nothing wrong in their tactic or improper use of resources.

Well,if *I* were the bad guy,I'd be getting wood over how bunched up and out in the open they are. I could easily take 3 or 4 of them down before they even began to react.

NOTHING says "Smart" like lining up out in the open and above the heads of the crowd while riding on the outside of a armored car!

I sometimes wonder who the tactical geniuses are who come up with this crap,and how retarded the cops have to be to go along with it.

But,what the hell do I know. I'm just a "civilian".

So I knew who they had identified and who they were actively seeking at the time….but they had never decided that the two were the only individuals solely responsible and no one else was involved or if there would be follow on bombings.

They had no idea who and what they were dealing with. Even if they had intel telling them it was those two losers,they had no way of knowing the 2 losers weren't unknowingly being used as pawns to draw 1st responders and LEO's into an ambush.

NOTHING says "Smart" like lining up out in the open and above the heads of the crowd while riding on the outside of a armored car!

I sometimes wonder who the tactical geniuses are who come up with this crap,and how retarded the cops have to be to go along with it.

I recall others saying the same thing at the time of the Boston Massacre.

Apparently, Boston is one of the places where they have very few combat vets on the police force.

But for ordinary arrests? I don't think so.

We don't want militarized police agencies in this country. What we want are peace officers, trained and capable.

Some say it is overkill when SWAT is used to raid a house and finds only one joint. That I disagree with. There was sufficient reason to believe something was going on to even send swat. The cops never know what to expect when they enter a place. We have read cases where the first cop in gets shot. It has been stated that the cops should have staked the place out for a couple weeks before the warrant was served. Cops do not have the man power to do that.

When cops enter the wrong address and bad things happen, then the cops should be admonished in some way an financial restitution should immediately be made. When cops enter the right address and do the wrong thing….the same. But when the cops enter the right address, follow procedures and the perp does the wrong thing….then I say fine, he had it coming. To what degree, would depend on the individual case. I don’t see where I am wrong about this. If it is intelligently, logically or lawfully pointed out that I am wrong, then I will change me way of thinking on it.

There are those who have the attitude that every time cops raid a home, their reason is always wrong and the cops do everything wrong. That I cannot understand and I categorically label that person as a cop-hater for his warped and illogical mindset.

I digress, but following the mental mindset I am discussing, something Deckard posted today just came to mind. When the mother of the 5-year-old girl in Fort Walton Beach was trying to calm the upset girl explained to her that police are here to serve the public, Deckard asked “why is that mother lying to the child.” What did he want that mother to do, nothing and let the kid live with the fear of police in trauma the rest of her life? Actually, I seriously believe he would. And to me, that is a sick way to think. I thought the school acted properly and the police reacted marvelously when the 2 officers went to the school, talked to the little girl, let he explore their cruiser and the little girl gave them a hug at the end. Now that was a great story to me.

Some say it is overkill when SWAT is used to raid a house and finds only one joint. That I disagree with. There was sufficient reason to believe something was going on to even send swat. The cops never know what to expect when they enter a place. We have read cases where the first cop in gets shot. It has been stated that the cops should have staked the place out for a couple weeks before the warrant was served. Cops do not have the man power to do that.

Just recall all the times these supposed highly-trained SWAT teams have raided the wrong house, sometimes shooting the residents and usually shooting any dog in the house. All because they couldn't find the right address before busting down doors with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night. Let's recall one example.

CNN, 2008: Mayor wants federal probe after SWAT raids house, kills dogs

I favor more effective policing and holding the police accountable.

So do you favor using SWAT, armored vehicles and a militarized police unit in masks when they can't even find the proper address? Would you excuse it if it was your home raided and your dog shot? No, you wouldn't.

When cops enter the wrong address and bad things happen, then the cops should be admonished in some way an financial restitution should immediately be made.

No. They should be prosecuted as home invaders to the full extent of the law. Only by holding them accountable will you ever stop these abuses. And it would only take a few well-publicized cases for all of them to get the message very clearly.

There are those who have the attitude that every time cops raid a home, their reason is always wrong and the cops do everything wrong. That I cannot understand and I categorically label that person as a cop-hater for his warped and illogical mindset.

I agree. But that doesn't excuse rampant police abuse and gross incompetence when it does occur with defined regularity.

Admittedly, there has been some decline in these kinds of cases over the years because of so many lawsuits and hard feelings from the public toward the police over bad raids. The cops know they've really screwed the pooch and the police chiefs know how bad such a false raid looks on their resume and that they'll get it thrown into their faces over and over as long as they are on the force. And they should have to answer for their gross carelessness and mistakes, just like anyone else.

Just recall all the times these supposed highly-trained SWAT teams have raided the wrong house, sometimes shooting the residents and usually shooting any dog in the house. All because they couldn't find the right address before busting down doors with no-knock warrants in the middle of the night.

Let's recall one example.

Furthermore, since we are delving deeply into the nitty gritty here, then “one” example does not a point make….while percentage of total can.

Fortunately, you are in a very tiny minority of those who will defend such abuses or try to offer mealymouthed excuses for their gross incompetence.

Don't expect me to do your homework for you. These cases are pretty well known. I just offered up the worst one I can recall offhand but there are many many more. LP used to have regular articles on it, posted by some guy called Infowarrior.

"WATCH: Cops Raid Innocent Marine Vet’s Home as He Slept, Beat Him in Bed"

Did the cops raid his home because he was innocent? Or because he was a Marine? Or a veteran? Or because he was sleeping? Did they beat him because he was in bed?

If the answers to these questions is "no" (which it is), then there is no reason to mention them -- especially in the headline.

So do you favor using SWAT, armored vehicles and a militarized police unit in masks when they can't even find the proper address?

An armored vehicle and SWAT team [I denounce the use of “militarized police” units as I believe the wording is used to intentionally paint a prejudicial picture] should be used when the Police Chief or Sheriff deems ansolutely necessary. If they are not doing their job properly and using the equipment and personnel improperly or excessively. then it is up to the public to see the Police Chief and Sheriff are replaced. And through the loud mouth of social media this day and time, the public has absolute control of doing that.

Would you excuse it if it was your home raided and your dog shot? No, you wouldn't.

They should be prosecuted as home invaders to the full extent of the law. Only by holding them accountable will you ever stop these abuses. And it would only take a few well-publicized cases for all of them to get the message very clearly.

…. that doesn't excuse rampant police abuse and gross incompetence when it does occur with defined regularity.

But who gets to define “rampant police abuse, gross incompetence and regularity?” I really hope you wouldn’t use Deckard as an authority for doing this.

Do you have evidence to show that “rampant police abuse , gross incompetence are happing regularly?” I don’t, I see isolated cases happening from time to time. That’s all, nothing rampant….using an assumed definition of rampant.

And they should have to answer for their gross carelessness and mistakes, just like anyone else.

Come on, Deckard….get real for me.

I'm not Deckard.

Sadly, that was closer to accurate than most of your meandering excuses for police incompetence.

After a certain number of cases across the country, it isn't "just a mistake". It is incompetence with deliberate malice to the well-being and safety of the public.

I guess that's about the best you can do to defend these dumbass cops who can't even find the correct house number on a warrant, bust down the door, throw everyone to the floor while pointing guns at little kids and then shoot their dogs.

Fortunately, you are in a very tiny minority of those who will defend such abuses or try to offer mealymouthed excuses for their gross incompetence.

Don't expect me to do your homework for you. These cases are pretty well known. I just offered up the worst one I can recall offhand but there are many many more. LP used to have regular articles on it, posted by some guy called Infowarrior.

Sure, some cases are pretty well known. “Many many” should be considered relative to the number of the many many many many actions executes. One in ten is many many….one in ten thousand should not, and can not, be considered many many.

Some asshole called Infowarrior posting regular article at LP justified or proved exactly….what?

Come on, Deckard….get real for me.

I'm not Deckard.

You were really starting to sound like him.

I regret you find that offensive …

Some asshole called Infowarrior posting regular article at LP justified or proved exactly….what?

You don't know? Now that's actually pretty funny.

I didn't LOL but I did give a toothy grin reading that.

After a certain number of cases across the country …

“After a certain number….there you go again with this relative number shit.

A number out of how many numbers? One in ten….one in ten thousand?

… It is incompetence with deliberate malice to the well-being and safety of the public.

Oh, geeeze.

Let’s now go to YouTube to find the sympathetic soft violin music playing in the background …

By all means, defend it until you are blue in the face.

Good luck with all that.

I'm done here.

Some asshole called Infowarrior posting regular article at LP justified or proved exactly….what?

You don't know? Now that's actually pretty funny.

I didn't LOL but I did give a toothy grin reading that.

I assumed that you didn’t know, I though you were serious when you posted it.

We both now gave a toothy grin …

You can spend all day defending the rights of masked SWAT teams in combat gear with assault weapons breaking down doors in the middle of the night, threatening to shoot (or shooting) the adults, pointing guns at the kids and terrifying them and then shooting their dogs before they finally realize they invaded the wrong house. Then they say, "Sorry.".

By all means, defend it until you are blue in the face.

Good luck with all that.

I'm done here.

Have a nice day….meant sincerely, and not tongue in cheek.

Catch you on another thread …