"Del Valle shouts repeatedly, “Call my lawyer!”

And who is "his" lawyer? None other than Izaak Schwaiger, "who has carved a niche as a go-to lawyer on police brutality cases".

What a coincidence.

" As for Del Valle, after he was severely beaten by Thorne — for no reason — he was then arrested and brought to jail. However, once police attempted to charge him with something, they realized they had no evidence of him committing a crime, so he was let go. "

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

But he was tazed & beaten simply because he had insulted the cops ego. HOW DARE HE ???

According to the Press Democrat, a spokesman for Sheriff Steve Freitas could not comment on the cellphone video but agreed the deputies’ three videos raised concerns from the start about excessive force. After watching them, department brass immediately turned the case over to Santa Rosa police for criminal investigation, Sgt. Spencer Crum said.

“We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

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Not just one job but JOBS. Haw many? Who knows.

What other profession allows you to be fired from a job for beating people up and then going to the next town and getting the same job?

Why is it you never see these assholes jailed AFTER they have been fired?

“We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

They've thrown him under the bus.

This is yet one more example of a bad cop moving from jurisdiction to jurisdiction after getting into trouble. I've often thought this is likely a very underreported aspect of these kinds of cases.

This is why I have always advocated for bonding or requiring cops to carry their own liability insurance. When a cop is covered by a town or county insurance policy, they don't pay a personal price or see their own "malpractice" insurance rates rise. And the taxpayers always get punished for the misdeeds of the minority of bad cops that their local agency employs.

Why is it you never see these assholes jailed AFTER they have been fired?

If you did something like that, you might see corrupt prosecutors in jail along with them.

The system protects itself. Judges, prosecutors, cops, review boards, they all cover each others' asses, just like a criminal gang.

Hey, Deckard …

The police officer in the video you posted shot and killed a Navy vet.

Now a Vietnam vet in the video I post here shot and killed a police officer.

Some may say that kinda evens things up….huh?

Notice how many the police officer in the second video kept repeatedly yelling to the Vietnam vet to “put the gun down.”

Unfortunately, the police officer told the Vietnam vet one too many times to put the gun down….and lost life for being too patient and too reserve.

The police officer should never have told the Vietnam vet one even time to put the gun down….the police officer should have shot the son of a bitch immediately when the Vietnam vet pulled gun.

Wiki: Murder of Kyle Dinkheller

He was 22. His only son was born 8 months after he died so at least he didn't win a Darwin Award but he really should have shot sooner. No one would have faulted him.

His killer was finally executed in 2015. Long overdue. And confining him for 15 years cost the taxpayers at least a half-million and that's before you get to all the endless legal expenses for all his appeals.

The graphic account [posted in the article o this thread]] of an officer- involved shooting from August 30, 2016, serves to illustrate the failures of modern-day policing, officer training, and complexities of demanding 100 percent compliance of the general population during a traffic stop. From the just released dash camera footage of Bell County, Texas Sheriff’s Cpl. Shane Geers, one can see the officer was in pursuit of a small dark colored SUV, sirens blazing.

Paraphrasing: A replay of the graphic video below of a Vietnam vet involved shooting serves to illustrate the failure of modern-day policing, officer training, and complexities of not requiring 100 percent compliance with an individual to follow instructions during a traffic stop. From the dash camera footage of Laurens County Sheriff's Kyle Dinkheller. one can see what happened when a law enforcement officer wait too long before …

The action in this video was fortunately captured on a personal video recorder Deputy Dinkheller had placed on his patrol car dashboard and activated when he pulled over motorist Vietnam veteran Andrew Howard Brannan for speeding

This video and Dinkheller’s murder continues to get national attention and serves as a trining film in police academies across the country.

In the shootout, Dinkheller was armed with his semi-automatic service handgun, and Brannan had an M1 Carbine rifle. Dinkheller shot and wounded Brannan. Despite this, Brannan fired the rifle, reloaded it, fired a lethal shot into Dinkheller's eye, and fled the scene in his Toyota truck. The next morning, police found Brannan still in Laurens County, Georgia, hiding in a sleeping bag beneath a camouflage tarp. Police arrested Brannan for the murder of Deputy Kyle Dinkheller.

Brannan pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, claiming in part that he suffered from posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) stemming from his military service as a soldier in the Vietnam War. Because Deputy Dinkheller's video recorded most of Brannan's actions, the jury found he murdered Dinkheller in a premeditated, torturous, and cruel manner.

Two years following the murder, the jury found Brannan guilty of murder. Brannan was sentenced to death and the State of Georgia executed Brannan by lethal injection.

The man in the SUV was 59-year-old, Lyle P. Blanchard, a US Navy veteran. While it appears Geers was following a vehicle traveling at a high rate of speed, the two vehicles weren’t going all that fast. Geers must have noticed an officer was following him, so he decided to pull over, as nearly all driver’s education courses teach us to do. That’s where the story begins, but it does not end that way for either man.

If you have never seen this video, it is a must. If you have seen it, it is worth seeing again …

.... posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) ...

There seems to be way too much of this shit going around.

Some of it of course is tragically true.

But I wonder how many are just using it as a cop out.

Thanks …

You always have far too many “hate-cop” threads going on at once.

How about limiting them to one a day so that we all need no be continually jumping back and forth and sometime posting on the wrong thread….as I just did.

But, what the Hell…the my message is befitting for both your threads …

It is equally tragic when an innocent civilian is needlessly gunned down by an over zealous officer!

How about limiting them to one a day so that we all need no be continually jumping back and forth and sometime posting on the wrong thread….as I just did.

Don't blame me for your idiocy asshole.

I’ll tear this article to shreds,

Gee, I think not - unless you want to defend a cop who has already been fired for his egregious behavior in this case.

After watching the videos, department brass immediately turned the case over to Santa Rosa police for criminal investigation... “We acted very swiftly and Scott Thorne was no longer employed by us,” Crum said. “We are very concerned this is an excessive force case. We acknowledged it from Day One.”

As the Press Democrat revealed in their investigation, Thorne should’ve never been a cop as he’d been fired from previous jobs over his track record of excessive force.

Read that again Gatslime - fired from not just one job but JOBS. How many? More than one obviously - 3, 4? Probably at least.

What other profession allows you to be fired from a job for beating people up and then going to the next town and getting the same job? Certainly not the military. Certainly not any job field that I know of.

And you really want to keep defending this POS when his own employers won't?

This is a big part of the problem - why is it you never see these assholes JAILED after they have been fired? Instead they just sign on with another PD and continue the same abuse.

… Marine Corps veteran was tasered and severely beaten …

But the point I want to make here is that these fake news and yellow journalism always mention the military association with the perp but never mention the military association of the law enforcement officer(s).

Had the author done this, the lead in to this article would probably been written as …

A Marine Corps veteran police officer tasered and severely beat a Marine Corps veteran as he lay in bed.

The majority of law enforcement officers are ex-military and many are still active in the reserves or National Guard.

I’ll tear this article to shreds,

Gee, I think not - unless you want to defend a cop who has already been fired for his egregious behavior in this case.

If that’s the case, then you may finally have been the “blind squirrel that did find an acorn.”

It’s about damned time you did….after all of the trashy lies you have continually posted.

But, I will be the one who decides….it will definitely not be you.

Your warped judgment can never even be considered.

I will let you know what I find …

This video and Dinkheller’s murder continues to get national attention and serves as a training film in police academies across the country.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if it wasn't used that way.

Along with a speech about a cop's duty to survive the day's work and go home to his family. And to preserve his own life so he can report for work and keep the public safe again tomorrow.

There seems to be way too much of this shit going around.

They've greatly expanded this category. Now it includes rape victims, assault victims, stalking victims, etc. And the Snowflake crowd that gets "triggered" over someone farting near them.

These vague categories invite volunteer "victims". After all, it's pretty hard for white people to be Victim Du Jour unless they can claim autism/ADHD/bipolar/manic-depressive/PTSD/transgender/gay.

If you could find a way to claim all of those at once, you'd really have a good racket, eh?

The majority of law enforcement officers are ex-military...

No, they aren't. You are trying to make a claim that ex-soldiers make good cops. It ain't necessarily so.

Soldiers have a combat mindset, a trait we are starting to see too much of in modern policing. Cops are not soldiers.

Add to that - many if not most police departments have been hyper-militarized. Cops are taking on tactics of soldiers, armored vehicles, military-style uniforms, military mindset where all citizens are viewed as criminals.

Either way - the military "culture" seen in most police departments has a dangerously influential impact on law enforcement.

How the War on Terror Has Militarized the Police

The most serious consequence of the rapid militarization of American police forces, however, is the subtle evolution in the mentality of the "men in blue" from "peace officer" to soldier. This development is absolutely critical and represents a fundamental change in the nature of law enforcement. The primary mission of a police officer traditionally has been to "keep the peace."

Those whom an officer suspects to have committed a crime are treated as just that - suspects. Police officers are expected, under the rule of law, to protect the civil liberties of all citizens, even the "bad guys." For domestic law enforcement, a suspect in custody remains innocent until proven guilty. Moreover, police officers operate among a largely friendly population and have traditionally been trained to solve problems using a complex legal system; the deployment of lethal violence is an absolute last resort.

Soldiers, by contrast, are trained to identify people they encounter as belonging to one of two groups -- the enemy and the non-enemy -- and they often reach this decision while surrounded by a population that considers the soldier an occupying force. Once this identification is made, a soldier's mission is stark and simple: kill the enemy, "try" not to kill the non-enemy. Indeed, the Soldier's Creed declares, "I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat." This is a far cry from the peace officer's creed that expects its adherents "to protect and serve."  

...a cop's duty to survive the day's work and go home to his family. And to preserve his own life so he can report for work and keep the public safe again tomorrow.

The new definition of "hero".

... you'd really have a good racket, eh?

They probably are making all kinds of monetary claims for this "disability" …

My brother came back for the “Big War.” I could take my slingshot and hit three neighbors who also came back from the war. I was in ag classes (FFA) in high school for 4 years and I assisted the ag teacher one week a night in the ag building and shop where 20 or so local WWII vets came to ag classes under the GI Bill.

I became friendly with them and got to know them rather well. I never heard of anyone becoming an alcoholic or drug addict [of course recreational drugs were unknown in those days]. No one ever heard of or knew anything about PTSD. The only thing, and it was not considered strange, no one ever talked about what they did in the war and I never asked.

I compare those days and those vets with today when everyone and his brother, whether they were ever in a combat zone or not claims to be suffering from PTSD. Not too long ago, I read about a personnel clerk who had always been stateside was said to be suffering from PTSD.

They all seem to be getting away with it, although no doubt some really are truly troubled by it.

Funny True Story: I kid you not, my wife recently asked me to do a long ard arduous heavy duty chore. I had just finished reading about the personnel clerk and his PTSD. I told my wife that I couldn’t do the chore because I had developed PTSD….it didn’t work for me.

The new definition of "hero".

I don't appreciate your sarcasm.

I meant what I said.

There is too much cop worship in this country and too much deference to almost anything they do. But what I said is still true.

When these guys ….

Became these guys …

But that’s something you can’t understand …

The only thing, and it was not considered strange, no one ever talked about what they did in the war and I never asked.

That generation knew better than to dwell on hardships. They grew up in the Depression and survived the war. They knew better.

I told my wife that I couldn’t do the chore because I had developed PTSD….it didn’t work for me.

Keep watching Deckard's videos and take an acting class at the local community college.

I don't appreciate your sarcasm.

I meant what I said.

Sarcasm? Not really - I know you meant what you said even thought your post could have been construed as sarcasm too.

There is too much cop worship in this country and too much deference to almost anything they do.

I've made that point several times.

How the War on Terror Has Militarized the Police

It has not….militarization of police forces has simply become the latest buzz phrase for cop-haters.

Keep watching Deckard's videos and take an acting class at the local community college.

Funny ...

...militarization of police forces has simply become the latest buzz phrase for cop-haters.

How many police departments had armored vehicles before the WOT started?

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

‘Do Not Resist’: A chilling look at the normalization of warrior cops

They don't need those things on a daily basis. It invites abuse and a heavy-handed approach to the public.

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

What would you have to piss and moan about….oh, you would find something, no doubt.

I want Congress to force them to park those at local National Guard armories unless a governor okays their use in a state of emergency or to apprehend violent drug gangs or jihadis.

They don't need those things on a daily basis. It invites abuse and a heavy-handed approach to the public.

If they are parked at a local National Guard armory, that can be many miles away and it may take hours to locate the guy with a key during night time hours. The armories I know are not manned 24/7.

How is a governor better qualified to say when they should or should not be used that a local Police Chief of Sheriff?

“Invites” a nebulous term….if there is actual abuse, then it must be dealt with.

Your position makes no sense to me….it obviously does to you.

I miss the days when Amerika wasn't a police state.

What would you have to piss and moan about….

What's reprehensible is that a so-called American citizen like yourself is a pom-pom waving cheerleader who applauds the rise of the Amerikan police state.

I want Congress to force them to park those at local National Guard armories unless a governor okays their use in a state of emergency or to apprehend violent drug gangs or jihadis.

That would be one option.

The problem now is that they are using these military vehicles to go after those with parking tickets or a kid in possession of a gram of pot.

If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything is treated as a nail.

… the rise of the Amerikan police state.

Only in your conspiracy theory diseased mind where fantasies rule.

It’s a product of your warped imagination developed from reading too many articles it TFTP.

There is no such real place …

The problem now is that they are using these military vehicles to go after those with parking tickets or a kid in possession of a gram of pot.

Bullshit.

Your phantasies have taken complete control of your reasoning.

Military vehicles are not used that way …

If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything is treated as a nail.

Try again….this time make sense.

What did some cop do to you that you didn’t really deserve?

The problem now is that they are using these military vehicles to go after those with parking tickets...

How about for exercising their First Amendment rights?

Regardless how one feels about making an obscene gesture towards police officers, the bottom line is that such a gesture is a protected constitutional right and nobody should be harassed for it, especially by heavily armed thuggish individuals riding around in what appears to be a tank through downtown Gainesville, Florida.

Watch video below:

What is not understandable is why you have such a deep seated fear of the police and an uncontrollable hatred for cops.

It's not unreasonable to fear the police, even if you have done nothing wrong. It's best to avoid them and shun them when they approach you in a business.

I see cops pretty much every morning when I stop for coffee - I just ignore them.

As we have seen time and time again, cops often get away with killing innocent American citizens - it's almost a daily occurrence.

I don't hate all cops - just the bad ones.

In fact I posted a story about a "good" cop just the other day.

Never Forget: Hero Cop Who Blew Whistle on OKC Bombing Did NOT Commit Suicide

If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything is treated as a nail.

Exactly so. And they want to hit everything with that sledgehammer.

Military vehicles are not used that way …

You didn't watch the coverage of the Boston Marathon massacre where they ended up going door to door with a confined population, searching houses, riding in their armored vehicles and outfitted like combat soldiers?

All to apprehend a 19yo kid on foot that ended up cowering in a boat in someone's back yard?

The police should not be militarized. Leave such things to the National Guard and under the control of the governors.

They are not used on a daily basis….that I know of, do you?

In some cities, yes, they are used daily. And on routine arrests. It seems this is more true in the most liberal areas though you see it in some conservative areas in the South too.

If they are parked at a local National Guard armory, that can be many miles away and it may take hours to locate the guy with a key during night time hours. The armories I know are not manned 24/7.

I thought you were saying they're rarely used?

The armories in my state are manned. And any armory in the country can be available on short notice to respond to natural disasters so they could roll out the local commander or a ranking subordinate to unlock the vehicle for the cops. So this is very doable anywhere in America.

What is not understandable is why you have such a deep seated fear of the police and an uncontrollable hatred for cops.

It's not unreasonable to fear the police …

No, I am not playing doctor.

One need not be a psychiatrist to recognize your malady, it is visibly evident to everyone who reads your article and posts you make.

Here is something that worked for a 5-year-old girl….and you can experience something similar the next time you see cops when you stop for coffee in the morning.

FORT WALTON BEACH — When 5-year-old Anna Hock’s daddy was pulled over for speeding Tuesday night, she was terrified the officer was going to take him away.

The little Fort Walton Beach girl cried through the brief traffic stop. She cried for two hours after they got home. She woke up in the middle of the night, worrying, and cried some more.

Her parents, Kyle and Sarah, tried to reassure her.

“I explained to her that he’s a police officer and his job is to protect,” Sarah said. “They were protecting us and everyone around us because Daddy was going too fast.”

But Anna remained convinced and terrified.

The next morning when Kyle, who had gotten off with a warning, took her to school at First United Methodist Church, he explained why Anna was so tired.

Later that morning, Kyle and Sarah got texts from the school with photos of Anna sitting happily in a patrol car, hugging a police officer and posing with officers and the rest of her kindergarten class. The staff at the school had reached out to the Fort Walton Beach Police Department, which responded by sending officers Jeff O’Dell and Adam Dee to ease Anna’s fears.

“One of our major goals is to reach out to our schools and to give kids those one-on- one interactions that let them know we’re here to help,” Capt. Tracy Hart said.

Anna went from being afraid that her family was going to be taken to jail to considering law enforcement as a career.

“As a mom, it blessed me and it definitely touched my heart,” said Sarah, who posted a heartfelt thank you on the Police Department’s Facebook page. “I’m so thankful for our local police department and for her school.”

In some cities, yes, they are used daily. And on routine arrests.

Okay....I have personally never seen this happen or read where it did.

This is excessive display ...

Hey, Deckard, the next time you see the cops when you stop for coffee, ask them to let you sit in their crusier, turn of the flashing lights, tap the siren….and then give each one a big hug and thank them for their service.

I'll be waiting with bated breath for Deckard's after-action report.

Now I'm really excited.

You didn't watch the coverage of the Boston Marathon massacre where they ended up going door to door with a confined population, searching houses, riding in their armored vehicles and outfitted like combat soldiers?

All to apprehend a 19yo kid on foot that ended up cowering in a boat in someone's back yard?

Get off that shit of describing that terrorist as simply “a 19yo kid!”

Did they know he was on foot at the time? Did you read that?

He could have ended up anywhere, don’t make it sound so simplistic….please.

I did not find the use of the vehicles or the tactics to be excessive when hunting down the bastard….but then, that’s just me.