I also think that the beach rules should be prominently posted …

I cannot show you an example from the Panama City Beach, but posted below is a notice from Orange Beach, Alabama….just across the state line from the beaches in Florida.

You will note in the “DO NOT” section of the Beach Notice, it specifically states …

Dig large holes on the beach or have steel shovels.

We're proud you're considering visiting the World's Most Beautiful Beaches. In order to maintain public safety during spring break, we will be STRICTLY enforcing the following ordinances. -Chief Drew Whitman

- Drinking alcoholic beverages on the sandy beach is prohibited during the month of March.
- Possession and consumption of alcohol is prohibited in the commercial parking lots.
- All alcohol sales end at 2 a.m. throughout the entire month of March.
- Parking in a closed business' parking lot is prohibited.
- Overnight scooter rental is not permitted.
- It is illegal to climb, jump from or throw things from balconies.
- Parking is prohibited on unmarked or unpaved portions of the road after dark.
- Metal shovels are not permitted on the beach, and any holes dug in the sand not be deeper than two feet.

Violation of these laws will result in;
- Arrest and at least a night in the county jail
- A criminal record that will follow you past your spring break
- Up to a $500 fine or by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed 60 days.

"Code for: You guys are correct."

Yep. Like when the MSM made a big deal about the crowd size at Trump's inauguration using photos taken hours before the event. They went on and on and on.

Then when Trump showed the photos during the inauguration proving that he was right, the MSM responded by saying, "Hey. Why are you so obsessed about this?"

Yea, always the same. They will fight tooth and nail to their last breath to spin, duck and dodge everything and anything in order to promote their isolated opinion of what is right and wrong….while they absolutely refuse to ever admit the fact that they are/were wrong.

During the spring breaks at Panama City Beach, there have been numerous murders, rapes and drug/alcohol abuse arrests. Just a quick Internet search showed:

Panama City Spring Break shooter sentenced to seven life sentences - Source.

Third person arrested in alleged spring break gang rape on crowded Panama City Beach - Source.

Spring Break rapists get 10 years in prison - Source.

Code for: You guys are correct.

Code for: you're idiots to worry over this on a fine spring day.

Code for: You guys are correct.

Code for: you're idiots to worry over this on a fine spring day.

Weather has nothing to do with being correct ...

Besides, it beats the Hell out of discussing those Freedom Caucus assholes....Which I will do, if I must to keep setting you straight.

and, yes, digging holes in the sand for purposes of beach fun is normal and acceptable in the USA

Part of the problem is that there is entirely too much fun in this country.

We need to redefine the parameters of what is considered "fun" and thus provide limits to unsociable behavior.

Then perhaps careless parents would be more likely rein in the behavior of their undisciplined offspring and so prevent them from creating hazards to life and limb for beachgoers on our national shores.

Time for some sanity.

Besides, it beats the Hell out of discussing those Freedom Caucus assholes...

After you posted 25 articles about them, I just assumed you wanted ongoing non-stop coverage of them. I was only trying to please you.

What an ingrate.

I just followed your lead....for once.

You did not say anything about all other times …

After you posted 25 articles about them, I just assumed you wanted ongoing non-stop coverage of them.

Hey, when it's not the Freedom Caucus, it's the Libertarians!

So if I run along the public beach, fall in his hole, and injure myself on a metal tool, who do I sue -- him or the city?

You would sue the city, because they have a legal obligation (not so much as moral) to prevent accidents like this from happening. Unlike Malibu Beach, Ca, this is not a private beach as it belongs to the visitors to enjoy. You could also join the individual as well if you chose to and sue both parties for comparative damages (depending on who was more at fault; the one with the metal shovel 40% and the city 60% for their failure to provide public notice). Also attach compensatory damage for seeking declaratory relief.

Unlike Malibu Beach, Ca, this is not a private beach as it belongs to the visitors to enjoy.

I thought you might want to know that the area about which you speak in Malibu is called “billionaire’s Beach” and it is not a “private beach”…. there is public access.

There is no such animal as a “private beach” in California.

In California, the area between the water line and the mean high tide line is public land by law. To put it simply, wet sand means public beach.

In theory, anyone could walk the length of California's coast -- some 1,100 miles -- and never set foot on private property.

… and, yes, digging holes in the sand for purposes of beach fun is normal and acceptable in the USA

Part of the problem is that there is entirely too much fun in this country.

Then perhaps careless parents would be more likely rein in the behavior of their undisciplined offspring and so prevent them from creating hazards to life and limb for beachgoers on our national shores.

Time for some sanity.

We need to redefine the parameters of what is considered "fun" and thus provide limits to unsociable behavior.

Why are making yourself the sole arbiter of what parents should be allowed to do with their kids, when and where?

Below is the scene referred to in the article.

Your holier-than-though, self-righteousness is growing tiresome.

I'll let you guys obsess over this virtual non-event of a non-national news story

:)

I lived next to you, I would play my music at maximum just to show you what it's like to live under your own philosophy.

Except that I don't blare my music at 3am.

Miss White would divorce you.

I'd simply call the friendly police and they would come and shoot you. Then there would be some discussion in cyberspace about what a dumb ass you were and you deserved it.

…. and, yes, digging holes in the sand for purposes of beach fun is normal and acceptable in the USA.

Furthermore, digging holes in the sand “is not normal and acceptable in the USA for the purposes of beach fun” when a teenager dies after being trapped in sand hole he dug at the beach.

An Oklahoma teenager has died after a sand tunnel he was digging at a Florida beach [Panama City Beach] collapsed on him, KOTV 5 in Tulsa reports. The report says 17- year-old Travor Brown of Broken Arrow, Okla. was found Wednesday (June 8, 2016) trapped in a hole he had been digging into sand bank on Panama City Beach. Emergency responders were unable to revive the boy and he was transported to an area hospital in critical condition. A family friend told KOTV 6 Brown's mother made the decision to take Brown off life support and "let him go home to Jesus."

Now perhaps you want to take the liberal stance that would mandate restrictions in beach use that would help ensure that stupid people don't get hurt.

I will strongly support what Panama City Beach Police Chief Drew Whitman said:

"The rule was put in place because a couple of years ago, during Spring Break, we were having college kids dig holes that were probably larger than my desk, where they could play beer pong, we had some sexual assaults down there, we enacted where they couldn't take full size shovels down there, that's what the ordinance states, because kids were using them as weapons, fighting other kids." ¹

A young woman was watching a video on the news when she discovered a nightmare scenario: She may have been drugged and gang-raped on a crowded Florida beach in broad daylight, as bystanders watched.

It's not the first time this has happened to a young woman in Panama City Beach, authorities say. The woman's face can't be seen in the video, and parts of it were blurred. But she recognized her tattoos and contacted authorities.

Four young men were involved in the assault, authorities say. Two have been arrested and an arrest warrant has been issued for a third suspect, who federal marshals are trying to track down, said Bay County Sheriff Frank McKeithen. Investigators are also hoping to talk with a fourth person who is a possible witness.

Within feet of where the attack was happening, "There's hundreds, hundreds of people standing there -- watching, looking, seeing, hearing what's going on," McKeithen said.

"And yet our culture and our society and our young people have got to the point where obviously this is acceptable somewhere. I will tell you it is not acceptable in Bay County."

Ryan Calhoun, left, and Delonte Martistee were arrested in connection with an alleged gang rape in Panama City, Florida.

[….]

The video shows the suspects pushing the victim's hand aside and holding her legs down, Corley said.

"You can see in the video there are people two feet away. They were assaulting her and we believe the people around her knew she was being assaulted."

The suspects can be heard commenting about what they are doing to her, Corley said.

Authorities have three sworn statements from witnesses stating that the assault happened, Corley said.

[….]

'This is not the first time.

While the video is "one of the most disgusting, repulsive, sickening things that I've seen this year on Panama City Beach," it's not an isolated incident, said McKeithen.

"This is not the first video we've recovered. It's not the second video. It's not the third video. There's a number of videos we've recovered with things similar to this, and I can only imagine how many things we haven't recovered."

Corley said that through social media, "we have been able to find video of girls, incoherent and passed out, and almost like they are drugged, being assaulted on the beaches of Panama City in front of a bunch of people standing around." There's a major problem investigators are dealing with, McKeithen said: Spring break has gotten out of control. About 100,000 spring break revelers come to the beach community every year. This year, the Bay County Sheriff's Office made more than 1,000 arrests for various crimes -- about triple the number of arrests made in the same period last year.

McKeithen said he is being more and more aggressive in trying to stop the assaults.

"I have asked for help and I have asked for changes" for more than two years, he said. "People talk, and people promise, and nothing gets done."

A recent county ordinance stated that "the overpopulation of College spring Break and the violence and disrespect for law and order which now are accompanying College Spring Break have overwhelmed the valiant efforts of law enforcement to protect the community and the spring breakers themselves," and that additional restrictions were needed immediately "to help address the dangers being observed."

[….]

From my post above …

Within feet of where the [rape] attack was happening, "There's hundreds, hundreds of people standing there -- watching, looking, seeing, hearing what's going on," McKeithen said.

"And yet our culture and our society and our young people have got to the point where obviously this is acceptable somewhere.”

Please don’t ever tell me again that I was wrong when I said that I lived during The Greatest Generation.

I'm going to Panama City beach this summer. Going to be fun.

It has been said by many, you will find the most beautiful beaches in the world there….westward from Panama City Beach through Fort Walton and over to Pensacola.

Having grown up in a small farming community some miles North of there, I agree with those who made the comments about the beauty, since I had the occasion to spend lots of time on the beach at Panama City Beach. Also, our Summer 4-H Club camp was not too far away from there.

During week days, it was not uncommon to stand on the beach and not see anyone when looking either to the East or the West. The big traffic [big for that period] was only on weekends.

Y'all enjoy your stay there, ya hear….I just couldn’t pass that up.

I'll let you guys obsess over this virtual non-event of a non- national news story

:)

Yea...

But every point I made was a valid one ...

"This dude would lose in court."

Which it where it should be settled.

Within feet of where the [rape] attack was happening, "There's hundreds, hundreds of people standing there -- watching, looking, seeing, hearing what's going on," McKeithen said.

"And yet our culture and our society and our young people have got to the point where obviously this is acceptable somewhere.”

Yet you guys have wasted all these posts ranting over some crappy trench that is one foot deep on this beach instead of the rampant crime by hordes of outsiders committed every year there. People go there from around the country for the criminal mob activity, much as they once went to Mardi Gras for the same thing.

This is you generation, TC, not mine ...

What, you think I am a millennial? Wrong again. And you can't insult my own generation much more than I already do.

Please don’t ever tell me again that I was wrong when I said that I lived during The Greatest Generation.

You weren't even out of high school during WW II (unless you've been lying to us).

So you were part of the So-So Generation that lost the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

Stop trying to steal the glory (such as it is) of the WW II generation. You aren't one of them. You're just a wannabe.

I'm going to Panama City beach this summer. Going to be fun.

For God's sake, don't dig a dinky hole in the sand with a metal hand shovel or Gatlin and misterwhite will be calling for your arrest and execution.

Hey, when it's not the Freedom Caucus, it's the Libertarians!

But posting an article about Justin Amash who is a libertarian and in the Freedom Caucus and is an Arab congresscritter is like winning the Triple Crown.

    ; )

But posting an article about Justin Amash who is a libertarian and in the Freedom Caucus and is an Arab congresscritter is like winning the Triple Crown.

Disturbing images come to mind about how Gatlin would celebrate.

Ah ha … The Panama City Beach Spring Break Rules Notice:

. . . We're proud you're considering visiting the World's Most Beautiful Beaches. In order to maintain public safety during spring break, we will be STRICTLY enforcing the following ordinances. -Chief Drew Whitman

Which does imply that, as a matter of policy, that the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year.

"Which does imply that ... the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year."

This is insane….spring break at Panama City Beach:

Looks like fun to me and my kind of crowd.

Part of the problem is that there is entirely too much fun in this country.

Too much fun? We are the country that is the most overtaxed and overworked nation than any other country in this world. We shell out much of our income taxes which go to USAID through the IRS and it goes to feed foreign countries. Betcha' didn't even know that. So when it comes to Spring Break, you damn right those kids are gonna party like there is no tomorrow and oggle gorgeous babes.

Nevertheless, if words have meaning, then the police chief was telling us that some of the listed ordinances are not enforced rigorously except during spring break with its huge crowds.

Which is an entirely valid observation and counterpoint on this stupendously irrelevant non-news steaming turd of a thread.

"Nevertheless, if words have meaning, then the police chief was telling us that some of the listed ordinances are not enforced rigorously except during spring break with its huge crowds."

But he never said they weren't enforced at all. Just not as rigorously.

Does that make you uncomfortable? Would you rather he enforce the law rigorously year round?

Which does imply that, as a matter of policy, that the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year.

There you go ….

Hey, what are you doing on this thread anyway?

Aren’t you the one who said:

I'll let you guys obsess over this virtual non-event of a non- national news story.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/competent-authority-assistance

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/tax-treaties

But he never said they weren't enforced at all. Just not as rigorously.

Does that make you uncomfortable? Would you rather he enforce the law rigorously year round?

Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round despite the fact that the officer who was on patrol for exactly these kinds of infractions was so unfamiliar with enforcing them that it took her and several backup units of police to finally know the correct statute number to cite if they were to write a ticket for the infraction. Which means that the cops themselves are extremely unfamiliar with writing tickets for that infraction for beach holes (which was not violated) and the "metal implement" infraction.

I suppose the perp should be happy that the cops didn't just shoot his dog and his kid.

Which as a matter of policy does imply, or mean, that during other times of the year there are no gang rapes, no murders, no people jumping off balconies and no folks digging 10-foot diameter holes 4-feet deep where rapes occur….so there are no violations of these ordinances to be strictly enforced.

I don't even get your point. I doubt anyone else does either.

Hey, what are you doing on this thread anyway?

It seems I've been sucked into the vortices of a Complete Bullshit Thread.

"Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round ..."

Whoa! Who? According to the article the officer said she'd let him off with a warning. That's not strict enforcement. Why would anyone think this ordinance was strictly enforced?

You're just making shit up again.

"I suppose the perp should be happy that the cops didn't just shoot his dog and his kid."

And yet he never thanked the cops for not shooting his dog and his kid. What a jerk.

Reading this thread is likely to make LF readers more stupid than before they read it. It sucks your brain slowly, a Dracula of a soul-sucking thread.

Delete it now. Before someone gets hurt.

Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round despite the fact that the officer who was on patrol for exactly these kinds of infractions was so unfamiliar with enforcing them that it took her and several backup units of police to finally know the correct statute number to cite if they were to write a ticket for the infraction. Which means that the cops themselves are extremely unfamiliar with writing tickets for that infraction for beach holes (which was not violated) and the "metal implement" infraction.

Did you see Gatlin's post #71 where there does exist a public notice on that beach? The city is supposed to work with local authorities to impose such ordinances as needed on public places so as to provide legal notice to the public to avoid liability. Local authorities are not only supposed to be informed about them but also to enforce them to avoid liability not just in their official capacities but also as personal.

Did you see Gatlin's post #71 where there does exist a public notice on that beach?

In #71, those were rules for an entirely different beach (as Gatlin noted).

In #72, Gatlin posted some recent actual published (or posted) rules from the same Panama City beach:

Keep in mind, they were trying to threaten someone with a $500 fine. But he hadn't broken that ordinance because his hole was only a 1' deep hole and the ordinance only fines those who have dug a 2' hole. So, after threatening and summoning backup units, they finally got a $25 fine out of him. That was a piss-poor use of the time of the 5 officers involved for a couple of hours. If that's all that that PD has to do with their time, they need to fire some unneeded cops.

Maybe this thread should just be deleted as Too Silly.

Reading this thread is likely to make LF readers more stupid than before they read it. It sucks your brain slowly, a Dracula of a soul-sucking thread.

Delete it now. Before someone gets hurt.

This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.

And the good Lord knows….you have made many before.

Just pray tell, specifically who is going to get hurt?

Maybe only you….with your overly sensitive feelings and you may start bawling like a little baby.

Crying your heart out the same way your libertarian asshole buddy, Amash, did when he missed his first vote in the House and openly cried like a wussie in front of all his fellow Congressmen.

My goodness, TC, what is your generation coming to?

Your weak ass generation is nothing but a bunch of whining cry babies.

What are you to do …

     [Cue scene from the movie Top Gun here].

This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.

It's not even a contender.

But he hadn't broken that ordinance …

From the ordinance notice….read this carefully.

Metal shovels are not permitted on the beach…

What is there that you don’t understand about that breaking the ordinance?

And BTW, you are correct….in that Chief Drew Whitman didn’t STICTLY enforce the ordinance year round.

Instead of his officer strictly following the rules year round, whereby the asshole minister would have seen that a ….

Violation of these laws will result in;
- Arrest and at least a night in the county jail
- A criminal record that will follow you past your spring break
- Up to a

The minister asshole was so lucky …

You can stop with your libertarian SPIN anytime you start to feel dizzy …

Wait, you libertarians are always dizzy …

This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.

It's not even a contender.

Okay....so you have made more asinine posts than this.

I accept your concession with all humility.

Of course, this is precisely why I was always so deservedly your Literary Hero.

If that's all that that PD has to do with their time, they need to fire some unneeded cops.

This is not all they needed to do.

The PCB police can multi task when dealing with crime.

In addition to handling this minister asshole….the PCB police arrested “hundreds” of violators.
[No specific number has been released yet, only that generality]

Furthermore, the number of arrests were down this year….could be for various reasons, but most probably because of the new ordinance. One would objectively think so.

So, you see….that is not “all that the [PCB police] has to do with their time”….they did this and everything else they needed to do.

Again, crime was down this year….GREAT JOB, PCB Police Department!

But, you keep on spinning, TC….even thought it does no good.