"This dude would lose in court."

Which it where it should be settled.

Within feet of where the [rape] attack was happening, "There's hundreds, hundreds of people standing there -- watching, looking, seeing, hearing what's going on," McKeithen said.

"And yet our culture and our society and our young people have got to the point where obviously this is acceptable somewhere.”

Yet you guys have wasted all these posts ranting over some crappy trench that is one foot deep on this beach instead of the rampant crime by hordes of outsiders committed every year there. People go there from around the country for the criminal mob activity, much as they once went to Mardi Gras for the same thing.

This is you generation, TC, not mine ...

What, you think I am a millennial? Wrong again. And you can't insult my own generation much more than I already do.

Please don’t ever tell me again that I was wrong when I said that I lived during The Greatest Generation.

You weren't even out of high school during WW II (unless you've been lying to us).

So you were part of the So-So Generation that lost the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

Stop trying to steal the glory (such as it is) of the WW II generation. You aren't one of them. You're just a wannabe.

I'm going to Panama City beach this summer. Going to be fun.

For God's sake, don't dig a dinky hole in the sand with a metal hand shovel or Gatlin and misterwhite will be calling for your arrest and execution.

Hey, when it's not the Freedom Caucus, it's the Libertarians!

But posting an article about Justin Amash who is a libertarian and in the Freedom Caucus and is an Arab congresscritter is like winning the Triple Crown.

    ; )

But posting an article about Justin Amash who is a libertarian and in the Freedom Caucus and is an Arab congresscritter is like winning the Triple Crown.

Disturbing images come to mind about how Gatlin would celebrate.

Ah ha … The Panama City Beach Spring Break Rules Notice:

. . . We're proud you're considering visiting the World's Most Beautiful Beaches. In order to maintain public safety during spring break, we will be STRICTLY enforcing the following ordinances. -Chief Drew Whitman

Which does imply that, as a matter of policy, that the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year.

"Which does imply that ... the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year."

This is insane….spring break at Panama City Beach:

Looks like fun to me and my kind of crowd.

Part of the problem is that there is entirely too much fun in this country.

Too much fun? We are the country that is the most overtaxed and overworked nation than any other country in this world. We shell out much of our income taxes which go to USAID through the IRS and it goes to feed foreign countries. Betcha' didn't even know that. So when it comes to Spring Break, you damn right those kids are gonna party like there is no tomorrow and oggle gorgeous babes.

Nevertheless, if words have meaning, then the police chief was telling us that some of the listed ordinances are not enforced rigorously except during spring break with its huge crowds.

Which is an entirely valid observation and counterpoint on this stupendously irrelevant non-news steaming turd of a thread.

"Nevertheless, if words have meaning, then the police chief was telling us that some of the listed ordinances are not enforced rigorously except during spring break with its huge crowds."

But he never said they weren't enforced at all. Just not as rigorously.

Does that make you uncomfortable? Would you rather he enforce the law rigorously year round?

Which does imply that, as a matter of policy, that the local PD does not strictly enforce those ordinances at other times of the year.

There you go ….

Hey, what are you doing on this thread anyway?

Aren’t you the one who said:

I'll let you guys obsess over this virtual non-event of a non- national news story.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/competent-authority-assistance

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/tax-treaties

But he never said they weren't enforced at all. Just not as rigorously.

Does that make you uncomfortable? Would you rather he enforce the law rigorously year round?

Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round despite the fact that the officer who was on patrol for exactly these kinds of infractions was so unfamiliar with enforcing them that it took her and several backup units of police to finally know the correct statute number to cite if they were to write a ticket for the infraction. Which means that the cops themselves are extremely unfamiliar with writing tickets for that infraction for beach holes (which was not violated) and the "metal implement" infraction.

I suppose the perp should be happy that the cops didn't just shoot his dog and his kid.

Which as a matter of policy does imply, or mean, that during other times of the year there are no gang rapes, no murders, no people jumping off balconies and no folks digging 10-foot diameter holes 4-feet deep where rapes occur….so there are no violations of these ordinances to be strictly enforced.

I don't even get your point. I doubt anyone else does either.

Hey, what are you doing on this thread anyway?

It seems I've been sucked into the vortices of a Complete Bullshit Thread.

"Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round ..."

Whoa! Who? According to the article the officer said she'd let him off with a warning. That's not strict enforcement. Why would anyone think this ordinance was strictly enforced?

You're just making shit up again.

"I suppose the perp should be happy that the cops didn't just shoot his dog and his kid."

And yet he never thanked the cops for not shooting his dog and his kid. What a jerk.

Reading this thread is likely to make LF readers more stupid than before they read it. It sucks your brain slowly, a Dracula of a soul-sucking thread.

Delete it now. Before someone gets hurt.

Some posters on this thread seemed to be trying to portray this as a strictly enforced ordinance year-round despite the fact that the officer who was on patrol for exactly these kinds of infractions was so unfamiliar with enforcing them that it took her and several backup units of police to finally know the correct statute number to cite if they were to write a ticket for the infraction. Which means that the cops themselves are extremely unfamiliar with writing tickets for that infraction for beach holes (which was not violated) and the "metal implement" infraction.

Did you see Gatlin's post #71 where there does exist a public notice on that beach? The city is supposed to work with local authorities to impose such ordinances as needed on public places so as to provide legal notice to the public to avoid liability. Local authorities are not only supposed to be informed about them but also to enforce them to avoid liability not just in their official capacities but also as personal.

Did you see Gatlin's post #71 where there does exist a public notice on that beach?

In #71, those were rules for an entirely different beach (as Gatlin noted).

In #72, Gatlin posted some recent actual published (or posted) rules from the same Panama City beach:

Keep in mind, they were trying to threaten someone with a $500 fine. But he hadn't broken that ordinance because his hole was only a 1' deep hole and the ordinance only fines those who have dug a 2' hole. So, after threatening and summoning backup units, they finally got a $25 fine out of him. That was a piss-poor use of the time of the 5 officers involved for a couple of hours. If that's all that that PD has to do with their time, they need to fire some unneeded cops.

Maybe this thread should just be deleted as Too Silly.

Reading this thread is likely to make LF readers more stupid than before they read it. It sucks your brain slowly, a Dracula of a soul-sucking thread.

Delete it now. Before someone gets hurt.

This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.

And the good Lord knows….you have made many before.

Just pray tell, specifically who is going to get hurt?

Maybe only you….with your overly sensitive feelings and you may start bawling like a little baby.

Crying your heart out the same way your libertarian asshole buddy, Amash, did when he missed his first vote in the House and openly cried like a wussie in front of all his fellow Congressmen.

My goodness, TC, what is your generation coming to?

Your weak ass generation is nothing but a bunch of whining cry babies.

What are you to do …

     [Cue scene from the movie Top Gun here].

This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.

It's not even a contender.

But he hadn't broken that ordinance …

From the ordinance notice….read this carefully.

Metal shovels are not permitted on the beach…

What is there that you don’t understand about that breaking the ordinance?

And BTW, you are correct….in that Chief Drew Whitman didn’t STICTLY enforce the ordinance year round.

Instead of his officer strictly following the rules year round, whereby the asshole minister would have seen that a ….

Violation of these laws will result in;
- Arrest and at least a night in the county jail
- A criminal record that will follow you past your spring break
- Up to a

The minister asshole was so lucky …

You can stop with your libertarian SPIN anytime you start to feel dizzy …

Wait, you libertarians are always dizzy …

This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made.

It's not even a contender.

Okay....so you have made more asinine posts than this.

I accept your concession with all humility.

Of course, this is precisely why I was always so deservedly your Literary Hero.

If that's all that that PD has to do with their time, they need to fire some unneeded cops.

This is not all they needed to do.

The PCB police can multi task when dealing with crime.

In addition to handling this minister asshole….the PCB police arrested “hundreds” of violators.
[No specific number has been released yet, only that generality]

Furthermore, the number of arrests were down this year….could be for various reasons, but most probably because of the new ordinance. One would objectively think so.

So, you see….that is not “all that the [PCB police] has to do with their time”….they did this and everything else they needed to do.

Again, crime was down this year….GREAT JOB, PCB Police Department!

But, you keep on spinning, TC….even thought it does no good.

You're just making shit up again.

TC ...

"This is without question the most asinine post you have ever made."

I don't think so. Let me check my various lists for Tooconservative: Stupid ... no ... Ignorant? ... no ... Dumb? ... no ... Ah. Here it is ... Asinine.

Whoo. It's a long list. And this latest post is ranking 26. So it's far from #1.

But hey. Let's give him some time. He'll get there.

asshole buddy

The most dangerous sand sculpture ever made.

So if I run along the public beach, fall in his hole, and injure myself on a metal tool, who do I sue -- him or the city?

Neither. You slink away in shame for being a dumbshit who doesn't watch where he's going.

In #72, Gatlin posted some recent actual published (or posted) rules from the same Panama City beach:

From what he recently posted in addition to the previous post #71, it looks like PCB Police made no exceptions to the rules especially during Spring Break. The rules stand. If you don't like those rules go to a different beach from a different county or city that is more lenient. I'd prefer to go to a different beach that is more tolerant than this. However, there has been a case where (I cannot remember where in the US) a beachgoer was digging so damn deep that the ground caved in and he fell in six feet and it took a firetruck crew, police and first responders to dig around him to get him out at he had buried himself alive. Amazingly though he survived. True story. I could be wrong but I think it occurred in Florida.

However, there has been a case where (I cannot remember where in the US) a beachgoer was digging so damn deep that the ground caved in and he fell in six feet and it took a firetruck crew, police and first responders to dig around him to get him out at he had buried himself alive. Amazingly though he survived. True story. I could be wrong but I think it occurred in Florida

...PCB Police made no exceptions to the rules especially during Spring Break. The rules stand. If you don't like those rules go to a different beach from a different county or city that is more lenient.

So all this fuss and this mindbogglingly stupid thread is about a guy getting a $25 ticket because his kid had a little metal hand shovel on the beach.

Much ado about nothing.

I assure you: this is not national news.

I can't believe people actually care about something this dumb.

In reference to my post #131 maybe after watching the above video, it might change your mind. All those people digging are beachgoers along with fire department and first responders; all trying to save this young man's life.

The sign plainly said "no metal shovels". If the guy was using a metal shovel he already violated the ordinance regardless of whether he was digging less than 2 feet.

I need to repeat that with emphasis …

The sign plainly said "no metal shovels". If the guy was using a metal shovel he already violated the ordinance regardless of whether he was digging less than 2 feet.

Alabama man's "metal shovel" on Panama City Beach Facebook post getting huge attention

[….]

The law banning metal tools on the beach says metal shovels, like the types sold in hardware stores, are not permitted on the beach. Digging holes deeper than two feet is also prohibited.

While Rylee's son wasn't digging a hole deeper than two feet, he did receive a $25 fine for using the metal tool.

Another source …

Bama Fan Fined $25 For Using Metal Shovel To Dig Holes For Sandcastle On Panama City Beach

Bama fan Bryant Rylee, a youth pastor, tangled (not really) with Panama City Beach cops last week after he was caught digging sandcastle holes with a metal shovel, which is a no-no on PCB after a 2015 ordinance preventing college kids from digging holes for what I assume were the sunken beer pong tables. Last week, one thing led to another and Rylee was fined $25 for his actions.

I have no idea why TC keeps up his mantra with the false narrative about the man being fined for digging a hole when he was definitely not fined for digging a hole. He was fined for using a metal shovel on the beach.

Well, I guess I do have good idea….TC’s extreme libertarianism causes him to be a contrarian firmly dedicated to opposing or rejecting any and all popular opinions, especially those supporting law enforcement; those going against his libertarian anarchist philosophy.

Maybe next time, the cops will find the courage to pull out their guns and shoot these scofflaw metal shovel maniacs.

You really should be ashamed of yourself, if that is what you must resort to.

You sound like Deckard….and that definitely is no compliment.

He resorts to the same type charge….each time he loses, and that is almost all the time.

I can't believe people actually care about something this dumb.

Be honest with yourself, at least once….admit that is true.

Try …

I only knew about the one that happened at Panama City Beach, the one I linked you to.

I'm starting to wonder if even an assassination of the Queen of England would get 130 comments here on LF.

Now you have resorted to groveling, acting in an abject manner showing great fear that you are completely without any reasonable ideas to support your position….a position that was tenuous from the start, with your first post on this thread.

I assure you: this is not national news.

Not everything must be national news to be of importance to some people. That statement shows evidence of your elitist mentality, something that keeps raising its ugly head during your discussion with us common folks.

Why don’t you just give it up. Say that you lost and your position to defend this guy ....but moreover, to castigate the police, was a wrong position to take.

Man up …

Confession is good for the soul …

Step in here, my son …

From my video, when I think about it now, I remember seeing it on The Weather Channel on matters concerning "What Would You Do in circumstances like this". They showed that Newport Beach video and how they managed to finally get the guy out alive. They dug around the hole area where he was buried and just kept digging as if they were working in a circumference-style distance all the way around the hole. That's how they managed to find the guy. It was unbelievable and great work from all who participated in that rescue effort. He's damn lucky to be alive.

... how they managed to finally get the guy out alive.

That WAS good news....he was lucky.

I want to tell you that I enjoy reading your posts and exchanging thoughts with you. We agree on some things and disagree on others. And this is good. Because after reading your posts, it looks to me like you are one of the few people who will consider both sides of a situation before forming your opinion and expressing it.

Above all, I cannot but help notice that you can, and you do, change your mind when you discover new and different information. Very few people on this forum ever do that. Stone is the only one who also does this, that comes to mind right now. It is a definitely a positive attribute for which you are to be complimented to possess. FWIT....I personally consider you a great asset to Stone’s forum. Keep up the good work …

I would obey the officer. Not worth the trouble. I just think it is a stupid law. The picture didn't look like it was anywhere near excessive.

Did you know they don't let you sleep on the beach at night either. I was at another beach in Florida. Daytona I think. Got up early at sunrise. The sun was up. So I put my beach blanket out laid down and closed my eyes. Some beach cop comes up and tells me I can't sleep on beach at night. The sun is already up. I know he thought I was there all night, but I wasn't, I just wanted to get there early and lay around with my eyes closed. I got up and went back to my room til piggy left. I told my wife what an asshole piggy was.

The picture didn't look like it was anywhere near excessive.

It was stated that the kid was 13-years old, as best I can remember. I could not find a body dimensions chart for 13-year old boys but I did find one for 15-year old boys. The knee height for 15-year boys, depending on their build, ranges from 14 3/8 to19 ½ inches. Since the kid was only 13-years old and definitely on the “porky” side, I would estimate that his knee height was around 12 to 13 inches.

So you are correct when you say the hole didn’t appear “anywhere near excessive”….and Bryant Rylee was correct when he said the hole was a foot deep.

Ah, but you, and everyone, has to watch ole Bryant Rylee, he operates using the typical Deckard and Tooconservative modus operandi. In that, they all will try to lead you down a deceptive path with an attempt to have you arrive at the same conclusion they did. Sneaky….Sneaky. So, it was to that end that Bryant Rylee made his post on face book “all about the depth of the hole” and the “sand castle”….when the issue was never about that.

For evidence, “let’s go to the video” as Warner Wolf would say. The headline on the video from the local TV news and the headline for the local newspaper both stated the $25 citation was given for having the metal shovel on the beach….not the hole depth. But how much sympathy was Bryant Rylee going to get if he posted that he had been “fined $25 for having a metal shovel on the beach?”

None….of course not.

So, operating under the Deckard and Tooconservative Libertarian Community Organizer Rules for Dissention….Bryant went the “little boy’s sand castle hole sympathy” route. And he made it all about that. Which everyone bought into….except “old Greatest Generation” Moi. [That’s French, ya know. I was stationed outside of Paris for 6 months and I still like to through that word around when I get a chance to….and I just had that chance].

I would obey the officer. Not worth the trouble. I just think it is a stupid law.

You have a right to think it is a stupid law. But the City Council had the right to make that law based on incidents of rape and other grossly nefarious law violations occurring in those holes that measured “10 feet in diameter and 4 feet deep.” Combine that with the fact that actual melees broke out where people were fighting like gladitors swinging metal shovels and getting severely injured. So, the City Council decided “enough was enough” and issued the ordinance with the changes in 2015.

Since that time, incidents and arrests have decreased each year….according to local news reports.