I would also like to know who made the dumbass decision to deal with coyotes in such a stupid manner ?

I hope God will quickly heal the boy !

"Can you tell us why this kid was a dumb ass and his dog deserved to die?"

From the U.S. Department of Agriculture Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Wildlife Services:

"Wildlife Services policies and procedures are designed to minimize unintentional take or capture of domestic pets. It posts signs and issues other warnings to alert pet owners when wildlife traps or other devices are being used in an area for wildlife damage management".

" M-44s are spring-activated devices that release cyanide when they are activated through upward pressure or pulling. These devices are only set at the request of and with permission from property owners or managers."

If the signs were posted and the warnings issued and the kid ignored them when he was trespassing on other's property, that makes him a dumb ass. I feel bad for the dog and the fact that he had a dumb ass owner.

"I hope God will quickly heal the boy!"

The teen was treated and released. He wasn't harmed.

If the signs were posted and the warnings issued and the kid ignored them when he was trespassing on other's property, that makes him a dumb ass. I feel bad for the dog and the fact that he had a dumb ass owner.

Exactly.

Of course, if the gas bomb was sited poorly (like 20-30 feet off a sidewalk or motorway), that may be cause for a complaint or even a lawsuit.

"Playing near his home" is too vague a description to have much confidence in.

"if the gas bomb was sited poorly (like 20-30 feet off a sidewalk or motorway)"

The details are lacking, as they usually are in these one-sided articles.

The details are lacking, as they usually are in these one-sided articles.

When they were "lacking" you still chose your reflex regurgitation that the person is stupid and the government is god like.

You made up stuff to like trespassing.

"When they were "lacking" you still chose your reflex regurgitation that the person is stupid and the government is god like."

I gave you my reasons.

"You made up stuff to like trespassing."

"Trespassing is the legal term for the situation in which one person enters onto the land of another without permission or the legal right to be there."

He was not on his property. Legally, he was trespassing.

The details are lacking, as they usually are in these one-sided articles.

If we wait a bit, Deckard will have the Jonesy version of the story, fresh off AlterNet.

In that version, the boy and dog will be inside the kid's house when armed goon park rangers fly over and drop cyanide bombs on them.

It will be more exciting than this article was.

He was not on his property. Legally, he was trespassing.

Maybe we should ask who has had personal experience with these little button-bombs used by animal control.

I didn't like them overall just because of the danger to cattle and wildlife. When put in the ground, they look like an old floor-style dimmer switch in a car. The coyote has to grab it and bite down a little to set it off. They dab it with a liquid scent to attract meateaters.

Some years back, we tried to thin the local coyotes. Results were so-so with a few taken out by the button-bombs and the mini-nooses hung off barbed wire.

It was far more effective when the animal control guy just hired a copter to fly him for an afternoon. He shot almost 150 coyotes that day. Everyone agreed that was by far the most effective thing to do.

I bet that that dog did nose around on this bomb. There should be adequate evidence on the dog's body around the mouth. And this is why the dog is dead and not the boy.

According to this local news reporting, the animal control people placed the cyanide bomb a "few hundred feet" from the boy's house but then later said the bomb was 10 minutes away from the house on a hill above the house. So we don't know the exact distance from the boy's house.

It seems the bomb was placed in a shallow gully up at the hilltop. Most likely, this was because there were coyote tracks or a game camera indicating that that is a path of travel by a pack of coyotes.

He was not on his property. Legally, he was trespassing.

So - anytime you are not on your own property, you are trespassing?

"So - anytime you are not on your own property, you are trespassing?"

Not if the area is designated for public use. Was he in an area designated for public use? If not, he was trespassing.

"I can walk in your grass anytime I want to. Unless you have a clearly visible no trespassing sign on it."

You would be trespassing. But, without a sign, I couldn't bring charges.

" "Wildlife Services policies and procedures are designed to minimize unintentional take or capture of domestic pets. It posts signs and issues other warnings to alert pet owners when wildlife traps or other devices are being used in an area for wildlife damage management".

Well Whitey, you owe the kid an apology. Observe the News Broadcast in post # 10, you will be advised that there were no signs, no warnings, etc. The Wildlife Services effed up here. It is much better to shoot coyotes, or use other means. Around here, we shoot them. Using these M-44's was a real DUMB ASS move !!

I suspect somebody got a little boost to their "retirement fund " from a vendor for approving the purchase & use of these things.

"Observe the News Broadcast in post # 10, you will be advised that there were no signs, no warnings, etc."

Yeah. And they also said the cyanide bomb was a "few hundred feet" from the boy's house but then later said the bomb was 10 minutes away. So maybe there were signs. Maybe there weren't.

But I said, IF the signs were posted and the warnings issued and the kid ignored them when he was trespassing on other's property, that makes him a dumb ass."

So maybe there were signs. Maybe there weren't.

The chances of us ever learning the truth via the Internet seems pretty damned slim.

Probably the local will get newspaper reporting on the full investigation of the case. But we'll never hear about it unless we follow up obsessively.

This is one of those stories that generates big headlines (and lots of click traffic) but you never hear the result of the full investigation. Generally, because the truth is never nearly as awful as the initial hysterical reports indicate. And yet we fall for these initial reports, despite the fact that we all know how often the first reporting on most anything is completely and flat-out wrong.

"I can walk in your grass anytime I want to. Unless you have a clearly visible no trespassing sign on it."

I don’t think you need a No Trespass sign in Idaho, if you …

Post the area with a minimum of one hundred (100) square inches of fluorescent orange, bright orange, blaze orange, safety orange or any similar high visibility shade of orange colored paint except that when metal fence posts are used, a minimum of eighteen (18) inches of the top of the post must be painted a high visibility shade of orange;

I know that is maybe just a technically and the property is still ”POSTED” as such.

But am I correct in that under the conditions of this paragraph, then no sign in required to enforce the No Trespass Law?

Just curious …

IDAHO LAW
TITLE 18

CRIMES AND PUNISHMENTS

CHAPTER 70

TRESPASS AND MALICIOUS INJURIES TO PROPERTY

18- 7011.  Criminal trespass — Definition and punishment. (1) Any person who, without consent of the owner or person in charge of any lands which are inclosed [Sic] by fences of any description sufficient to show the boundaries of the land inclosed, shall go upon such lands and shall leave open any gates on or about said premises, or who shall tear down or lay down any fencing, or who shall willfully remove, mutilate, damage or destroy any "No Trespassing" signs or markers, or who shall go through cultivated crops that have not been harvested, or who shall damage any property thereon, or who without permission of the owner or the owner’s agent enters the real property of another person where such real property:

(a)  Is posted with "No Trespassing" signs;

(b)  Is posted with a minimum of one hundred (100) square inches of fluorescent orange, bright orange, blaze orange, safety orange or any similar high visibility shade of orange colored paint except that when metal fence posts are used, a minimum of eighteen (18) inches of the top of the post must be painted a high visibility shade of orange;

(c)  Is posted with other notices of like meaning, spaced at intervals of not less than one (1) sign, paint area or notice per six hundred sixty (660) feet along such real property; provided that where the geographical configuration of the real property is such that entry can reasonably be made only at certain points of access, such property is posted sufficiently for all purposes of this section if said signs, paint or notices are posted at such points of access; or

(d)  Is posted with a conspicuous sign where a public road enters the real property, through which or along which road the public has a right-of-way, stating words substantially similar to "PRIVATE PROPERTY, NO TRESPASSING OFF (fill in relevant compass direction(s)) SIDE OF ROAD NEXT (fill in the distance) MILES," and which is posted with a conspicuous sign where the public road exits the real property stating words substantially similar to "LEAVING PRIVATE PROPERTY." The postings shall be placed on the private real property. In lieu of posting the compass direction(s), a map depicting the area of private property may be displayed on the sign;

is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding six (6) months or by a fine of not less than twenty-five dollars ($25.00) and not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or by both such fine and imprisonment.

As used in this subsection and in section 18-7008, Idaho Code: "enters," "entry" and "entering" mean going upon or over real property either in person or by causing any object, substance or force to go upon or over real property.

(2)  No motor vehicle shall be willfully or intentionally driven into, upon, over or through any private land actively devoted to cultivated crops without the consent of the owner of the land or the tenant, lessee or agent of the owner of the land actively devoted to cultivated crops. Violation of the provisions of this section shall be a misdemeanor. For the purpose of this subsection, motor vehicle shall be defined as set forth in sections 49-114 and 49- 123, Idaho Code. Land actively devoted to cultivated crops shall be defined as land that is used to produce field crops including, but not limited to, grains, feed crops, legumes, fruits and vegetables.

History:

[18-7011, added 1972, ch. 336, sec. 1, p. 975; am. 1976, ch. 154, sec. 2, p. 551; am. 1984, ch. 37, sec. 1, p. 63; am. 1984, ch. 55, sec. 2, p. 95; am. 1988, ch. 265, sec. 561, p. 857; am. 2005, ch. 359, sec. 12, p. 1139; am. 2014, ch. 28, sec. 2, p. 40.]

And I think the word "bomb" is a little melodramatic.

I'm saying that even without a sign, trespassing is still possible. It's just that without a sign (or other indicators) it's unlikely you'd get a conviction for trespassing.

I understand what you said....I have no problem with that.

I am only asking if a sign is needed should you use the prescribed paint markings?

I think not ...

Even in the video you posted, the same news broadcast from the same news station reported that the cyanide bomb was a "few hundred feet" from the boy's house ... but then later said the bomb was 10 minutes away.

If you look back, I did mention it myself and compared it to many other well-known initial reports that turned out factually wrong. We can all name such cases where initial reporting was wildly wrong (e.g. Trayvon incident, Ferguson rioting, Gabby Giffords shooting, Boston Massacre, even 9/11, etc.).

Initial reports tend toward sensationalism just to draw clicks or viewers on the local news channel. So if a bunch of bored hack bloggers on Teh Interwebs decide that they can make clickbait titles and link to this story and rewrite in the most sensationalist way possible, they can drive big traffic to/from their sites and make money off it.

The Almighty Click meets the Almighty Dollar, so to speak.

And I think the word "bomb" is a little melodramatic.

Give Deckard a few hours and he'll come up with a version of this story that describes it as a "cyanide mini-nuke".

"If you look back, I did mention it myself ..."

Yes. That was a nice catch. We'll turn you into a law-and-order type yet.

We'll turn you into a law-and-order type yet.

I'll always be a rebel! LOL