They also believe that, because they are the State Department officials, that their own firm beliefs ARE US policy, that US policy, and US interests, are determined by what they, the State Department professionals, believe to be best for America.

But this is not so.

American policy is determined by what the American PEOPLE decided is best for America. And the American people can change their minds and overrule 100 years of tradition, if they want to. They do so through elections.

Donald Trump ran on making peace with Russia, opening lines of good relations, and allying with Russia to crush ISIS. He was elected by the people on that platform.

THEREFORE, peace and friendship with Russia are NOW American interests, and maintaining the Cold War and cold relations with Russia are NOT American interests, and are CONTRARY to American interests.

The professionals in the State Department do not agree, but they are functionaries whose purpose is to execute policy, not to act as a control over policy.

The State Department has been actively, and passively, attempting to override the foreign policy of the United States, which is to seek peace and friendship with Russia, and to seek military alliance with Russia against ISIS. That's what the people voted for, and what the President was elected to do.

If the State Department personnel decide that they are going to resist the will of the people and the elected President because they don't agree, then they need to be put out of their jobs, and their agency needs to be chopped down and brought into line.

The PRESIDENT decides what American interests are. Functionaries in the government EXECUTE policy, but they do not MAKE it. State Department functionaries do not like the new US policy, so they are seeking to derail it. The whole institution is fighting the will of the People and the President. Therefore, the State Department needs to be chopped down, its people fired, its influence and importance stripped, until those who remain understand that their purpose is to EXECUTE policy, NOT TO MAKE IT.

They are arrogant and do not understand that. And they are resisting. Therefore, they must be destroyed. Politics trumps professional beliefs, because the PURPOSE of the State Department is to execute the foreign politics of the President, not their own will. They have no right to have their own will and sit in those jobs. Because they don't believe that, the whole Department has to be decapitated. That's the way it is.

American policy is determined by what the American PEOPLE decided is best for America.

ExxonMobil doesn't give a rat's ass about the American PEOPLE.

They're corrupt, transnational petro-parasites who contaminate the global ecosystem & food chain with carcinogenic hydrocarbons.

Why should Trump have to work with Obama appointees?

They're not partisan appointees.
They're career staffers who span multiple administrations.

Trump is damaging the State Department Infrastrucure... the Institutional Memory that provides stability, congruity & continuity to our foreign policy.

ExxonMobil doesn't give a rat's ass about the American PEOPLE.

ExxonMobil did not elect Trump. The American People did. Trump campaigned on peace and cooperation with Russia. The American People voted for that. That is now the policy. The old policy is no longer the policy.

hey're not partisan appointees. They're career staffers who span multiple administrations.

Trump is damaging the State Department Infrastrucure... the Institutional Memory that provides stability, congruity & continuity to our foreign policy.

There can be no continuity of policy with with Cold War era. That is what "continuity" means, and what the Democrats, Establishment Republicans, and State Department staffers who span multiple administrations want.

They do not want to change their minds and to start treating Russia as a potential ally and a partner. They want to continue what they know. What they know has always been American policy before, and they institutionally believe that that continuous, stable policy is "American interests".

But American policy has abruptly CHANGED with this election. The American People voted to BREAK with the past and to choose a man who want to be friends with Russia and ally with them against Islamic terrorism.

The State Department staffers want continuity with the past, and they are resisting the President of the United States, and resisting the new American policy. Therefore they and their institution must be broken and fired and removed and replaced, to the extent necessary, to bring it to heel politically. They may not be political appointees, but they DO have a politics, and the institution has a politics. But the politics of the nation, the duly elected Chief Executive, are DIFFERENT from their long standing politics. American national interests have CHANGED, but the State Department staffers do not accept the change. They want continuity with the past. Therefore, because they will not come to heel and implement the NEW policy, they and their institution have to be damaged, and ultimately broken if necessary.

The State Department staffers, political or permanent, serve the POLICY as established by the President. They are not entitled to their OWN "policy", and they are not entitled to determine what "American interests" are. American interests are determined by elected politicians, specifically by the elected President. HE is in command of the State Department, the ENTIRE State Department, the permanent staff too, as well as the political staff. They can't be removed for being the opposite party, but they CAN be removed if they seek to pursued a policy in opposition to the President.

The People chose to make peace with Russia. Trump campaigned on that, and he was elected.

The NSA, CIA and State Department have decided to try to overrule the People, and the President, because THEY have decided that peace with Russia is "not in American interests", and that Trump must be stopped and undermined.

Therefore, the CIA, NSA and State Department have to be "damaged" very aggressively until they are broken, if necessary, to bring them back to heel and back firmly under political control.

ALL of the agencies of the United States, including the military, intelligence and foreign policy, are MEANT TO BE subject to ultimate POLITICAL control. They are not MEANT to have independent power of their own to set policy. They EXECUTE policy, but policy is DECIDED by politicians, NOT staffers. Staffers implement policies they are GIVEN BY POLITICIANS, they do NOT have the power, or the right, to decide what policy will be against the will of the politicians.

ALL policy of the United States, ESPECIALLY NATIONAL SECURITY AND MILITARY AND FOREIGN POLICY, are COMPLETELY subject to civilian political control. Political control is determined by the President, who is elected by the people.

Staffers in the State Department, the CIA and the NSA don't want peace with Russia, so they have sought to attack the President, to challenge his power as the sole and final decider of US Executive power.

Therefore, these agencies must be cut down to size, damaged, weakened, even destroyed, and staffers fired, removed for insubordination, prosecuted and imprisoned for leaks - to the extent necessary to bring them firmly back under the command of the elected political authorities whom they serve.

The NSA, CIA, FBI and State Department, at all levels, has no right whatever to have a will of its own. They are agencies who exist to be marionettes of the will of the elected President and his political staff.

The CIA and FBI and NSA and State Department are SUPPOSED TO BE under political control. So is the military. All of it. There is NOTHING in American government that is supposed to be ABOVE political control. The CONSTITUTION ITSELF is subject to political amendment.

THAT IS DEMOCRACY IN A REPUBLIC. Staffers do not have the power or authority to resist the will of their political masters. When they do by leaking information, they are criminals who should be prosecuted and destroyed like any other spy. A State Department man who seeks to prevent peace with Russia is not acting in American interests. The President was elected to make peace with Russia. Staffers who seek to undermine that policy are enemies of American policy and need to be driven out.

They do not want to change their minds and to start treating Russia as a potential ally and a partner.

In the post-Soviet era, Russia is still a corrupt, kleptocracy with a murderous KGB thug like Putin as it's dictator. There can be no alliance or partnership with such corruption.

"They're career staffers who span multiple administrations."

And what a great job they're doing!

But American policy has abruptly CHANGED with this election. 

To be precize, it is the world that is changing and Trump tries to adapt his country.

But many who felt comfortable in the past (that is going with the wind) do not want to face the future.

Full spectrum gender bender fan

Rachel Maddow likes lesbians, and Trump likes all the queers. That's what she's really complaining about.

Putin ain't going for any of it.

They're not partisan appointees.
They're career staffers who span multiple administrations.

They are confirmed loyal diehard “card carrying” Democrats whose employment span multiple administrations and need to be "drained from the swamp.”

Records show that of the roughly $2 million that federal workers from 14 agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September [2016], about $1.9 million, or 95 percent, went to the Democratic nominee’s campaign.

Employees at all the agencies analyzed, without exception, are sending their campaign contributions overwhelmingly to Clinton over her Republican counterpart.

Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.”

How about “them” apples….Willy?

They are confirmed loyal diehard “card carrying” Democrats whose employment span multiple administrations and need to be "drained from the swamp.”

Yeah... but they're AMERICANs, DAMMIT...

And fuckin' Putin has no goddam business meddling in our affairs...

Trump should be impeached & tried for High Treason...

They're not partisan appointees. They're career staffers who span multiple administrations.

Is that like a joke?

These guys do not sneeze before checking the demoncrap play book!

These guys should have been removed when Bush was elected but he wrongly thought you can reason with demoncraps. So ALL of Clinton's hacks were left in under bush and then Obummer made it worse by appointing even more political demoncrap hacks.

Trump is beating the demoncraps like they have never been beaten and they are freaking out! OMG its so fun to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah... but they're AMERICANs, DAMMIT...

And fuckin' Putin has no goddam business meddling in our affairs...

Well then you need to talk to Clinton and Obama who actually conspired with Russia all the time!

Yeah... but they're AMERICANs, DAMMIT...

Yeah….they’re Americans, that’s true. But as I so correctly pointed out to you: they’re also confirmed loyal diehard “card carrying” “Democrat Party” Americans who did NOT want Trump to become president and will do everything they can clandestinely possible do to make Trump either fail or embarrass him, DAMMIT …

I remind you that:

Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.”

Records confirm this.

Trump should be impeached ...

Oh, ABSOLUTELY he should be….but ONLY when there is proven and conviction of, “Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors." None of this has happened….and therefore, you are simply making a radically emotional statement. For any further considerations, I respectfully refer you to: Article II of the United States Constitution states in Section 4….you might want to check that out.

And fuckin' Putin has no goddam business meddling in our affairs...

Congratulations, Willy….you got that ONE right.

And fuckin' Putin has no goddam business meddling in our affairs...

That is correct little green willie.

But it is also correct that you should be prosecuted as an accessory to murder. Along with all the democrat filth you take the knee pads for.

Records confirm this.

Baloney... what records? Alternative records from wikileaks & the Kremlin?

And fuckin' Putin has no goddam business meddling in our affairs...

Finally a guy who can explain to me this mystery :)

How exactly Putin meddles in American politics?

Records confirm this.
Baloney... what records?

I’ll post it, but it probably is a waste of my time….since you will not believe it anyway. The information doesn’t fit into your agenda.

“In terms of dollar amount, Clinton received over $1.85 million in donations from federal employees, while Trump received just more than $106,500.”

Government workers shun Trump, give big money to Clinton.

Federal government employees are opening their wallets to help Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump on Nov. 8.

Of the roughly $2 million that federal workers from 14 agencies spent on presidential politics by the end of September, about $1.9 million, or 95 percent, went to the Democratic nominee’s campaign, according to an analysis by The Hill.

Employees at all the agencies analyzed, without exception, are sending their campaign contributions overwhelmingly to Clinton over her Republican counterpart. Several agencies, such as the State Department, which Clinton once led, saw more than 99 percent of contributions going to Clinton.

Employees of the Department of Justice, which investigated Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, gave Clinton 97 percent of their donations. Trump received $8,756 from DOJ employees compared with $286,797 for Clinton. From IRS employees, Clinton received 94 percent of donations.

Federal government employees overwhelmingly backed Clinton’s presidential campaign no matter which agency The Hill analyzed using Federal Election Commission data covering donors giving more than $200.

[…]

This report received EXTENSIVE coverage as shown HERE and nowhere has it been disputed.

10 most damning findings from report on Russian election interference

Written By: Eugene Scott, CNN

Get REAL....Willie!

10 most damning findings from report on Russian election interference

This is the MOST damning you can find? Clearly quantity cannot replace quality. Like these two:

7 "Russian media hailed President-elect Trump's victory as a vindication of Putin's advocacy of global populist movements - the theme of Putin's annual conference for Western academics in October 2016 -- and the latest example of Western liberalism's collapse."

10 "In early September, Putin said publicly it was important the DNC data was exposed to Wikileaks, calling the search for the source of the leaks a distraction [from the content of data] and denying Russian 'state-level' involvement."

Very damning indeed!

Trump should be impeached & tried for High Treason...

And you should be found at the bottom of the Tallahatchie River.

The PRESIDENT decides what American interests are. Functionaries in the government EXECUTE policy, but they do not MAKE it.

Here,here!

We are in complete agreement. I don't,and never have trusted those bastards any further than I could throw Rosie O'Donnell.

Why should Trump have to work with Obama appointees?

They're not partisan appointees.

Yeah,and water ain't wet,and Oprah is a skinny white woman.

There can be no continuity of policy with with Cold War era. That is what "continuity" means, and what the Democrats, Establishment Republicans, and State Department staffers who span multiple administrations want.

You might as well say "span multiple generations" as many of them actually represent old-line New England as well as OLD England banking families.

There is a VERY incestuous relationship between Old Money European banking families and the US State Department. The old family people like the Harriman's seem to be out of the picture these days,but in many cases they are still there,but hiding under the names the Harriman daughters and their daughters married into. One married a man named Prescott Bush in the last century,for example.

These people represent no one but themselves and the family banking interests. Sometimes that is the same as American interests,but that is just a coincidence.

Some are partisan appointees while the majority are not….but they are worse than partisan appointees.

They are confirmed loyal diehard “card carrying” Democrats whose employment span multiple administrations and need to be "drained from the swamp.”

Oh,it's worse than that. I bet if you were to check the family blood lines of the top administrators you would discover family linkages that go all the way back to right after the Revolutionary War.

They are in fact a shadow government. Sometimes that works for peace because they work for economic stability because it's good for business,but at other times they work for war because someone has taken over another government,booted out their family representatives in that nation,and shut down their profits and their influence. That's when they want to go to war.

hey are confirmed loyal diehard “card carrying” Democrats whose employment span multiple administrations and need to be "drained from the swamp.”

Yeah... but they're AMERICANs, DAMMIT...

BullBush! They are INTERNATIONALISTS!

AKA: "Globalists".

Is is they and their ilk that are pushing for a One World Government. THEY are the money people behind the end of sovereign nations.

These guys do not sneeze before checking the demoncrap play book!

You have it backwards. The Dims don't sneeze without their permission.

But it is also correct that you should be prosecuted as an accessory to murder.

"Murder"??

WTH did THAT come from?

How exactly Putin meddles in American politics?

HUNDREDS of ways,just like every other national leader meddles in the politics of every other government on the planet in order to seek better deals for his or her own nation.

It's a prime part of the job.

"How exactly Putin meddles in American politics?

HUNDREDS of ways,just like every other national leader meddles in the politics of every other government on the planet in order to seek better deals for his or her own nation.

It's a prime part of the job.

I know, but I expected something more spectacular - like Russian hackers falsifying American elections or at least putting some stuff in Mrs Clinton's coffee to make her say stupid things during her presidential campaign.

You might as well say "span multiple generations" as many of them actually represent old-line New England as well as OLD England banking families.

There is a VERY incestuous relationship between Old Money European banking families and the US State Department. The old family people like the Harriman's seem to be out of the picture these days,but in many cases they are still there,but hiding under the names the Harriman daughters and their daughters married into. One married a man named Prescott Bush in the last century,for example.

These people represent no one but themselves and the family banking interests. Sometimes that is the same as American interests,but that is just a coincidence.

Old line families are not much anymore.

The problem is that corporations simply amass too much money and power too quickly, with much greater command and control. Families are quarrelsome, small, and the individuals don't have staffs to deal with one another the way that corporate bodies too.

It's swell to be part of an old line family, and there is certainly the security of wealth there for many of them, but the wealth fades in comparison to the wealth of modern corporations. There are very few truly large wholly family-owned corporations.

"Murder"??

WTH did THAT come from?

Kelleyanne Conway's alternative universe, no doubt...

Willie votes for murder too.

Put his faggity ass on trial too.

Willie votes for murder too.

And you suck Jim Robinson's dirty dick...

Willie votes for murder too. And you suck Jim Robinson's dirty dick...

Willie you are our token liberal here.

That is why I allow you here.

For laughs only.

Also what I said is true. You regularly vote for murder.

What you said is actually what interests you. Typical baby killing liberal response.

I know, but I expected something more spectacular - like Russian hackers falsifying American elections

Not needed. There is an excess of leftist fools that are Americans who are more than willing to do that,and more.

or at least putting some stuff in Mrs Clinton's coffee to make her say stupid things during her presidential campaign.

Stupid is her normal mode. Putting a chemical in her coffee,or more likely morning glass of wine,to make her stupider might even have the opposite effect. After all,you can't go any further than to the bottom,and then you have to start coming back up.

The cunt votes to murder babies.

So what you MEANT to say was "She is pro-abortion",but your insanity kicked in and garbled the message.

"Murder" is a legal term,not an emotional one.

So what you MEANT to say was "She is pro-abortion",but your insanity kicked in and garbled the message.

"Murder" is a legal term,not an emotional one.

abortion is a political term for cunts and pussies who don't want to admit they are murderers.

I never took you for one to mince words. I guess you can be a bit of a coward and a pussy too.

Either that or you are a murderer at heart too.

I'll just go with you're a little PC at times unless you say otherwise.

but your insanity kicked in and garbled the message.

"Insanity" is also a legal term and shouldn't be used to describe slobbering ignorance.

There is an excess of leftist fools that are Americans who are more than willing to do that,and more.

My suspicion is that Trump has won in a landslide about 60% of votes. But somehow it did not show in the official results. I wonder ...

"Murder" is a legal term,not an emotional one.

When people kill, not being aware what they do, it is a manslaughter, not murder.

Just my opinion.

I know, but I expected something more spectacular - like Russian hackers falsifying American elections or at least putting some stuff in Mrs Clinton's coffee to make her say stupid things during her presidential campaign.

Clearly, the Xlinton campaign was totally inept at computer security. Their own fault, particularly Podesta's emails. Their errors were pretty much self-inflicted.

To the extent that the Russians "hacking" (i.e. revealing that the DNC stacked the deck against Bernie, the true disparaging opinions of Xlinton insiders like Podesta toward their own voters) affected the election, it was because the voters had accurate info about the candidate and how much she and the Xlinton gang despised pretty much everyone.

As SoS, Hitlery did meddle in Vlad's 2011 election, more to delegitimize his inevitable election rather than a serious attempt to unseat him. So Vlad was, in many ways, trying to return the favor to her. We should not too readily dismiss a certain Russian habit of revenge for perceived insulting behavior.

I don't think the Russians ever imagined, any more than anyone else in the West, that Trump would actually beat Hillary. I do think that Vlad would find delegitimizing the American election, worthwhile in itself but even more so against Hitlery, to be in his own interests as he is not a fan of democracy to begin with. He tolerates it, or at least the trappings of it.

Vlad made a typical Russian play to downgrade a democratic election in the leading Western country with an eye to upcoming elections in the EU, eastern Europe and Turkey. Russia is authoritarian and prefers to deal with other autocratic regimes.

Either that or you are a murderer at heart too.

I'll just go with you're a little PC at times unless you say otherwise.

FWIW,I am personally opposed to "convenience" abortions after the 3rd month.

However,what I am opposed to and what makes me happy are irrelevant because we are talking about a law,and laws have to be defined in black and white so people understand what they can do legally,and what they can't do legally.

And regardless of how *I* think about abortion,I am not arrogant enough to demand that MY opinion outweigh the opinion of some young girl or woman who is pregnant as the result of a rape,or whose life would be at risk if she were to try to carry to term. EVERYBODY has the right to self-defense,even pregnant woman.

And don't try to pull that "the baby has a right to life,too!" nonsense because a fetus is NOT a baby. If it were a baby,the legal term for it would be "baby",NOT fetus. Don't like the law? Change it.

When people kill, not being aware what they do, it is a manslaughter, not murder.

Just my opinion.

I am NOT a legal expert,but I THINK "manslaughter" is a big gray zone in the law,where it is not clear the doer's life was at risk,but it's not really clear it wasn't,either.

This way a jury of his or her peers,proving his or her peers are retired geezers with nothing else to do,bored housewives,or unemployed men,get to make the call instead of a judge.

And of course,it is probably rare in cases where the defendant is charged with manslaughter for the defendant to get serious prison time,or for them to not be able to return a "justifiable homicide" verdict. After all,if it was murder,the charge should have been murder.

I don't think the Russians ever imagined, any more than anyone else in the West, that Trump would actually beat Hillary.

Hell,I voted for Trump,and even I didn't think he was going to win.

Hell,I voted for Trump,and even I didn't think he was going to win.

I voted for Trump and knew he was going to win. I knew it when he announced. I knew it would resonate with regular folks.

 Russia is authoritarian and prefers to deal with other autocratic regimes.

It is nice that America is not authoritarian and stays away from the Saudis. Isn't it?

Hell,I voted for Trump,and even I didn't think he was going to win.

Thank Putin :)

Trump sure brought the libtard trash out of the closet on this site. HAAAA

Trump, making America AMERICAN again, one smelly illegal alien at a time. (That's my original quote, you may use that).

Keep your libtard slanted YELLA articles off the site

This is supposed to be a free speech zone, not JimRob site. Please.

Tpaine, pinguinite, sneakypete. You dont call randge a paultard but i think she supported him too.

This is supposed to be a free speech zone, not JimRob site. Please.

You have no constitutional rights here, libtard. Lies & YELLA propaganda, meant to agitate, ARE NOT SPEECH.

pinguinite, I pay no attention to.

Either way, I personally don't care if any one of our sites geriatric hippies supported Trump. He would have still won without the three votes... and the three you speak of, lick the boots of Decktard and hondope... sleep with dogs, wake with fleas.

It isn't right to write off everyone on California. You don't win by running away.

So you suggest you win by paying outrageous amounts of school and property taxes where the state USES YOUR TAX MONEY TO DEFEND THEIR OWN NAZI RULES, REGULATIONS AND LAWS against you? Is that how you win?

When a KOOKIFONIAN sues the state for immoral laws... where do you think the state gets the legal funds to pay for the states DEFENSE, you think that's free?

lol

"everyone in KOOKIFONIA" pays, in some form for their chains. Some like the chains, others don't... both are equally guilty of supporting the hand that binds them.

"This is supposed to be a free speech zone, not JimRob site. Please."

You have no constitutional rights here, libtard. Lies & YELLA propaganda, meant to agitate, ARE NOT SPEECH.

Jim, is it you?

Tpaine, pinguinite, sneakypete.

the three you speak of, lick the boots of Decktard and hondope...

Report to the sobriety checkpoint, comrade.

Most of the people here you call paultards voted for Trump.

They say they did and if they did….then it proves that a few Paultard libertarians can occasionally display some good sense.

But that does not hold true for the numbers of libertarians who are emerging as Trump resistance. As some Never Trumpers slowly fade off into the sunset….libertarians have taken up the cause.

You find the voices that have aligned with liberty movement are more often among the loudest ones now pushing back on Trump and his various proposals as libertarians continue to express misgivings.

The priorities are diverse in the often-contrarian liberty movement, and there has been diversity, too, in their criticism, ranging from the sense that the “Wall Street establishment” has been overly empowered by a number of Trump’s personnel selections who have deep ties to Goldman Sachs, to fears for civil liberties protections. Many libertarians were also plenty critical of George W. Bush, some activists note, so it’s not a big leap for them to express concerns about another Republican president.

Libertarians are a fickle group….unreliable and unpredictable.

Don’t believe me….that libertarians are anti-Trump?

Then just take a look at what the libertarian’s Bible, reason.com, has to say about it:

*Of Course* Libertarians Are Leading the Charge Against Trump's Authoritarianism

See, I told you …

Or, at least I tried to tell you!

Keep your libtard slanted YELLA articles off the site, monkey boy.

WOW! I had no idea you owned Liberty's Flame now.

AKA,did you sell it to him,or just turn over control?

You have no constitutional rights here, libtard.

And here I was thinking this site was hosted in America,and owned by an American that believed in freedom of speech and thought.

Guess I was wrong,and it's now owned by a leatherboy homosexual so deep in the closet he over-compensates for being a sissy-boy.

Tpaine remains a paultard for willingly living in the worst Nazi state,

So says the retard that lives in NY.

It isn't right to write off everyone on California. You don't win by running away.

AMEN!

In FACT,there are a LOT of conservatives that live in Ca. The problem is they live in the rural areas and work,instead of living in the big cities and living off of government jobs and welfare. That's why you never hear of them.

Same thing when I was living in Colorado. Get outside of Denver,Aspen,Golden,Boulder,and Colorado Springs,and you run into nothing BUT conservatives.

And it was getting worse every year in Colorado because a lot of the leftist loons that voted for all the free stuff in Ca had to move away once the taxes were raised to pay for all the stuff they voted for. So they moved to Colorado,mostly Denver,Aspen,Vail,or Boulder,and immediately started lobbying for the same laws they lobbied for that made Ca unlivable for them.

Stinky will remain a paultard for his LIBERALtarian love for fags.

BTW,goober,people like Thomas Jefferson,George Washington,and Ben Franklin were the original American "Libertarians",and it was due to them we got a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that guaranteed our individual freedoms.

Easy to see why you object to that,though. You aren't very bright,so you became a cop.

You find the voices that have aligned with liberty movement are more often among the loudest ones now pushing back on Trump and his various proposals as libertarians continue to express misgivings.

Being being free scares you,doesn't it?

Everyone cannot afford to move.

Ah, the old catch-22 situation: Everyone cannot afford to move out of California – while a lot of people are moving out of California because they can't afford to live there anymore.

For every home buyer coming into the state, there are three Californians selling and moving elsewhere. [Data analysis firm CoreLogic].

Incomes just haven't kept up with the home price bonanza for many people -- particularly for the working and middle class. Despite strong job and wage growth, the Golden State has been losing residents for years and could be facing a shortage of middle-wage workers, according to a report from Beacon Economics released in March.

Anyone stuck in California can “bite the bullet” now, or they can “bite the bullet” later….in either case, it will be tough.

Being free scares you,doesn't it?

Why, because I was just naturally Born Free.

Natural birth in a farmhouse with a neighbor lady from the next farm over attending.

How much more “being free” with a start in life like that could I possibly be?

I’ll answer my own question….NONE.

Ya know, I was born so free that even an ever popular song with music by John Barry and lyrics by Don Black was written about me.

Want to hear it?

Sure you do!

Just listen:

Like it?

I felt that you would …

Have you ever had a song expressely written about you?

No?

Awh ...

Uh....what was your question, again?

Uh....what was your question, again?

Don't let it worry you. You obviously wouldn't understand it the second time,either.

All of the Land Rovers and Range Rovers I have owned [dating back to the first Series III in 1974] for exploring the outback in Arizona and Utah were named: Born Free.

I wanted to throw that touching bit of nostalgia in for you.

Stay in touch....ya hear.

All of the Land Rovers and Range Rovers I have owned [dating back to the first Series III in 1974] for exploring the outback in Arizona and Utah were named: Born Free.

Ok.

And here I was thinking this site was hosted in America,and owned by an American that believed in freedom of speech and thought.

Constantly talk about how equal fags are... and see how your fantasy works out for ya, fag lover

So says the retard that lives in NY.

I moved from New York about a year before Goldie shit the bed and was found rotting and alone, decaying on her Jewish floor for 2 weeks.

Being being

Is stuttering a symptom of AIDS?

I have a bridge to sell you.

Btw... making excuses for dysfunctional behavior is a LIBERAL TRAIT.

worship all the anti gov koolaid

Don't deny that there are several Timmy Mcveigh boot lickers here that worship all the anti gov koolaid

Ronald Reagan:

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

Btw... making excuses for dysfunctional behavior is a LIBERAL TRAIT.

That must make you and Gatlin LIBERALS then, since you continue to make excuses for dysfunctional cops.

Why, because I was just naturally Born Free.

Natural birth in a farmhouse with a neighbor lady from the next farm over attending.

How much more “being free” with a start in life like that could I possibly be?

I’ll answer my own question….NONE.

Ya know, I was born so free that even an ever popular song with music by John Barry and lyrics by Don Black was written about me.

Anyone who believes they are free because of the circumstances of their birth or because someone wrote a song about them is definitely a primary candidate for lemminghood. The psychological trick of coaxing people into submission by convincing them they are free is well established. That we were all taught growing up how lucky we were to be born in the USA being one prime example.

You, Gatlin, don't understand what freedom is. If you did, you wouldn't have your fetish about libertarianism, which has the principle of freedom defining it's foundation. I'm not saying you should be one, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to argue, say, about marijuana use hurting society. You simply don't understand libertarianism and have no desire to. Hell, you only barely respect the First Amendment. You seriously have some fetish about the word that you do not have for communism or even criminal behavior.

People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you …

Absolutely, you are 100% correct. People can live where they want….they don’t have to answer to GrandIsland, but the are answering to themselves.

And people are answering to themselves by deciding they no longer want to live in that crap hole place called, California. The are moving out in droves: 5 Million People Left California Over the Past Decade.

The mass exodus from California is in progress:

Exodus from California

California Won't Fall Into The Sea -- It's Moving To Texas Instead

Report - The Great California Exodus: A Closer Look

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/great-california-exodus- closer-look-5853.html

Joel Kotkin: The Great California Exodus

Why poorer, uneducated people are leaving California

THE CALIFORNIA EXODUS ACCELERATES

Exodus from California

Exodus from CA by the Middle Class

California Exodus

“California Exodus” Takes Aim at Public Schools

Mass Exodus From California

The Exodus Of People Moving Away From California Is Becoming An Avalanche

The exodus out of the Golden State continues with Nestle USA being the latest business …

Mass Exodus of Manufacturing from California

Will California's Outlier Status Accelerate Exodus?

Will there be a great California exodus due to housing and rent prices?

Exodus from the California Core …

Money's leaving California in a hurry

San Diego's Business Exodus Is Really a People Exodus

The Exodus out of California & it's Affect on Real Estate Values

Hawks California Exodus Program is helping Las Vegas Home ...

Money Matters - What is behind the mass Exodus from California ...

Even Booming Bay Area Sees an Exodus

The “exodus” has begun for the apparel industry ...

Hollywood's Big Budget Film Exodus Loses California $9.6 Billion

Brown accelerates California exodus

A Silicon Valley exodus? Redfin analysis finds Bay Area residents are ...

Exodus: California Tax Revenue Plunges by 22% -

High cost of California housing driving resident exodus

Toyota Motor Corporation Joins Exodus From California to Texas ...

The California exodus to Texas is reflected in market-based, one-way ...

California's minimum wage hike causing mass exodus, implosion in ...

3 Simple Charts That Help Explain Why 9,000 Businesses Have Left ...

California exodus turns to stampede -

San Diego Fact Check: California's Business Mass Exodus

"Exit Taxes": How California Tries to Stop the Lower Middle Class ...

<16 Reasons Why Americans are Leaving California by the Millions/font>

And the links go on ….

Since you obviously have extreme difficulty with satire -
     Let’s see how well you can handle some really great humor.

What's the difference between Big Foot and an intelligent libertarian?
     Big Foot has been spotted several times.

Why is psychoanalysis quicker for a libertarian than for someone else?
     When its time to regress back to his childhood, he's already there.

What is libertarians favorite salad?
     Lettuce alone.

Decktard

The sites bootlicker. Wipe the paultard polish off your face.

People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you.

When did I ever assert otherwise? The only one that answers to me is me. However, this is America. Land of the FREE. And in America if you....

Overdose on drugs, you're FREE to die. Destroy Narcan

Refuse to work... then you are FREE to starve. Destroy welfare

Willingly stay in a Nazi state... don't call others bootlicker on Paultard Flame. Com. You aren't FREE to be a hypocrite... unless the president of PaultardFlame.com defends said hypocritical FREEDOM.

Constantly talk about how equal fags are... and see how your fantasy works out for ya, fag lover

Is that right,Princess?

Is stuttering a symptom of AIDS?

I can see why you are worried.

Ronald Reagan:
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

Reagan Was Wrong:
     The Nine Most Terrifying Words Are, “I’m a Libertarian and the Market Will Save You” .

Reagan Was Wrong: The Nine Most Terrifying Words Are, “I’m a Libertarian and the Market Will Save You.”

I was tailgating with my wife and two friends in the parking lot of Miller Park before a Brewers game yesterday, when a guy with a pasted-on, plastic, local-news-anchor smile approached our group. He wanted us to sign a petition to get his "buddy" on the ballot for state treasurer. Of course, the first question I asked him was which party his "buddy" belonged to, and the guy told us he was a Libertarian.

Poor guy, he didn't realize he was approaching a liberal blogger and his progressive friends. Not an audience that was going to easily buy what he had to sell. I politely told him that I wouldn't support a Libertarian candidate, and like a telemarketer dutifully and mechanically following a script provided to him to handle rejection, he asked why I didn't support Libertarians. I explained that I did not harbor a dislike or distrust of government, and that I thought there were certain jobs that only government could do. Without removing the wooden smile from his face, he moved to the next page of his telemarketer script and asked me if he could have one minute to "rebate" what I had said, and he proceeded to tell us that the free market is perfectly efficient and the best way to solve problems. I started to laugh and told him that, yes, the financial collapse two years ago was a great example of the market solving problems. And also, another great example was the oil pouring into the Gulf of Mexico. My wife and friends joined in the laughter, and our Libertarian guest could no longer maintain his fake smile. His voice and facial expression turned angry, and he stormed off to the next group of tailgaters, spitting out something barely intelligible at us as he left.

I thought this interaction perfectly encapsulated the anti-government, pro-market-solution obsession currently running through the right, especially among tea baggers and self-proclaimed libertarians. They love to cite Ronald Reagan's line that the "nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" But I'm far more afraid of someone telling me, "I'm a Libertarian (or Tea Party member) and the market will save you."

You would think from listening to the rhetoric that we have two choices in this country: Either you adopt the right's notion of deregulation and an unfettered free market, or you are a socialist. There is no in-between. Which is, of course, patently false, but also maddeningly ignorant of recent American history. Taking the financial industry as an example, after the election of Franklin Roosevelt, Congress quickly enacted legislation, like the Securities Act of 1933, the Banking Act of 1933 (Glass-Steagall), and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, meant to curb the excesses of an unfettered financial system, which had led to the stock market crash of 1929 and the depression that ensued. And for the next 45 years, the country was able to avoid any mass financial collapses.

Then, beginning with Reagan, and continuing through George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, and reaching its peak with the ultimate deregulation messiah, George W. Bush, the government took down the post- Depression financial regulation structure brick by brick, following a mantra that deregulation helped the market to function freely, and a free market will produce the best results.

What did we get? The savings and loan scandal, the Enron- induced power outages in California, corporate fraud (Enron, etc.) and, ultimately, a financial industry run amok (arcane financial instruments, insanely risky investments that banks profited from regardless of their success, and credit rating agencies handing out AAA ratings like candy to keep customers, just to name some examples), all leading to a near financial collapse that plunged the country (and the rest of the world) into a job-sapping, deep recession.

All evidence would seem to point to the need for some regulation to keep the banks from running amok, but the right still clings to its mantra of deregulation and unfettered free markets.

I also thought it was not a coincidence that not once, not twice, but three times during his two-minute pitch to us, our Libertarian petitioner talked of having the opportunity to "rebate" what I had said about his cause. (Not "rebut" or "debate" or whatever else he actually meant, but "rebate," which had me secretly hoping he had a way to refund to us some of our time he had wasted.) It was fitting because so much of the right wing/Tea Party/libertarian anger is based on false notions (much of it, no doubt, a product of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and the right wing media misinformation machine), and the urgency of his words was not supported by a basic ability to use the English language to make an argument, leaving the content of his claims even more suspect.

I can already hear the complaints now: I'm an elitist snob for chiding someone for making a mistake. If I was pointing out that, say, the guy who scanned our tickets at the Miller Park gate had been less than smooth with his words, I would deserve the criticism (that didn't happen, it's just an example). But here was a guy who was so sure of his beliefs, he not only gave up a Sunday to walk around a baseball stadium parking lot to collect signatures (admirable commitment), but he felt empowered to tell everyone there that he was right and they were wrong. And if you are going to take such a position and hold yourself out as an authority, it is fair to question the knowledge and intelligence underlying the strong assertions.

Our Libertarian petitioner's certainty isn't just simplistic, it is a real impediment to solving our country's problems. The alternative to unfettered free markets is not socialism, but rather, it is free markets with basic regulations in place to prevent abuse, just like the financial regulation architecture that protected the country after the Great Depression. (Somehow, I don't think we were living in a socialist state when Eisenhower and Nixon held the presidency.) I know subtlety is a lost art in modern politics, but if we are to survive, we will have to recognize that there are more than two extreme choices. These same right wingers don't seem to mind when the government subsidizes the oil industry, and I doubt that they want to shut down the libraries, public schools, fire departments, and highway maintenance departments, all of which are run by the government (and would not exist if left to a private, free-market model). Conservatives, tea baggers and libertarians want you to think it's a simple dichotomous choice: free markets or socialism, or no government or all government. But such a reductionist view fails to account for how complicated and integrated the relationship between public and private actually is. (Yes, I know, asking for nuance rather than black-and-white distinctions is tragically 20th century.) Let's remember the angry town hall attendees last summer telling members of Congress to keep their government hands off of their Medicare. Even they liked a government program, but they didn't even know it.

There was one aspect of our Libertarian petitioner's approach that especially rang true to me: The false smile covering his real anger. Tea Party leaders are quick to say there is no place in their movement for racism, but at those same rallies you see racist signs about President Obama. Let's not forget the March Harris poll that revealed that 57 percent of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim, and 45 percent think he wasn't born in the United States. Somehow, I doubt these people would be concerned about the religion or place of birth of John Kerry, Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, let alone John McCain, Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani. When right wingers talk about taking "their" country back, it's hard to see "their" as meaning anything but a system in which power rested in white, male, Christian hands. When tea baggers put a happy, smiley face on the movement, I can't help but be wary of the angry snarl underneath. So I wasn't the least bit surprised when our Libertarian petitioner's plastic grin quickly devolved into an angry scowl when he realized that he didn't have the ammunition to win over someone who was even marginally informed.

These are not merely philosophical questions. Late last week, financial reform legislation was watered down at the last minute to ensure its passage. After what happened in 2008, opposing real reform in areas like derivatives and the so-called "Volcker Rules" defies logic. With unemployment hovering around 10 percent thanks to a recession precipitated by a near financial industry collapse, I don't agree with Ronald Reagan. I'm not scared of the government trying to help. But I am terrified of an unfettered free market allowing industry leaders, whether they be in the financial industry or the oil business, ruled by greed, putting the country at risk to unfairly further line their already bulging pockets.

People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you. The state you live in has nothing to do with a person being good or bad, conservative or liberal. It is a silly position to attack from.

I agree.

Willingly stay in a Nazi state...

Like Steve Bannon.

Destroy Narcan

So some tènage girl who made a mistkae dies?

Wouldnt it be better to help people when you can instead od just letting them die?

I know it is their mistake and it would be their own fault.

But if you can help someone having problems to overcome their obstacles wouldn't that be a better world?

Believe it or not people who use drugs aren't all bad people worthy of death.

Sometimes someones child out of curiosity will try these drugs. I'd rather they be given narcan and a chance to get on the right track.

Poor guy, he didn't realize he was approaching a liberal blogger and his progressive friends.

So - a self admitted progressive liberal says Reagan was incorrect?

Seems like those are the only types of low-lifes you use as sources in your obsessive rants against libertarian principles.

Screw whatever his message was …

Since you obviously have extreme difficulty with satire -

I don't. But satire only works when conducted by serious writers who can write about topic in an intelligent, critical fashion. When employed by people without that skill, the audience cannot tell it is satire because it is not materially different from their ordinary writings.

Next time, please leave satire to the professionals.

Next time, please leave satire to the professionals.

No!

I'll act like I am a libertarian....I'll do whatever I want to and call it: FREEDOM.

I'll act like I am a libertarian....I'll do whatever I want to and call it: FREEDOM.

Very good. If you do it right, maybe you'll learn something.

I'll act like I am a libertaria n...
Very good. If you do it right, maybe you'll learn something.

Learn something?
     Like learning about Aleppo …

ROTFLMAO …

Screw whatever his message was …

If a message comes from a self-admitted progressive, you can be sure Gatlin agrees with it.

Especially if the message is critical of libertarianism.

If a message comes from a self-admitted progressive,

Odd....wasn't one of your libertraian asshole buddies banned for a period for posting LIES on this forum?

Sure he was....and you know it.

Now, tell me about LIBERTARIAN LIARS ...

Like Steve Bannon.

Steve Bannon doesn't bend you over, and USE your site to call everyone that isn't a paultard KOOK, a bootlicker.

So some tènage girl who made a mistkae dies?

Injecting heroin into your arm is a "mistake"?

Shit, you might as well call it a disease, like your kook posting base. How WEAK of you.

What happens in the wild when an animal makes a mistake? Liberalness can't thrive without your WEAKNESS. I never took you for a snowflake. You aren't gonna start rioting because big bad mean Trump is in office, are ya?

I think I'm pretty much finished with this paultard palace, PaultardFlame.org. You run a filthy drug addict loving hippie shithole... and I think the limited posters and discussion you get is well deserved on your part.

You'll always have a few new kooks that get evicted from normal political forums like FR...but if you haven't figured it out, most of your posters are old kook assholes. Soon, after they die off, it will be just you... posting religious articles to only Bucky... when you inevitably let him back in like you do the pro fag rights posters. Hell, you might as well invite Meguro back.

I wish you luck, stay under the radar... and never allow anyone to use your kindness for weakness. Then you're part of the enabling problem.

Keep my email. Stay in touch.

What happens in the wild when an animal makes a mistake?

We're not wild animals. They don't have a government and roads to drive on.

Also yes it would be a mistake. Everyone makes them.

Steve Bannon doesn't bend you over, and USE your site to call everyone that isn't a paultard KOOK, a bootlicker.

Nope. But he lives in California and you implied everyone who lives there is a piece of shit.

I think I'm pretty much finished with this paultard palace, PaultardFlame.org.

See you in the funny papers, grandma.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Liberalness can't thrive without your WEAKNESS. I never took you for a snowflake.

lol

You aren't gonna start rioting because big bad mean Trump is in office, are ya?

I supported him when you were still a Paultard supporting Rand Paul.

I wish you luck, stay under the radar... and never allow anyone to use your kindness for weakness.

Pebbles has no kindness, he's like you...looney.

I think I'm pretty much finished with this paultard palace, PaultardFlame.org. You run a filthy drug addict loving hippie shithole..

So your true feelings. Ok. No problem i've been lied to before.

and I think the limited posters and discussion you get is well deserved on your part.

I can't disagree with that one.

You'll always have a few new kooks that get evicted from normal political forums like FR...but if you haven't figured it out, most of your posters are old kook assholes.

Ok.

Soon, after they die off, it will be just you... posting religious articles to only Bucky... when you inevitably let him back in like you do the pro fag rights posters.

I've already let buckeroo back in. He doesn't like you.

most of your posters are old kook assholes. Soon, after they die off, it will be just you... posting religious articles to only Bucky... when you inevitably let him back in like you do the pro fag rights posters. Hell, you might as well invite Meguro back.

There ya go.... FireIsland must run and find a safe space, before Bucky and Meguro return and kick his azz. It's for "officer safety"

He's a special snowflake like that.

Free buckeroo!

Where's bucky?

You should ask 3-Dee that question ...

There ya go.... FireIsland must run and find a safe space

You'd think that someone like FireIsland who constantly rails against "weakness" would be able to "man-up" and stand his ground, not slink away like a cringing little coward - but then again, he was supposedly once a cop.

You should ask 3-Dee that question ...

3-Dee ID is 239

buckeroo ID is 20

It's not the same account with the name changed, if that's what you're implying..

Destroy Narcan

So some tènage girl who made a mistkae dies?

Wouldnt it be better to help people when you can instead od just letting them die?

I know it is their mistake and it would be their own fault.

But if you can help someone having problems to overcome their obstacles wouldn't that be a better world?

Believe it or not people who use drugs aren't all bad people worthy of death.

Sometimes someones child out of curiosity will try these drugs. I'd rather they be given narcan and a chance to get on the right track.

Careful there,Bubba! You are sounding WAAAY too sane! If you keep that up,you just might be banned from the interweb.

Seems like those are the only types of low-lifes you use as sources in your obsessive rants against libertarian principles.

Gatlin is just afraid that someone,somewhere is having a good time.

Scares the hell out of him.

I'll do whatever I want to and call it: FREEDOM.

Just out of curiosity,what do you normally call it?

You'll always have a few new kooks that get evicted from normal political forums like FR.

ROFLMAO!

And what makes it even funnier,is you are too thick to understand why it's funny.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

I think Fire Island is used to being hit in the ass.

You'll always have a few new kooks that get evicted from normal political forums like FR.

So what are you doing here? I do not want you to leave, I am just curious.

What do you mean …

3-Dee ID is 239
buckeroo ID is 20

What does that tell us?

That you're the disinfo Canary?

Why did you say that we should ask 3-Dee?

You're a trouble maker, and a war monger like you Senator, ISIS McCain!

You're a trouble maker …

However, if I were….ever were….to agree to that, then truthfulness would compel me to explicitly complete your partial statement by adding …

… and a superb marvelously magnificent one.

you posted [3-Dee has an ID of 239 and buckedroo has an ID of 20]

You can't handle the truth!

Read all the way down through my forthcoming post....and then watch the video.

It's not the same account with the name changed, if that's what you're implying..

By you asking such a question to me….are you implying that I am implying that it’s “the same account with the name changed?”

Implying,"moi"?

How could possibly think such a silly thing?

And of course “it’s not the same account with the name changed”

But can two different accounts with two different names be registered 219 IDs apart with each ID using a different ISP and email address from one to the other….and done by one person?

Ask Tater if it can be done, if he is still around …

Moving on now, to your next question …

Why did you say that we should ask 3-Dee?

I never said “we” should do anything. You were not included in the post…neither were you pinged to the post.

But since you asked, I will show you what a magnanimously considerate person I am and in the quietest and most pleasant tenants possible….answer your question.

I will do this, even though you really should first sincerely apologize for calling me “a war monger like you Senator, ISIS McCain!”

I just thought that since Buck had been suspended and then 3-Dee showed up immediately after a 7 years hiatus….the two of them exchange pleasantries at the “LF door.”

I thought that 3-Dee might have known where Bucky was heading [when 3-Dee met Bucky going out the door as he was coming in], and therefore 3-Dee could answer the question Fred asked: “Where's bucky?”

Each time I read Fred asking, “where’s bucky” - I visualize you and Deckard standing by Fred while Fred is asking “where’s bucky” like this …

Come on, you gotta admit that’s funny.

Can’t you just see the three of you looking and reacting like those 3 little old ladies …

You are correct themail numbers have nothing to do with I'd. Only a retard would conclude that.

Thanks ...

:)

I'll do whatever I want to and call it: FREEDOM.
Just out of curiosity,what do you normally call it?

I just do whatever I want to….and that is “normal” for me.

It is always a pleasure to satisfy your curiosity, Pete.

Stay in touch …

Most of the people here you call paultards voted for Trump.

Tpaine, pinguinite, sneakypete. ------

A K A Stone

I made a 4-to-1 bet on Trump, and won $1000, --- which should show the grand/gatlin idiots something about my conservative/libertarian commitment to Trumps policies.

But of course, we all know their real problem with libertarian principles, --- is the lack of any real conservative principles of their own.

They aren't conservatives at all, --- gatlin and his toadies are quasi-fascist clowns, as is evident from their own postings.

GrandIsland (#58) ----- Tpaine remains a paultard for willingly living in the worst Nazi state,

So says the retard that lives in NY. --- sneakypete

I moved from New York about a year before Goldie shit the bed and was found rotting and alone, decaying on her Jewish floor for 2 weeks. --- GrandIsland

The grandi quasi-nazi OUTS himself with his anti-Semitic remarks about Goldie, and his idiotic comments on living in California, -- a State infested by our (conservative constitutionalists) common enemies, anti-conservatives.

Which begs the question, if the gatlin clowns hate avowed Trump supporters, how good is their commitment to Trumps policies? ---- I'd say as weak as they obviously are.....

He departed, so don't worry about him.

Which part of the entity best known as gatlin the clown, --- departed?

And rest assured, I don't worry about the clowns. It amuses me to rattle their cages now and then.

I have gatslime on Bozo.

FireIsland departed. --- I have gatslime on Bozo.

Why bother with the bozo on gat? It just encourages him to invent other personas to get his point across.

Course, the grandiose one was particularly obnoxious. Good to see him gone.

Lets hope he comes up with another one like the 'admiral', He was sorta fun, until he ran out of clever, and started spouting the same crap as 'gatlin'...

What happens in the wild when an animal makes a mistake? Liberalness can't thrive without your WEAKNESS. I never took you for a snowflake. You aren't gonna start rioting because big bad mean Trump is in office, are ya?

You're funny in a twisted,sick,closeted homosexual psychotic way.

You talk about wild animals and 50k primers,but I'd bet if you were hiding in a cabin in the woods you would be so scared you would shoot yourself. You are a creature of the city and the city system. You have no freaking idea what freedom means or what it is about.