#45:Tooconservative
To: A Pole, ConservingFreedom(#33)
I know, but I expected something more spectacular - like Russian hackers falsifying American elections or at least putting some stuff in Mrs Clinton's coffee to make her say stupid things during her presidential campaign.
Clearly, the Xlinton campaign was totally inept at computer security. Their own fault, particularly Podesta's emails. Their errors were pretty much self-inflicted.
To the extent that the Russians "hacking" (i.e. revealing that the DNC stacked the deck against Bernie, the true disparaging opinions of Xlinton insiders like Podesta toward their own voters) affected the election, it was because the voters had accurate info about the candidate and how much she and the Xlinton gang despised pretty much everyone.
As SoS, Hitlery did meddle in Vlad's 2011 election, more to delegitimize his inevitable election rather than a serious attempt to unseat him. So Vlad was, in many ways, trying to return the favor to her. We should not too readily dismiss a certain Russian habit of revenge for perceived insulting behavior.
I don't think the Russians ever imagined, any more than anyone else in the West, that Trump would actually beat Hillary. I do think that Vlad would find delegitimizing the American election, worthwhile in itself but even more so against Hitlery, to be in his own interests as he is not a fan of democracy to begin with. He tolerates it, or at least the trappings of it.
Vlad made a typical Russian play to downgrade a democratic election in the leading Western country with an eye to upcoming elections in the EU, eastern Europe and Turkey. Russia is authoritarian and prefers to deal with other autocratic regimes.
I'll just go with you're a little PC at times unless you say otherwise.
FWIW,I am personally opposed to "convenience" abortions after the 3rd month.
However,what I am opposed to and what makes me happy are irrelevant because we are talking about a law,and laws have to be defined in black and white so people understand what they can do legally,and what they can't do legally.
And regardless of how *I* think about abortion,I am not arrogant enough to demand that MY opinion outweigh the opinion of some young girl or woman who is pregnant as the result of a rape,or whose life would be at risk if she were to try to carry to term. EVERYBODY has the right to self-defense,even pregnant woman.
And don't try to pull that "the baby has a right to life,too!" nonsense because a fetus is NOT a baby. If it were a baby,the legal term for it would be "baby",NOT fetus. Don't like the law? Change it.
When people kill, not being aware what they do, it is a manslaughter, not murder.
Just my opinion.
I am NOT a legal expert,but I THINK "manslaughter" is a big gray zone in the law,where it is not clear the doer's life was at risk,but it's not really clear it wasn't,either.
This way a jury of his or her peers,proving his or her peers are retired geezers with nothing else to do,bored housewives,or unemployed men,get to make the call instead of a judge.
And of course,it is probably rare in cases where the defendant is charged with manslaughter for the defendant to get serious prison time,or for them to not be able to return a "justifiable homicide" verdict. After all,if it was murder,the charge should have been murder.
I was telling your forum he'd win as soon threw his red MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN hat in the ring... and your PAULTARD posting cult that lives here mocked me.
Trump, making America AMERICAN again, one smelly illegal alien at a time. (That's my original quote, you may use that).
Tpaine remains a paultard for willingly living in the worst Nazi state, KOOKIFONIA. Stinky will remain a paultard for his LIBERALtarian love for fags.
pinguinite, I pay no attention to.
Either way, I personally don't care if any one of our sites geriatric hippies supported Trump. He would have still won without the three votes... and the three you speak of, lick the boots of Decktard and hondope... sleep with dogs, wake with fleas.
It isn't right to write off everyone on California. You don't win by running away.
So you suggest you win by paying outrageous amounts of school and property taxes where the state USES YOUR TAX MONEY TO DEFEND THEIR OWN NAZI RULES, REGULATIONS AND LAWS against you? Is that how you win?
When a KOOKIFONIAN sues the state for immoral laws... where do you think the state gets the legal funds to pay for the states DEFENSE, you think that's free?
lol
"everyone in KOOKIFONIA" pays, in some form for their chains. Some like the chains, others don't... both are equally guilty of supporting the hand that binds them.
Most of the people here you call paultards voted for Trump.
They say they did and if they did .then it proves that a few Paultard libertarians can occasionally display some good sense.
But that does not hold true for the numbers of libertarians who are emerging as Trump resistance. As some Never Trumpers slowly fade off into the sunset .libertarians have taken up the cause.
You find the voices that have aligned with liberty movement are more often among the loudest ones now pushing back on Trump and his various proposals as libertarians continue to express misgivings.
The priorities are diverse in the often-contrarian liberty movement, and there has been diversity, too, in their criticism, ranging from the sense that the Wall Street establishment has been overly empowered by a number of Trumps personnel selections who have deep ties to Goldman Sachs, to fears for civil liberties protections. Many libertarians were also plenty critical of George W. Bush, some activists note, so its not a big leap for them to express concerns about another Republican president.
Libertarians are a fickle group .unreliable and unpredictable.
Dont believe me .that libertarians are anti-Trump?
Then just take a look at what the libertarians Bible, reason.com, has to say about it:
It isn't right to write off everyone on California. You don't win by running away.
AMEN!
In FACT,there are a LOT of conservatives that live in Ca. The problem is they live in the rural areas and work,instead of living in the big cities and living off of government jobs and welfare. That's why you never hear of them.
Same thing when I was living in Colorado. Get outside of Denver,Aspen,Golden,Boulder,and Colorado Springs,and you run into nothing BUT conservatives.
And it was getting worse every year in Colorado because a lot of the leftist loons that voted for all the free stuff in Ca had to move away once the taxes were raised to pay for all the stuff they voted for. So they moved to Colorado,mostly Denver,Aspen,Vail,or Boulder,and immediately started lobbying for the same laws they lobbied for that made Ca unlivable for them.
Stinky will remain a paultard for his LIBERALtarian love for fags.
BTW,goober,people like Thomas Jefferson,George Washington,and Ben Franklin were the original American "Libertarians",and it was due to them we got a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that guaranteed our individual freedoms.
Easy to see why you object to that,though. You aren't very bright,so you became a cop.
You find the voices that have aligned with liberty movement are more often among the loudest ones now pushing back on Trump and his various proposals as libertarians continue to express misgivings.
Ah, the old catch-22 situation: Everyone cannot afford to move out of California while a lot of people are moving out of California because they can't afford to live there anymore.
For every home buyer coming into the state, there are three Californians selling and moving elsewhere. [Data analysis firm CoreLogic].
Incomes just haven't kept up with the home price bonanza for many people -- particularly for the working and middle class. Despite strong job and wage growth, the Golden State has been losing residents for years and could be facing a shortage of middle-wage workers, according to a report from Beacon Economics released in March.
Anyone stuck in California can bite the bullet now, or they can bite the bullet later .in either case, it will be tough.
All of the Land Rovers and Range Rovers I have owned [dating back to the first Series III in 1974] for exploring the outback in Arizona and Utah were named: Born Free.
I wanted to throw that touching bit of nostalgia in for you.
All of the Land Rovers and Range Rovers I have owned [dating back to the first Series III in 1974] for exploring the outback in Arizona and Utah were named: Born Free.
People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you. The state you live in has nothing to do with a person being good or bad, conservative or liberal. It is a silly position to attack from.
Natural birth in a farmhouse with a neighbor lady from the next farm over attending.
How much more being free with a start in life like that could I possibly be?
Ill answer my own question .NONE.
Ya know, I was born so free that even an ever popular song with music by John Barry and lyrics by Don Black was written about me.
Anyone who believes they are free because of the circumstances of their birth or because someone wrote a song about them is definitely a primary candidate for lemminghood. The psychological trick of coaxing people into submission by convincing them they are free is well established. That we were all taught growing up how lucky we were to be born in the USA being one prime example.
You, Gatlin, don't understand what freedom is. If you did, you wouldn't have your fetish about libertarianism, which has the principle of freedom defining it's foundation. I'm not saying you should be one, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to argue, say, about marijuana use hurting society. You simply don't understand libertarianism and have no desire to. Hell, you only barely respect the First Amendment. You seriously have some fetish about the word that you do not have for communism or even criminal behavior.
People can live where they want. They don't have to answer to you.
When did I ever assert otherwise? The only one that answers to me is me. However, this is America. Land of the FREE. And in America if you....
Overdose on drugs, you're FREE to die. Destroy Narcan
Refuse to work... then you are FREE to starve. Destroy welfare
Willingly stay in a Nazi state... don't call others bootlicker on Paultard Flame. Com. You aren't FREE to be a hypocrite... unless the president of PaultardFlame.com defends said hypocritical FREEDOM.
#42: Willie Green To: sneakypete (#40)
"Insanity" is also a legal term and shouldn't be used to describe slobbering ignorance.
Willie Green posted on 2017-03-10 10:53:27 Reply Private Reply
#43: A Pole To: sneakypete (#39)
My suspicion is that Trump has won in a landslide about 60% of votes. But somehow it did not show in the official results. I wonder ...
A Pole posted on 2017-03-10 13:01:08 Reply Private Reply
#44: A Pole To: sneakypete, A K A Stone (#40)
When people kill, not being aware what they do, it is a manslaughter, not murder.
Just my opinion.
A Pole posted on 2017-03-10 13:03:23 Reply Private Reply
#45: Tooconservative To: A Pole, ConservingFreedom (#33)
Clearly, the Xlinton campaign was totally inept at computer security. Their own fault, particularly Podesta's emails. Their errors were pretty much self-inflicted.
To the extent that the Russians "hacking" (i.e. revealing that the DNC stacked the deck against Bernie, the true disparaging opinions of Xlinton insiders like Podesta toward their own voters) affected the election, it was because the voters had accurate info about the candidate and how much she and the Xlinton gang despised pretty much everyone.
As SoS, Hitlery did meddle in Vlad's 2011 election, more to delegitimize his inevitable election rather than a serious attempt to unseat him. So Vlad was, in many ways, trying to return the favor to her. We should not too readily dismiss a certain Russian habit of revenge for perceived insulting behavior.
I don't think the Russians ever imagined, any more than anyone else in the West, that Trump would actually beat Hillary. I do think that Vlad would find delegitimizing the American election, worthwhile in itself but even more so against Hitlery, to be in his own interests as he is not a fan of democracy to begin with. He tolerates it, or at least the trappings of it.
Vlad made a typical Russian play to downgrade a democratic election in the leading Western country with an eye to upcoming elections in the EU, eastern Europe and Turkey. Russia is authoritarian and prefers to deal with other autocratic regimes.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-03-10 13:10:10 Reply Private Reply
#46: sneakypete To: A K A Stone (#41)
FWIW,I am personally opposed to "convenience" abortions after the 3rd month.
However,what I am opposed to and what makes me happy are irrelevant because we are talking about a law,and laws have to be defined in black and white so people understand what they can do legally,and what they can't do legally.
And regardless of how *I* think about abortion,I am not arrogant enough to demand that MY opinion outweigh the opinion of some young girl or woman who is pregnant as the result of a rape,or whose life would be at risk if she were to try to carry to term. EVERYBODY has the right to self-defense,even pregnant woman.
And don't try to pull that "the baby has a right to life,too!" nonsense because a fetus is NOT a baby. If it were a baby,the legal term for it would be "baby",NOT fetus. Don't like the law? Change it.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-10 17:09:02 Reply Private Reply
#47: sneakypete To: A Pole (#44)
I am NOT a legal expert,but I THINK "manslaughter" is a big gray zone in the law,where it is not clear the doer's life was at risk,but it's not really clear it wasn't,either.
This way a jury of his or her peers,proving his or her peers are retired geezers with nothing else to do,bored housewives,or unemployed men,get to make the call instead of a judge.
And of course,it is probably rare in cases where the defendant is charged with manslaughter for the defendant to get serious prison time,or for them to not be able to return a "justifiable homicide" verdict. After all,if it was murder,the charge should have been murder.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-10 17:13:38 Reply Private Reply
#48: sneakypete To: Tooconservative (#45)
Hell,I voted for Trump,and even I didn't think he was going to win.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-10 17:15:02 Reply Private Reply
#49: A K A Stone To: sneakypete (#48)
I voted for Trump and knew he was going to win. I knew it when he announced. I knew it would resonate with regular folks.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-03-10 17:28:29 Reply Private Reply
#50: A Pole To: Tooconservative (#45)
It is nice that America is not authoritarian and stays away from the Saudis. Isn't it?
A Pole posted on 2017-03-10 19:08:30 Reply Private Reply
#51: A Pole To: sneakypete (#48)
Thank Putin :)
A Pole posted on 2017-03-10 19:11:03 Reply Private Reply
#52: A Pole To: TooConservative, sneakypete, ConservingFreedom, Willie Green, Vicomte13 (#45)
A Pole posted on 2017-03-11 05:12:38 Reply Private Reply
#53: GrandIsland To: Willie Green (#0)
Trump sure brought the libtard trash out of the closet on this site. HAAAA
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 07:21:37 Reply Private Reply
#54: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#49)
Trump, making America AMERICAN again, one smelly illegal alien at a time. (That's my original quote, you may use that).
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 07:25:32 Reply Private Reply
#55: A Pole To: GrandIsland, Willie Green (#53)
This is supposed to be a free speech zone, not JimRob site. Please.
A Pole posted on 2017-03-11 08:45:37 Reply Private Reply
#56: A K A Stone To: GrandIsland, randge (#54)
Tpaine, pinguinite, sneakypete. You dont call randge a paultard but i think she supported him too.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-03-11 09:05:39 Reply Private Reply
#57: GrandIsland To: A Pole (#55)
You have no constitutional rights here, libtard. Lies & YELLA propaganda, meant to agitate, ARE NOT SPEECH.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 09:12:51 Reply Private Reply
#58: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#56)
pinguinite, I pay no attention to.
Either way, I personally don't care if any one of our sites geriatric hippies supported Trump. He would have still won without the three votes... and the three you speak of, lick the boots of Decktard and hondope... sleep with dogs, wake with fleas.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 09:25:01 Reply Private Reply
#59: A K A Stone To: A Pole (#55)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-03-11 09:33:15 Reply Private Reply
#60: A K A Stone To: GrandIsland (#58)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-03-11 09:34:27 Reply Private Reply
#61: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#60)
So you suggest you win by paying outrageous amounts of school and property taxes where the state USES YOUR TAX MONEY TO DEFEND THEIR OWN NAZI RULES, REGULATIONS AND LAWS against you? Is that how you win?
When a KOOKIFONIAN sues the state for immoral laws... where do you think the state gets the legal funds to pay for the states DEFENSE, you think that's free?
lol
"everyone in KOOKIFONIA" pays, in some form for their chains. Some like the chains, others don't... both are equally guilty of supporting the hand that binds them.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 10:07:08 Reply Private Reply
#62: A Pole To: GrandIsland (#57)
Jim, is it you?
A Pole posted on 2017-03-11 10:24:33 Reply Private Reply
#63: A K A Stone To: GrandIsland (#61)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-03-11 10:28:18 Reply Private Reply
#64: Hondo68 To: GrandIsland, deckard, sneakypete, tpaine, pinguinite (#58)
Report to the sobriety checkpoint, comrade.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-03-11 11:05:39 Reply Private Reply
#65: Gatlin To: A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#56)
They say they did and if they did .then it proves that a few Paultard libertarians can occasionally display some good sense.
But that does not hold true for the numbers of libertarians who are emerging as Trump resistance. As some Never Trumpers slowly fade off into the sunset .libertarians have taken up the cause.
You find the voices that have aligned with liberty movement are more often among the loudest ones now pushing back on Trump and his various proposals as libertarians continue to express misgivings.
Libertarians are a fickle group .unreliable and unpredictable.
Dont believe me .that libertarians are anti-Trump?
Then just take a look at what the libertarians Bible, reason.com, has to say about it:
See, I told you
Or, at least I tried to tell you!
Gatlin posted on 2017-03-11 11:09:28 Reply Private Reply
#66: sneakypete To: GrandIsland, Willie Green, AKA Stone (#53)
WOW! I had no idea you owned Liberty's Flame now.
AKA,did you sell it to him,or just turn over control?
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 11:19:22 Reply Private Reply
#67: sneakypete To: GrandIsland, AKA Stone, APole, Fire Island (#57)
And here I was thinking this site was hosted in America,and owned by an American that believed in freedom of speech and thought.
Guess I was wrong,and it's now owned by a leatherboy homosexual so deep in the closet he over-compensates for being a sissy-boy.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 11:23:12 Reply Private Reply
#68: sneakypete To: GrandIsland (#58)
So says the retard that lives in NY.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 11:24:03 Reply Private Reply
#69: sneakypete To: A K A Stone (#60)
AMEN!
In FACT,there are a LOT of conservatives that live in Ca. The problem is they live in the rural areas and work,instead of living in the big cities and living off of government jobs and welfare. That's why you never hear of them.
Same thing when I was living in Colorado. Get outside of Denver,Aspen,Golden,Boulder,and Colorado Springs,and you run into nothing BUT conservatives.
And it was getting worse every year in Colorado because a lot of the leftist loons that voted for all the free stuff in Ca had to move away once the taxes were raised to pay for all the stuff they voted for. So they moved to Colorado,mostly Denver,Aspen,Vail,or Boulder,and immediately started lobbying for the same laws they lobbied for that made Ca unlivable for them.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 11:29:00 Reply Private Reply
#70: sneakypete To: GrandIsland (#58)
BTW,goober,people like Thomas Jefferson,George Washington,and Ben Franklin were the original American "Libertarians",and it was due to them we got a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that guaranteed our individual freedoms.
Easy to see why you object to that,though. You aren't very bright,so you became a cop.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 11:31:23 Reply Private Reply
#71: sneakypete To: Gatlin (#65)
Being being free scares you,doesn't it?
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 11:33:24 Reply Private Reply
#72: Gatlin To: A K A Stone, GrandIsland (#63)
Ah, the old catch-22 situation: Everyone cannot afford to move out of California while a lot of people are moving out of California because they can't afford to live there anymore.
For every home buyer coming into the state, there are three Californians selling and moving elsewhere. [Data analysis firm CoreLogic].
Anyone stuck in California can bite the bullet now, or they can bite the bullet later .in either case, it will be tough.
Gatlin posted on 2017-03-11 11:50:24 Reply Private Reply
#73: Gatlin To: sneakypete (#71)
Why, because I was just naturally Born Free.
Natural birth in a farmhouse with a neighbor lady from the next farm over attending.
How much more being free with a start in life like that could I possibly be?
Ill answer my own question .NONE.
Ya know, I was born so free that even an ever popular song with music by John Barry and lyrics by Don Black was written about me.
Want to hear it?
Sure you do!
Just listen:
Like it?
I felt that you would
Have you ever had a song expressely written about you?
No?
Awh ...
Uh....what was your question, again?
Gatlin posted on 2017-03-11 12:11:57 Reply Private Reply
#74: sneakypete To: Gatlin (#73)
Don't let it worry you. You obviously wouldn't understand it the second time,either.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 12:41:21 Reply Private Reply
#75: Gatlin To: sneakypete (#74)
All of the Land Rovers and Range Rovers I have owned [dating back to the first Series III in 1974] for exploring the outback in Arizona and Utah were named: Born Free.
I wanted to throw that touching bit of nostalgia in for you.
Stay in touch....ya hear.
Gatlin posted on 2017-03-11 12:42:41 Reply Private Reply
#76: sneakypete To: Gatlin (#75)
Ok.
sneakypete posted on 2017-03-11 12:49:45 Reply Private Reply
#77: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, A K A Stone, Deckard, Randge, A Pole, sneakypete (#73)
Hondo68 posted on 2017-03-11 13:33:42 Reply Private Reply
#78: GrandIsland To: hondo68 (#64)
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 22:11:23 Reply Private Reply
#79: GrandIsland To: sneakypete (#67)
Constantly talk about how equal fags are... and see how your fantasy works out for ya, fag lover
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 22:13:45 Reply Private Reply
#80: GrandIsland To: sneakypete (#68)
I moved from New York about a year before Goldie shit the bed and was found rotting and alone, decaying on her Jewish floor for 2 weeks.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 22:16:09 Reply Private Reply
#81: GrandIsland To: sneakypete (#71)
Is stuttering a symptom of AIDS?
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 22:18:36 Reply Private Reply
#82: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#63)
I have a bridge to sell you.
Btw... making excuses for dysfunctional behavior is a LIBERAL TRAIT.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-11 22:20:54 Reply Private Reply
#83: Hondo68 To: GrandIsland, loves government, hates most Americans (#78)
Hondo68 posted on 2017-03-11 22:44:51 Reply Private Reply
#84: A K A Stone To: GrandIsland (#82)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-03-11 22:52:57 Reply Private Reply
#85: Deckard To: GrandIsland, hondo68 (#78)
Ronald Reagan:
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
Deckard posted on 2017-03-12 00:46:42 Reply Private Reply
#86: Deckard To: GrandIsland (#82)
That must make you and Gatlin LIBERALS then, since you continue to make excuses for dysfunctional cops.
Deckard posted on 2017-03-12 00:48:17 Reply Private Reply
#87: Pinguinite To: Gatlin (#73)
Anyone who believes they are free because of the circumstances of their birth or because someone wrote a song about them is definitely a primary candidate for lemminghood. The psychological trick of coaxing people into submission by convincing them they are free is well established. That we were all taught growing up how lucky we were to be born in the USA being one prime example.
You, Gatlin, don't understand what freedom is. If you did, you wouldn't have your fetish about libertarianism, which has the principle of freedom defining it's foundation. I'm not saying you should be one, and I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to argue, say, about marijuana use hurting society. You simply don't understand libertarianism and have no desire to. Hell, you only barely respect the First Amendment. You seriously have some fetish about the word that you do not have for communism or even criminal behavior.
Pinguinite posted on 2017-03-12 00:57:11 Reply Private Reply
#88: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#84)
Absolutely, you are 100% correct. People can live where they want .they dont have to answer to GrandIsland, but the are answering to themselves.
And people are answering to themselves by deciding they no longer want to live in that crap hole place called, California. The are moving out in droves: 5 Million People Left California Over the Past Decade.
The mass exodus from California is in progress:
Gatlin posted on 2017-03-12 01:09:49 Reply Private Reply
#89: Gatlin To: Pinguinite (#87)
Since you obviously have extreme difficulty with satire -
One more: This final one:Lets see how well you can handle some really great humor.
Gatlin posted on 2017-03-12 03:14:49 Reply Private Reply
#90: GrandIsland To: Deckard (#85)
The sites bootlicker. Wipe the paultard polish off your face.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-12 06:45:11 Reply Private Reply
#91: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#84)
When did I ever assert otherwise? The only one that answers to me is me. However, this is America. Land of the FREE. And in America if you....
Overdose on drugs, you're FREE to die. Destroy Narcan
Refuse to work... then you are FREE to starve. Destroy welfare
Willingly stay in a Nazi state... don't call others bootlicker on Paultard Flame. Com. You aren't FREE to be a hypocrite... unless the president of PaultardFlame.com defends said hypocritical FREEDOM.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-03-12 06:59:10 Reply Private Reply