Enough is enough.
Even in the early days of the Presidential campaign it was a ludicrous idea: that Donald Trump was now a Christian; that hed miraculously found Jesus right at the time he needed to pull in millions of Evangelical voters. Never mind that his life showed an open contempt for most of the things the Jesus of the Gospels lived and preached: humility, generosity, respect, empathy, kindness, peace.
The high profile-evangelists in his corner assured their rightly alarmed flocks, that behind the scenes Donnie was changed man, a baby Christian whod now seen the light and was making his way down the narrow road of faith to lead us all to the Promised Land (where curiously America was first and everyone was white.)
Sure, he was on his third marriage and was heard on video boasting of his infidelity to his current wife. Yes, he said he could grab a woman by the genitalia. Yes, he advocated that protesters at his rallies be roughed up. Sure, he made fun of a disabled man. Certainly, he talked about walling off Mexicans and banning Muslims and taking away healthcarebut Donnie loved Jesus now, so all should be well with our souls.
The opportunistic religious leaders began publicly framing the vile, profane, relentlessly offensive Trump as a flawed, imperfect tool of God and American church folk raised on a faith of fear and conditioned to believe they are perpetually in dangerbegan buying it. Little by little, it became okay, even sensible to call Donald Trump a Christian. (Talk about a miracle.)
And for someone who has served as a pastor for twenty years, the transformation was astounding and disheartening to witness. Millions of fundamentalists whod previously spent their days parsing out Bible verses to condemn the LGBTQ community, Muslims, entertainers, Atheists, Democrats, suddenly became a people of Grace. They got really liberal with the Scriptures. They lectured those of us who questioned it all not to judge lest we be judged, and heaped shame upon us for bringing up example after example of the mans hypocrisy, because God looks at the heart and how dare we assess anothers professed faith. (Somehow these things were never in play over the eight years they spent daily crucifying Barack Obama, but perhaps the issue there was one not of religion, but of pigmentation.)
But a few weeks into Donald Trumps tenure, Christians need to speak the truth that sets them free: Donald Trump is not a Christian.
Yes, he may have shown up in a church during the campaign (looking as comfortable as a cow in a slaughterhouse), and he may have given some lip service prayer to one of his preacher pals while golfing, and he may have bamboozled scores of Christians already dying to believe it so they could make peace with their votebut he is not a man following Jesus.
In his Sermon on the Mount, Jesus speaks these words:
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Mt 5:15-20
Jesus says that we can judge people. We should evaluate the things we can see. We can measure devotion to God by what is manifested outwardly. We look at the fruit.
What is the fruit of Donald Trumps life, of his marriages, his business dealings, his campaign, of his young Presidency?
What is the fruit of eliminating healthcare for tens of millions of poor people? What is the fruit of banning refugees and leaving them stranded at airports? What is the fruit of walling of Mexico and demanding they pay for the gesture? What is the fruit of driving an oil pipeline through sacred Native American land? What is the fruit of filling your Cabinet with billionaires? What is the fruit of demonizing and banning Muslims? What is the fruit of appointing a white supremacist to the highest level of government?
Its rotten fruit, thats what it is.
Its exactly the kind of greedy, bloated, bitter, violent, self-centered, myopic existence that Jesus spent his life calling us to reject. So no, I dont know the Presidents heart or his inner confession of faith, but I have eyes and they see no love or benevolence or compassionand that does matter to Jesus.
Christians need to stop insisting that Donald Trump is a Christian if they really care at all about people coming to know Christ. If that is the greatest burden on their hearts, using this man is tantamount to spiritual treason. It is a perversion of the Gospels that provides such a dissonance to the bystander, as to make Christ all but invisible. Until he says or does anything that remotely resembling him, we need to stop using him and Jesus in the same breath because it distorts Jesus by association.
Christian, you can continue to support this man, but dont say youre doing it because he is a man of God, a follower of Jesus, someone striving for Christlikeness. The rotted, stinking, insect-drawing fruitsays otherwise.
Jesus matters to me. The words he said matter to me. The life he calls us to live matters. Incarnating this Jesus in peoples lives matters to me. This is why that word Christian still matters. I am also a person of Grace, but I also live in a reality where the stuff we do is connected to what we believe.
I dont know Donald Trump. He may actually believe he is a Christian. He may be so surrounded by sycophants and religious yes-men that no one is giving him the hard words about the kind of gentle, loving, sacrificial life Jesus called his people to live. If thats the case I hope that he, like Saul will have a moment where his eyes are opened and he sees the goodness he might do with the power and influence at his disposaland he is changed. But right now, using him as a symbol of the Christian faith is catastrophic for people looking on.
Christian, you might be tempted to argue with me or attack my position, and you would be welcome to, but Id first suggest you go and read the Sermon on the Mount, spend some time in reflection and prayerand then look with fresh eyes and tell me where you see Jesus in this mans life and why youre okay claiming it as your own.
#1: misterwhite To: Willie Green (#0)
misterwhite posted on 2017-02-04 12:00:58 Reply Private Reply
#2: A K A Stone To: Willie Green (#0)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-02-04 12:03:12 Reply Private Reply
#3: goldilucky To: Willie Green (#0)
So if somebody is now a Christian that means they "found Jesus"? This is not true.
Jesus was not Christian. He was born a Hebrew Israelite of the Tribe of Juda. The original Hebrew Israelites were dark-skinned. He was not born a leper but was described in scripture as bronze-skinned. See references here: Dan 10:5-6; Ezekial 40:3; Rev 1:15-17
The name "Jesus" is not his name because the letter "J" was never used in the Hebrew bible. His holy and blessed name is Yahshua meaning "salvation". The name "Jesus" is English and according to the Latin translation means "Earth Pig" or something unclean. http://www.sabbathcovenant.com/d.../sus_is_latin_for_pig.htm
This nation was never created under Christian or Jewish law. It is a secular nation created by our Forefathers who were inspired by the Christian ways but sought to keep the people free from personal persecution of their personal faiths. Our First Amendment makes that very clear when its states in part, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
goldilucky posted on 2017-02-04 13:36:53 Reply Private Reply
#4: Tooconservative To: Willie Green (#0)
When asked repeatedly, he denied that he prayed and specifically denied having ever asked God for forgiveness of any sins.
By any historical standard, he is not a Christian. I suspect he doesn't have the fundamental understanding of Christian doctrine and practice that is well-known even to young children raised in the various churches.
I'm surprised the article neglected to mention this most crucial bit of info about Teh Donald.
However, he may be the most Christian-friendly president in recent decades, not merely to pander to the Christian voters but as a matter of basic fairness and of a solidarity with traditional Christian values that he is capable of recognizing over the course of his own lifetime.
Tooconservative posted on 2017-02-04 13:41:33 Reply Private Reply
#5: BorisY To: A K A Stone, willie gangrene, poopoocherooero, hondolt, fredfreeko, et al (#2)
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BorisY posted on 2017-02-04 14:26:20 Reply Private Reply
#6: calcon To: Willie Green (#0)
just call him "MISTER PRESIDENT", he likes that
calcon posted on 2017-02-04 15:35:49 Reply Private Reply
#7: randge To: goldilucky (#3)
Few things damage a poster's credibility than trotting out some tendentious etymology to make a damned point.
The 'j' in Jesus was pronounced as a 'y' as it is in German and that's how it was pronounced in the mother language that gave rise to both Anglo-Saxon and Old High German. The name was written often interchageably Iesus and Jesus. In fact the written J evolved from the i or iota.
Up until the time of Chaucer (1300s) Jesus was pronounced ee-ay-sus, the same s in German or Dutch. This pronunciation was derived from the Corinthian Greek of the New Testament: ·Ã¿Í or ee-ay-sous. In Spanish of course the J is a H and it's hay-sus. The name has gone through countless phonological permutations in many languages.
In none of these cases does the name Jesus have anything to do with a stinkin' pig.
randge posted on 2017-02-04 17:34:22 Reply Private Reply
#8: goldilucky To: randge (#7)
That's a matter of opinion and not fact.
In none of these cases does the name Jesus have anything to do with a stinkin' pig.
Really? Then why was our Savior's named changed from Yeshua to Jesus? Names have meanings you know. For reference here is something to chew on: www.eliyah.com/nameson.htm
and here www.eliyah.com/yahushua.html
goldilucky posted on 2017-02-04 18:14:17 Reply Private Reply
#9: randge To: goldilucky (#8)
The name wasn't changed. That is, no one decided to change it.
Words change in form and sound because of differences in pronunciation and different sound inventories in various languages.
For instance we say 'semitic' and not 'shemitic' because we adopted the Latinate adjective for the same, and there is no 'sh' in Latin. In Latin Shem is Sem.
I once listened to a left wing educator blabber on about how racist it was to refer to Jews and Arabs as Semites, because 'semi' meant half-breeds. That's a two-fer argument. It's tendentious and ignorant at the same time.
randge posted on 2017-02-04 18:36:17 Reply Private Reply
#10: randge To: goldilucky (#8)
randge posted on 2017-02-04 18:41:18 Reply Private Reply
#11: Hondo68 To: BorisY, New York Wiccan values (#5)
Hondo68 posted on 2017-02-04 18:53:44 Reply Private Reply
#12: paraclete To: Willie Green (#0)
Let me start by saying that in my view most of those who claim to be Christian arn't christian, but not being God, I really don't have the right to make that judgement because i can't see inside their heart or soul.
If Trump has "become" a Christian then he has a long walk to sancification, but everything before that moment has passed. Man has a nature and it is difficult to overcome and we, even those who have been Christians for many years, can revert in a moment of stress. So here you have a man who may have listened to those around him and made a commitment to Christ without understanding what it really means. And now he has an important position where he must make life and death decisions. I hope he will listen to that small voice if he is still enough to hear. but please remember that scripture also tells us that God appoints rulers
paraclete posted on 2017-02-04 18:59:24 Reply Private Reply
#13: BorisY To: hondo68 (#11)
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#14: goldilucky To: randge (#9)
We adopted the Latin adjective? Who is we? Latin is the language spoken and written by the scribes of Rome. I know this because my mother was raised Roman Catholic and was versed in written and in speech in Latin. To write in English was a vulgar language meant for the great unwashed and uninitiated of the mysteries of Latin to those raised in this fashion. I, on the other hand, chose to follow a road less traveled when it comes to finding out the real Savior. And I have found Him. And He is nothing as described in what I see in today's churches. All those churches out there are misleading so many people with those graven images of Him as white when it is common knowledge that the Vatican church has been seen praying to a Black Madonna and black child.
Hebrew is the language the Israelites spoke and wrote and I must add to this that the original Israelites were the black Ethiopians. All one needs to do is start researching on some of this and what they may find may surprise them.
goldilucky posted on 2017-02-04 23:17:59 Reply Private Reply
#15: goldilucky To: randge (#9)
Behind every name has a meaning. And Yeshua was the real name of Jesus a Hebrew Israelite.
www.behindthename.com/name/yeshua
goldilucky posted on 2017-02-05 00:37:39 Reply Private Reply
#16: nolu chan To: goldilucky, Willie Green, randge (#3)
Is means the state of being, el is a god or deity, and rei is pronounced like ray which is a broad, flat marine or freshwater fish. Therefore Israel is a broad, flat fish god.
The Oxford American Dictionary, Second Edition
Jesus (the name) existed before Modern English was used. Old English looks more like German than modern English. It came to Old English from Old French.
nolu chan posted on 2017-02-05 01:20:38 Reply Private Reply
#17: redleghunter To: goldilucky (#3)
However, translated to other languages? Jesus is derived from the Latin transliteration of the Greek which is Iesous.
Strongs
Hebrew for Christians
redleghunter posted on 2017-02-05 03:55:47 Reply Private Reply
#18: rlk To: Willie Green (#0)
I'm not interested in what branch of mythology he subscribes to. I'm only interested in his serious intention to fulfill the promises he made during his campaign. And if he trys to make friends with his former enemies, he's nuts. They are very self-serving and unforgiving.
rlk posted on 2017-02-05 04:20:01 Reply Private Reply
#19: randge To: goldilucky (#14)
English speakers, silly goose.
randge posted on 2017-02-05 08:21:53 Reply Private Reply
#20: randge To: nolu chan (#16)
In English we pronounce the -ra- as -rei-, but no one else does, including Hebrew speakers. We pronounce a lot of things in strange ways because of a vowel shift in our language that happened quite a long time ago. Everyone else pronounces Israel Is-rah-el.
Pronunciation of Israel
And you cannot divorce the -r- from the is-. The sibilant and the liquid are part of the root. s-r or s-r-r or sh-r is a consonantal semitic root denoting power, authority, rule. So Isra-el: 'struggle with or alongside' God or 'God struggles' depending on your interpretation.
So there's nothing "fishy" about the name of Israel
randge posted on 2017-02-05 10:32:48 Reply Private Reply
#21: goldilucky To: redleghunter (#17)
www.sabbathcovenant.com/c...ception/IesousinGreek.htm
goldilucky posted on 2017-02-05 18:02:43 Reply Private Reply
#22: redleghunter To: goldilucky (#21)
Here's centuries of scholarship on the Name Jesus:
2424 Isoús Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").
"Jesus Christ" is properly "Jesus the Christ." "Jesus" (2424 /Isoús) is His human name, as the incarnate, eternal Son of God (Mt 1:21,25, see also Lk 1:31) the Christ, the divine Messiah (the second Person of the holy Trinity).
[Christ (His title) means "the Anointed One" (the eternal pre-incarnate, Logos, Jn 1:1-18).]
Stongs Jesus
redleghunter posted on 2017-02-06 11:16:26 Reply Private Reply
#23: randge To: goldilucky (#21)
You are reading poppycock from www.sabbathc ovenant.com/c...ception/ IesousinGreek.htm.
There is no verb -ei- in Corinthian (biblical) Greek for "hail." To hail or acclaim is "chairitzeto."
It is better known that all masculine names in Greek end in -s or -n. In English we say "Plato" but in Greek "Platon." "Alexander" > "Alexandros," and so forth. Check it out:
www.behindthename.com/names/usage/ancient-
When the Greeks imported names, for example Semitic ones, they added the masculine nominative endings. So Jacob or Ya'aqov in Hebrew is Iakobos. John or Yochanan is Ioannes.
steubenvilleconferences.com/12-apostles"
Do yourself a favor and quit reading crap. There are hundreds of years of careful scholarship (by scholars that actually read and write and speak these languages) based on the DOCUMENTS that are left us. That includes the Gospels.
randge posted on 2017-02-06 14:02:52 Reply Private Reply
#24: Mudboy Slim To: randge (#23)
does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: "I'm afraid we don't know, but make my stipend tax-free, give my advisor a $30,000 grant of the taxpayer's money,
and I'm sure he can tell me how to do the gruntwork for him so he can take the credit for answering this incredibly vital question."
(Compliments of the Linux Fortune program.)
Damn GRADUATE student TRASH...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2017-02-06 14:28:19 Reply Private Reply
#25: randge To: Mudboy Slim (#24)
It's about swallowing wholesale stuff you see on websites written by people with an ax to grind who claim to have knowledge of languages and history and religion but plainly show no evidence of it.
It does great damage to the common understanding.
randge posted on 2017-02-06 15:37:08 Reply Private Reply
#26: goldilucky To: randge (#25)
The only damage done to oneself is to remain ignorant of the truth. And to some of us who choose to remain ignorant rather than search for the truth, ignorance is bliss. But to others who seek higher learning truth know that knowledge is power. Lack of it is what not only destroys a people but damages futures generations.
goldilucky posted on 2017-02-06 17:47:56 Reply Private Reply
#27: randge To: goldilucky (#26)
I can see that.
randge posted on 2017-02-06 19:46:02 Reply Private Reply
#28: Mudboy Slim To: randge (#25)
Absolutely agree, my friend...Mis-information and rampant GroupThink flourish within the "Intellectual Community" and a significant portion of this is due to "Willful Ignorance" and primarily the responsibility of the News Consumer, imho.
(Compliments of the Linux Fortune program.)
Damn straight...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2017-02-07 09:16:25 Reply Private Reply
#29: randge To: Mudboy Slim (#28)
Sometimes I think it might be fun and profitable to find some golden tablets with all the mysteries of the universe inscribed on them. With some zeal and attention I could perhaps scrape together an interested crowd and get them to fork over five bucks each to listen to me lecture about it. But that would be wrong.
randge posted on 2017-02-07 14:28:01 Reply Private Reply
#30: Mudboy Slim To: randge (#29)
Mudboy Slim posted on 2017-02-07 17:16:23 Reply Private Reply
#31: randge To: Mudboy Slim (#30)
randge posted on 2017-02-07 17:36:11 Reply Private Reply
#32: Mudboy Slim To: randge (#31)
(Compliments of the Linux Fortune program.)
Kudos...MUD
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Mudboy Slim posted on 2017-02-08 11:07:18 Reply Private Reply
#33: Mudboy Slim To: All (#32)
Capiche YET?!!
MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2017-02-08 11:07:46 Reply Private Reply
#34: randge To: Mudboy Slim (#32)
Great.. I am always around Thursday afternoons.
Beer's in the fridge.
(Warning: I am armed.)
randge posted on 2017-02-08 19:11:27 Reply Private Reply