t is often said that political parties are ruining the dignity of American discourse. Instead of discussing policy points, many identify with one of two partisan identities and allow their loyalties to fall in line. Here, policy support shapes around their team and they turn against whatever the other side opposes. It’s shallow. And it is growing worse.
The problem with the political arena is that as the investment grows more significantly, so does the need for self-preservation. Political careers mean that principles can take a backseat to the race discussion because nobody is going to make either a name for himself or money by losing with dignity.
This is a phenomenon also not restricted to the Democrats and Republicans. The Libertarian party has the same problem.
The Libertarian Party has developed a tendency to attack non-enrolled libertarians, including prominent figures like Senator Rand Paul and his father, former Texas Congressman Ron Paul.
Two-time Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson has attacked Senator Paul in the past as not being libertarian. While there is a legitimate debate whether Senator Paul is more conservative than libertarian, the former New Mexico Governor is hardly in a position to talk.
Now it’s Libertarian Party chairman Nicholas Sarwark who is stepping up criticism of Paul, echoing a common claim of party members. Ron Paul, according to Chairman Sarwark, is not a libertarian. He claims that the liberty leader has often been wrong and even anti-libertarian, then pointing to his support of states’ rights.
To libertarians, the states’ rights debate is more like a game of semantics. Technically, a state does not have rights — only individuals do. The state is still government and thus, the power for its existence is derived from the people themselves. Given this, only the people themselves have rights. This is a position that Paul supports.
In 2002, he wrote that “states’ rights simply means the individual states should retain authority over all matters not expressly delegated to the federal government in Article I of the Constitution.” Essentially, the term “states’ rights” simply alludes to the Tenth Amendment, which itself states that the people retain all power not specifically delegated to the federal government or prohibited to the states.
In his book “Liberty Defined,” Paul states: “Technically, states don’t have ‘rights’ — only individuals do. But states are legal entities that are very important in the governmental structure of the United States, of course. They serve as a kind of bulwark against an overweening federal government. The Constitution was written with an intent to protect the independence of each state by establishing for the states a very limited relationship to the federal government.”
Paul clearly states that states don’t have rights and again notes the term itself alludes to the Tenth Amendment. Under our system of government, the state is supposed to retain its independence from federal overreach while still acting on behalf of the people.
If this is not libertarian, what is?
The Libertarian Party has a confused history on what libertarianism is. They have previously had individuals run for president like Bob Barr, a former Congressman who voted for the USA PATRIOT Act and the invasion of Iraq. Given this fact, it’s not entirely surprising that the party had a Hillary Clinton apologist run for vice president, described as “the original libertarian.”
Ron Paul may not be perfect, but he did not support the USA PATRIOT Act. The Libertarian party has supported people who did, including their latest vice presidential candidate. Paul did not support the Iraq invasion, while the Libertarian party has advocated for people who did. Former governor Bill Weld himself has supported affirmative action and stronger environmental regulations at the federal level.
Before criticizing others for not being libertarian, the Libertarian Party should probably learn what it means to be a libertarian first.
#2: Gatlin To: All (#0)
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-08 23:24:33 Reply Private Reply
#3: Hondo68 To: Gatlin, *Constitution Party* (#0)
The last presidential ticket that Ron Paul endorsed was Chuck Baldwin/Darrell Castle '08, the Constitution Party.
Hondo68 posted on 2017-01-08 23:26:58 Reply Private Reply
#4: A K A Stone To: Gatlin, buckeroo, Gtand Island, Roscoe, hondo 68 (#0)
Roe v. Wade decision was harmful to the Constitution. (Apr 2008)
No tax funding for organizations that promote abortion. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on banning federal health coverage that includes abortion. (May 2011)
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be auctioned off. (Jan 2012)
We spend $1.5T on wars; start by cutting there. (Sep 2011)
Country is bankrupt & we can't keep spending. (Aug 2011)
Stimulus package means more printing & devaluing the dollar. (Feb 2008)
Federal Reserve creates money and prints it out of thin air. (Jan 2008)
Paper money in unconstitutional; only gold is legal tender. (Sep 2010)
Wasteful government spending backed by both parties. (Apr 2008)
Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Jan 2009)
Voted NO on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Let churches marry couples, without government document. (Jun 2011)
National ID card is part of fear-based government. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Auto company nationalization is fascism. (Sep 2010)
Replace "hate crime" with equal penalties for equal assaults. (Apr 2011)
Not appropriate to prosecute all illegal adult pornography. (Sep 2007)
Blacks disproportionately imprisoned for victimless crimes. (Jan 2012)
Drug War allows drug lords to make a lot more money. (Apr 2011)
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Ban federal funding for needle-exchange programs. (Mar 1999)
Student loan program is a total failure and unconstitutional. (Nov 2011)
Voted NO on $40B for green public schools. (May 2009)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Develop energy independence; no crony handouts like Solyndra. (Jan 2012)
Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006) Eliminate the ineffective EPA. (Feb 2012)
Give tax breaks for start-up farms for 10-year commitment. (Jan 2008)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 00:06:10 Reply Private Reply
#5: buckeroo To: A K A Stone (#4)
Support All and disagree with None.
buckeroo posted on 2017-01-09 00:19:25 Reply Private Reply
#6: Roscoe To: A K A Stone (#4)
Just churches? Not Kmart?
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 01:57:56 Reply Private Reply
#7: Gatlin To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, Gtand Island, Roscoe, hondo 68 (#4)
That was an abysmal success rate of 0.2 percent.
Ron Paul, who served 11 terms in three different stages going back to 1976, was not able to get a single law passed until 2009. And did the single law that was passed accomplish one of those on your infamous list of positions?
The answer is a resounding: No!
Oh, what was the one single law that Ron Paul finally got passed in 2009, the one law that did wonderfully great things for our magnificent nation….it was a law that allowed for the sale of a customs house in Galveston, Texas.
”Jesus H. Christ”….the sale of a customs house in Galveston, Texas!
So, there you have it, my esteem friend....Ron Paul’s positions be damned, because his approach to lawmaking is particularly suited to not getting things done.
Positions mean nothing, if nothing is accomplished by only taking those positions.
“I yield the remainder of my time to questions.”
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 03:22:16 Reply Private Reply
#8: Roscoe To: Gatlin (#7)
Yep. All talk, no action. It's the Libertarian way.
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 03:58:17 Reply Private Reply
#9: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#4)
GrandIsland posted on 2017-01-09 08:07:11 Reply Private Reply
#10: Gatlin To: Roscoe (#8)
Nah, c'mon man, it’s not a trick question.
Think about it ...
Okay….you give up?
Just let him talk …
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 08:36:36 Reply Private Reply
#11: Gatlin To: GrandIsland (#9)
Their primary concern is kissing the asses of Black Lives Matter activists.
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 09:34:41 Reply Private Reply
#12: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#4)
It's an interesting question, so I decided to go ahead and answer. I rearranged the issues by the date Paul promulgated the thought, because I think that as the situation in the world evolves, policy positions must evolve to address that. It's the events of the world, after all, that drive policy decisions. Example: Nobody in his right mind would agree to the levels of military expenditure we made in World War II in the decade before the war, and nobody in his right mind would refuse to make those expenditures during the war in order to win it.
Ban federal funding for needle-exchange programs. (Mar 1999) DISAGREE. WE NEED TO MOVE FROM CRIMINAL PROSECUTION OF USERS TO TREATING THEIR ADDICTIONS AS A MEDICAL ISSUE. AND WE DON'T WANT THE EXPENSE OF HAVING THEM TURN INTO AIDS PATIENTS.
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001) DISAGREE. THE MORE BOOTS WE GET ON THE BORDER, THE MORE WE CONTROL ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND THOSE OTHER THINGS.
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001) DISAGREE. PRAYER SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN SCHOOL. THE SUPREME COURT DECISION SHOULD BE OVERTURNED.
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004) DISAGREE. SAME-SEX "MARRIAGE" IS NOT MARRIAGE.
Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006) AGREE. WE NEED TO EXPAND ENERGY PRODUCTION.
Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006) DISAGREE - IF THE STATE IS GOING TO BE BE INVOLVED IN MARRIAGE AT ALL, GIVEN THE FULL FAITH AND CREDIT CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION, MARRIAGE NEEDS TO BE DEFINED FOR FEDERAL PURPOSES. GIVEN THAT MARRIAGE IS ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, IT SHOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL TO SO DEFINE IT IN THE CONSTITUTION.
No tax funding for organizations that promote abortion. (Sep 2007) AGREE - ABORTION IS PREMEDITATED MURDER.
Not appropriate to prosecute all illegal adult pornography. (Sep 2007) AGREE - IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADULT PORNOGRAPHY, IT SHOULD ALL BE LEGAL AS LONG AS IT'S CONSENSUAL, GIVEN FREE SPEECH. CHILD PORNOGRAPHY IS A VERY DIFFERENT THING.
Federal Reserve creates money and prints it out of thin air. (Jan 2008) AGREE - THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. DON'T AGREE THAT, THEREFORE, IT'S NOT MONEY.
Give tax breaks for start-up farms for 10-year commitment. (Jan 2008) DISAGREE - I OPPOSE SPECIAL TAX BREAKS FOR ANYBODY. WE SHOULD HAVE ONE TAX - A GROSS WEALTH TAX -THAT TAXES EVERYBODY's UNITARY WEALTH AT ONE UNITARY RATE. NO EXCEPTIONS AND NO DEDUCTIONS - AND NO OTHER TAXES. THE COUNTRY IS NOT READY FOR THAT, SO GIVEN OUR PRESENT TAX CODE, I GENERALLY OPPOSE SPECIAL TREATMENT FOR ANYBODY.
Stimulus package means more printing & devaluing the dollar. (Feb 2008) THAT'S TRUE, BUT IN THE MIDST OF A COLLAPSE IT IS NECESSARY TO AVOID A DEPRESSION.
National ID card is part of fear-based government. (Feb 2008) DISAGREE. YOU NEED A PASSPORT OR PASSPORT CARD TO TRAVEL ABROAD. YOU NEED A DRIVER'S LICENSE TO DRIVE. WE HAVE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN PROBLEM AND A VOTER FRAUD PROBLEM. A NATIONAL ID CARD MAKES IT EASY FOR EMPLOYERS AND POLL OFFICIALS TO CHECK THE IDENTITY OF THE PERSON.
Roe v. Wade decision was harmful to the Constitution. (Apr 2008) AGREE - ROE V WADE TOOK THE CONSTITUTION OFF ITS HINGES BY MAKING THE SUPREME COURT THE SUPREME LEGISLATURE. ALSO, AND MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S EVIL.
Wasteful government spending backed by both parties. (Apr 2008) AGREE. THIS IS OBVIOUS.
Voted NO on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008) DISAGREE - IN AN INCIPIENT DEPRESSION, ONLY THE GOVERNMENT CAN PRIME THE PUMP. WE LEARNED THIS IN 1929-1933.
Voted NO on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Jan 2009) DISAGREE - WHEN EVERYTHING FALLS APART, AS IT DID, THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO STEP IN TO PREVENT A DEPRESSION.
Voted NO on $40B for green public schools. (May 2009) AGREE - "GREEN" MEANS "BOONDOGGLE". SPEND THE MONEY ON BETTER TEACHING.
Auto company nationalization is fascism. (Sep 2010) OH BULLSHIT. YOU CAN'T LET THE AUTO INDUSTRY DIE AND PUT THE WHOLE CITY OF DETROIT ON WELFARE. A THIRD OF IT ALREADY IS. SHALL WE JUST PERMANENTLY SUPPORT THE WHOLE THING. YOU HAVE TO SAVE MAJOR INDUSTRIES.
Paper money in unconstitutional; only gold is legal tender. (Sep 2010) DISAGREE. THIS IS NONSENSE WITH NO BASIS IN REALITY.
Drug War allows drug lords to make a lot more money. (Apr 2011) AGREE. DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS THOUGH.
Replace "hate crime" with equal penalties for equal assaults. (Apr 2011) AGREE.
Voted YES on banning federal health coverage that includes abortion. (May 2011) AGREE.
Let churches marry couples, without government document. (Jun 2011) AGREE.
We spend $1.5T on wars; start by cutting there. (Sep 2011) AGREE.
Country is bankrupt & we can't keep spending. (Aug 2011) DISAGREE. THE COUNTRY IS NOT BANKRUPT. THAT IS FALSE. IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING BANKRUPT. WE MUST KEEP SPENDING. WE HAVE TO BE JUDICIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE SPEND ON.
Student loan program is a total failure and unconstitutional. (Nov 2011) DISAGREE - IT HAS SUCCESSFULLY EDUCATED TENS OF MILLIONS, AND IT IS COMPLETELY CONSTITUTIONAL.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should be auctioned off. (Jan 2012) DISAGREE - THE TREASURY SHOULD HAVE A HOME-LENDING BANK THAT LENDS DIRECTLY TO AMERICANS, ON A NOT-FOR-PROFIT BASIS, WITH NO MIDDLEMEN, AT 0 INTEREST, FOR EACH AMERICAN'S PRIMARY HOUSING. THE LOANS SHOULD BE REPAYABLE OVER A LIFETIME, WITH REPAYMENTS BASED ON INCOME, AND COLLECTIONS ENFORCED BY THE IRS.
Blacks disproportionately imprisoned for victimless crimes. (Jan 2012) PARTIALLY AGREE - BLACKS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPRISONED, BUT THERE ARE NO "VICTIMLESS CRIMES".
Develop energy independence; no crony handouts like Solyndra. (Jan 2012) AGREE.
Eliminate the ineffective EPA. (Feb 2012) DISAGREE. REFORM IT TO MAKE IT EFFECTIVE. BEFORE THE CLEAN WATER ACT AND THE CLEAN AIR ACT AND THEIR ENFORCEMENT, YOU COULD NOT SWIM IN LAKE ERIE OR THE DETROIT RIVER, AND THE AIR IN MANY PARTS OF THE COUNTRY STANK. THERE WERE BARRELS OF TOXIC WASTE IN THE SWAMPS AND ON ABANDONED LOTS EVERYWHERE. LOVE CANAL WAS KILLING THE PEOPLE AROUND IT.
SINCE THEN, THINGS HAVE IMPROVED GREATLY. YOU CAN EAT THE FISH OUT OF LAKE ERIE NOW. THE LAWS WERE EFFECTIVE, AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE EPA AND ITS PREDECESSOR ENFORCED THEM. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS PREVENT THE EPA FROM EXPANDING ITS POWER BEYOND THAT WHICH IS APPROPRIATE, AND KNOCK OFF THE GLOBAL WARMING FANTASY.
There, that's my list of agreements and disagreements with Paul, based on your list. Nothing on that list would knock him out of getting my vote. He is pro-life, so he passes the basic litmus test.
Some of what he believes is off, and some of it is silly. But he's not a bad guy. He's a reasonably reliable back-bencher.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-01-09 09:40:55 Reply Private Reply
#13: BobCeleste To: Gatlin (#0)
BobCeleste posted on 2017-01-09 09:45:18 Reply Private Reply
#14: Gatlin To: BobCeleste (#13)
An unstated premise that No True Libertarian could also be against abortion because restricting abortion is taking away a woman’s liberty to make a choice.
To find evidence of this, look no further than Reason, a libertarian monthly print magazine, where that tendency has been even more pronounced….considering the magazine's editorial staff overwhelmingly favoring a right to legal abortion.
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 10:04:56 Reply Private Reply
#15: Deckard To: A K A Stone, buckeroo, hondo68 (#4)
I always laugh at the statists here who believe that the accomplishment of a politician is measured by the number of laws he sponsors and gets passed. Oh, and RP didn't take his lifetime guaranteed pension, nor did he go to work as a lobbyist like so many retired congresscritters do.
hondo is correct - the Libertarian party is NOT libertarian.
Ron Paul: An American Hero
Ron Paul’s legacy should not be measured by the number of his bills passed by Congress. His main objective was never to get his bills signed into law. There are no federal buildings or highways named after Ron Paul. “Thank goodness,” he says; he never wanted that.
Ron Paul’s accomplishments should instead be measured by the number of hearts and minds that he has changed. Throughout Ron Paul’s entire congressional career, spreading the message of liberty has always been his first and foremost priority. He ran for president three times to bring more attention to our continual loss of liberty in this country. And for that message, we all owe him a great debt of thanks.
Dr. Paul said in his farewell address that, “political action, to be truly beneficial, must be directed toward changing the hearts and minds of the people.” Unlike many politicians, Ron Paul didn’t seek political office for personal gain, power, or money. He entered politics to raise awareness to the serious problems that this country faced right after Nixon took us off the quasi-gold standard.
Ron Paul’s legacy will live on in the minds of millions of people across the world that are motivated by his message. A popular grassroots sign at Ron Paul rallies reads: “Dr. Paul Cured My Apathy.” There are countless numbers of once politically apathetic young people, like me, that literally had their lives changed because of Ron Paul’s message. Once we heard Ron Paul speak about the dire state of our nation, we felt obligated to educate ourselves, get politically involved, and spread the message of liberty and peace.
Many of us admire Ron Paul because of his principled stance on the issues. Unlike most politicians, he does not flip flop based on political whims. That’s a true rarity in Washington. He stays true to what he believes in, no matter what.
The statists here hate any politician who has principles and sticks to them.
Deckard posted on 2017-01-09 10:09:50 Reply Private Reply
#16: Deckard To: Gatlin, Roscoe, misterwhite, statists (#7)
You fools think that "passing new laws" is a sign of accomplishment.
Which is why you are laughingly derided as statists.
Deckard posted on 2017-01-09 10:12:19 Reply Private Reply
#17: Deckard To: A K A Stone (#4)
Deckard posted on 2017-01-09 10:13:00 Reply Private Reply
#18: Gatlin To: Webmaster (#16)
Deckard’s boring Libertarian Derangement Syndrome copy and paste meme/article.
Webmaster – Please reserve space.
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 10:15:59 Reply Private Reply
#19: A K A Stone To: buckeroo (#5)
I agree with most but not all.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 10:23:00 Reply Private Reply
#20: Gatlin To: Deckard, Roscoe, misterwhite, Paultards (#16)
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 10:26:26 Reply Private Reply
#21: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#7)
You are afraid to admit you agree with most of his positions. That is my opinion.
Because his bills didn't pass doesn't mean anything is wrong with his positins. It just means that most of the others didn't agree.
Now we all know the country has been gong in the wrong direction. If you agree with that then you can't blame Ron Paul for the condition of the country. He tried but he was outnumbered.
If his bills would have passed would it have made the country a better place. For the most part for sure.
Later when I have more time I will post a bunch of his positions that I disagree with.
Ron Paul is an honorable man.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 10:26:30 Reply Private Reply
#22: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#17)
Ij ust chose some from the list. Picked some from each category. I put some in i agree with and some I don't. I left some out I didn't agree with.
www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 10:27:55 Reply Private Reply
#23: Roscoe To: Deckard (#16)
Other than collect a salary, what is it that you think lawamakers should do?
I suppose you could include repealing laws, but he failed at that too.
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 10:28:10 Reply Private Reply
#24: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#12)
That is one thing I like about you. You do go in detail about why you believe as you do.
Have a good day.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 10:29:12 Reply Private Reply
#25: A K A Stone To: Roscoe (#23)
Because assholes like you outnumber him is the reason he didn't get as much accomplished as he did had we had more honorable people in congress.
I doubt you can man up because you are so childish. But if you have it in you and you have the balls to answer (very doubtful because your friends will make fun of you) please tell us what you agree with or what you disagree with on my little list.
Or don't if you are a pussy.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 10:31:24 Reply Private Reply
#26: A K A Stone To: GrandIsland (#9)
I don't like fags. But we should all be equal under the law. That doesn't mean fag pretend marriage.
I don't think he is actually for them. He has a mixed record on the issue. I disagree with some of his votes that concerned homos. But I don't disagree with all of them.
If we get to the root of WHY he voted the way he did we might understand why better and come to the conclusion that he isn't pro sodomite. Maybe not.
I don't agree with some of his drug positions. But you are exaggerating with heroin vending machines.
He has to many views that are different then Fondas.
You have a good day too.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 10:38:43 Reply Private Reply
#27: Deckard To: Gatlin (#18)
It would appear that you suffer greatly from this affliction.
Maybe a better word to describe you would be "libertyphobe".
Deckard posted on 2017-01-09 10:57:42 Reply Private Reply
#28: Deckard To: GrandIsland (#9)
Post the link or crawl back in your hole.
Deckard posted on 2017-01-09 10:59:14 Reply Private Reply
#29: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#26)
We're not far apart. We should all be equal under the law. And that does not mean that gays can marry, because that is not marriage at all.
I suppose where we would differ is that you don't like gays, while I am almost completely indifferent and generally find them pathetic, the sad and attainted dead-ends of their genetic lines.
My view is that they should not be suppressed, or oppressed, just simply ignored. And pitied.
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-01-09 13:47:22 Reply Private Reply
#30: Gatlin To: Deckard (#16)
And thinking that is sign of accomplishment….is why you assholes are laughingly ridiculed as Paultards.
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 14:10:09 Reply Private Reply
#31: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#21)
But, he is a most honorable man who has only talked, while he has accomplished nothing.
Talking is okay, but I want a leader who is not only a TALKER….but also a DOER, who makes things happen.
And that is why I wanted Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is a leader who does not “walk softly and carries a big stick” like Teddy; a leader who does not “talk softly and does nothing” like Ron….but, Donald Trump is a leader who “talks loudly and carries a big iPhone or iPad” while he accomplishes something to back up everything he says.
This country has definitely gone in the wrong direction and I never blamed, or tried to blame, Ron Paul for that in any way. Sure he has tired and he failed….as have many others also tried and failed.To paraphrase Brutus: I come to bury failures to accomplish….not to praise failures that did not accomplish.
Do we want to live in a world of “if happenings” or live in a world of “reality with beneficial happenings?”
Some people look to the past and only dream about “if” things had happened….while others wake up and look to the future to find someone to make things happen.
We have now awakened and found Donald Trump….who will make things happen, happen for the best.
Let us therefore move on, and be thankful for that …
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 14:51:33 Reply Private Reply
#32: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#24)
Thanks, you too.
I call them as a see 'em. I'm not a politician, so I don't have a hidden agenda.
"I am what I am" - Popeye
Vicomte13 posted on 2017-01-09 15:51:53 Reply Private Reply
#33: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#26)
Of course. I have to YELLA some of my examples to EVEN the YELLA playing field your agenda posters paint your site.
95% of Ron Paul's positions, I agree with. That 95% outweigh the 5% I don't agree with. So based on his political platform, knowing I will NEVER find a political candidate that I 100% agree with, I would vote for RP before I'd vote for 99% of the Republican past candidates. With that said, I'll never vote for him unless HE'S VIABLE.... AND it's to keep a (D) out of office because of the vile assholes that tarnish his name. Decktard, being a shining example of one.
Trust me when I say, Ron Paul's 6% popularity is a direct result of the TRASH (like Sucky Bucky, Hondope and Decktard) that's associated with his name. They just fail to get it... they FAIL to understand that it's because of the vile radical liberaltarian TRASH that Ron PAULTARD will DIE before he gets more than 3 laws passed or becomes POTUS
GrandIsland posted on 2017-01-09 17:23:22 Reply Private Reply
#34: BorisY To: Deckard (#27)
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BorisY posted on 2017-01-09 17:45:50 Reply Private Reply
#35: Roscoe To: A K A Stone (#25)
Just churches? Not Kmart?
Craven bitch.
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 21:45:38 Reply Private Reply
#36: Gatlin To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#33)
I agree …
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 21:58:29 Reply Private Reply
#37: Gatlin To: GrandIsland, A K A Stone (#36)
The actions by these Paultard assholes has done more to turn me off Libertarianism than — well, than anything.
My contacts with the libertarians on LP created a certain amount of contempt for their philosophies and that grew to be even greater contempt after they moved over to LF.
They all rely on the asinine assumption that….if they will only string together enough of their vague and repulsive rhetoric, then all of human history and what all rational people on earth wants can be completely ignored.
They live in their own misguided worlds …
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-09 22:09:27 Reply Private Reply
#38: buckeroo To: Gatlin, GrandIsland (#37)
You could NEVER be a libertarian; both of you thrive on government handouts.
buckeroo posted on 2017-01-09 22:17:56 Reply Private Reply
#39: A K A Stone To: Roscoe (#35)
Churches.
Why are you to cowardly to answer a simple straight forward question?
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 22:29:09 Reply Private Reply
#40: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#12)
I'm where you are for the most part.
If I get time I'll come back and tell you where I disagree with you and why.
One real quick would be gold for currency. The constitution does say that. Also in the Bible god says he likes true weights and measures. Paper money is manipulated money.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 22:34:23 Reply Private Reply
#41: Roscoe To: A K A Stone (#39)
Why is that, dullard? Because your man-crush said so?
No more Justices of the Peace?
No more marriages by ship's captains?
No more marriages by judges?
No more marriages by court clerks?
Who decides what a church is for purposes of conducting marriages?
And why not Kmart?
Stupid parrot.
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 22:58:01 Reply Private Reply
#42: A K A Stone To: Roscoe (#41)
Hmm pussyboy?
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 23:00:35 Reply Private Reply
#43: Roscoe To: A K A Stone (#42)
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 23:01:55 Reply Private Reply
#44: A K A Stone To: Yukons Left Nut (#41)
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 23:02:16 Reply Private Reply
#45: Roscoe To: A K A Stone (#42)
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 23:03:20 Reply Private Reply
#46: Roscoe To: A K A Stone (#44)
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-09 23:05:03 Reply Private Reply
#47: Fred Mertz To: A K A Stone (#44)
Fred Mertz posted on 2017-01-09 23:08:28 Reply Private Reply
#48: A K A Stone To: Roscoe (#43)
It was Ron Pauls proposal not mine.
I agree that churches should be able to issue marriage licenses without the governments permission.
A K A Stone posted on 2017-01-09 23:17:40 Reply Private Reply
#49: GrandIsland To: A K A Stone (#48)
So do I... and they shouldn't be forced to wed faggots in the name of treating people equal. We ain't all equal... we never were.
GrandIsland posted on 2017-01-09 23:38:29 Reply Private Reply
#50: BorisY To: A K A Stone (#48)
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oath
of
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on
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the
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bible
manistfesto
love
boris
BorisY posted on 2017-01-09 23:40:56 Reply Private Reply
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