Al Raqqa is in Syria.

There's your first mistake. How is that even remotely connected to the kings of the east in Revelation 16?

Not even close.

So now the Euphrates is drying up in Syria?

Please get a map.

The small town of Raqqa next to Samarra Iraq is along the Tigris and not Euphrates river. If that is the Raqqa you were referring to. If so wrong river.

As everyone on earth knows (except you) Raqqa is the capital of the ISIS caliphate, and the "king" (or Caliph) of ISIS lives in Raqqa. And I never said Raqqa is on the Euphrates. I said it is east of the Euphrates. Why do you twist around everything I say and say I said something I didn't say? It is very irritating, and you need to stop it or else I'm not going continue this conversation.

Where are the commands of Christ to take up arms in His name for Christians to rule the world?

Luke 19:27 (and also in many verses in the Revelation).

And yes, Mohammed said much the same thing. The main difference is, and the Good News is, Christians win the battle for the earth, and the Muslims lose.

Like I already said, ALL world history books used to say that (back when I went to school) but nowadays atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. have forced many school districts and history-book publishers to rewrite history and take that out (because it offends them). Nonetheless, there are a few historians who still say much the same thing. For example, Robert Thorvat says,

Ok so the answer is "no", you don't have a source.

I would think one church council or even renown theologian would share your view. Guess not.

And Revelation 19 is NOT the return of Christ. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus returns twice.

Considering AD 312 was not the Return of Christ, means He is yet to come.

Where are the commands of Christ to take up arms in His name for Christians to rule the world?

Luke 19:27 (and also in many verses in the Revelation).

This is a parable.

Not surprising. Just about all error is extracted from a parable.

The parable is about reward and judgment at Christ's second coming.

As everyone on earth knows (except you) Raqqa is the capital of the ISIS caliphate, and the "king" (or Caliph) of ISIS lives in Raqqa. And I never said Raqqa is on the Euphrates. I said it is east of the Euphrates. Why do you twist around everything I say and say I said something I didn't say? It is very irritating, and you need to stop it or else I'm not going continue this conversation.

Lol of course I know Al Raqqa. I am still given intelligence briefs and have access to material you could only dream of. Why I find your geopolitical ramblings quite entertaining.

Al Raqqa is not kings of the East. ISIS did not have to cross any dry rivers to get there. There are plenty of bridges still intact. Those Syria- Iraq-Jordan rat lines go back centuries.

It is very irritating, and you need to stop it or else I'm not going continue this conversation.

If you cannot take criticism, perhaps you are in the wrong business.

I'd take what his insight into the Bible over yours 7 days a week 365 days a year.

Lol of course I know Al Raqqa. I am still given intelligence briefs and have access to material you could only dream of. Why I find your geopolitical ramblings quite entertaining.

Al Raqqa is not kings of the East. ISIS did not have to cross any dry rivers to get there. There are plenty of bridges still intact. Those Syria- Iraq-Jordan rat lines go back centuries.

As I have already said, the Revelation does not say anything about anyone crossing a dry river bed. The "way" of the demon possessed kings of the east is the vector formed by the epicenter of where Saddam Hussein dried up the Euphrates in conjunction with Jerusalem. When you draw a straight line between the two and extend it eastward, it points to, and bisects Baghdad, Raqqa, Kabul and Tehran like four sitting ducks in a row. The kings of Baghdad and Kabul are already dead and the king (or Caliph) of Raqqa/ISIS is next. After that we will probably have to deal with the king (or Ayatollah) in Tehran. And everyone knows a Caliph (and/or Ayatollah) is the muslim equivalent of a king, so I cant for the life of me figure out why you say what you say. I guess you just get a kick out of denying everything I say even when the whole world agrees with me (except you).

If you cannot take criticism, perhaps you are in the wrong business.

I can take criticism if there is even the slightest iota of truth behind it. Anything I say you automatically deny without any basis, and even when I state well known facts that everyone (including the CIA) accepts, you still automatically deny it. That's what is irritating.

He's whoopin you.

No, he's looking like an idiot for denying even the most evident of facts about Iraq and ISIS when he's there looking straight at them. And just so he can construe and twist them to agree with his futurist view of the Revelation. He is pathetic.

I state well known facts that everyone (including the CIA) accepts, you still automatically deny it. That's what is irritating.

You stated a lot of things.

Which are the well known facts that everyone including the CIA accepts?

Anything I say you automatically deny without any basis, and even when I state well known facts that everyone (including the CIA) accepts, you still automatically deny it. That's what is irritating.

You are probably the only poster here on LF who trusts the CIA.

I had three direct encounters with the CIA in Iraq.

Masters of manipulation and chaos. They tried killing a key informant we were using and tried convincing my boss to kill an Iraqi politician. Then the crown jewel. They tried getting air support from me after fooling a US Army battalion they were US special forces. That little stunt went up 3 and 4 star channels when I got wind of it.

So please excuse me of trusting NOTHING from the CIA.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

Your pastist view of revelation is telling. There was no thousand year reign. It's almost like when the beast antichrist comes you will think he is Jesus.

Hide and watch. The glorious 1000 year reign of the Church will begin either this year or next year.

You stated a lot of things.

Which are the well known facts that everyone including the CIA accepts?

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

Your pastist view of revelation is telling. There was no thousand year reign. It's almost like when the beast antichrist comes you will think he is Jesus.

Precisely. This theory of prophecy is very convenient for use by a one world leader who rises to claim he is "God."

All Historicist theologians believe the world will be converted via evangelism of the Gospel. Not the sword. Not even the dominionism movement believes this. They believe seizing political power through elections and evangelism will convince the world to become Christian. Still a far out view but they don't promote violence to obtain the Kingdom.

Every Biblical reference of the Return of Messiah or Day of The Lord, has God directly issuing justice with Revelation 19 depicting the conquering King Jesus Christ.

It goes back to Luke 4 where Jesus firmly establishes His Mission in the First Advent:

Luke 4: KJV

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Jesus partially read the prophecy from Isaiah 61. Let's look...

Isaiah 61: King James Version (KJV)

61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations.

5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.

6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the Lord: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.(KJV)

Notice where Jesus stops. The remainder of the Isaiah 61 prophecy will be fulfilled in His Second Advent.

Notice it is called the day of vengeance of our God.

Try being a man and ping me when you speak poorly of me.

You are a false prophet. Your comments are devoid of Christian charity.

I attacked your concepts, not you personally. Thank you for revealing yourself.

How can anyone help but speak poorly of someone who denies virtually every fact about Iraq even when you are there looking straight at them? And no one in their right mind can possibly say I am a false prophet when EVERYTHING I have predicted in the last 25 years has come to pass. You cannot name one thing I have predicted that did not come true. And nothing, not one thing, that futurists have been predicting for 25+ years has ever come true as far as I know. So who is the false prophet(s)? In Old Testament days, all of today's futurists would have been stoned to death for making even one false prophecy, and definitely for making hundreds of them.

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

50 miles!? I crossed the Euprates in Sothern Iraq several times between 2003 and 2010. Also by Blackhawk and Chinook.

The canals and marsh land were a mess at times but not completely dry. The Iranians were using small boats in the marshes to smuggle in EFP IED components.

Revelation 16: KJV

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.(KJV)

When the entire great river Euphrates dries up as indicated in Revelation 16, give me a holler. Also when the kings of the earth and of the whole world can cross the mud puddles you fixate over, give me a holler.

How you conclude the grubby death cult from Mosul funded and led by Al Douri is the sum total of the kings of the East, is quite a stretch.

For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too.

link please sir.

How can anyone help but speak poorly of someone who denies virtually every fact about Iraq even when you are there looking straight at them? And no one in their right mind can possibly say I am a false prophet when EVERYTHING I have predicted in the last 25 years has come to pass. You cannot name one thing I have predicted that did not come true. And nothing, not one thing, that futurists have been predicting for 25+ years has ever come true as far as I know. So who is the false prophet(s)? In Old Testament days, all of today's futurists would have been stoned to death for making even one false prophecy, and definitely for making hundreds of them.

You are going off the rails here. Futurists believe the Second Coming is yet to come. Only you and full preterists believe the Second Coming is in the past. Every credal Christian church is awaiting the Return of Jesus Christ in Glory.

Sure there were individuals who predicted Armageddon in their time. They broke the very first rule of Acts 1:

Acts 1: KJV

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.(KJV)

Pretty simple. The mission given to the disciples was not to concern themselves with timing BUT the mission at hand...The spreading of the Gospel.

Please take this mission to heart.

Taking your minimalist approach to Biblical prophetic passages and geopolitics, anyone could self fulfill any sneeze by Putin. Your approach seeks only to glorify you and not God.

As for what Jesus said in Acts 1:7, that is no longer true. After the fact we now know the day, the hour and minute everything in the Revelation was fulfilled up until Rev 20.

And we are supposed to "self fulfill" everything in the Revelation. It's all up to us because God follows the Star Trek directive. He only only interferes with life on earth when he deems it to be necessary. The next interference will be a thousand years from now when we will have burned up the earth and killed everyone on it.

50 miles!? I crossed the Euprates in Sothern Iraq several times between 2003 and 2010. Also by Blackhawk and Chinook.

And it wasn't dry then because as soon we invaded Iraq the lower Euphrates was restored (by the swamp arabs who have lived there since the days of Adam and Eve). (And don't tell me George W didn't do a lot of good).

"Also when the kings of the earth and of the whole world can cross the mud puddles you fixate over, give me a holler."

I have repeatedly told you that the Revelation doesn't say anyone actually crosses the dried-up Euphrates, and I have repeatedly told you what the Revelation IS saying, and its double fulfillment yet you continue to post the same old crap like a broken record. What in the world is wrong with you?

"For one thing, the CIA says the lower 50 miles of the Euphrates was dry for about 10 years, yet Redleg denies that it was ever dry. Also, the CIA (and everyone else on earth) says Raqqa is the capital of ISIS, and yet the Redleg incredibly denies that too."

link please sir.

See post #44

First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

From your source.

First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

Exactly. The miracles in the Bible are of grand scale and put people in awe.

They testify of His Power and Glory.

From your source. First the Title. Dwindle doesn't equal dry up.

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"

Then these from the article you suggested.

"and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago." Recently, the Water Ministry announced that Turkey had doubled the water flow into the Euphrates, salvaging the planting phase of the rice season in some areas."

"The Sunni areas upriver seem to have enough water, Mr. Joda observed,"

"Throughout the marshes, the reed gatherers, standing on land they once floated over, cry out to visitors in a passing boat."

And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with what the CIA said. The 2nd and 3rd sources have to with a very brief drying up of the Euphrates in 2009 and 2012 or 2013 I think, but it is completely immaterial because those two instances have nothing to do with what the CIA said about the first drying up of the Euphrates which is what the Revelation is talking about. The CIA, my first source, says the Euphrates where Hussein dried it up was dry for at least 10 years, from 1994 to 2003 when the swamp Arabs restored it as soon as Hussein was toppled. Other sources say it went dry a year or two before the CIA picked up on it, but I figured I would quote the CIA because everyone believes the CIA (except the Redleg evidently). My main point is, it was dry on 9/11 when Ar Mageddon began. And the mid-point of where it dried up forms a vector with Jerusalem that very precisely points to the 4 demon-possessed kings of the east the Revelation is talking about. And no they don't cross the dried-up Euphrates but they do gather all the world to that spot. It is the epicenter of the Battle of Ar Mageddon. And a fellow Jew, Joel Rosenberg, is saying the exact same thing I am saying. All Jews know what Ar Mageddon means. Ar Mageddo means City of the Sanctuary, meaning a city (Baghdad) in the original sanctuary of God called the Garden of Eden where modern man was created. Also called Mesopotamia in the secular world it is where the first civilized man appeared. Adding an "n" to it means "and environs" (meaning the entire sanctuary which includes all of Iraq and Syria). And that is where all the world is being gathered to as we speak, just as prophesied.

And none of that has anything whatsoever to do with what the CIA said.

Then why did you provide that as your link when I asked you for proof?

It was your link goofy.

1. A University of Texas map, based on aerial photos of Iraq and dated June 1994, shows the lower fifty miles of the Euphrates as being completely dry. It is included in a CIA report titled, “The Destruction of Iraq’s Marshes”

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

Considering AD 312 was not the Return of Christ, means He is yet to come.

So you are denying what all history books say? (Or at least what all history books used to say before atheists and the Satanic ACLU forced historians to rewrite history)?

Then why did you provide that as your link when I asked you for proof?

It was your link goofy.

I only provided the 2nd and 3rd links because the dates they said the Euphrates dried up corresponded to two additional bad things that happened when the Euphrates dried up. But they are by no means the main event. The main event is 9/11 which happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, and as documented in my first link Mr. Goofystone.

Thanks for the entertainment.

Again your source says partially dried up. Only fifty miles. Assuming your source is accurate.

The Length of the Euphrates is 1,740 miles. That means 2.8735632183908044 percent of it was dry.

The Bible says in Revelation 16:12-15King James Version (KJV)

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,

It doesn't say 2.8735632183908044 percent of it will dry up. It says it will dry up.

You're a joke and a clown.

You are a bald face liar. And I can easily prove it, but I dont have the map in question on my new computer, a laptop, and I guess I will have to retrieve my old desktop from my mini-warehouse and fire it up and post the UT/CIA map on LF just for you Mr. Goofy and for Mr. Red herring. But is a huge map and I'm not sure you will be able to read it after it is shrunk down enough to fit on this site, but it very plainly says that 50 miles of the Euphrates was COMPLETELY dry. And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

No I don't trust the CIA. They tried fooling Soldiers and Airmen into killing an innocent man and his family in Iraq.

You are a bald face liar.

Where did I lie. I quoted from your link. Then I did the math.

You are a stupid person. A clown. Someone to laugh at not be listened to. No serious person thinks highly of you.

You have never predicted anything correctly. Not once. Not even what time the sun rises.

You are so dumb you think that people seen in boats (your source) means it is dried up. Here is a clue for you dimwit. I* there is a boat on the river. There is water there.

Why would you need some alleged computer in some alleged warehouse? Don't you know how to use google to find maps? You're a clown and you're full of shit.

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless

If you believer the CIA you don't believe Jesus. You are a false teacher, a hell log.

And if you guys don't believe the CIA, you are completely hopeless and I am not going to continue this ridiculous conversation for another minute.

You've been exposed as a fraud. That is what frauds do. They run along somewhere else to try and fool someone else with their gypsy tactics.

So go ahead run along coward liar.

Where did I lie. I quoted from your link. Then I did the math.

Why would you need some alleged computer in some alleged warehouse? Don't you know how to use google to find maps? You're a clown and you're full of shit.

You did not copy from my first link, which is the University of Teas/ CIA map of where Saddam Hussein dried up the Euphrates. It is that drying up of the Euphrates, when it was bone dry for 10+ years, that the Revelation is talking about.

The reason I need to fire up my old computer is because that map was removed from the internet over 13 years ago, Mr. Goofystone, when the US toppled Saddam and the swamp Arabs immediately restored the Euphrates. But it is still available in the UT and CIA archives. If you want to see it, just call up the University of Texas like I did, and they will tell you how to download it. There is not room on my boat to hook up my huge desktop, and my daughter told me she doesn't have room for it either, so if you want to see it, you will have to call the U of T, or the CIA. You do have a phone don't you?

You did not copy from my first link,

Everything I said was from links you provided. Your links said you are full of it.

The Euphrates is over a thousand miles long. It never dried up.

You don't lead people to christ. You lead them away. You make chrisians look stupid. But it is just you that is stupid. You are also a liar.

You couldn't be more wrong. I have led many hundreds of people to Christ. When I was the jailhouse preacher in the Brazoria County jail, I converted virtually everyone in the Jail including the most hardened atheists in Texas. I did it by preaching entirely from the Revelation, and proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God, by showing that 85 percent of the Revelation has been fulfilled. And I told the murderers and all the violent inmates, If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven. And I share Mad Dog's view (the new Secretary of Defense) that killing the bad guys is fun. And many of the guys I converted are now in Iraq killing the bad guys, and having fun doing it.

I can guarantee you that not one futurist in history has the track record I have for converting people. The futurists lead people away from Christ and make Christians look stupid by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true.

If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven.

A lie.

by predicting a bunch of crazy stuff that never comes true.

Like the fool who provided links to make their case. Then the links all said the Euphrates didn't dry up. Making the fool not only a fool but a liar and a false prophet.

Everything I said was from links you provided. Your links said you are full of it.

You are the one who is full of it. It is impossible for you to have copied anything from my first link because it was removed from the internet over 13 years ago. Like I said, it is archived and you have to call up the CIA or UT if you want to see the map of where the Euphrates was bone dry for over 10 years. I've already told you that three times. And as I have also told you 3 times, the other two links have nothing whatsoever to do with what the Revelation is talking about. I only included them because some additional bad things happened the 2nd and 3rd times the Euphrates dried up (or nearly dried up in one case). The Revelation is talking about what happened the first time the Euphrates dried up, when 9/11 occured. I have also told you that 3 times and I am getting very tired of having to repeat myself over and over, and over again. You and the Red herring are the densest people I have ever tried to talk to in my life.

"If you still feel like killing someone, join the armed forces and kill the enemies of Jesus to your heart's content, and you will receive a mansion in heaven."

A lie.

Jesus does not lie. Read John 14:2, Luke 19:27, and Revelation 3:5.

Rev 3:5 says, "The one conquering, this one will be arrayed in white garments, and by no means will I blot out his name from the Book of Life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels."

Nothing can be any plainer than that.

Revelation 3King James Version (KJV)

3 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.

5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.