Cannelton, IN Volunteer Fire Chief Christopher Herzog was recently arrested for attempting to prevent a police officer from making a fire worse. However, the police version of the story makes it sound like Herzog was some crazed assailant attacking heroes. Now, the firefighter is facing a felony.
When kindergartners are taught to stop drop and roll, they are also taught that fire feeds on oxygen and that sometimes a suddenly opened door or window could cause a fire. Unfortunately, Cannelton police officer Ryen Foertsch did not get the memo.
Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse. Herzog arrived on the scene to witness the blunder, and attempted to prevent the officer from literally adding fuel to the fire, and tried to get him away from the house.
Sensing that his authority was being threatened, Foertsch arrested the fire chief as the house continued to burn.
To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk. Officer Foertsch claims that Herzog was shouting obscenities at him and shoving him. However, Herzog says that he was simply attempted to diffuse a dangerous situation, and even if he was shouting at the officer, he had every right to considering the circumstances.
Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed.
I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal, Zukeschwerdt said.
Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave.
Were in charge of this scene now, Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, a lot of the fire department guys started saying lets grab out gear and go.
Sadly, after the chief was arrested and the other firefighters sent away, the police officers did nothing and allowed the fire to completely destroy the house. Herzog was taken into custody and lodged in the Perry County Jail on a charge of battery against a public safety official, a level 6 felony.
Soon after the arrest, Herzog was bailed out of jail by Cannelton Mayor Mary Snyder.
It is important to note that the National Incident Management System, which sets national standards for first responders in emergencies such as this, states that the first fire unit arriving on the scene of a house fire are the ones to take command of the incident, which means that Herzog was within his rights to take charge of the situation when he arrived on the scene.
It seems that officer Foertsch was more concerned with his own ego and perceived authority than he was with saving lives, which is a dangerous consequence of giving a person unlimited power.
#52: Deckard To: Vinny (#50)
Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-31 16:58:46 Reply Private Reply
#53: Gatlin To: Deckard (#41)
Non sequitur.
Ridiculous ...
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 16:59:38 Reply Private Reply
#54: Roscoe To: Gatlin (#51)
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-31 17:02:57 Reply Private Reply
#55: Gatlin To: Deckard (#38)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:04:49 Reply Private Reply
#56: Deckard To: Gatlin (#48)
You probably should have checked the links and watched the video.
I was in shock, says Chris Zukeschwerdt, whose house was on fire.When I saw the faces of those firefighters to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal.
Zukeschwerdt has spent 40 years as an EMT and says, I've never seen anything like it in my life.
Humphery recorded the aftermath on her cell phone. She watched first responders in blue and red butt heads, while a fire burned in the background.
They pulled the fire chief out, Zukeschwerdt said, while the fire was still smoldering. Humphrey saw him arrested and put in handcuffs.
Neighbors there say police officers then told Cannelton firefighters to pack up. A firefighter can be heard on video telling his crew to pick up the hoses and leave.
We're in charge of this scene now, Zukeschwerdt says he heard a police officer say, and a lot of the fire department guys started saying let's grab out gear and go.
Zukeschwerdt says he heard the assistant fire chief tell his firefighters to stay put and make sure this fire is out.
Well, it wasn't.
The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-31 17:06:13 Reply Private Reply
#57: Roscoe To: Deckard (#52)
According to fire expert Matt Agorist.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-31 17:08:27 Reply Private Reply
#58: Vinny To: Deckard (#52)
Vinny posted on 2016-12-31 17:09:36 Reply Private Reply
#59: Roscoe To: Deckard (#56)
So the fire was OUT when the police were looking for possible victims.
What a great foot shot!
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-31 17:09:38 Reply Private Reply
#60: Gatlin To: Deckard (#38)
It was reported that the fire was out when the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed the scene and that was when the police ordered the remaining fire crew off the property.
Try to keep up
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:10:45 Reply Private Reply
#61: Roscoe To: Vinny (#58)
The Ron Rico Purple Label is 151 proof. Highly flammable.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-31 17:12:40 Reply Private Reply
#62: Gatlin To: Deckard (#38)
No, this is just another example of the many yellow journalism article you post and your failure to fact check.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:13:43 Reply Private Reply
#63: Roscoe To: Gatlin (#60)
You and your darn facts! Don't you know that mansplaining triggers the SJWs.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-31 17:14:16 Reply Private Reply
#64: Gatlin To: Roscoe (#45)
He is a weirdo....but I have yet to see a libertarian who is not.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:15:55 Reply Private Reply
#65: Gatlin To: Roscoe, Vinny (#47)
He will still be the Phoenix rising from the ashes.
He has a strong desire to receive truthful verbal abuse
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:20:05 Reply Private Reply
#66: Deckard To: Vinny (#58)
Please post a link to where the Chief was found to have ANY alcohol in his system along with any toxicology reports and arrest history.
What - you mean you are just making shit up because you have a man-crush on cops?
You certainly do have a vivid - one could almost say "delusional" imagination!
Deckard posted on 2016-12-31 17:21:07 Reply Private Reply
#67: Gatlin To: Deckard, Vinny (#49)
What other cops have we been discussing were fighting fires?
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:22:39 Reply Private Reply
#68: Roscoe To: Gatlin (#67)
It may have been in one the discussions he was having with the voices in his head.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-31 17:25:15 Reply Private Reply
#69: Gatlin To: Roscoe (#54)
At least he hasnt posted a multitude of different links for deflection .since he is getting his ass kicked so rightly with facts.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:25:47 Reply Private Reply
#70: GrandIsland To: Deckard (#35)
I don't "claim".... I am a retired 20 year LEO.
During an active fire, the fire chief has control of the scene.
GrandIsland posted on 2016-12-31 17:42:29 Reply Private Reply
#71: Gatlin To: Deckard (#56)
First, Zukeschwerdt said : their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.
Then a couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: They pulled the fire chief out, Zukeschwerdt said, while the fire was still smoldering.
Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: Check to make sure there are no hot spots. [meaning of course, that the fire was out].
Now, please tell me .which link should I probably have checked?
There is no quotation marks encompassing that statement.Stop making up shit and trying to slip it in .that is so typical yellow journalism and easily spotted.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:45:43 Reply Private Reply
#72: Gatlin To: Roscoe, Deckard (#59)
It did not!
I hit him on this also.
He likes to add shit in and make it look like someone reported that.
It is becaue of his actions, that I have a hard time trusting libertarians.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:51:08 Reply Private Reply
#73: Gatlin To: Deckard, Roscoe, Vinny (#66)
Deckard to Vinny:
pot, kettle....black!
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 17:54:58 Reply Private Reply
#74: Vinny To: Roscoe (#61)
Total rummy. Red faced, cop fighters usually are.
Vinny posted on 2016-12-31 18:12:23 Reply Private Reply
#75: Deckard To: GrandIsland (#70)
Thank you.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-31 18:22:07 Reply Private Reply
#76: Deckard To: Vinny (#74)
Still waiting for you to post documented evidence showing the Chief was intoxicated.
...cop fighters usually are.
The cop in this instance should have obeyed the person who has authority at a fire -the Chief.
He would have served a useful purpose by keeping civilians away and fetching donuts and coffee for the real public servants.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-31 18:31:43 Reply Private Reply
#77: Hondo68 To: Gatlin (#73)
Police firefighting skilz.
Hondo68 posted on 2016-12-31 18:45:04 Reply Private Reply
#78: GrandIsland To: Gatlin (#40)
lol.... was wondering that myself.
GrandIsland posted on 2016-12-31 19:01:15 Reply Private Reply
#79: Deckard To: GrandIsland, Gatlin (#78)
It's kinda like Gatlin "claiming" to be a major when he distances himself from and trashes the very Constitution that he supposedly took an oath to protect and defend.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-31 19:27:16 Reply Private Reply
#80: Deckard To: hondo68 (#77)
Now they're gonna have to jack up some other citizen to make up for their incompetence.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-31 19:30:17 Reply Private Reply
#81: Vinny To: Deckard (#76)
KooK, the officers arrested the stewball after he struck an officer at the scene of an emergency where they heroically saved citizens.
So actually they were in charge.
See how this stuff works?
Vinny posted on 2016-12-31 20:12:23 Reply Private Reply
#82: Gatlin To: Deckard, GrandIsland (#79)
Well you can .but if you do so, then you will get your dumb hotheaded ass arrested and charged with: Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 21:28:22 Reply Private Reply
#83: Gatlin To: GrandIsland (#78)
He cant arrange his words and phrases properly to create well-formed sentences that make sense.
That is no doubt caused by his total inability to understand the complexity and truthfulness of the situation he is trying to discuss.
The poor lad is always so lost in the world of reality
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-31 21:36:47 Reply Private Reply
#84: Deckard To: Vinny (#81)
HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically?
Not according to the homeowner and witnesses on the scene.
Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed.
I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal, Zukeschwerdt said.
Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave.
Were in charge of this scene now, Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, a lot of the fire department guys started saying lets grab out gear and go.
Gee, what happened next you say?
The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house.
And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day?
Deckard posted on 2017-01-01 00:13:32 Reply Private Reply
#85: Gatlin To: Deckard, Vinny (#84)
There you go again spouting of about what Chris Zukeschwerdt said.
Chris Zukeschwerdts account is inconsistent and in contradiction to other sources.
Now, please, you cannot possible tell which version of all this is factually correct.Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 00:46:38 Reply Private Reply
#86: rlk To: Deckard (#84)
The weren't there for law enforcement. They were there for ego enforcement. A small minded man looking for a chance to show his authority and prowess.
rlk posted on 2017-01-01 00:50:06 Reply Private Reply
#87: Gatlin To: Deckard, Vinny, Roscoe (#84)
Why do you constantly point to and rely so heavily on eyewitness reports when using eyewitness reports is one of the worse things you can do since science has for a long time proven their inaccuracy.
Dont believe that .then check these out:
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 02:45:30 Reply Private Reply
#88: Deckard To: Gatlin (#85)
Oh - you mean the HOMEOWNER who was at the scene of the fire the entire time?
Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed.
I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal, Zukeschwerdt said.
Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave.
Were in charge of this scene now, Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say.
Oh yeah - he must be lying, right?
Your whining is growing tiresome.
All charges against the Chief will be dropped. The town can't afford to have the cops and firefighters become enemies. At the very most, this was two guys getting into an argument over who's boss.
It is nowhere near a Level 6 Felony, unless of course you believe that a heroic public servant pushing a badged "hero" rises to that level of criminality.
Deckard posted on 2017-01-01 02:47:54 Reply Private Reply
#89: Deckard To: buckeroo (#28)
He's moved on from yukon to FireIsland in that department.
You are a queer, just like him
I wonder if Gatlin likes sushi and MMA fighting as much as our resident Village People cop does.
Deckard posted on 2017-01-01 03:06:10 Reply Private Reply
#90: Deckard To: Gatlin, Roscoe, Vinny, GrandIsland, rlk, hjondo68 A K A Stone, buckeroo, Stoner (#86)
Cop Handcuffs Firefighter For Trying to Protect Crash Victims, Caught on Tape
Firefighter Was in the Middle of Helping a Woman During Medical Call When He Suddenly Found Himself in Handcuffs
Cop Arrests Fireman Giving Aid - Jury Awards $18k
Juror Betsy Vennemann said after the verdict, "We wanted to make a statement that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated."
Capt. David Wilson won $7,500 in compensatory damages and $10,000 in punitive damages. Jurors, including a nun, said they went easy on the defendant, Officer Todd Greeves, because he has a family and they weren't sure who would pay the bill.
Wilson testified that the Robertson Fire Protection District truck was parked in a way to protect rescuers working to free a victim from wreckage along Interstate 270 at McDonnell Boulevard.
Greeves ordered that the truck be moved to accommodate passing traffic and arrested Wilson for ignoring him. Wilson was released after 23 minutes and never charged. He sued, claiming civil rights violations that opened him to anxiety and humiliation.
Greeves told the court the truck was creating a hazard and not adding to safety at the scene.
Jurors interviewed after the verdict said their feeling about Greeves was reinforced during the punitive phase of the trial, when they heard there had been other complaints about him. An internal affairs investigation determined that Greeves used excessive force in a 2002 arrest, court documents show, and was the subject of several other complaints.
Before Wednesday's deliberations, U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Ann Medler had already ruled that Greeves had no probable cause to arrest Wilson, who she said had state law on his side. She also dismissed the city of Hazelwood as a defendant.
Deckard posted on 2017-01-01 03:24:08 Reply Private Reply
#91: Roscoe To: Deckard (#90)
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-01 04:09:52 Reply Private Reply
#92: Deckard To: Roscoe (#91)
Uh, no - I haven't lost the debate and I'm not changing my story.
I merely pointed out that this was not an isolated incident. Cops have interfered with firefighters doing their jobs before and they will do it again.
Why? Because they just don't learn.
Maybe more lawsuits like the one I posted above would be the answer.
At any rate, the felony charges against the Chief will be dropped, unless the badged "heroes" want to make an example out of him.
By doing so however they will only increase the tension between firefighters and cops - nobody wants to see that.
Pursuing criminal charges against Fire Chief Christopher Herzog will ultimately put lives and property in danger.
Deckard posted on 2017-01-01 04:25:59 Reply Private Reply
#93: Roscoe To: Deckard (#92)
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-01 05:15:01 Reply Private Reply
#94: Fred Mertz To: Roscoe (#93)
Fred Mertz posted on 2017-01-01 05:31:40 Reply Private Reply
#95: Roscoe To: Fred Mertz (#94)
This is more like swatting flies.
Roscoe posted on 2017-01-01 05:54:20 Reply Private Reply
#96: Gatlin To: Deckard (#88)
I do mean the homeowner who cannot keep his story straight each time he tells it.
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 07:42:49 Reply Private Reply
#97: Gatlin To: Deckard (#90)
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 07:50:39 Reply Private Reply
#98: Gatlin To: Deckard, Roscoe (#92)
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 07:58:05 Reply Private Reply
#99: Gatlin To: Deckard (#88)
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 08:04:31 Reply Private Reply
#100: Gatlin To: Deckard (#88)
Eyewitness reports are notoriously unreliable.
Dont believe that then check these links out.
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 08:13:34 Reply Private Reply
#101: Gatlin To: Roscoe (#95)
In the case with Deckard...like swatting a pesky gnat.
Gatlin posted on 2017-01-01 09:33:25 Reply Private Reply