That isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.

Please state your evidence that it isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.

Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.

The cops - not so much.

But if it is your contention that cops should be placed in charge of residential fire scenes, people will die as a result.

Do you really want that?

Something the volunteer fire chief should already have done….but obviously had not since he violently tried to stop the cops from performing the correct task.

Oh, so that's your rationale now?

There is no evidence to show that the Fire Department failed to search the house. It makes sense to me that experienced and highly trained firefighters would know to do that first.

To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk.

Apparently the cops were not really interested public safety.

It was just another example of an arrogant cop flexing his authoritah when he should have been directing traffic or fetching donuts and coffee for the real heroes.

The article he posted did not mention it. The article he linked to did not mention it. Now. like a craven bitch, you whine that the article linked to an article that linked to a video, and pretend you've made a point.

Just a suggestion - maybe you could get an update on your 64K phone modem so you are able to watch videos and not appear to be so much of a lying assclown.

You claim to have been a cop. Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman?

Furthermore, a better question to ask: Is a patrolman allowed to take direct action when a volunteer fire chief does not follow the published procedure and lives may be endangered because of that?

Procedure

The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are:

1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.

[….]

The volunteer fire chief did NOT check the house for any endangered occupants. He was negligent in his duty by not following established procedure.

Follow Up Question: Since the volunteer fire chief did not perform his duty at all….then is the patrolman to stand down and not check the house for occupants after an irresponsible hothead volunteer fire chief abdicated his duties and acted irrationally by not following published procedures?

Any volunteer fire chief who lost control of himself at the scene and reacts violently by physically attacking a Public Safety Official should be arrested and relieved of his duty as the volunteer fire chief.

The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Most likely due to the "police officer" breaking the windows.

Your posted article doesn't say he broke the window. It shows that he was feloniously assaulted while he was "attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house."

You can't even keep your lies straight.

a piece of writing included with others in a newspaper, magazine, or other publication.

Craven bitch #2.

Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.

What a coward.

I'll try again: Please state your evidence that it isn't their job at a fire scene unless requested by the Fire Chief, who has command.

The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.

He'll flee your point, gibbering in angry terror.

Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.

KooK, tell that to the families of the 60 cops who died while evacuating the fire engulfed Twin Towers on 9/11.

KooK, tell that to the families of the 60 cops who died while evacuating the fire engulfed Twin Towers on 9/11.

You nuked him.

Reports indicate that the fire was extinguished at that point, but reignited later.
Most likely due to the "police officer" breaking the windows.

Besides, you need to read and comprehend the yellow journalism article you posted.

Foertsch was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house….

I say let the experts handle a fire, the cops should only be there to direct traffic.

Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.

...tell that to the families of the 60 cops who died while evacuating the fire engulfed Twin Towers on 9/11.

Oh - were those cops also fighting the fires?

Oh gee, the Fire Chief has the training and experience fighting fires.

Procedure

The first-arriving company officer at the scene of a multi-patient or mass casualty incident shall establish Command. The initial Incident Commander (IC) shall remain in Command until Command is transferred or the incident is stabilized and Command is terminated. Command is responsible for the completion of the tactical objectives. The general tactical objectives, listed in order of priority, are:

1. Remove endangered occupants and treat the injured.

[….]

Foertsch was at the location of the fire and in plain clothes, not dressed as an officer and was attempting to smash in one of the windows of the house, a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse.

Post your picture so we can all judge whether or not you are drunk.

Non sequitur.

Ridiculous ...

There is no evidence to show that the Fire Department failed to search the house.

There is no report that the fire reignited later.

You probably should have checked the links and watched the video.

“I was in shock,” says Chris Zukeschwerdt, whose house was on fire.”When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal.”

Zukeschwerdt has spent 40 years as an EMT and says, “I've never seen anything like it in my life.”

Humphery recorded the aftermath on her cell phone. She watched first responders in blue and red butt heads, while a fire burned in the background.

“They pulled the fire chief out,” Zukeschwerdt said, while the fire was still smoldering. Humphrey saw him arrested and put in handcuffs.

Neighbors there say police officers then told Cannelton firefighters to pack up. A firefighter can be heard on video telling his crew to pick up the hoses and leave.

“We're in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard a police officer say, “and a lot of the fire department guys started saying let's grab out gear and go.”

Zukeschwerdt says he heard the assistant fire chief tell his firefighters to stay put and “make sure this fire is out.”

Well, it wasn't.

The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house.

"a move that could have obviously made the fire far worse."

According to fire expert Matt Agorist.

The house caught fire again

So the fire was OUT when the police were looking for possible victims.

What a great foot shot!

To make matters worse, as the house burned, the police ordered the remaining fire crew off of the property, preventing them from doing their jobs and putting lives and property at risk.

It was reported that the fire was out when the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed the scene and that was when the police ordered the remaining fire crew off the property.

Try to keep up …

he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.

The Ron Rico Purple Label is 151 proof. Highly flammable.

It was just another example of an arrogant cop flexing his authoritah when he should have been directing traffic or fetching donuts and coffee for the real heroes.

No, this is just another example of the many yellow journalism article you post and your failure to fact check.

It was reported that the fire was out when the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed the scene and that was when the police ordered the remaining fire crew off the property.

You and your darn facts! Don't you know that mansplaining triggers the SJWs.

The Indiana State Troopers independently investigate the incident and they arrested the volunteer fire chief.

He'll flee your point, gibbering in angry terror.

He is a weirdo....but I have yet to see a libertarian who is not.

You nuked him.

He will still be the “Phoenix rising from the ashes.”

He has a strong desire to receive truthful verbal abuse …

had they allowed that human eternal flame into the house he would have burst into flames given his rum intake.

Please post a link to where the Chief was found to have ANY alcohol in his system along with any toxicology reports and arrest history.

What - you mean you are just making shit up because you have a man-crush on cops?

You certainly do have a vivid - one could almost say "delusional" imagination!

Oh - were those cops also fighting the fires?

What other cops have we been discussing were fighting fires?

What other cops have we been discussing were fighting fires?

It may have been in one the discussions he was having with the voices in his head.

He's dodging.

At least he hasn’t posted a multitude of different links for deflection….since he is getting his ass kicked so rightly with facts.

You claim to have been a cop.

Who has authority at a fire scene, the Fire Chief or a patrolman?

I don't "claim".... I am a retired 20 year LEO.

During an active fire, the fire chief has control of the scene.

You probably should have checked the links and watched the video.

First, Zukeschwerdt said : “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”

Then a couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: “They pulled the fire chief out,” Zukeschwerdt said, “while the fire was still smoldering.”

Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: “Check to make sure there are no hot spots.” [meaning of course, that the fire was out].

Now, please tell me….which link should I probably have checked?

The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house.

Stop making up shit and trying to slip it in….that is so typical yellow journalism and easily spotted.

The house caught fire again

It did not!

I hit him on this also.

He likes to add shit in and make it look like someone reported that.

It is becaue of his actions, that I have a hard time trusting libertarians.

Deckard to Vinny:

You certainly do have a vivid - one could almost say "delusional" imagination!

pot, kettle....black!

The Ron Rico Purple Label is 151 proof. Highly flammable.

Total rummy. Red faced, cop fighters usually are.

During an active fire, the fire chief has control of the scene.

Thank you.

Total rummy. Red faced

Still waiting for you to post documented evidence showing the Chief was intoxicated.

...cop fighters usually are.

The cop in this instance should have obeyed the person who has authority at a fire -the Chief.

He would have served a useful purpose by keeping civilians away and fetching donuts and coffee for the real public servants.

Police firefighting skilz.

If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question?

lol.... was wondering that myself.

If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….

lol.... was wondering that myself.

It's kinda like Gatlin "claiming" to be a major when he distances himself from and trashes the very Constitution that he supposedly took an oath to protect and defend.

Now they're gonna have to jack up some other citizen to make up for their incompetence.

The cop in this instance should have obeyed the person who has authority at a fire -the Chief.

KooK, the officers arrested the stewball after he struck an officer at the scene of an emergency where they heroically saved citizens.

So actually they were in charge.

See how this stuff works?

Cannelton Fire Chief Arrested after Shoving a Police Officer at a Fire Scene

Perry County (Cannelton): The chief of the Cannelton Fire Department was arrested Tuesday for shoving a police officer multiple times at a fire scene.

Tuesday evening, Cannelton Fire and Police Departments responded to an active structure fire at 550 Knight Street, Cannelton. Cannelton Police Officer Ryen Foertsch and Perry County Deputy Stephen Poehlein arrived at the scene, and immediately entered the burning residence to make sure nobody was inside. After clearing two rooms of the home, smoke became too overwhelming, forcing the officers from the fire.

Once outside, Foertsch attempted to break the window of a room that he was unable to clear. Fire Chief Christopher Herzog approached Foertsch, pushed him hard enough to cause him to step back, and began shouting profanities at him, telling him to get off of his fire scene. Foertsch tried explained to Herzog what they were doing in clearing the burning home, at which point Herzog pushed Foertsch again, and again yelled profanities at Foertsch to get off of his scene.

Both officers conveyed the situation to their superiors. At the request of Cannelton Police Chief Lee Hall, troopers with the Indiana State Police were contacted to investigate the complaint. After investigating, Troopers Jeremy Galloway and Nathaniel Kern arrived at the scene of the fire and placed Herzog into custody. Herzog was lodged in the Perry County Jail.

Arrested and charges:
Christopher W. Herzog, 51
Cannelton, IN
- Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony

Indiana State Police-Jasper District 34-Jasper, IN.

Well you can….but if you do so, then you will get your dumb hotheaded ass arrested and charged with: Battery Against a Public Safety Official, Level 6 Felony.

If it is as you say, that he only CLAIMES to have been a cop….then why in the pluck are you even asking him the question?

lol.... was wondering that myself.

He can’t arrange his words and phrases properly to create well-formed sentences that make sense.

That is no doubt caused by his total inability to understand the complexity and truthfulness of the situation he is trying to discuss.

The poor lad is always so lost in the world of reality …

they heroically saved citizens.

So actually they were in charge.

HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically?

Not according to the homeowner and witnesses on the scene.

Chris Zukeschwerdt, the man who owns the house that was burning, was horrified by the encounter that he witnessed.

“I was in shock. When I saw the faces of those firefighters – to see their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire was just unreal,” Zukeschwerdt said.

Zukeschwerdt said that he heard the chief yell to the other firefighters to stay and make sure the fire was put out, as he was dragged away in handcuffs. However, he says that next the police officers took over the scene and ordered the firefighters to leave.

“We’re in charge of this scene now,” Zukeschwerdt says he heard an officer say. Zukeschwerdt said at that point, “a lot of the fire department guys started saying let’s grab out gear and go.”

Gee, what happened next you say?

The house caught fire again, and torched the rest of the house.

And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day?

Not according to Chris Zukeschwerdt …

HUH? So you are trying to say that it was the cops who acted heroically?

“There you go again” spouting of about what Chris Zukeschwerdt said.

Chris Zukeschwerdt’s account is inconsistent and in contradiction to other sources.

First, Zukeschwerdt said : “… their leader being pulled out of here while he was fighting a fire.”

A couple line down, Zukeschwerdt said: “They pulled the fire chief out while the fire was still smoldering.”

Then a link stated as the handcuffed volunteer fire chief departed, he said to his crew: “Check to make sure there are no hot spots.” [meaning of course, that the fire was out].

And still you ignorantly claim that the cops were "heroes" that day?

The weren't there for law enforcement. They were there for ego enforcement. A small minded man looking for a chance to show his authority and prowess.