"There is nothing in the constitution that limits when they can protest."

And there's nothing in the U.S. Constitution that protects their right to set up camping tents outside of the Denver City and County Building.

Where is there a right to trespass guaranteed in the Constitution?

[crickets]

Public land is public land.

According to me you should only be charged with trespassing if you are on private property not public property paid for by the people.

And there's nothing in the U.S. Constitution that protects their right to set up camping tents outside of the Denver City and County Building.

Yes there is. The first amendment and the fourth. And common sense.

"Where is there a right to trespass guaranteed in the Constitution?"

I think that falls under the penumbra of dragooning.

I agree 100 percent if they protest and block traffic on a street.

They weren't doing that.

I can't logically debate with you if your argument is that the defendants in the case should be able to violate certain laws, but not others, that YOU deem is ok, while protesting. It's an in winnable debate on my part... you've made your own rules to live by.

Your idiology wouldn't hold up as a defense in court.

"Yes there is. The first amendment and the fourth. And common sense."

Ah. So Denver City Ordnance Sec. 38-86.2 prohibiting unauthorized camping on public or private property was found unconstitutional under the first amendment and the fourth and common sense?

I can't logically debate with you if your argument is that the defendants in the case should be able to violate certain laws,

The constitution is the supreme law of the land.

You never addressed my points I made about it.

Why do you think any law made is lawful and doesn't have to follow the constitution to the LETTER?

Manche führen, manche folgen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i_O22XR-6U.

The founders didn't have hotels with furnaces.

They had alms houses with fireplaces for the poor. They had municipal laws against loitering and vagrancy.

If you're actually interested in learning somenthing and having a teachable state of mind, I'll even tell you why.

The first amendment and the fourth.

The City and County of Denver are Congress?

Your idiology wouldn't hold up as a defense in court.

I agree. But I'm just stating the honest opinion that I have after reading the constitution and determining what the words literally mean.

I'm a person who likes things to be right.

If someone says they believe the Bible. Then I expect them to actually believe what it says and not something different.

I love this country and its constitution. I'm not a lawyer but I can read the words and what they mean. It is supposed to be the highest law of the land. So I take it literally. What the words literally mean. It is my expectation that the government should obey it 100 percent and not stray even .001 percent.

If they don't like the constitution because it limits laws they can pass that are non inconsistent with the document. Then change the constitution, and if you can't change it then don't whine that it is to hard. That means more people disagree with you and don't want it changed.

Public land is public land.

You own the whitehouse lawn... let me know how your Deckard like opinion works when you climb the fence.

You are really surprising me, Stone. I think you might wanna rename this site PAULTARDPOST.COM

You own your school playgrounds.... but you can't camp there. You own your state Forrest... but there are constitutionally tested laws on that too. YOU don't own public land in its entirety... other tax payers own it as well. So when you act like Deckard, and do whatever the fuck you like on public property, YOU VICTIMIZE YOUR PEERS.

I think that falls under the penumbra of dragooning.

You own your school playgrounds.... but you can't camp there.

And the public school buildings. Pick the lock and settle in.

Do your local ordnance is a bag of shit.

Could you fix that so sober people can read it?

That was funny....VERY FUNNY.

He does get drunk every Saturday night ...

The first amendment and the fourth. The City and County of Denver are Congress?

Did you not know that every state in the union has a first amendment and a fourth.

There constituion is even more clear and protects those rights even more.

Section 7. Security of person and property - searches - seizures - warrants. The people shall be secure in their persons, papers, homes and effects, from unreasonable searches and seizures; and no warrant to search any place or seize any person or things shall issue without describing the place to be searched, or the person or thing to be seized, as near as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation reduced to writing.

Section 10. Freedom of speech and press. No law shall be passed impairing the freedom of speech; every person shall be free to speak, write or publish whatever he will on any subject, being responsible for all abuse of that liberty; and in all suits and prosecutions for libel the truth thereof may be given in evidence, and the jury, under the direction of the court, shall determine the law and the fact.

(I like that one where they get it right and say the people determine LAW and fact)

Section 24. Right to assemble and petition. The people have the right peaceably to assemble for the common good, and to apply to those invested with the powers of government for redress of grievances, by petition or remonstrance.

Section 28. Rights reserved not disparaged. The enumeration in this constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny, impair or disparage others retained by the people.

The constitution is the supreme law of the land.

You never addressed my points I made about it.

I addressed it twice.

Both times I've stated that the constitution doesn't protect against camping OFF YOUR PROPERTY. The constitution doesn't protect you from breaking laws while you protest.

Only in your mind it does... that's why you didn't hear me TWICE tell you that... unless this was yet another YELLA attempt at defending ones position.

You truly are surprising me. I'm beginning to see why you keep the agenda trash around.

According to me you should only be charged with trespassing if you are on private property not public property paid for by the people.

Occupy Wall Street camp

You truly are surprising me. I'm beginning to see why you keep the agenda trash around.

I agree with what you call "the agenda trash" sometimes. Yes that is true.

Occupy Wall Street camp

Fucking lazy, drug addled, entitled hippie scumbags. Like our agenda trash.

I agree with what you call "the agenda trash" sometimes. Yes that is true.

I figured it was purely for entertainment purposes is why you kept them around.

Did you not know that every state in the union has a first amendment and a fourth.

No, they don't.

But they do have a right to protest.

I can see why your side doesn't want to allow this. You have need for things to be tidy and you don't like seeing unpleasant things.

But that isn't a constitutional right and protesting is. Even if it is ugly or for stupid causes.

No, they don't.

Yes they do. If not prove it.

But they do have a right to protest.

The street in front of your driveway is public property. Can they camp there and shit in the street?

I figured it was purely for entertainment purposes is why you kept them around.

I don't agree with legalized drugs. I don't agree most of the time. But Dexter and company are not wrong all of the time.

This has been an interesting conversation.

I also think that you and Dexter agree more then you think you do.

Yes they do.

No, they don't.

The street in front of your driveway is public property. Can they camp there and shit in the street?

I wouldn't like it. But they can protest in front of my house. But shitting wouldn't be allowed.

No, they don't.

You can repeat yourself all you want to. But you can't show a single example.

To: GrandIsland I figured it was purely for entertainment purposes is why you kept them around. I don't agree with legalized drugs. I don't agree most of the time. But Dexter and company are not wrong all of the time.

This has been an interesting conversation.

I also think that you and Dexter agree more then you think you do.

I agree... but his hate for LE in general leaves me with the mindset that if I had a legal reason to kill him, I'd do it with a smile.

That will never change.

But shitting wouldn't be allowed.

lol

I wouldn't like it. But they can protest in front of my house.

Not house. In the street, blocking your driveway access.

But shitting wouldn't be allowed.

Why not? Campers shit in the woods. Occupy Wall Street protesters shit on the lawn of Los Angeles City Hall for weeks on end while they were camping out there.

That is how I see it.

I have a soft spot for the little guy.

But you can't show a single example.

You just did. Colorado has no First Amendment.

I wouldn't like it. But they can protest in front of my house. Not house. In the street, blocking your driveway access.

But shitting wouldn't be allowed. Why not? Campers shit in the woods. Occupy Wall Street protesters shit on the lawn of Los Angeles City Hall for weeks on end while they were camping out there.

I'm just being honest with you. I have no problem with them protesting. Not blocking my driveway, that is different.

I've never said they can shit in public sidewalks etc. Arrest them if the do that. I just don't have a problem with people protesting. Even if I disagree with them. They will go away eventually.

That is one of the things that makes our country great. Being able to protest the government and not worried you will end up abused, in jail or dead.

Fucking lazy, drug addled, entitled hippie scumbags.

I had the misfortune of having an assignment downtown for a week while OWK was there. You could smell the stench from three blocks away. They were provided with chemical toilets at public expense, but they were too sorry to walk a few yards to use them.

You just did. Colorado has no First Amendment.

Actually they do. I already posted it. It might not be called the first amendment. But its wording has the same affect but even stronger.

Look here is my bottom line. There were 3 people there protesting. They weren't harming anyone. Who gives a shit if they sit there in the cold.

Generally, I'd agree. If there wasn't a complaint by the public, I'd patrol by (as long as they weren't being loud, messy and disorderly, and I'd leave them alone. The problem with most of these YELLA articles is this, they don't print the other side. We don't know if there was multiple public complaints filed... Hell, for all we know, the police responded to a domestic in a tent or a drunk and disorderly protester with a passing motorist... we simply don't know the underlying circumstances that caused these officers to enforce written law.

Not blocking my driveway, that is different.

They were blocking the sidewalk.

If they had been standing there with protest signs, there would have been no problem.

It doesn't even matter what any of us think. None of has any say or influence in the situation.

They were blocking the sidewalk.

If they had been standing there with protest signs, there would have been no problem.

They have to have a sign to protest? Why not just a sit in like the blacks used to do or words? Or their mere presence?

It doesn't even matter what any of us think. None of has any say or influence in the situation

That is very true. I did enjoy the exchange of opinions.

That is one of the things that makes our country great. Being able to protest the government and not worried you will end up abused, in jail or dead.

Tell that to Bundy. I am confident he will enjoy your sudden empathy.

But its wording has the same affect but even stronger.

Weaker, actually.

"...every person shall be free to speak, write or publish whatever he will on any subject, being responsible for all abuse of that liberty...

But you can't show a single example. You just did. Colorado has no First Amendment.

Here it is again so you don't have to hunt it above.

Section 10. Freedom of speech and press. No law shall be passed impairing the freedom of speech; every person shall be free to speak, write or publish whatever he will on any subject, being responsible for all abuse of that liberty; and in all suits and prosecutions for libel the truth thereof may be given in evidence, and the jury, under the direction of the court, shall determine the law and the fact.

Weaker, actually.

Perhaps in some respects.

But stronger in other aspects.

Like putting in no law shall be made...

Still pretty much the same just like every other state.

Tell that to Bundy. I am confident he will enjoy your sudden empathy.

I'm not sure I'm on his side or against him.

Probably for him.

They have to have a sign to protest?

Well, they could try communicating their message telepathically.

Why not just a sit in like the blacks used to do or words?

[I am] Probably for him.

Sumtymes, you actually profess a great personal perspective that I agree with.

What does the Bible say about those violate the city's urban camping ban and camp out in front of city hall?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A20-22&version=KJV