"Tyler Truitt is a veteran who owns two acres of land in Madison County" Alabama.

True. He purchased two acres of land. But then he parked his mobile home on it.

Oops. He was told that trailers are not allowed in the city limits unless they are located in a trailer park. The Zoning Administration informed Mr. Truitt that he could apply to the Board of Zoning adjustment for a possible variance. He refused.

He has no sanitation system. His neighbor complained. His trailer is now condemned property and posted as "Unsafe".

He purchased two acres of land. But then he parked his mobile home on it.

It's his land. Why is it that you always come down on the side of petty bureaucratic functionaries?

He was told that trailers are not allowed in the city limits unless they are located in a trailer park.

Do you not see the absurdity in that regulation?

His trailer is now condemned property and posted as "Unsafe".

It was deemed "unsafe" because they didn't like the fact that he is self reliant and doesn't need or want to be hooked up to their system.

Pretty ironic that he served in the military to protect our rights, then comes home to find out you have no "rights" unless you ask permission from the government.

What exactly is it about the concept of freedom that you abhor so much?

"What exactly is it about the concept of freedom that you abhor so much?"

Well, I don't want some beat-up trailer home parked on blocks next door to my $500,000 house with the owners dumping the contents of their toilet into an open pit.

That has an effect on the value of MY property. Or is your attitude, "Tough shit".

How about that? That's my attitude also.

And it does not sound to me like his land was in the city limits.

Pay close attention that the author only mentioned the “two acres of land” were located “in Madison County, Alabama.”

Why do you think the author. Miss Daisy, did that?

Well, Miss Daisy wanted you to believe this land was located far out in the boondocks away from all the hustle and bustle city life with all the dog gone pesky municipal zoning regulations.

Ah Ha! Guess what …

If you research and read the local news, you find that Tyler Truitt and Soraya Hamar “live in this off-the-grid trailer on Hood Road within the city limits of Huntsville, Alabama.

So, you can agree if you want to with this couple’s right to live there in their trailer….because you don’t live in a half a million dollar home next door to the trailer that Tyler and Soraya moved onto their property.

If you did, maybe you would still say that’s okay….but the residents in the city of Huntsville decided long before Tyler and Soraya bought their property that it was not okay and issued a city ordinance prohibiting it.

Notice one important missing thing missing from the article and probably intentionally omitted? That one important item is where the couple drains the sewage water from the toilet they use in the trailer?

There are places in Madison County, Alabama, where the couple can easily live off grid, just as can be found in Blount County, Alabama.

Like this:

Alden and Mari Brindle are off the grid in Blount County.

No Alabama Power bills, for solar panels electrify the stately home they built from straw bales and stucco.

No water bills, for they drink from a vast system that captures and filters rainwater as it flows from the roof of their barn.

They keep chickens and ducks for eggs, grow corn and potatoes, onions and figs, fruits and berries and vegetables of all description to set a bountiful table. They buy a tank of propane for cooking every few years, but that's about the extent of it.

I let out a snicker when I learned Alden Brindle was a nuclear engineer retired from Alabama Power's mama the Southern Company. I read too much into it.

"Oh," he said. "I was off the grid even when I worked for them."

The Brindles are part of a community that calls itself Common Ground, a group of friends who decided years ago to invest in Blount County land together, to form a sort of co-op for people who wanted to live "gently" on the earth.

Click HERE to read the remainder of this story.

People can find a place to live off-grid if they want to. But they simply cannot expect to establish “squatters right” inside a city limits that has long ago established ordinances for people choosing to reside within that city limits.

Well, I don't want some beat-up trailer home parked on blocks next door to my $500,000 house with the owners dumping the contents of their toilet into an open pit.

I'll be danged....I had not read your post here before I posted a response below.

He purchased two acres of land. But then he parked his mobile home on it.

It's his land.

He was either not smart enough to check the zoning ordinance or he was to stupid and believed he could get away with violating them.

He was told that trailers are not allowed in the city limits unless they are located in a trailer park.

Do you not see the absurdity in that regulation?

Tell me why it’s absurd to have a city zoning ordinance that prohibits living in a trailer next door to someone’s $500,000 home and have no sanitary drain for the sewage.

It was deemed "unsafe" because they didn't like the fact that he is self reliant and doesn't need or want to be hooked up to their system.

How do you get away with living in your outhouse (see pic, above) located on the outskirts in Scottsdale, tater?

Dumping your sewage into an open pit would be a health hazard, and a law against that is logical.

"The purpose behind these requirements is public safety. It is not to generate funds through permits – the cost is only about $11. The permitting process ensures that occupants of a residential dwelling have safe, potable, running water, and electricity, particularly in the wintertime. These are public safety regulations, regardless of how perceived by some members of the public. The City has posted the property as "Unsafe" for this reason. The absence of a connection to a sanitary sewer system (whether a septic system or sanitary sewer outfall line connected, ultimately, to a treatment facility, is not only a health and safety issue for the occupants, it's a health and safety issue for others who may live nearby." -Letter from Huntsville mayor on Tyler Truitt

Well, I don't want some beat-up trailer home parked on blocks next door to my $500,000 house

Are you communist? Don't you support private property? You don't you support renting land only.

Ok here it is. Some truth for you to swallow. It is none of your fucking business what your neighbor does on their land. It is theirs not yours.

A chemical toilet works just fine

Which brand was he using?

"Are you communist? Don't you support private property? You don't you support renting land only."

I support law and order. Don't you?

And, according to the law, trailers are only permitted in a trailer park.

"A chemical toilet works just fine, or rent a sani-kan."

Why not simply move outside city limits where he can simply take a shit in his front yard?

I'm going to take my morning shit in the back yard.

I'm going to take my morning shit in the back yard.s

And you have tried to chastize me to clean up the language on this forum?

Hypocrite!

"A law against having a different looking and quality of abode, is against all that America stands for."

Zoning was ruled constitutional 100 years ago.

Would it be OK with you if I set up a pig farm next door to your house? A manufacturing plant? A strip club? Casino? Amusement park?

Hey, it's my land.

Would it be OK with you if I set up a pig farm next door to your house? A manufacturing plant? A strip club? Casino? Amusement park?

And you have tried to chastize me to clean up the language on this forum?

Your selective faux outrage should have been directed at paulsen.

Hypocrite!

Project much?

It is theirs not yours.

How do you know?

Oh - so you really believe that if the "authorities" don't nip this in the bud, there will be a plethora of pig farms, manufacturing plants, strip club, casinos and amusement parks being built on this guy's two acres of land??

Don't forget his untreated sewage.

Is it when you’re asked to round up millions of Hispanic people for deportation? Or when you are ordered to force all Muslims into a concentration camp?

Okay, whatever sympathy I might have had for the guy was lost right here. He sounds like just another leftard whining about Mrs. Bill Clinton losing.

All the asshole had to do was apply for a variance, and he probably would have gotten it.

It is theirs not yours. How do you know?

Two reasons.

1. I said so.

2. I'm smarter than you are.

Besides it is the concept of private property. If someone owns something they get to control it.

You may take the communist approach and not allow private property or you may limit the use of property. Again that is if you have communist leanings.

So are you a communist or do you support true private property rights?

Hint if you are for the assholes who want to tell someone else what to do on their land. Then you are the commie.

If you are with the man with the trailer who owns the land and wants to be free. Then you are a red blooded real American.

So again are you a commie or an American?

Don't forget his untreated sewage.

If it is just him, and not a whole community of idiots that he invites in, I would say his untreated sewage is a lot less than the the rabbits, squirrels raccoons, opossums, and other critters that occupy the area anyway.

Zoning was ruled constitutional 100 years ago.

So was Obamacare.

You support Obamacare.

Would it be OK with you if I set up a pig farm next door to your house? A manufacturing plant? A strip club? Casino? Amusement park?

Hey, it's my land.

That would be fine. It is your land.

I support law and order. Don't you?

If it is just.

Abortion is law and order.

You better support it. Or you are a hypocrite.

Besides it is the concept of private property. If someone owns something they get to control it.

So if there is a river flowing through my property, I have the rights to dam it up to prevent you from having water anymore?

Seems like I've seen a lot of Western shows and movies based on this concept.

So if there is a river flowing through my property, I have the rights to dam it up to prevent you from having water anymore?

No one owns the rivers or beaches.

Did you not know that?

The land is owned around the river but not the river itself.

So if someone wants to build a wall on their land they should be able to do that. But not the river itself. They don't own it.

I'm in the minority on this. I know the reasons that others give for zoning. But I'm a purist. If you own it it is yours. If you believe in leases with restricted rights. That is ok, just don't pretend you own it.

Okay, whatever sympathy I might have had for the guy was lost right here. He sounds like just another leftard whining about Mrs. Bill Clinton losing.

All the asshole had to do was apply for a variance, and he probably would have gotten it.

The mayor told him to apply for a variance and he said he would rather go to court.

Which shows me he is one of those "I'lll do it my way and no one can tell me any different" libertarian assholes.

So he went to court, and guess what...HE LOST!

He also proclaimed tht the "ordance was unconstitutional."

He does sould lika a "Deckard"....doesn't he?

If someone owns something they get to control it.

Is the land subject to contractual use limitations in the form of covenants, conditions and restricted recorded by an earlier owner or owners?

Is there a homeowners association with proprietary rights in the property?

Is the land subject to a mortgage requiring compliance with local laws?

Property ownership is a bundle of rights. Rarely is it absolute.

You don't appear to know very much about the nature of real property at all.

The land is owned around the river but not the river itself.

So much for water rights.

If what you do on your property affects my standard of living on my property, then no, I don't agree you have the right to do it.

his untreated sewage is a lot less than the the rabbits, squirrels raccoons, opossums, and other critters that occupy the area anyway.

He has lots of help.

Which shows me he is one of those "I'lll do it my way and no one can tell me any different" libertarian assholes.

Kind of sounds like the software writer for this site.

Which shows me he is one of those "I'lll do it my way and no one can tell me any different" libertarian assholes.

Kind of sounds like the software writer for this site.

Yep, it sure does ...

They are communist in nature.

Oh I understand it quite well. It is just not true ownership. So all you have to do is quit saying you support the concept of PRIVATE property. Or glorified leases.

I don't care which you support.

I know things aren't changing, and i'm ok with it.

So much for water rights.

You don't believe in "rights". You convert them to privileges.

I disagree with you that a person should be able to damn the river. But you are free to think that way. I don't care.

There is an old saying about liberties and ownership. That is "your rights end where my nose begins."

If what you do on your property affects my standard of living on my property, then no, I don't agree you have the right to do it.

How did the guy in the trailer affect anyone around him?

Home owners associations should all be blown up.

So much for contractual rights.

You don't believe in "rights".

You don't believe in "rights".

Once you sell it it isn't yours anymore.

Not so much for contractual rights.

So much for still having a say in property that you sold, and no longer own.

How did the guy in the trailer affect anyone around him?

Really, I don't know that he did and think he probably did not.

He just wanted to act like a dick and then got treated like a dick.

Geez, the guy is spouting Clinton campaign talking points.

You probably don't believe you have a right to drive either. You and your type like converting rights into privileges so that you can control people and make them submit to the way you want things. The way the group wants it. Group think over the individual. Communist ideology. Screw that.

If you want to control the property then don'g sell it.

You really hate property rights and contracts. Methinks you're the commie.

Sure I do.

Nope. You just said you want to stop people from selling interests in their property.

Really, I don't know that he did and think he probably did not.

He just wanted to act like a dick and then got treated like a dick.

Geez, the guy is spouting Clinton campaign talking points.

No he just had a little money. Not enough to buy a 500 thousand dollar house like Mr. White. So he bought some land and put a trailer on it. So that he has a place to live. So that he has shelter. So that he can work and provide for himself. On this thread it was even admitted he only needed a variance. So he can have it there anyway. The assholes with to much time on their hands just want him to live by their standards. Group think communist ideology.

The dicks were the people harassing him and they should be treated as such.

Even Hillary supporters have a rights. Why would you even bring that up unless you made up your mind on this based on who he voted for.

Sure I do. Nope. You just said you want to stop people from selling interests in their property.

No one owns the river. Are you stupid?

You really hate property rights and contracts. Methinks you're the commie.

You're just demonstrating your stupidity. That is ok with me.

Home owners associations should all be blown up.

So much for contractual rights.

I've lived in these communities a couple of times. The problem isn't so much with the contract, but with the 80 year old retirees with nothing better to do than report some inconsequential violation to the management to make themselves feel important.

No one owns the river.

Read and learn.

If you fuck with people, they are going to to fuck with you back.

IMO, the guy got what he wanted.

All he had to was apply for a variance. It would have been over.

If you fuck with people, they are going to to fuck with you back.

IMO, the guy got what he wanted.

Sounds like he needs to pay some assholes back. According to your thinking.

If the river runs through your land you have a right to use the water. Of course.

Do you have a right to stop me from walking down the river and fishing in the water surrounded by your land. No you don't have that right because no one owns the river. Hopefully that clears up your misunderstanding.

If you fuck with people, they are going to to fuck with you back.

So you admit they were just fucking with him. Shame on them.

All he had to was apply for a variance.

For the trailer. Him and his large girlfriend crapping in buckets on land adjacent to a public park would be more problematic.

Water rights or river ownership. What are we talking about.

Water rights are owned. They are property.

Do you know anything at all about property rights?

The problem isn't so much with the contract, but with the 80 year old retirees with nothing better to do than report some inconsequential violation to the management to make themselves feel important.

Yep. Private property restrictions frequently wind up being more onerous than government zoning.

Water rights are owned. They are property.

Dumb ass I said no one owns the river. I didn't say no one has rights to the river. No one owns it. I can walk down, kayak, canoe and fish in any river.

Comprende dumb ass?

We will all behave in human ways.

IMO, this could have very easily been avoided by the trailer dude.

HE didn't want that. He wanted a confrontation. So he got what he wanted.

Dumb ass I said no one owns the river. I didn't say no one has rights to the river.

Ownership rights to the river.

Usage rights, access rights, fishing rights, water rights...

Basically, you want to ban the ownership of all private property rights to rivers, in favor of communal ownership. Have you ever heard of The Tragedy of the Commons?

one of those "I'lll do it my way and no one can tell me any different" libertarian assholes.

Kind of sounds like the software writer for this site.

Yep, it sure does ...

BbbbWwwwAaaaaaa !!

A couple of butthurt thugs! Ha HA

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Elderly Disabled Veteran Rotting in Solitary for Digging Ponds on His Own Property

Every town in the U.S. probably has a Joe Robertson; someone who feels like their property is theirs to do with what they wish. But those folks often meet a cruel fate when the government, especially the federal government, gets involved. The Justice Department filed a criminal case against Robertson, and the senior citizen was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison for damaging wetlands and waters belonging to the United States.

After the conviction, an independent environmental consulting firm, Kagel Environmental, LLC, Nationwide Wetlands, Waters & Wildlife Consulting, located in Rigby, Idaho 83442, conducted a pro bono evaluation of the property the federal government claimed had led to harmful pollution of “wetlands” in violation of the Clean Water Act.

Robertson’s family gave the Free Thought Project a copy of this report. The firm concluded that the area where Robertson built his ponds could not be considered “wetlands,” nor did they find a single sliver of evidence that Robertson caused pollution.

The EPA lied to throw an innocent man in prison.

KE writes, “According to the USGS topo map (Mt. Thompson Quadrangle) the unnamed tributary to Cataract Creek is an intermittent headwater drainage channel. According to the NRCS Soil Survey, none of the ponds are underlain by hydric (wetland) soils, and according to the USFWS NWI maps, none of the ponds are located within federally mapped wetlands.”

(Rand) Paul wrote, in his book titled, Government Bullies, “The Clean Water Act never even mentioned the term ‘wetlands’ while passing through Congress for approval. The unelected bureaucracy (EPA) simply created the concept and defines it in distinct terminology dependent upon whatever scenario they are currently considering. ‘Wetlands’ quite literally can mean whatever the EPA wants it to mean.

The definition of wetlands has become so absurd and transparent that the Army Corps of Engineers developed the ‘migratory bird theory.’ This theory states that if your land is a stopping point for any migratory bird that has traveled between real navigable waters, then your land is now de facto connected to the interstate navigable streams. I’m not kidding.

This theory is irrational & completely illogical. How did it ever become enforceable law? It happened because Congress has abdicated its duty in this area. Citizens often run afoul of these rules inadvertently due to the constant evolution of complex and unexplained regulations.”

Not at all.

I'm just stating a fact about the "no driver's license guy" who is living in exile in Ecuador.

Are you butthurt that Ron Paul is some old geezer wearing Depends shilling survival gear on talk radio?

Every town in the U.S. probably has a Joe Robertson; someone who feels like their property is theirs to do with what they wish.

"Robertson had built several structures on federal land..."

That one fell apart fast.

Paul Derangement Syndrome (PDS) is a mental condition that, though it was first detected during the 2008 Republican presidential primaries, has only now been identified for the dangerous disorder that it is. Also known as “Paulophobia,” those suffering from it find themselves tortured by their fear of Texas Congressman and three time presidential candidate Ron Paul.

God created it for everyone.

Ron Paul Derangement Syndrome

Another generation of Ron Paul libertarians!

I want everyone to have access to the water. To the beaches, the rivers and lakes.

Hard to realize that admirable goal if all of the property adjoining a lake isn't subject to easements.

How can the developer of lakefront property withhold easement rights if he's subject to a "If you want to control the property then don't sell it" rule?

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Wasted effort.

He has me on bozo ....

I like it that way.

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America - Land of the FREE!

Elderly Disabled Veteran Rotting in Solitary for Digging Ponds on His Own Property.

Boo hoo …

America is absolutely the “land of the free” where Joe Robertson has the “freedom of choice.”

And the “freedom of choice” Joe has, does not give Joe the right to choose when to obey the law and when not to….without legal consequences.

So Joe chose not to obey the EPA rules, and since EPA rules have the force and effect of law, good old Joe made the choice to sit in “solitary.”

God Bless America – “Land of the FREE!”

Another generation of Ron Paul libertarians!

Wanting to grow up fast, so they can take over the don quixote quest for a libertarian who can get a vote.

TRUMP a president while a paul is not

So Joe chose not to obey the EPA rules, and since EPA rules have the force and effect of law, good old Joe made the choice to sit in “solitary.”

The EPA LIED!

Or did you conveniently ignore that fact?

Oh, that's right - in Gatlin Bizarro World, the government doesn't lie.

Robertson dug some holes on HIS OWN PROPERTY, and was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison for damaging wetlands

“According to the USGS topo map (Mt. Thompson Quadrangle) the unnamed tributary to Cataract Creek is an intermittent headwater drainage channel. According to the NRCS Soil Survey, none of the ponds are underlain by hydric (wetland) soils, and according to the USFWS NWI maps, none of the ponds are located within federally mapped wetlands.”

The EPA LIED!

Or did you conveniently ignore that fact?

The Defense had a opportunity to prove that to the jury….IT DID NOT.

Did you conveniently ignore that fact?

Citizens often run afoul of these [wetland] rules inadvertently due to the constant evolution of complex and unexplained regulations.”

Conversely, “citizens often intentionally choose to ignore these wetland rules” and when they do….they suffer the consequences as set forth under the law.

Robertson dug some holes on HIS OWN PROPERTY...

That is a FLAT OUT LIE...there were two ponds, one was on Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest land.

He knew he was violating the conditions of his probation….yet, he made the choice to do that.

A jury of his peers listened to all the evidence and then convicted him….he was sentenced to serve time.

That is the way the system works.

Basin Man Convicted of Clean Water Act Violations and Destruction of US Property

MISSOULA – Following a four day federal trial, a Montana jury found Joseph David Robertson, 77, guilty on two counts of unauthorized discharge of pollutants into waters of the United States and one count of injury or depredation of United States property.

Robertson was indicted by a grand jury in May of 2015 as a result of illegal ponds he built on two parcels of land near Basin, Montana, one on Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest land and the other on adjacent private property. The ponds resulted in the discharge of dredged and fill material into a tributary stream and adjacent wetlands and caused widespread damage to both properties.

At trial, the government introduced evidence that in October of 2013, a United States Forest Service (USFS) Special Agent visited the National Forest property to determine whether Robertson had complied with previously issued conditions of probation for misdemeanor violations of USFS regulations. The Agent testified at trial that during the site visit, she observed multiple ponds dug into an existing stream on both USFS and adjacent private property.

During a subsequent site visit in November of 2013, Robertson admitted to Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and USFS Criminal Special Agents that he had performed the work on the National Forest property using an excavator. State and federal officials visited the site again in May of 2014, and observed that Robertson had done additional work. The site was now approximately 1.2 acres in size, and extended beyond the National Forest property to a private property that he did not own. The work consisted of nine ponds of varying sizes, including some as large as approximately 4900 square feet that were placed directly in the stream and wetlands area. Unconsolidated dredged material from the ponds had been used to create the berms and had been placed in and around the stream and wetlands. Robertson admitted that he had completed the additional work. Additional investigation revealed that Robertson continued to construct ponds on the USFS property after May of 2014, despite being told repeatedly that he had no legal right to do so.

One of the central legal issues at trial was whether the waters polluted by Robertson were “waters of the United States” for purposes of the Clean Water Act. The United States introduced evidence and expert testimony from the Army Corps of Engineers and the EPA that the stream and wetlands had a significant nexus to traditional navigable waters, and therefore were “waters of the United States.” Fishery biologists from the Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks (FWP) and the USFS testified that this headwater and wetland complex provided critical support to trout in downstream rivers and fisheries, including the Boulder and Jefferson Rivers.

“This verdict sends a message that the United States will not stand by and allow streams and wetlands of the United States to be polluted, or National Forest lands to be injured,” said United States Attorney for the District of Montana Mike Cotter. “Clean and healthy waterways are a critical resource for all forms of life and are a Montana value. It is imperative that we protect this increasingly scarce resource. The collaborative efforts of multiple state and federal agencies in cases like this help ensure that individuals who seek to degrade it will be held accountable.”

“Rivers, streams and wetlands provide essential habitat for fish and wildlife which must be protected, and EPA and its law enforcement partners are committed to protecting these invaluable natural assets as well as the communities around them,” said Jeffrey Martinez, Special Agent in Charge of EPA’s criminal enforcement program in Montana. “The defendant’s illegal activity took place not only on public land but also on private property he didn’t own. Today’s guilty verdict demonstrates that polluters will be held accountable for their actions."

The case was prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney Bryan Whittaker and Special Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Nelson from the United States Environmental Protection Agency. This case was investigated by multiple state and federal agencies including the United States Forest Service, the Environmental Protection Agency Criminal Investigation Division, the Army Corps of Engineers, and the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office. Other agencies that assisted the investigation included Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks and the Jefferson Valley Conservation District.

MELISSA HORNBEIN, Public Information Officer, (406) 457-5277
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mt/pr/basin-man-convicted-clean-water-act- violations-and-destruction-us-property

Robertson dug some holes on HIS OWN PROPERTY,

You never seem to know what you are talking about….and you never bother to research further after reading some yellow journalism article.

You to wise up….it was NOT HIS OWN PROPERTY.

“The defendant’s illegal activity took place not only on public land but also on private property he didn’t own.”
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mt/pr/basin-man-convicted-clean-water-act- violations-and-destruction-us-property

And he didn't even own the land. He was on federal property.

Yes, it was on federal property and also on private property that he did not own.

Such a dumb ass ...

Kaluza and Vidrine previously faced manslaughter charges, but those were dropped. Former BP Vice President David Rainey was acquitted by a jury last June of charges he lied to federal agents about how much oil was spilled. The fourth defendant, engineer Kurt Mix, was sentenced to six months of probation last November after pleading guilty to damaging a computer, a misdemeanor.”

The result: no one spent one day in prison. Not one person, involved with history’s largest oil spill, spent one day behind bars as a convict. But let a squatting gold miner dig a few ponds on what he considered to be his own property, and admittedly a little sliver of federal land, and the government showed no mercy. And he isn’t fairing well in prison, reportedly. His wife told reporters he’s been kept in solitary confinement, has suffered fainting spells, and is in overall poor health.

Ironically, the independent evaluation also found that Robertson may have actually done the federal government a favor by creating the ponds. They write: “KE determined that the creation of Ponds #1, #2, and #3, which we understand are located on USFS lands, have actually enhanced the aquatic resources relative to the intermittent channel and adjacent wetlands.”

From the KE report, one could conclude Robertson was within his rights to construct the ponds, they weren’t located in a “wetland”, and while he may have erred in building ponds on federal property, the environment is now better off as a result.

From the KE report ...

Fuck the KE report, you stupid POS….GIVE IT UP.

He was on FEDERAL PROPERTY and private property THAT WAS NOT HIS OWN.

The Grand Jury heard the case, and move forward with charges.

A jury of his peers heard ALL the evidence and convicted him.

END OF THE DAMNED STORY …

Fuck the KE report, you stupid POS

The KE report debunks the claims made by the EPA.

You really need to calm down princess.

Fuck the KE report, you stupid POS

The KE report debunks the claims made by the EPA.

You really need to calm down princess.

Doesn't matter much since the EPA won their case in front of a jury....does it"

I am calm...it is still the: END OF THE DAMNED STORY …

Doesn't matter much since the EPA won their case in front of a jury.

By lying.

That's the problem with government worshiping sheep like you - no matter what they do, your god the State is never wrong.

By lying.

The jury didn't think so....and that was what mattered.

“This verdict sends a message that the United States will not stand by and allow streams and wetlands of the United States to be polluted, or National Forest lands to be injured,” said United States Attorney for the District of Montana Mike Cotter. “Clean and healthy waterways are a critical resource for all forms of life and are a Montana value. It is imperative that we protect this increasingly scarce resource. The collaborative efforts of multiple state and federal agencies in cases like this help ensure that individuals who seek to degrade it will be held accountable.”

There is the MESSAGE....I repeated it since you have trouble getting it.

“This verdict sends a message that the United States will not stand by and allow streams and wetlands of the United States to be polluted, or National Forest lands to be injured,”

Furthermore, the report added, “We understand that the pond excavation was accomplished using a Case 780 trackhoe with a 36-inch wide bucket and/or a 580 Case backhoe with a 24-inch wide bucket.

Any dredged material dripping from the bucket back into the water or wetland is considered an incidental fallback and therefore not subject to any requirement for a Section 404 permit (Tulloch Rule).”

The firm found that Robertson did not need the federal permit required for the ponds’ construction because his equipment was not considered heavy-equipment and the dredged drippings would be inconsequential.

The jury didn't think so...

Unfortunately, the jury didn't hear all of the facts.

Even afterwards when it was found that no crime had been committed, Robertson was held in solitary confinement.

Furthermore, the report added,

Hey, sport, GIVE IT UP.

The damned report is merely a personal opinion and it didn’t matter.

What mattered was what the jury heard….and the jury FOUND HIM GUITLY as charged.

He is now serving time….you can keep digging (pun intended) as long as you want to and nothing will change.

He acted stupidly, ignored warnings and violated probation numerous times….he sits in PRISON, by personal choice and through the fault of no one else.

The jury didn't think so...

Unfortunately, the jury didn't hear all of the facts.

Then that is what he has a lawyer for....to appeal the case.

Has he?

Robertson was held in solitary confinement.

So, tell us what he did wrong to land in solitary confinement.

He wasn't sentenced to "solitary confinement"....so he had to do something wrong to get there ...

Even afterwards when it was found that no crime had been committed,

If no crime was committed, then he is not in prison....right?

Wait, you said he is …

How can this be?

A jury of his peers heard ALL the evidence and convicted him.

END OF THE DAMNED STORY …

That constitution hating hypocrite (Decktard), hates the due process system our forefathers set up for us.

Unfortunately, the jury didn't hear all of the facts.

Then put the bong down and appeal. Until then, he's a GUILTY criminal scumbag. You wouldn't have such a hard time defending the SHIT you post if you'd stop posting YELLA garbage.

Robertson was held in solitary confinement.

Do you know why Joe is in solitary confinement? No? Then let me tell you. Joe sits in solitary confinement because he got into an altercation with his counselor and she had him assigned to the hole. He was “fighting” with her because she would not have all his mail marked “legal” so it would not be searched outside of his presence. She is the advocate for him and the last person he wants to fight with. The old codger just doesn’t know when to give up ….

... YELLA garbage.

He reads the crap and believes every word of it.

So pathetic ...

Robertson was held in solitary confinement.

He was sent to Solitary Confinement for 3-4 weeks.

He was there for a week when he was released because it was Veterans Day.

If no crime was committed, then he is not in prison....right?

Innocent people are imprisoned all the time you braying jackass.

Innocent people are imprisoned all the time you braying jackass.

Joe was not innocent....he ADMITTED to his crime.

He said he dug the ponds on government land and on privatge land that he did not own.

During a subsequent site visit in November of 2013, Robertson admitted to Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and USFS Criminal Special Agents that he had performed the work on the National Forest property using an excavator.

Innocent people are imprisoned all the time you braying jackass.

It's called life. It's not always fair, fun or safe.

MILLIONS of criminal assholes are found NOT GUILTY, yearly, because of the built in fail-safes of our court system. Miranda, rules of evidence... and so on. The system FAVORS the criminal. So, if some people (and it isn't nearly as many as your want to libtardly fear monger) fall through the cracks, that's LIFE. No system is perfect and 100% foolproof... and the American justice system is still way better than any other country.

If you're wrongly convicted, appeal... stfu.

Miranda, rules of evidence...

Yes, by all means - let's do away with things like rules of evidence, probable cause and constitutional rights and let cops make their own rules.

That would make your pig brethren a lot happier, wouldn't it?

Yes, by all means - let's do away with things like rules of evidence,

Nobody ever suggested that, dumb shit. SPIN your YELLA argument elsewhere. I suggest you reread my original post.

MILLIONS of criminal assholes are found NOT GUILTY, yearly, because of the built in fail-safes of our court system. Miranda, rules of evidence... and so on.

It certainly appears that you are suggesting that we do away with constitutional protections for anyone charged with a crime simply because cops fuck up and don't follow the rules.

Attaboy!

It certainly appears that you are suggesting

That's because you don't know how to comprehend when you read.

lol

Court Officials Who Jailed a Veteran for Living Off-Grid …

A picture of Truitt is placed under a caption that reads: ”MAN BANNED FROM HIS OWN LAND FOR LIVING OFF-GRID.” Again, that is an outright lie. Truitt was prohibited from occupying his trailer home because of deplorable “unsanitary conditions” following a health department inspection.

The whole article then turns into a “fluff piece” omitting facts.

Living off-the grid is permitted within the city Huntsville. There are ways Truitt could have done it. Truitt however took the stand that he would not comply with an ordinance that is unconstitutional to begin with….and chose to do it his way. For Truitt to live in his off-grid in his trailer, he needed first to apply for a variant in the zoning law to allow his trailer to be parked in the space not zoned for trailers. The next process was a simple one. If he wanted to “go green” by living off-grid, he should have gone to the Community Development Office to check out the building code for off-grid living….it is absolutely permitted within the city limits of Huntsville. Truitt refused to do that since he said he will not comply with an ordinance(s) that is unconstitutional to begin with. He said his trailer is no danger to anyone else and that the building codes he's accused of violating are unjust.

The idea of living “off the grid” can often be a source of controversy. Zoning and land use laws sometimes forbid individuals from using their own property as they see fit. On one hand, it’s said that these laws are necessary to ensure uniform property upkeep, and to keep neighborhoods clean, safe and prevent public health hazards.

There was a public park across the road from Truitt’s property where he improperly disposed on the composted contents of his toiler and there was also a neighbor next door.

Tyler set up solar panels for electricity, and began collecting and filtering rainwater for household use. He even composted his own waste. His electrical and water system were not in compliance with the safety codes and the “waste he was composting” included the waste from his own toilet. The city said that “Tyler’s solar, water, and composting system violate building and health ordinances.”

The Mayor of Huntsville’s position:

There is nothing illegal about living off the grid, provided interested citizens go through proper channels. We encourage green environmental living, and our departments stand ready and willing to guide citizens through the appropriate permitting process. The City has worked with Mr. Truitt on his desire for an alternative living environment and explained how to work through the permitting process to bring his property up to code.

The first citation for Truitt was on March 27, 2015 for failing to meet zoning requirements – trailers are not allowed in the city limits unless they are located in a trailer park. Zoning Administration informed Truitt that he could apply to the Board of Zoning adjustment for a possible variance. He chose instead to go to municipal court and was found guilty of the violation on May 20, 2015. He appealed and has lost in court.

A second citation was issued May 12, 2015 by our Community Development Department for owning an unsafe structure (multiple code issues regarding safety, sanitation, sewer, utilities - Code #7-357 through 7-388. (https://www.municode.com/library/al/huntsville/codes/code_of_ordinances). The city worked with Truitt for nine months and ultimately issued the two citations when he showed "no willingness to comply with city codes or regulations."

The purpose behind the zoning requirements is public health and safety. It is not to generate funds through permits – the cost is only about $11. The permitting process ensures that occupants of a residential dwelling have safe, potable, running water, and electricity, particularly in the wintertime. These are public safety regulations, regardless of how perceived by one members of the public. The City has posted Truitt’s trailer as "Unsafe" for this reason. The absence of a connection to a sanitary sewer system (whether a septic system or sanitary sewer outfall line connected, ultimately, to a treatment facility, is not only a health and safety issue for the occupants, it's a health and safety issue for others who may live nearby. There are both benefits to be obtained, and compromises to be made, when people choose to live in an urban community.

The ordinances are there for a good reason, they are not there just to fight with Truitt. There have been many problems in the past with landlords who have taken advantage of poor tenants by refusing to ensure the availability of such basic utility services - people who have lived in houses or apartments with no running water, no heat, no electricity, no proper connection to sanitary sewer facilities. The regulatory tool to force these landlords to bring their properties up to code so that their tenants can be assured of having the basic services required for survival - services most of us all take for granted.

In summation, Truitt was ordered to leave and given until June 1 to bring the trailer up to code where he still could have complete off-grid living….only through healthy and safe methods. Truitt refused to do that and stated he does not intend to….he considers staying put an act of "civil disobedience" while he fights the city's claims.

The building code violations in Truitt's case would not be a problem in rural Madison County. But in the city of Huntsville….it just doesn't fly.

I honor Truitt’s military service and his desire to be self-sufficient. But he chose, for whatever unknown reason, to select the wrong place and the wrong way to accomplish that when it would have been best had he looked for un-zoned land in the county where he could live off-grid hassle-free….exactly the way he wants to do within the city limits of Huntsville, and cannot.

In summation

Go fly a kite, tater.

There was a public park across the road from Truitt’s property where he improperly disposed on the composted contents of his toiler and there was also a neighbor next door.

You can't dump your accumulated shit and piss in the public park across the street? Tyranny!

ISIS Sanctuary Tater