As research and anecdotal evidence increasingly indicate cannabis has medical benefits, a new series of videos from a man suffering from Parkinsons disease highlights just how vital the plant can be.
Larry Smith, a former police officer, began to suffer from the debilitating neurological disease twenty years ago. In 2011, filmmakers began documenting his experience for the upcoming film, Ride with Larry. The documentary and accompanying awareness campaign seeks to enlighten audiences to the human cost of Parkinsons disease while providing insights into the tangible benefits of an active lifestyle, particularly through recumbent cycling, according to the films Facebook page.
More recently, Larry began to experiment with medical marijuana to treat his worsening symptoms. In a video uploaded to Ride with Larrys Facebook page last week, he arrives in San Diego, California, to obtain a license.
My symptoms are a great deal more obvious than ever before, and the pain is a little sharper, Larry says with some difficulty speaking.
Larrys at the point where hes having so much trouble walking, now he takes twenty pills a day, his wife Elizabeth explains, noting that increasing the dose could increase the side effects.
While in San Diego, Larry and his wife visit a medical marijuana doctor to obtain a prescription.
These are not the days of Reefer Madness, Larry observes in the video, referencing a 1936 propaganda film meant to demonize cannabis use. Yet I and millions of other people cant have it without facing serious jail time. Larry currently lives in South Dakota, which does not have a medical marijuana program.
In Part 2 of the series, Larry uses his prescription to purchase $40 worth of the plant at a dispensary in an attempt to ease his pain and rigid joints. Elizabeth tells the budtender at the dispensary that the side effects of Larrys pills have actually contributed to his dyskinesia. Further, she also discloses that every time she fills a prescription for him, it costs about $3,000, pointing out the stark difference in cost between pharmaceuticals and cannabis.
Though in Part 2, Larry buys actual buds, in Part 3 of 3, he meets with another man suffering from Parkinsons disease who gives him cannabis oil to place under his tongue. His relief is almost instantaneous.
According to the videos description:
With a few drops of cannabis oil under his tongue, Larrys severe dyskinesia (uncontrolled movements), loss of voice, and tremors are calmed within in minutes! We didnt even edit the footage because the results were so startling.
Sure enough, the footage shows Larry placing the drops under his tongue before lying down. After just a few minutes, he sits up and it becomes apparent his uncontrolled movements have largely ceased.
His friend says, I think youve calmed down. Larry simply says, So quickly, as a smile comes over his face.
My voice is coming back, he also observes. In a voiceover, Elizabeth notes how his hands became rock steady after he tried the treatment.
It works most of the time, his friend observes after he sits up. Larry imitates the sound of a heavenly choir to demonstrate his immense relief.
Did you guys eat lunch? he asks the others in the room. You hungry now? his friend with Parkinsons inquires. Funny, I am, he replies.
As the video ends, Larry observes that A person like me could really use marijuana. And it makes me pretty angry that I cant get it in my home state.
At least one academic expert shares this frustration.
As Dr. Daniele Piomelli, a professor of Pharmacology at UC Irvines medical school, says in Part 3 of Larrys series:
The number one frustration that I have is knowing that there is this untapped potential that comes from what marijuana is teaching us to generate new medicines, and being stuck because of financial issues or political issues. That is extremely frustrating.
Dr. Piomelli, who runs a lab at the university, discussed recent research on cannabis effect on Parkinsons disease:
We know from animal experiments that the endogenous cannabinoid system is very important [in] regulating motor activity, the very type of activity that is impaired in Parkinsons disease. From animal experiments, we also know that boosting certain branches of the endocannabinoid system is helpful in relieving symptoms of Parkinsons. Finally, from anecdotal information, we know that certain patients who smoke marijuana experience relief [from] their symptoms.
Further, a 2014 study published in Clinical Neuropharmacology, researchers concluded there was significant improvement of sleep and pain scores for patients using cannabis to treat Parkinsons. They noted no significant adverse effects of the drug were observed but cautioned further research was necessary.
A 2014 study published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology explained that cannabidiol, or CBD, a non-psychoactive endocannabinoid, had the possible effect of improving quality of life measures in PD patients with no psychiatric comorbidities. They also advised more research was needed.
Even without the scientific research to back up the plants effectiveness, Larrys experience may provide hope to countless others suffering from debilitating ailments (Part 3 has been viewed over 20 million times as of this articles publication).
Though cannabis is becoming legal in a growing number of states, many people suffering from illnesses are unable to access the treatment. As Elizabeth said in Part 1:
I do not like the idea of breaking federal law. Even though the state law in California is very clear that its permissible, Im still uncomfortable. But, you know, if this is the only thing and as far as I know weve tried everything, and this is the only thing thats left we are going to give it a go and see how it goes.
And as she says in Part 3 after witnessing her husband finally experience relief:
We now know that medical marijuana controls dyskinesia, and yet its not available to us.
Still, as stories like Larrys continue to accumulate and the war on a plant continues to fail, the trend of legalization throughout the United States shows no signs of stopping.
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#1: misterwhite To: Deckard (#0)
-- Dr. Michael S. Okun, National Medical Director, National Parkinson Foundation
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 09:30:51 Reply Private Reply
#2: misterwhite To: Deckard (#0)
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 09:32:22 Reply Private Reply
#3: Deckard To: misterwhite, Gatlin (#2)
You and Gatlin both are too dense to understand that the entire "Fake News" Psy-Op was engineered by the dying MSM and the liberal elite in retaliation for Trump winning the election
Fake news and Russian propaganda have become the great post-election moral panic, a creeping Sharia-style conspiracy theory for shell-shocked liberals. Hoping to punish the dark foreign forces they blame for rigging the election, many of these insiders have latched onto a McCarthyite campaign that calls for government investigations of a wide array of alternative media outlets..
But by all means, keep plugging along with your water-carrying for the liberal press.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 09:39:59 Reply Private Reply
#4: A Pole To: misterwhite (#1)
Yes, $3000 a month for the Big Pharma cannot be replaced.
A Pole posted on 2016-12-03 09:41:07 Reply Private Reply
#5: Deckard To: misterwhite (#1)
Dr. Piomelli, who runs a lab at the university, discussed recent research on cannabis effect on Parkinsons disease:
Further, a 2014 study published in Clinical Neuropharmacology, researchers concluded there was significant improvement of sleep and pain scores for patients using cannabis to treat Parkinsons. They noted no significant adverse effects of the drug were observed but cautioned further research was necessary.
A 2014 study published in the Journal of Psychopharmacology explained that cannabidiol, or CBD, a non-psychoactive endocannabinoid, had the possible effect of improving quality of life measures in PD patients with no psychiatric comorbidities. They also advised more research was needed.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 09:41:25 Reply Private Reply
#6: misterwhite To: Deckard (#3)
So The Daily Sheeple publishes real news? Accurate, complete, and balanced? They don't omit facts that don't fit with their narrative?
They're not a clickbait website, taking bits of true stories but insinuating and making up other details to sow misinformation to fit their agenda?
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 10:03:16 Reply Private Reply
#7: misterwhite To: A Pole (#4)
$3000 a month? Where did you read that?
I read, "every time she fills a prescription for him, it costs about $3,000". For all we know, that could be a yearly supply. Plus, how much does insurance cover?
Now that he's found his precious and miraculous marijuana, has he stopped taking those other meds? Is he now saving "$3000 a month"?
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 10:10:39 Reply Private Reply
#8: Deckard To: misterwhite (#6)
Of course.
But by all means - keep on believing the lies that are published by the Mockingbird propaganda outlets.
Meet The Leftist Professor Who Wrote The 'Hit List' Of "Fake News" Sites
Actually, Fake News, also called News Satire is a type of parody presented in a format typical of mainstream journalism, and calledsatire because of its content.
Not all of the sites listed as "Fake News" are satire. Most are alternative sites run by tireless, dedicated, truth-seeking journalists (real journalists, not the kind you trust).
"Fake News" used in this context is a term created by the leftist media (working from a "list" created by a leftist professor) because the alternative media were instrumental in enabling Hillary's defeat.
Zimdars published and circulated a list of fake, false, or regularly misleading websites that are shared on Facebook and social media. She said she began writing the list because she didnt approve of the sources her students were citing.
The problem?
In addition to some satirical and bogus sites, her list attacks the credibility of well-established news organizations such as Breitbart, BizPac Review, Red State, the Blaze, the Independent Journal Review, Twitchy, the Daily Wire, WND and James OKeefes Project Veritas. In many cases (such as with her WND listing), she offers no explanation for why the news organizations were included on the list.
Mainstream media outlets such as the Los Angeles Times circulated Zimdars growing list. The Times headlined its story, Want to keep fake news out of your newsfeed? College professor creates list of sites to avoid. The Times offered no details concerning Zimdars qualifications or background.
News organizations such as CNN, the Washington Post, Boston Globe, New York Magazine, USA Today, Business Insider, the Austin American-Statesman, the Dallas Morning News and others spread the list like gospel and cited it in their reports.
*****
You're too stupid to realize that the many of what you refer to as "fake news" sites (Infowars for one) were instrumental in getting Trump elected - that's the reason the psy-op was instigated.
Paul Joseph Watson Blasts The MSM: "You're The F**king Experts Of Fake News"
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 10:14:40 Reply Private Reply
#9: misterwhite To: Deckard (#5)
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 10:18:35 Reply Private Reply
#10: misterwhite To: Deckard (#8)
These sources publish false information that cannot be validated or are related to pseudoscience. The information on these sites is speculation that is not supported by evidence. These are the most untrustworthy sources in media.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-sheeple/
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 10:28:01 Reply Private Reply
#11: Deckard To: misterwhite (#10)
From your source - here are just a few of the stories published by The Daily Sheeple reacently:
WORD: 5 Stories The Mainstream Media Reported as Real, But They Were Fake December 3, 2016 2:01 pm
7 Reasons that the Corporate Media Is Pro-War December 3, 2016 12:29 am
To Really Make America Great Again, End the Fed! December 2, 2016 6:52 pm
Your source claims: These sources publish false information that cannot be validated or are related to pseudoscience. The information on these sites is speculation that is not supported by evidence.
What they really saying is that they don't like sites that criticize fed.gov, sites that question the medical establishment, the Federal Reserve... speculate on "conspiracy theories" (a term which was Created by The CIA in 1967... to Attack Anyone Who Challenges the "Official" Narrative)
But by all means - keep drinking the MSM kool-aid.
I expect no less from you.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 11:19:12 Reply Private Reply
#12: Deckard To: misterwhite (#9)
Cannabis is the same as thalidomide ?
Wow - you "Reefer Madness" drug warrior idiots must be getting desperate.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 11:21:23 Reply Private Reply
#13: Deckard To: A Pole (#4)
paulsen (misterwhite) must be heavily invested in Big Pharma. Why else would he deny the proven benefits of medical cannabis and want to keep it banned?
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 11:25:39 Reply Private Reply
#14: Roscoe To: misterwhite (#9)
Doesn't medical marijuana cure thalidomide birth defects? After all, it cures everything else.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 11:40:23 Reply Private Reply
#15: Deckard To: Roscoe (#14)
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 11:54:11 Reply Private Reply
#16: Roscoe To: Deckard (#15)
700 MEDICINAL USES OF CANNABIS SORTED BY DISEASE
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 12:03:32 Reply Private Reply
#17: Deckard To: Roscoe (#16)
Very informative list.
No doubt all of the studies done on the medical efficacy of cannabis were all done by stoners and hippies.
At least that's what you and paulsen believe.
I didn't see thalidomide birth defects on the list though.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 12:15:10 Reply Private Reply
#18: Roscoe To: Deckard (#17)
Maybe next week.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 12:16:15 Reply Private Reply
#19: misterwhite To: Roscoe (#18)
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 13:19:14 Reply Private Reply
#20: misterwhite To: Deckard (#13)
Proven? Anecdotal stories are not proof.
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 13:20:33 Reply Private Reply
#21: Roscoe To: misterwhite (#19)
But heavy use helps blind him to it.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 13:29:34 Reply Private Reply
#22: Roscoe To: misterwhite (#20)
And why does Deckhard deny the proven benefits of flag burning prohibitions?
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 13:31:04 Reply Private Reply
#23: misterwhite To: Roscoe (#21)
Nah. He'll claim that heavy use makes him smarter and more creative. Just like the heavy use of alcohol makes me a better dancer.
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 13:33:20 Reply Private Reply
#24: Roscoe To: misterwhite (#23)
No way. He never could have been dumber than he is now.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 13:37:32 Reply Private Reply
#25: misterwhite To: Roscoe (#22)
Can't deny the proven benefits of this flag burning prohibition:
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 13:39:11 Reply Private Reply
#26: Roscoe To: misterwhite (#25)
(I'm guessing that's Deckard in the pink slip.)
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 13:46:48 Reply Private Reply
#27: misterwhite To: Roscoe (#26)
misterwhite posted on 2016-12-03 13:50:51 Reply Private Reply
#28: Deckard To: misterwhite (#20)
60 Peer-Reviewed Studies on Medical Marijuana
Clinical Studies and Case Reports
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 14:04:25 Reply Private Reply
#29: Roscoe To: Deckard (#28)
First study: "There have also been some anecdotal reports suggesting that marijuana may be effective in alleviating certain ALS symptoms..."
You never read your sources.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 14:08:10 Reply Private Reply
#30: Deckard To: Roscoe (#29)
Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.
It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias.
Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 14:19:43 Reply Private Reply
#31: Roscoe To: Deckard (#30)
Top of the stack. Loser.
Roscoe posted on 2016-12-03 14:28:37 Reply Private Reply
#32: nolu chan To: Deckard, misterwhite (#28)
It does not count when one doper says he has been peer reviewed by another doper when the test is rejected by official authorities. That counts for zero and any possession or use of marijauna remains a Federal crime.
https://www.scribd.com/document/322683217/81-Fed-Reg-No-156-12-Aug-2016-53767-53845-Proposed-Marijuana-Rules-Denial-Docket-DEA-427
81 Fed Reg No 156 (12 Aug 2016) 53767-53845, Proposed Rules Denial, Docket DEA-427
None of the 11 adequate and well controlled studies proved efficacy. 74 studies failed to meet the standards of adequate and well-controlled studies.
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-03 18:56:08 Reply Private Reply
#33: Deckard To: nolu chan (#32)
Oh - another government "source".
Checked out any of these?
Clinical Studies and Case Reports
No? Didn't think so.
You "Reefer Madness" cultists are disgusting.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 19:00:22 Reply Private Reply
#34: Deckard To: nolu chan (#32)
You obviously didn't even look at those two sources.
Typical government apologist.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-03 19:15:51 Reply Private Reply
#35: nolu chan To: Deckard (#34)
I don't have to look at your bullshit sources when the sole official source capable of approving the tests, or the drug, states that there has been no test whatsoever that has met the required standards and shown efficacy.
Typical doper whose brain is too fried to think. Argued to a court, this peer-reviewed bullshit gets destroyed like a doper's brain.
Americans for Safe Access v DEA (excerpt) peer review bs
DHHS makes the scientific and medical evaluations. If and when the effectiveness of kratom is established in well-controlled, well-designed, well-conducted, and well-documented scientific studies, including studies performed in a large number of patients, they may give your insatiable desires high consideration.
You are like a teen who does not take a road test but goes to the DMV for a drivers license and presents notes from various friends, neighbors, and mommy attesting to your being a safe driver. You do not get a license without a road test. DMV to Deckard: Because we say so.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/12CBD2B55C34FBF585257AFB00554299/$file/11-1265-1416392.pdf
Americans for Safe Access et al v. DEA, 11-1265 (D.C. Cir. 22 Jan 2013)
At 23:
At 26-28:
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-04 23:57:36 Reply Private Reply
#36: nolu chan To: Deckard (#33)
When your bullshit goes to court, like a doper's brain, it gets destroyed.
Gonzales v. Raich 545 U.S. 1 (2005) at 14:
At 27:
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-05 00:06:46 Reply Private Reply
#37: nolu chan To: Deckard (#34)
No need to read doper bullshit.
United States v. McIntosh, 15-10117 (9th Cir. 16 Aug 2016)
At 26:
Footnote 5 at 32-33:
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-05 00:17:45 Reply Private Reply
#38: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#35)
Well, you may choose to not look at Deckard's sources but I just so happened to stumble upon an article written by The Journal of American Medical Association that contradicts what DHHS has to say about cannabis. Had my mom been prescribing to cannabis rather than the continuous chemo treatments she was getting, she would be still be alive today. And what's worse is that at the same time she was getting those chemo treatments, those same doctors were administering flu shots on her which caused her to go code blue. So, I don't put too much faith on most doctors medicine these days.
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2338251
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-05 19:05:29 Reply Private Reply
#39: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#38)
And remains unlawful with no accepted medical use. There is one regulating body and it is not JAMA or Dopers Are Us.
No amount of self-professed but unofficial claims of "peer reviewed" articles will satisfy the conditions placed upon every medical substance in the country. Some time back, laetrile, from peach pits, was the miracle cure.
Sorry about your mom, but there is no way to know that marijuana would have worked where chemo failed.
If you choose, you are free to prefer witch doctors or dopers who profess that marijuana is the miracle cure for everything, or a Mexican clinic dispensing laetrile. If marijuana is the miracle cure, I should think the cancer rate in Columbia should be near zero.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/12CBD2B55C34FBF585257AFB00554299/$file/11-1265-1416392.pdf
Americans for Safe Access et al v. DEA, 11-1265 (D.C. Cir. 22 Jan 2013)
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-05 19:49:40 Reply Private Reply
#40: GrandIsland To: Deckard (#0)
GrandIsland posted on 2016-12-05 19:58:17 Reply Private Reply
#41: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#39)
From that case you cited, I quote in part:
"On the merits, the question before the court is not whether marijuana could have some medical benefits. Rather, the limited question that we address is whether the DEAs decision declining to initiate proceedings to reschedule marijuana under the CSA was arbitrary and capricious. These questions are not coterminous. The scope of review under the arbitrary and capricious standard is narrow and a court is not to substitute its judgment for that of the agency. Motor Vehicle Mfrs. Assn of the U.S., Inc. v. State Farm Mut. Auto. Ins. Co., 463 U.S. 29, 43 (1983). On the record before us, we hold that the DEAs denial of the rescheduling petition survives review under the deferential arbitrary and capricious standard. The petition asks the DEA to reclassify marijuana as a Schedule III, IV, or V drug, which, under the terms of the CSA, requires a currently accepted medical use. The DEAs regulations, which we approved in Alliance for Cannabis Therapeutics v. DEA, 15 F.3d 1131 (D.C. Cir. 1994), define currently accepted medical use to require, inter alia, adequate and well-controlled studies proving efficacy. Id. at 1135. We defer to the agencys interpretation of these regulations and find that substantial evidence supports its determination that such studies do not exist."
Not only do those studies exist but I just cited those findings.
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-05 21:36:26 Reply Private Reply
#42: buckeroo To: goldilucky (#38)
Please remember that medical doctors only have a license to "practice" medicine. If you ever notice, most deaths in America occur directly under a doctor's care, i.e, a hospital or medical clinic and so forth.
buckeroo posted on 2016-12-05 21:54:23 Reply Private Reply
#43: rlk To: GrandIsland (#40)
He does it continually. He's a one-note charley.
rlk posted on 2016-12-05 22:13:22 Reply Private Reply
#44: rlk To: goldilucky (#38)
Neither do I. Medical schools have become too lax. There is too much emphasis on affimitive action and too little on the rigors of medicine.
rlk posted on 2016-12-05 22:33:22 Reply Private Reply
#45: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#41)
Are you a brain-damaged kangaroo?
Read the first sentence for context. You did not cite any adequate and well-controlled study proving efficacy.
There are no adequate and well-controlled studies proving efficacy.
There are NO SUCH studies. There is only (a) doper bullshit that does not qualify as adequate and well-controlled studies that have claimed to prove efficacy, and (b) adequate and well-controlled studies that do not prove efficacy.
A group of dopers on a mission, engaging in a self-congratulatory circle jerk, is a qualified peer-reviewed article in the same way that this site's dopers congratulating each other's profound discoveries is certification of scientific merit.
DEA: "proof of concept studies generally are not sufficient to prove efficacy of a drug because they provide only preliminary information about the effects of a drug."
DEA, 81 FR 53779-53781, August 12, 2016
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-06 01:16:24 Reply Private Reply
#46: Gatlin To: GrandIsland (#40)
That is his whole reason for being....it is his life.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 01:20:21 Reply Private Reply
#47: Deckard To: GrandIsland, rlk, Gatlin (#43)
This article isn't about recreational marijuana you "Reefer Madness" freaks.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-06 07:17:45 Reply Private Reply
#48: Deckard To: goldilucky (#38)
I'm sorry for your loss. Unfortunately some of the posters on this thread would much rather see someone suffer and die rather than to allow them access to cannabis.
I wonder how many would let their own children or parents suffer if cannabis was the only substance that could promise relief from pain or seizures?
Deckard posted on 2016-12-06 07:22:03 Reply Private Reply
#49: Gatlin To: Deckard (#48)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 08:45:07 Reply Private Reply
#50: Deckard To: Gatlin (#49)
The ignorant posts made by you and the other freaks here would lead anyone to the same conclusion I've reached
Deckard posted on 2016-12-06 08:46:56 Reply Private Reply
#51: Gatlin To: Deckard (#48)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 08:54:54 Reply Private Reply
#52: Gatlin To: Deckard (#50)
An irresponsible and false conclusion by anyone is not evidence.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 08:56:38 Reply Private Reply
#53: Deckard To: Gatlin (#51)
The point I am making is that you and the others here who would deny cannabis to a sick child for relief from pain or seizures, or to help a veteran cope with PTSD, or to allow a chemo patient to keep down his food are sadistic ghouls, blinded by the propaganda fed to you by the government concerning the medicinal value of cannabis.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-06 09:00:43 Reply Private Reply
#54: Gatlin To: Deckard (#53)
No one here is in a position to deny cannabis to anyone.
You countenances are totally asinine.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 09:07:52 Reply Private Reply
#55: Deckard To: Gatlin (#54)
Be honest for once in your miserable life.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-06 09:37:29 Reply Private Reply
#56: Gatlin To: Deckard (#55)
Huh....you can't?
Then STFU already....you dope pimp.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 11:40:29 Reply Private Reply
#57: rlk To: Deckard (#47)
Yes it is. The intention is to come in the back door with an argument presenting an argument that marijuana is benign and "natural" then later expand the argument to say there there is no reason to object to its use as a recreational drug.
The best testimony in rebuttal is the debilitated condition of the people who use it and are obsessed with it.
rlk posted on 2016-12-06 12:00:36 Reply Private Reply
#58: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#49)
No that is not true. The DHHS is not in the business of practicing medicine and therefore they are not the experts in making such determinations about cannabis. Let the doctors in the research and development do their job.
There has been research done on the medicinal purposes of this herb. Furthermore, cannabis has already been included in many medicines doctors prescribe however it is not as effective because it has been mixed with other FDA medicines making it less effective. If the patients were administered just the raw dosage of cannabis, they would get results more promising than just a mixture compressed with other drug elements. The reason why cannabis has been mixed with other drug elements is so that the cannabis loses its true purpose of healing and this is good for the doctors and hospital administrations as they making a huge profit. Were cannabis to be administered in raw form and under close supervision, there would be positive results and it would put the hospitals out of business. Hospitals and doctors are not in the business of healing people. Your illness is their opportunity to staying in business. You are nothing to them but a walking paycheck everytime you need their services which is why the first thing they prey on is your health insurance policies because if you don't have enough to cover those outrageous hospital and medical expenses, they will take your home.
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-06 12:41:21 Reply Private Reply
#59: A K A Stone To: Deckard (#48)
Some assholes would tell the world that heroin should be legal. Then lots of kids would try it and fuck themselves for life.
You and your sicko ilk are ok with that. You don't know right from wrong.
Anyone can go buy some pot. Just ask Fred. He deals it for lunch money.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-12-06 12:52:11 Reply Private Reply
#60: Fred Mertz To: A K A Stone (#59)
Wrong answer, Retardo.
I only deliver it for nothing on rare occasions...from friend to friend...small potatoes.
Need a pipe screen? Brass or stainless steel?
Fred Mertz posted on 2016-12-06 12:55:13 Reply Private Reply
#61: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#58)
Still, you fail to furnishg evidence to support Deckars's allegation, a allegation that is completely false in that there have been no events such as that he alleged.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 13:08:44 Reply Private Reply
#62: Gatlin To: Deckard. misterwhite (#8)
Another site that is also listed as a source of fake news.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 13:17:23 Reply Private Reply
#63: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#62)
That is not fake news.
It may have different opinions but it is not fake.
A bunch of the stuff on that list isn't fake.
CNN is fake though. They edited Trump speeches to make him say something else.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-12-06 13:18:32 Reply Private Reply
#64: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#62)
www.infowars.com/angela-merkel-calls-for-ban-on-burka/
A K A Stone posted on 2016-12-06 13:19:51 Reply Private Reply
#65: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#64)
I dont trust anything that Angela Merkel says even if I hear it first hand from her.
And I certainly will not trust what Infowars tells me she said is true.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 13:29:19 Reply Private Reply
#66: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#61)
I didn't fail to furnish evidence. You failed to read what I cited. Re-read post #38.
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-06 13:30:27 Reply Private Reply
#67: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#66)
I read your response, it had absolutely nothing to do with my statement. Your response was about DHHS and not about Deckards claim.
Therefore, you failed to furnish evidence to support Deckards claim that some of the posters on this thread would much rather see someone suffer and die rather than to allow them access to cannabis.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 13:43:15 Reply Private Reply
#68: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#66)
I read you post again.
What evidence can you provide that your mother would have been alive today had she been prescribed cannabis?
David Hibbitt tried it
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 14:03:25 Reply Private Reply
#69: A K A Stone To: Gatlin (#65)
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation." William Paley
A K A Stone posted on 2016-12-06 15:29:53 Reply Private Reply
#70: Gatlin To: A K A Stone (#69)
Your principle does not apply to me since I do not bar ALL information. I only discount information presented in yellow journalism articles and fake news sites.
Hey, man, you can read from whatever sources you desire and believe whatever the Hell you want to believe .but I will decide what sources I need to accept as factual and whether to believe the information they present.Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 16:04:44 Reply Private Reply
#71: nolu chan To: Deckard, GrandIsland, rlk, Gatlin (#47)
The DEA ruling is directly on point about so-called medical marijuana.
DEA, 81 FR 53779-53781, August 12, 2016
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The Court in Americans for Safe Access et al v. DEA confirmed the ruling of the DEA.
https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/12CBD2B55C34FBF585257AFB00554299/$file/11-1265-1416392.pdf
Americans for Safe Access et al v. DEA, 11-1265 (D.C. Cir. 22 Jan 2013)
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-06 16:50:13 Reply Private Reply
#72: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#68)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1520a
50 U.S. Code § 1520a - Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.) · US Code · Notes
(a) Prohibited activitiesThe Secretary of Defense may not conduct (directly or by contract)
(1) any test or experiment involving the use of a chemical agent or biological agent on a civilian population; or
(2) any other testing of a chemical agent or biological agent on human subjects.
(b)Exceptions
Subject to subsections (c), (d), and (e), the prohibition in subsection (a) does not apply to a test or experiment carried out for any of the following purposes:
(1) Any peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity.
(2) Any purpose that is directly related to protection against toxic chemicals or biological weapons and agents.
(3) Any law enforcement purpose, including any purpose related to riot control.
(b) only if informed consent to the testing was obtained from each human subject in advance of the testing on that subject. (
c) Informed consent required The Secretary of Defense may conduct a test or experiment described in subsection
(d) Prior notice to Congress Not later than 30 days after the date of final approval within the Department of Defense of plans for any experiment or study to be conducted by the Department of Defense (whether directly or under contract) involving the use of human subjects for the testing of a chemical agent or a biological agent, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives a report setting forth a full accounting of those plans, and the experiment or study may then be conducted only after the end of the 30-day period beginning on the date such report is received by those committees.
(e) Biological agent definedIn this section, the term biological agent means any micro-organism (including bacteria, viruses, fungi, rickettsiac, or protozoa), pathogen, or infectious substance, and any naturally occurring, bioengineered, or synthesized component of any such micro-organism, pathogen, or infectious substance, whatever its origin or method of production, that is capable of causing
(1) death, disease, or other biological malfunction in a human, an animal, a plant, or another living organism;
(2) deterioration of food, water, equipment, supplies, or materials of any kind; or
(3) deleterious alteration of the environment.
(Pub. L. 10585, div. A, title X, § 1078, Nov. 18, 1997, 111 Stat. 1915; Pub. L. 10665, div. A, title X, § 1067(4), Oct. 5, 1999, 113 Stat. 774.)
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-06 17:07:58 Reply Private Reply
#73: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#72)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 17:16:54 Reply Private Reply
#74: nolu chan To: goldilucky, Gatlin (#58)
This is absolute bullshit and directly contrary to Federal statute law.
DHHS is emphatically assigned the authority and responsibility for the scientific and medical evaluation, and the DHHS recommendation is binding on the Attorney General per 21 U.S.C. § 811.
The binding scientific and medical recommendation of DHHS holds that all of your blather about marijuana studies fails to have met the required medical and scientific standards. In addition, due to treaty obligations, marijuana cannot be assigned to less than Schedule 2.
DEA Dockets 426 and 427 Responses of 12 August 2016 - requests to reschedule Marjuana DENIED
These are the actual DEA responses of 12 August 2016 to requests to Reschedule Marijuana, DEA Dockets 426 and 427, as taken from the Federal Register.
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https://www.scribd.com/document/322683127/81-Fed-Reg-No-156-12-Aug-2016-53668-53766-Proposed-Marijuana-Rules-Denial-Docket-DEA-426
81 Fed Reg No 156 (12 Aug 2016) 53668-53766, Proposed Rules Denial, Docket DEA-426
Dear Ms. Raimondo and Mr. Inslee:
Essentially the same as DEA-427 below, but sent to different addressees.
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https://www.scribd.com/document/322683217/81-Fed-Reg-No-156-12-Aug-2016-53767-53845-Proposed-Marijuana-Rules-Denial-Docket-DEA-427
Dear Mr. Krumm:
81 Fed Reg No 156 (12 Aug 2016) 53767-53845, Proposed Rules Denial, Docket DEA-427
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http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2014/title-21/chapter-13/subchapter-i/part-b/sec.-811/
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-06 17:38:24 Reply Private Reply
#75: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#73)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cancer_chemotherapy
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-06 18:03:32 Reply Private Reply
#76: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#74)
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-06 18:06:31 Reply Private Reply
#77: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#75)
Of course there are. You must know there is an overabundance of lawyers, many of who are unemployed, who will take calls from anyone to do anything.
The fact that there is an over abundance of lawyers looking for cases to try still does not answer this question:
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-06 18:45:30 Reply Private Reply
#78: nolu chan To: goldilucky, Gatlin (#76)
You cite Title 50 USC Sec 1520 but link to the different statute section 50 USC Sec 1520a.
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Read it yourself. § 1520 was repealed 18 years ago.
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Now, correcting your incorrect citation, you meant 50 U.S.C. 1520a. At least it wasn't repealed 18 years ago, but an assertion of authority citing 50 U.S.C. § 1520a is idiotic, as well as bullshit.
You fantasize that marijuana falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title50-section1520a&num=0&edition=prelim
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-06 19:15:39 Reply Private Reply
#79: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#77)
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-07 00:37:19 Reply Private Reply
#80: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#78)
No I did not say that about marijuana but I did say that about chemotheraphy falling under Title 50 on War and Biological warfare. Please read my post #75. Chemotheraphy has long been used as a chemical biowarfare agent and should never have been used to treat patients with cancer. But of course you knew that already, didn't cha?
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-07 00:41:44 Reply Private Reply
#81: Deckard To: Gatlin (#62)
Uh - you do realize that Infowars and Alex Jones were the biggest Trump supporters on the internet, right?
Deckard posted on 2016-12-07 02:51:40 Reply Private Reply
#82: Gatlin To: Deckard (#81)
Alex Jones first choice: Alex Jones Endorses Rand Paul/Ted Cruz Ticket for 2016
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-07 03:01:40 Reply Private Reply
#83: Operation 40 To: nolu chan (#78)
Well the US Gov did tell farmers to grow Cannabis for the war. And a hemp parachute saved George "New World Order" Bush so that he could go on to bomb a bunch of Iraqis.
The Feds said that film didn't exist. You don't care, do you.
Jesus Christ Himself could come back and tell you that you've been lied to
about Hemp and you'd complain about his bare feet and long hair, then tell him he's delusional.
#6630507
You fought a war against a plant and lost! ROFL Loser
Operation 40 posted on 2016-12-07 03:15:27 Reply Private Reply
#84: Gatlin To: Operation 40, nolu chan (#83)
Farmers around the world grow hemp. Legally. And they've been doing so for thousands of years. Hemp is a plant grown from a seed. It can get up to 15 to 20 or so feet tall. It is an annual, herbaceous, long fibre plant similar to flax (linen), jute and ramie. It's the sister plant to marijuana but it won't get you high. However, it's good at doing almost anything else except making you high.
There is nothing wrong with a 100% natural hemp rope. In fact, it has many advantages and is readily available for purchase. Amazon even offers the Shibari 100% Natural Hemp Rope with overnight delivery.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-07 03:55:49 Reply Private Reply
#85: Deckard To: Gatlin (#82)
So what? Jones had Trump on his show and supported him BIG TIME through the entire campaign.
You should retract your claim about "Infowars" being fake news or admit Trump is a "conspiracy theorist".
You are still pimping for the mainstream media by parroting their "fake news" psy-op.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-07 04:18:58 Reply Private Reply
#86: Gatlin To: Deckard (#85)
So what? David Duke supported Trump BIG TIME through the entire campaign. And I should praise Duke for doing that just as you suggest I praise Jones. Neither is going to happen. Alex Jones is a flim-flam man who flip flops with the way the wind blows. He is a conspiracy theorist opportunist. I place no credence in what Alex has to say .you can of course continue to worship at his alter.Infowars is nothing more than ground zero for the modern conspiracy movement, acting a a central forum for ignorant people who believe the government is going to wipe them out. Infowars is merely a grab bag of links, opinion, ads and goofiness showing collections of conspiracy-driven news articles from outside sources (some mainstream and some fringe) and pieces about tyranny, surveillance and things the government isnt telling you. The stuff youll see at Infowars is usually just their spin version of a legitimate news story. You are the CT freak, I am not .you can believe their spin, I will not.
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-07 04:49:34 Reply Private Reply
#87: Deckard To: Gatlin (#86)
Did David Duke have Trump on his radio show? Alex Jones did.
Did Trump denounce Alex Jones? No, but he denounced Duke.
Nice try queerbaiat but by all means go ahead and keep right on parroting the "fake news" psy-op that has been perpetuated by the MSM in a bizarre reaction to Trump's win.
You'll always be a sheep.
I place no credence in what he has to say .you can of course continue to worship at his alter.
It's "altar" you idiotic commie POS.
And no, I don't. I rarely read his site and I can't even remember the last time I posted anything from Infowars.
Meet The Leftist Professor Who Wrote The 'Hit List' Of "Fake News" Sites
Actually, Fake News, also called News Satire is a type of parody presented in a format typical of mainstream journalism, and calledsatire because of its content.
Not all of the sites listed as "Fake News" are satire. Most are alternative sites run by tireless, dedicated, truth-seeking journalists (real journalists, not the kind you trust).
"Fake News" used in this context is a term created by the leftist media (working from a "list" created by a leftist professor) because the alternative media were instrumental in enabling Hillary's defeat.
Zimdars published and circulated a list of fake, false, or regularly misleading websites that are shared on Facebook and social media. She said she began writing the list because she didnt approve of the sources her students were citing.
The problem?
In addition to some satirical and bogus sites, her list attacks the credibility of well-established news organizations such as Breitbart, BizPac Review, Red State, the Blaze, the Independent Journal Review, Twitchy, the Daily Wire, WND and James OKeefes Project Veritas. In many cases (such as with her WND listing), she offers no explanation for why the news organizations were included on the list.
Mainstream media outlets such as the Los Angeles Times circulated Zimdars growing list. The Times headlined its story, Want to keep fake news out of your newsfeed? College professor creates list of sites to avoid. The Times offered no details concerning Zimdars qualifications or background.
News organizations such as CNN, the Washington Post, Boston Globe, New York Magazine, USA Today, Business Insider, the Austin American-Statesman, the Dallas Morning News and others spread the list like gospel and cited it in their reports.
Edit - Jones did have David Duke on his show - for a DEBATE.
Contrast the tone of the debate with this interview of Trump.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-07 05:18:42 Reply Private Reply
#88: Gatlin To: Deckard (#87)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-07 06:48:19 Reply Private Reply
#89: Deckard To: Gatlin (#88)
Attaboy! Keep siding with the liberal MSM who is pushing the "fake news" psy-op.
MSNBC Liberals Demand that Google and Facebook Ban Fake News
Interesting timing that this cry for social media to crack down on so-called fake news comes within the same period that the EU has demanded social media companies comply with censoring fake news or potentially face legal action
Your support of foreign governments controlling social media should also be noted.
Deckard posted on 2016-12-07 08:47:20 Reply Private Reply
#90: goldilucky To: Gatlin (#84)
You contradict your statement when said that Farmers have been growing hemp; a plant grown from a seed. Hemp comes from the cannabis family. Sources here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp#frbanner3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_sativa
Finally, if there is nothing wrong with hemp, than there is nothing wrong with cannabis either. Both are used to aid in medical treatments just as they may be used for other purposes as well. I would prefer taking these as alternative medicine than the toxic poison approved by the FDA which has killed many people, including my mom.
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-07 12:21:13 Reply Private Reply
#91: goldilucky To: Gatlin, Operation 40, nolu chan (#73)
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/treatment/cam/hp/cannabis-pdq
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-07 12:33:14 Reply Private Reply
#92: Gatlin To: goldilucky (#90)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-07 17:16:55 Reply Private Reply
#93: nolu chan To: goldilucky (#80)
Oh, you think chemotherapy falls under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.
That is so much less idiotic.
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-07 17:50:55 Reply Private Reply
#94: GarySpFC To: goldilucky (#90)
GarySpFC posted on 2016-12-07 17:57:48 Reply Private Reply
#95: Gatlin To: GarySpFC (#94)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-07 18:08:43 Reply Private Reply
#96: GarySpFC To: Gatlin (#95)
GarySpFC posted on 2016-12-07 18:12:03 Reply Private Reply
#97: nolu chan To: Operation 40 (#83)
Hemp is not cannabis. And growing hemp does not bring marijuana (or chemotherapy) under Title 50 on WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE, in CHAPTER 32 on CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM, in the subsection 1520a on Restrictions on use of human subjects for testing of chemical or biological agents.
So you think marijuana is a chemical or biological agent under the Department of Defense Chemical and Biological Warfare Program.
And under the cited 50 U.S.C. § 1520a, a biological agent is specifically defined, and you believe it falls under that definition and is capable of causing,
And you find that this magic substance, When allegedly used for medical treatment, does not fall under the explicitly stated exception of "[a]ny peaceful purpose that is related to a medical, therapeutic, pharmaceutical, agricultural, industrial, or research activity."
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title50-section1520a&num=0&edition=prelim
nolu chan posted on 2016-12-07 18:12:38 Reply Private Reply
#98: Gatlin To: GarySpFC (#96)
Gatlin posted on 2016-12-07 18:16:31 Reply Private Reply
#99: CZ82 To: GarySpFC (#94)
Good to see you up and about.
CZ82 posted on 2016-12-07 18:29:03 Reply Private Reply
#100: goldilucky To: nolu chan (#93)
Yes, I know it does.
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-08 00:30:49 Reply Private Reply
#101: goldilucky To: GarySpFC (#96)
goldilucky posted on 2016-12-08 00:35:13 Reply Private Reply