A rigged election is almost a certainty and should most definitely be resisted.

How?

While peaceful militias are certainly healthy for protecting the citizens from the violence of a rogue state, a report out of Reuters shows that militias are now preparing to act if their statist doesn’t win.

Act? Like go on twitter and complain about it?

Act?

Militia is a misnomer that should never be used to categorize these nefarious groups.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

Just like the Paultard libertarian assholes who attempt to occupy limited space on LF, all these hoodlums do is “huff” while they never have any “puff.” They both just make noisy empty statements with no empirical support.

They think that expressing themselves in a loud, aggressive, and indignant way will have some some effect….but in the end, bluster is all they have.

Act? Like go on twitter and complain about it?

Go out in the woods, drink, smoke, belch, fart, and shoot some trees.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

That is not true.

Title 10 Section 311 Part (b)(2) fits the above which is not only a legal organization but fits within the confines of the constitution of the USA.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

They think that expressing themselves in a loud, aggressive, and indignant way will have some some effect….but in the end, bluster is all they have.

Seems so. They give MSNBC types something else to complain about.

The Second Amendment was implemented because when our armies had to defend ourselves against the Benedict Arnolds betraying our country, it became the duty of every able-bodied citizen to defend their home (not homeland) from a professional standing army; an army that does not represent them at all but serves at the pleasure of a modern day Benedict Arnold who would deliver them unto their enemies.

Now try and explain that to a journalist.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

That is not true.

[...]

I am referring to those who have hijacked the noble and patriotic “militia” name and consist mainly of armed paramilitary groups with an anti-government conspiracy-oriented ideology….groups who call themselves “militia” that began to form shortly after the deadly Waco standoff and have now spread to every state.

The “militia” movement along with the sovereign citizen movement and the tax protest movement have seared themselves into the American consciousness. Many members of “militia” groups have been arrested, usually on weapons, explosives and conspiracy charges thereby causing a number of problems for law enforcement and the communities in which "militia" groups are active

Prominent “militia” arrests: Multiple members of the following groups have been arrested and convicted, usually on weapons, explosives, or conspiracy charges: Oklahoma Constitutional Militia, Georgia Republic Militia, Arizona Viper Militia, Washington State Militia, West Virginia Mountaineer Militia, Twin Cities Free Militia, North American Militia, San Joaquin County Militia.

I agree in principle with the factual definition of “militia” in your post. In light of day reality, I will continue to stand by my statement:

Militia is a misnomer that should never be used to categorize these nefarious groups.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

Just like the Paultard libertarian assholes who attempt to occupy limited space on LF, all these hoodlums do is “huff” while they never have any “puff.” They both just make noisy empty statements with no empirical support. They think that expressing themselves in a loud, aggressive, and indignant way will have some some effect….but in the end, bluster is all they have.

A well-regulated militia is supposed to protect people from the state…

I fear not since their extreme anti-government ideology combined with their elaborate conspiracy theories and obsessive fascination with weapons and paramilitary organization has lead many members of the “militias” to act out in ways that justify deep concerns.

Three members of a Kansas militia group were charged Friday with plotting to bomb an apartment complex that’s home to Somali immigrants in the western Kansas meatpacking town of Garden City, a thwarted attack prosecutors say was planned for the day after the November election. ¹

A ranking member of the Louisiana Tactical Militia was arrested this week on drug and gun charges by the FBI’s domestic terror team in New Orleans. James Moore, 46, of Talisheek, Louisiana, was allegedly involved in trafficking large quantities of meth and claimed to have access to more than 80 firearms, the Justice Department said. ²

Thirty-six members of 3% of Idaho, many in leadership positions, announced their resignations Tuesday evening after they said $2,901 in donations earmarked for four Idaho men accused in the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff in Nevada were improperly spent. ³ [They even lie, cheat and steal among themselves].

Twelve members of an anti-government group called the "Viper Militia" have been arrested in Phoenix Arizona. Their arrest was the culmination of a six-month investigation that allegedly uncovered a plot to blow up several government buildings in the Phoenix area. ⁴

An anti-government militia with ties to Fort Stewart is accused of killing two people and plotting to kill President Barack Obama. ⁵

Three members of a border militia group are behind bars, charged with conspiracy to sell cocaine. They were caught in an FBI sting operation, involving an undercover agent, a plot to steal drugs and money from cartel smugglers, an offer of murder for hire and a high speed chase through the streets of Phoenix. ⁶

Just know this, Gatlin. Before Barbara Olson died on Sept 11, 2001, she had just finished her book, Hell to Pay in reference to Hillary Clinton. It is not the militias of this country that your ilk should be concerned about for they care about where this country is going. It is those that you protect (such as Hillary Clinton) who will deliver this country over to our enemies. Remember that she did this to US Ambassador Christoper Stevens.

Randy Weaver ...

we are discussing “militia.” In order for me to respond to your post, you will need to please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of.

please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of

The unorganized militia. The same one that you and I are in.

…federal agents who shot and killed his [Randy Weaver’s] wife and child in the face.

I remember you stated in a previous post you always want the truth and that is important to you. Just to be technically truthful….Randy’s wife was not shot in the face. An HRT sniper fired at an armed Kevin Harris, a family friend staying with the Weavers, as he ran for cover….but hit Weaver's wife, Vicki, in the head. She was also running and may have entered into the line of fire.

It has been a long time, if this information is not correct….I certainly stand to be corrected.

I will comment some more as we exchange posts.

please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of

The unorganized militia. The same one that you and I are in.

Oh?

Just what is the age requirement to be a member of the militia you allege that you and I are in?

The same one that you and I are in.

You and I are in the "unorganized militia".

As far as Gatlin - the SPLC has told him "militias bad".

You've seen his numerous hit pieces on militias and pro-freedom groups like Oathkeepers.

Gatlin no doubt thinks Weaver's wife "got what she deserved".

It is those that you protect …

Gatlin no doubt thinks Weaver's wife "got what she deserved".

You don’t have any idea what I think?

I agree that the US Marshals screwed up at Ruby Ridge.

As far as Gatlin - the SPLC has told him "militias bad".

Nine militia members arrested in cop killing conspiracy in Midwest United States.

The “child” was 14-year-old boy who shot Bill Degan in retaliation for the shooting of the Weaver’s dog and then a running Sammy was shot in the back by a dying Bill Degan and/or other federal agents.

Randy’s wife was not shot in the face. An HRT sniper fired at an armed Kevin Harris, a family friend staying with the Weavers, as he ran for cover….but hit Weaver's wife, Vicki, in the head.

You are seriously misinformed.

Vicki was murdered by an FBI sniper named Lon Horiuchi. It was no "accident" as you seem to claim, in fact Horiuchi testified in court that he could hit within a quarter inch of a target at a distance of 200 yards.

Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for the death of Vicki Weaver

Ruby Ridge: FBI Sniper Slays Mother Holding her Baby

On Aug. 21, 1992, six heavily armed, camouflaged U.S. marshals sneaked onto Mr. Weaver’s property. Three agents threw rocks to get the attention of Mr. Weaver’s dogs. As Mr. Weaver’s 14-year-old son, Sammy, and Kevin Harris, a 25- year-old family friend living in the cabin, ran to see what the dogs were barking at, U.S. marshals killed one of the dogs.

Sammy Weaver fired his gun in the direction the shots had come from. Randy Weaver came out and hollered for his son to come back to the cabin. Sammy yelled, “I’m coming, Dad,” and was running back to the cabin when a federal marshal shot him in the back and killed him.

Kevin Harris responded to Sammy’s shooting by fatally shooting a U.S. marshal. Federal agents falsely testified in court that the U.S. marshal had been killed by the first shot of the exchange; evidence later showed that the marshal had fired seven shots before he was shot himself. (Self-defense)

After the death of the U.S. marshal, the commander of the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team was called in, and ordered federal agents to shoot any armed adult outside the Weaver cabin, regardless of whether that person was doing anything to threaten or menace federal agents. (Thanks to the surveillance, federal officials knew that the Weavers always carried guns when outside their cabin.)

With the massive federal firepower surrounding the cabin — the automatic weapons, the sniper rifles, the night vision scopes — this was practically an order to assassinate the alleged wrongdoers. Four hundred government agents quickly swarmed in the mountains around the cabin. Most important, the federal agents at that time made no effort to contact Mr. Weaver to negotiate his surrender.

The next day, Aug. 22, Randy Weaver walked to the little shack where his son’s body lay. As he was lifting the latch on the shack’s door, he was shot from behind by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi. As he struggled back to the cabin, his wife, Vicki, stood in the doorway, holding a 10-month-old baby in her arms and calling for her husband to hurry. The FBI sniper fired again and hit Vicki Weaver in the temple, killing her instantly.

You don’t have any idea what I think?

I know from your numerous posts on the topic that you believe it's justified for a law enforcement officer of any agency to murder with impunity.

Whom am I “protecting?”

Your Senator John McCain, and his ISIS militia. Do you deny that you're voting for Jihad Johnny?

Gatlin's dream Militia group, ISIS

I know from your numerous posts on the topic that you believe it's justified for a law enforcement officer of any agency to murder with impunity.

Nah....you do NOT know that.

That is only something you make yourself believe because I do not buy into your yellow journalism articles and consistently expose their incongruities.

No LEO from any agency should ever murder with impunity.

tater's Senator of choice lives around the corner fom tater's favorite "Ike's liquor store."

Nope!

Normally he is not my Senator of choice. I did not vote for him last time in the primary or general election. However, after carefully considering the opposing candidates in the primary and general election….I could not wait to vote for him this time.

Furthermore, I know exactly where he lives while he is in Phoenix and where he lives when he is at his ranch. There are no liquor stores within miles of either location.

By the way, I see you are still at your same old address. One would have thought that you had bleed enough money from the lucrative government contracts you work on sucking the government’s money teat to upgrade just a little bit.

I see that you are still pimping for gay politicians.

Oh, well ...

please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of

The unorganized militia. The same one that you and I are in.

Oh?

Just what is the age requirement to be a member of the militia you allege that you and I are in?

You [Hondo] and I are in the "unorganized militia".

According to the Militia Act of 1903, there is an age requirement to be a member of the unorganized militia.

What is that age?

I could not wait to vote for him (McStain)this time.

Yep - that pretty much tells me all I need to know about your brand of "conservatism".

I could not wait to vote for him (McStain)this time. Yep - that pretty much tells me all I need to know about your brand of "conservatism".

Yep - But it does not tell you about the brand of "liberalism" his Democratic opponent represents.

Just like I voted for Donald Trump to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House....I voted for John McCain to keep liberal Ann Kirkpatrick out of the Senate.

You should be most grateful for my efforts for partly keeping the Senate from going to the extreme far left. But then, I realize that you don't have sense enough to appreciate anything except anarchy and cop-haters.

You should be most grateful for my efforts for partly keeping the Senate from going to the extreme far left.

Oh man - you can't get any more left than McCain.

Good grief!

Oh man - you can't get any more left than McCain.

Good grief!

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even know who Ann Kirkpatrick is?

The more you post....the dumber you get.

Geezze ...

Edit: Besides, Ann would support Hillary's SCOTUS nominations if they both win.

Think ahead....at least sometime. Oh, I just remembered, you can't.

You [Hondo] and I are in the "unorganized militia".

According to the Militia Act of 1903, there is an age requirement to be a member of the unorganized militia.

What is that age?

And since you mention that the government did admit they made a grievous mistake, did they ever compensate the Weaver family?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25119439?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

I do not know what the age requirement is but it may be 18 (the same as those required to sign up for selective service)

During the Revolution of 1776, Militiamen were adult white males from small towns throughout North America; since the end of the French and Indian War in 1763, all adult males between fifteen and 60 had to enroll in their local militia company.

If the Mel Gibson movie "The Patriot" is accurate, there were kids younger than that.

War in The American Revolution

You protect public officers and officials and diplomats such as the following: city council members, governors, the President of the United States, the Pope and other public figures.

And since you mention that the government did admit they made a grievous mistake, did they ever compensate the Weaver family?

But since you asked….Yes, they were compensated to the tune of $3.1 million taxpayers dollars.

We need to be reminded that the United States government created ISIS.

Either maliciously or stupidly. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that it was merely stupidity on John's part.

What a frigging pigeon! All ISIS had to do get our taxpayers' funding was briefly pretend that they were more moderate than the other terrorist groups. I can imagine the ISIS start-up planning session.

"Seriously, I'm not kidding. All we gotta do to get free military weapons and millions in cash, that we can use to buy sex slaves and child brides, is to smile and not behead anyone during during the visit." --Mohammed (no, I don't know which one)

I do not know what the age requirement is but it may be 18 (the same as those required to sign up for selective service)

However from what you mention, it appears that this very act only applied to the professional standing armies.

I remember reading on the account that the wife and baby were shot. The wife was unarmed.

During the Revolution of 1776, Militiamen were adult white males from small towns throughout North America …

Washington wrote: “I am wearied to death all day with a variety of perplexing circumstances, disturbed at the conduct of the militia, whose behavior and want of discipline has done great injury to the other troops, who never had officers, except in a few instances, worth the bread they eat. I never was in such an unhappy, divided state since I was born.” [Boldness Added].

Well able-bodied means just that and I don't see an issue with age requirement considering that the Israeli children are taught as young as 5 y.o.

Yes, able-bodied does mean just that and that is not the issue. Neither is the issue what the Israeli children are taught, the question is the age requirement to be a member of the American “unauthorized militia.”

Gatlin: They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a [vigilante] group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

Goldilucky: That is not true.

Book Definition:

A vigilante group is an armed private group that has taken the law into its own hands or that has the announced potential of doing so. There are quite a number of such organizations in the contemporary United States, and many have members who are said to be anti-government, racist, or both.

The New York Times (5/10/95) states:

"… 41 states bar or regulate armed paramilitary groups...Twenty-four states have laws banning private military organizations or militias and 24, including 7 with anti-militia laws, have laws banning private paramilitary training that is meant to or likely to produce civil disorder ...There is a long legal history to militia issues, dating back to 1886 when the Supreme Court ruled in Presser v. Illinois that an Illinois law was constitutional."

The state laws fall into a number of categories. Some states have no laws regarding unauthorized military groups. Some, such as Connecticut, require the groups to register with the state and annually file a membership list. Others ban unauthorized military organizations regardless of the purpose of the organization. Some states only ban these organizations if the purpose of the group is meant to or likely to produce civil disorder. Many of these same states prohibit parading by unauthorized armed groups through towns or cities.

Here is a listing of the statutory sources for each state law.

States with Both Anti-Militia and Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws (7)

-Florida. FLA. STAT. ANN. ch. 870.06, 790.29.
-Georgia. GA. CODE ANN. ss 38-2-277, 16-11-150 to -152.
-Idaho. IDAHO CODE ss 46-802, 18-8101 to -8105.
-Illinois. ILL. REV. STAT. ch. 1805, para. 94-95.
-New York. N.Y. MIL. LAW s 240.
-North Carolina. N.C. GEN. STAT. ss 127A-151, 14-288.20.
-Rhode Island. R.I. GEN. LAWS ss 30-12-7, 11-55-1 to -3.

States with Anti-Militia Laws Only (17)

-Alabama. ALA. CODE s 31-2-125.
-Arizona. ARIZ. REV. STAT. ANN. s 26-123.
-Iowa. IOWA CODE s 29A.31.
-Kansas. KAN. STAT. ANN. s 48-203.
-Kentucky. KY. REV. STAT. ANN. s 38.440.
-Maine. ME. REV. STAT. ANN. tit. 37-B, s 342.2.
-Maryland. MD. CODE ANN. art. 65, s 35.
-Massachusetts. MASS. GEN. L. ch. 33, s 129-132.
-Minnesota. MINN. STAT. s 624.61.
-Mississippi. MISS. CODE ANN. $ 33-1-31.
-Nevada. NEV. REV. STAT. s 203-080.
-New Hampshire. N.H. REV. STAT. ANN. s 111:15.
-North Dakota. N.D. CENT. CODE s 37-01-21.
-Texas. TEX. GOV'T CODE ANN. s 431.010.
-Washington. WASH. REV. CODE s 38.40.120.
-West Virginia. W. VA. CODE s 15-1F-7.
-Wyoming. WYO. STAT. s 19-1-106.

States with Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws Only (17)

-Arkansas. ARK. CODE s 5-71-301 to -303.
-California. CAL. PENAL CODE s 11460.
-Colorado. COLO. REV. STAT. s 18-9-120.
-Connecticut. CONN. GEN. STAT. s 53-206b.
-Louisiana. LA. REV. STAT. ANN. s 117.1.
-Michigan. MICH. COMP. LAWS s 750.528a.
-Missouri. MO. REV. STAT. s 574.070.
-Montana. MONT. CODE ANN. s 45-8-109.
-Nebraska. NEB. REV. STAT. s 28-1480 to -1482.
-New Jersey. N.J. REV. STAT. s 2C:39-14.
-New Mexico. N.M. STAT. ANN. s 30-20A-1 to -4.
-Oklahoma. OKLA. STAT. ANN. tit. 21, s 1321.10.
-Oregon. OR. REV. STAT. s 166.660.
-Pennsylvania. 18 PA. CONS. STAT. s 5515.
-South Carolina. S.C. CODE ANN. s 16-8-10 to -30.
-Tennessee. TENN. CODE ANN. s 39-17-314.
-Virginia. VA. CODE ANN. s 18.2-433.1 to -433.3.

http://archive.adl.org/mwd/faq5.html.

Hondo: Your Senator John McCain, and his ISIS militia.

Goldilucky: Thank you [hondo] for posting that image.

Goldilucky: You can thank John McCain for that one.

We need to be reminded that the United States government created ISIS.

Had you searched for the truth, you would have found this:

The photo was taken in May 2013, while Mccain was on a trip to northern Syria, where he met with members of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). The picture shows McCain posing with members of the FSA….not ISIS. Hondo is of the Hillary Clinton School of Hide and Deceive as he works through the back door to get her elected. Hondo believes he can post a photo of McCain with a members of the FSA and call them ISIS terrorists. Hondo posted just another of his MANY lies.

McCain went to northern Syria to meet with the FSA in an attempt to secure help for the FSA, an opposition group founded in 2011 during the Syrian Civil War with the intent of bringing down the government of Syrian president Bashar Hafez al-Assad. (This is what you should thank McCain for). Reports after McCain’s visit indicated that elements of the FSA were both battling ISIS militants and some were defecting to ISIS. That prompted liberal propagandizing idiots (hondo included) to begin the online circulation of the photograph from McCain's Syrian visit along with rumors that the McCain had posed for photographs "with ISIS militants." In particular, the photograph posted by Hondo is alleged to show McCain posing with Abu Bakr al- Baghdadi, the 1st Emir (and later the leader) of ISIS….the individual circled in red.

Those in the know would quickly realize that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was extremely unlikely to have been hanging around an FSA stronghold posing for photographs with an American politician in May 2013, and the person seen in the background of the above-displayed photograph (identified with a red circle) bears only a passing resemblance to al-Baghdadi, who in recent years has always sported a full beard. The individual circled in red has no full beard.

Moreover, as the New York Times reported, the "ISIS leader" seen in the photograph with Senator McCain was actually the commander of another Syrian rebel group allied with the FSA, not al-Baghdadi.

You can now either believe Hondo, believe me, check out sources to form your own “objective” conclusion….or just say: “Screw It!”

Sources:
Mahmood, Mona. "US Air Strikes in Syria Driving Anti-Assad Groups to Support ISIS."
      The Guardian. 23 November 2014.
DeYoung, Karen. "Kerry Says U.S. Will Expedite New Aid to Syrian Opposition."
      The Washington Post. 21 Aprli 2013.
Londoño, Ernesto and Greg Miller. "CIA Begins Weapons Delivery to Syrian Rebels."
      The Washington Post. 11 September 2013.
Gladstone, Rick. "Try as He May, John McCain Can’t Shake Falsehoods About Ties to ISIS."
      The New York Times. 11 September 2014.

You, Goldilucky, need to be reminded of something you and I discussed and agreed on before. That is to always search for the “TRUTH!”

Had you searched for the truth, you would have found this:

You are correct, Gatlin. I have found the truth and I am free from all the lies. And its right out of McCain's home state.

https://public.isishq.com/public/about/default.aspx

FEDERAL LAW

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2012/title-10/subtitle-a/part-i/chapter-13/section-311/

Subtitle A - General Military Law (§§ 101 - 2925)

Part I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS (§§ 101 - 498)

Chapter 13 - THE MILITIA (§§ 311 - 312)

Section 311 - Militia: composition and classes

THE MILITIA - 10 U.S.C. § 311 (2012)

§311. Militia: composition and classes

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, §1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, §524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

http://law.justia.com/codes/us/2012/title-10/subtitle-a/part-i/chapter-13/section-312/

Subtitle A - General Military Law (§§ 101 - 2925)

Part I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS (§§ 101 - 498)

Chapter 13 - THE MILITIA (§§ 311 - 312)

Section 312 - Militia duty: exemptions

THE MILITIA - 10 U.S.C. § 312 (2012)

§312. Militia duty: exemptions

(a) The following persons are exempt from militia duty:

(1) The Vice President.

(2) The judicial and executive officers of the United States, the several States, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

(3) Members of the armed forces, except members who are not on active duty.

(4) Customhouse clerks.

(5) Persons employed by the United States in the transmission of mail.

(6) Workmen employed in armories, arsenals, and naval shipyards of the United States.

(7) Pilots on navigable waters.

(8) Mariners in the sea service of a citizen of, or a merchant in, the United States.

(b) A person who claims exemption because of religious belief is exempt from militia duty in a combatant capacity, if the conscientious holding of that belief is established under such regulations as the President may prescribe. However, such a person is not exempt from militia duty that the President determines to be noncombatant.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 15; Pub. L. 100–456, div. A, title XII, §1234(a)(3), Sept. 29, 1988, 102 Stat. 2059; Pub. L. 109–163, div. A, title X, §1057(a)(7), Jan. 6, 2006, 119 Stat. 3441.)

This is not the America I was taught. That White House, before it had that fence, was open to the public and people could freely correspond with their representatives and president. Not anymore. I've even noticed since the early nineties, that after the Ruby Ridge standoff, that our police force was turned into a professional standing army. This is EXACTLY why Title 10 Sec 311 (b)(2) applies because it was installed to protect the common folk from professional standing armies used by a corrupt government to attack on its own citizenry and constituents.

http://www.snopes.com/john-mccain-meets-isis-leader/

Snopes = Cat Lady who finds progressive propaganda lies, through Google searches.

The same method used by the neonazi left wing-nut Gatlin! SPLC, ADL, SubvertedNation, and now Snopes!

John McCain Caught Again! Senator Photographed With ISIS Chief

John McCain has been caught red handed yet again, this time with ISIS terrorist leaders in Syria.

Senator McCain has courted controversy previously after a laptop belonging to one of his staffers was hacked, and a staged ISIS beheading was found in it.

This time photo’s have surfaced (which were previously broadcast worldwide) in which the Senator is hanging out with the same individuals who are allegedly causing trouble in Iraq and Syria.

It’s pretty bad when Al Arabiya, a Muslim Middle East news paper, makes fun of your statement that you can identify the “good guys” in Syria. It is another to get caught in the middle of funding, being filmed, and photographed with a terrorist organization. It seems John McCain either is a traitor, as his fellow Veterans from Vietnam call him, or he can’t tell a “moderate rebel” from the ISIS leader, who was also filmed with McCain despite the multi-million dollar contract on his head.

Let’s take a look at who he was photographed with shall we?

ISIS Terrorist Muahmmad Noor

According to Al Arabiya, a man identified as Muahmmad Noor can be seen – a member of the militant brigade. It gets even better with the next series.

Senator John McCain with ISIS Chief Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (circled left) and terrorist Muahmmad Noor (circled right).

John McCain speaking with ISIS chief Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi (aka Elliot Shimon) circled in red!

The last photo is courtesy of our own CNN, who photographed the man talking to John McCain face to face. If anyone is having trouble recognizing this man, I’ll give you a big hint. When they let him out of an Iraq prison in 2009, he said, “I’ll see you in New York.”

Simon Elliot (Elliot Shimon) aka Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi is a Mossad agent.

John McCain, Conductor of the "Arab Spring" and the Caliph

http://www.snopes.com/john-mccain-meets-isis-leader/

Snopes = Cat Lady who finds progressive propaganda lies, through Google searches.

The same method used by the neonazi left wing-nut Gatlin! SPLC, ADL, SubvertedNation, and now Snopes!

Unethical Website Of The Month: Bye-Bye Snopes…You’re Dead To Me Now [UPDATED 10/12/2016]

Thank you, nolo chan. I was almost close when I said 18 y.o.

The original age requirement was 18 to less than 45. Originally, only white citizens were included.

The Militia Act of 1792 did not exist when the Second Amendment was ratified in 1791, and said Militia Act was repealed and replaced in 1795.

At the time of the Framing and ratification of the Bill of Rights, the militia was viewed as a force for the people to defend against potential future usurpations of the federal government.

Madison, Federalist 46, re the Militia

The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger. That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism. Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.

The Militia Act of May 8, 1792

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Chap. XXXIII.—An Act more effectually to provide for the National Defence by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.(a)

Section 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That and by whom each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective states, resident therein, who is or shall be of the age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia by the captain or commanding officer of the company, within whose bounds such citi­zen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this act. And it shall at all times hereafter be the duty of every such cap­tain or commanding officer of a company to enrol every such citizen, as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of eighteen years, or being of the age of eighteen years and under the age of forty-five years (except as before excepted) shall come to re­side within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrolment, by a proper non-commissioned officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch with a box therein to contain not less than twenty-four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cart­ridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball: or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear, so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise, or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger and espontoon, and that from and after five years from the passing of this act, all muskets for arming the militia as herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for

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(a) The acts for the establishment of an uniform system for the government of the militia, are: An act more effectually to provide for the national defence by establishing an uniform militia throughout the United States, May 8, 1792, chap. 33; an act providing arms for the militia throughout the United States. July 6, 1798, chap. 65; an act in addition to an act entitled, “An act more effectually to provide for the national defence, by establishing an uniform militia throughout the United States,” March 2, 1803, chap. 15; an act more effectually to provide for the organizing of the militia of the District of Columbia, March 3, 1803, chap. 20; an act establishing rules and articles for the government of the armies of the United States, April 10, 1806, chap. 20; an act in addition to the act entitled, “An act to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and to repeal the act now in force for those purposes,” April 18. 1814, chap. 82; an act concerning field officers of the militia, April 20, 1816, chap. 64; an act to establish an uniform mode of discipline and field exercise for the militia of the United States, May 12, 1820, chap. 96; an act to reduce and fix the military peace establishment of the United States, March 2, 1821, chap. 12, sec. 14.

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balls of the eighteenth part of a pound. And every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, dis­tresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes.

Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That the Vice President of the United States; the officers judicial and executive of the government of the United States; the members of both Houses of Congress, and their respective officers; all custom-house officers with their clerks; all post-officers, and stage drivers, who are employed in the care and conveyance of the mail of the post-office of the United States; all ferrymen employed at any ferry on the post road; all inspectors of exports; all pilots; all mariners actually employed in the sea service of any citizen or mer­chant within the United States; and all persons who now are or may here­after be exempted by the laws of the respective states, shall be, and are exempted from militia duty, notwithstanding their being above the age of eighteen, and under the age of forty-five years.

Sec. 3. And be it further enacted, That within one year after the passing of this act, the militia of the respective states shall be arranged into divisions, brigades, regiments, battalions and companies, as the legislature of each state shall direct; and each division, brigade and regiment, shall be numbered at the formation thereof; and a record made of such numbers in the adjutant-general's office in the state; and when in the field, or in service in the state, each division, brigade and regi­ment shall respectively take rank according to their numbers, reckoning the first or lowest number highest in rank. That if the same be conve­nient, each brigade shall consist of four regiments; each regiment of two battalions; each battalion of five companies; each company of sixty-four privates. That the said militia shall be officered by the respective states, as follows: To each division, one major-general and two aids-de-camp, with the rank of major; to each brigade, one brigadier-general, with one brigade inspector, to serve also as brigade-major, with the rank of a major; to each regiment, one lieutenant-colonel comman­dant; and to each battalion one major; to each company one captain, one lieutenant, one ensign, four sergeants, four corporals, one drummer and one fifer or bugler. That there shall be a regimental staff, to consist of one adjutant and one quartermaster, to rank as lieutenants; one paymaster; one surgeon, and one surgeon's mate; one sergeant-major; one drum-major, and one fife-major.

Sec. 4. And be it further enacted, That out of the militia enrolled, as herein directed, there shall be formed for each battalion at least one company of grenadiers, light infantry or riflemen; and that to each division there shall be at least one company of artillery, and one troop of horse: there shall be to each company of artillery, one captain, two lieu­tenants, four sergeants, four corporals, six gunners, six bombadiers, one drummer, and one fifer. The officers to be armed with a sword or hanger, a fusee, bayonet and belt, with a cartridge-box to contain twelve cartridges; and each private or matross shall furnish himself with all the equipments of a private in the infantry, until proper ordnance and field artillery is provided. There shall be to each troop of horse, one captain, two lieutenants, one cornet, four sergeants, four corporals, one saddler, one farrier, and one trumpeter. The commissioned officers to furnish them­selves with good horses of at least fourteen hands and an half high, and to be armed with a sword and pair of pistols, the holsters of which to be covered with bearskin caps. Each dragoon to furnish himself with a serviceable horse, at least fourteen hands and an half high, a good saddle, bridle, mailpillion and valise, holsters, and a breast-plate and crupper, a pair of boots and spurs, a pair of pistols, a sabre, and a cartouch-box, to contain twelve cartridges for pistols. That each company of artillery; and troop of horse shall be formed of volunteers from the brigade, at the

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discretion of the commander-in-chief of the state, not exceeding one company of each to a regiment, nor more in number than one eleventh part of the infantry, and shall be uniformly clothed in regimentals, to be furnished at their own expense; the colour and fashion to be determined by the brigadier commanding the brigade to which they belong.

Sec. 5. And be it further enacted, That each battalion and regi­ment shall be provided with the state and regimental colours by the field officers, and each company with a drum and fife, or bugle-horn, by the commissioned officers of the company, in such manner as the legis­lature of the respective states shall direct.

Sec. 6. And be it further enacted, That there shall be an adjutant-general appointed in each state, whose duty it shall be to distribute all or­ders from the commander-in-chief of the state to the several corps; to attend all public reviews when the commander-in-chief of the state shall review the militia, or any part thereof; to obey all orders from him relative to car­rying into execution and perfecting the system of military discipline esta­blished by this act; to furnish blank forms of different returns that maybe required, and to explain the principles on which they should be made; to re­ceive from the several officers of the different corps throughout the state, returns of the militia under their command, reporting the actual situation of their arms, accoutrements, and ammunition, their delinquencies, and every other thing which relates to the general advancement of good order and discipline: all which the several officers of the divisions, bri­gades, regiments, and battalions, are hereby required to make in the usual manner, so that the said adjutant-general may be duly furnished therewith: from all which returns he shall make proper abstracts, and lay the same annually before the commander-in-chief of the state.

Sec. 7. And be it further enacted, That the rules of discipline, ap­proved and established by Congress in their resolution of the twenty-ninth of March, one thousand seven hundred and seventy-nine, shall be the rules of discipline to be observed by the militia throughout the Uni­ted States, except such deviations from the said rules as may be rendered necessary by the requisitions of this act, or by some other unavoidable circumstances. It shall be the duty of the commanding officer at every muster, whether by battalion, regiment, or single company, to cause the militia to be exercised and trained agreeably to the said rules of disci­pline.

Sec. 8. And be it further enacted, That all commissioned officers shall take rank according to the date of their commissions; and when two of the same grade bear an equal date, then their rank to be deter­mined by lot, to be drawn by them before the commanding officer of the brigade, regiment, battalion, company, or detachment.

Sec. 9. And be it further enacted, That if any person, whether offi­cer or soldier, belonging to the militia of any state, and called out into the service of the United States, be wounded or disabled while in ac­tual service, he shall be taken care of and provided for at the public expense.

Sec. 10. And be it further enacted, That it shall be the duty of the brigade-inspector to attend the regimental and battalion meetings of the militia composing their several brigades, during the time of their being under arms, to inspect their arms, ammunition, and accoutrements; su­perintend their exercise and manoeuvres, and introduce the system of military discipline before described throughout the brigade, agreeable to law, and such orders as they shall from time to time receive from the commander-in-chief of the state; to make returns to the adjutant-gene­ral of the state, at least once in every year, of the militia of the brigade to which he belongs, reporting therein the actual situation of the arms, accoutrements, and ammunition of the several corps, and every other thing which, in his judgment, may relate to their government and the

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general advancement of good order and military discipline; and the adjutant-general shall make a return of aD the militia of the state to the commander-in-chief of the said state, and a duplicate of the same to the President of the United States.

And whereas sundry corps of artillery, cavalry, and infantry now exist in several of the said states, which by the laws, customs, or usages thereof have not been incorporated with, or subject to the general regulations of the militia:

Sec. 11. Be it further enacted, That such corps retain their accus­tomed privileges, subject, nevertheless, to all other duties required by this act, in like manner with the other militia.

Approved, May 8, 1792.

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Thanks, I have seen the age requirement to be a member of the unauthorized militia a number of times, including here on this thread: Post #6 - goldilucky posted on 2016-11-04 13:45:19 ET.

I couldn’t understand why Goldilucky did not know the age requirement since she had clearly posted that information. Oh well …

Anyway, I was primarily poking fun at hondo68 and Deckard because the information was already posted on this thread and yet in displaying their stupidity while failing to keep up on a discussion they are partaking in, they insisted they are members of the unauthorized militia and even tried to erroneously include me in it. I knew that I was not eligible to be a member.

While I was not eligible to be a member of the unauthorized militia after passing age 45….as a retired Air Force officer, I was however eligible to be recalled to active duty under the provisions of 10 U.S. Code § 688 until I attained the age of 60.

unauthorized militia

Technicality - should be unorganized militia. It is very authorized.

I couldn’t understand why Goldilucky did not know the age requirement since she had clearly posted that information. Oh well …

I was unsure what the age requirement was but thanks to nolu chan that has been answered.

However, I disagree that after age 45 one is not eligible as it does says in in the Second Amendment, "able-bodied" citizens. Deckard and hondo68 are correct when they include you. We are all members of the militia. However, the other class is recognized as (yourself) the professional army which is under control of the state governors as directed by the President of the U.S.

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

You are trying to tell everyone that we am suppose to believe it when “some bloggers claim that two of the rebel leaders seen in the photos with McCain look very much like leaders of the Islamic State: Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Muahmmad Noor."

It has been claimed by a number of people that I look like Gregory Peck.

Wait, let me post a picture like your bloggers did.

Whatta you think?

You and Deckard need to stay off of whatever it is that causes you to hallucinate and think irrationally.

Believe a “claim” from some bloggers?”

ROTFLAMO …

However, I disagree that after age 45 one is not eligible as it does says in in the Second Amendment, "able-bodied" citizens.

No, this is just wrong, and Gatlin is correct.

Federal law defines who is a member of the militia.

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

We are not all members of the militia.

It is not like we join. By Federal law, the militia is composed of able-bodied males at least 17 years old and less than 45 years old and female members of the National Guard.

I am not in the militia, and not eligible for recall to active duty. After 20 years active duty, and 10 years in the Fleet Reserve (inactive reserve), I transferred to the retired rolls. I believe Gatlin is similarly situated and is not in the militia. If one cannot legally be conscripted to active duty, one is not in the militia.

It is not like joining a club. It is basically a legal definition of who is eligible for the draft.

It is an incorrect term.

Pull yourself up by the bootstraps son, you're in the Unorganized Militia!

The correct term for you is, Maggot.

It’s not like the same smell test that you and Deckard would die to perform on Hillary.

I am talking about a REAL political smell test.

The Democratic Party is pumping MEGA BUCKS into advertising for John McCain’s Democratic opponent here in Arizona. There have been some atrociously negative ads by Ann Kirkpatrick against McCain. But at NO time has she ONCE ever mentioned in any way his alleged meeting with ISIS leaders in northern Syria.

If there had been one iota of evidence that such a meeting had occurred, I can assure that Ann Kirkpatrick and the Dim Party would have plastered those pictures on statewide TV channels all day long every day….and they would have been effective. There has NOT been ONE time it has ever been mentioned….EVER.

So, since Ann Kirkpatrick will not show those pictures or even mention the alleged meeting happening and thereby giving absolutely no credence to your conspiracy theory….just how in the Hell do you ever expect anyone, except your fellow CTers and anti-government haters, to believe for one minute it happened? You CAN”T …

You may or course continue to nurture the conspiracy blogposts, social media and photo-altering tricks while trying to promote the false rumors of McCain’s relationship with ISIS….in the meantime, I am moving on.

That is not an assumptive statement. That is a fact. You are a public servant who is compensated to protect public officials and diplomats from the commoners. When the commoners even approach these high profile entities, they are immediately vetted out as if they are dangerous or scum. Worst of this is that the commoners are referred to as the great unwashed and belligerants.

Will you please explain the meaning of this to me if you understand it?

Federal law defines...

When the SHTF, your federal "definitions" won't mean squat.

When "Federal Law defines" that no firearm is allowed for civilian use, I'm sure you be a good little slave and turn in your neighbors who own guns.

What a stooge!

our stupidity is still showing…

When the SHTF, your federal "definitions" won't mean squat.

When "Federal Law defines" that no firearm is allowed for civilian use, I'm sure you be a good little slave and turn in your neighbors who own guns.

When shit becomes brains, I am sure you will become a towering genius.

Your bullshit will never mean squat.

What a stooge!

I am not the blithering idiot who professes belief in this nonsense:

[Deckard #28] What David Icke refers to as reptilians I believe are actually what Christians refer to as demons.

There's no doubt in my mind that all high level politicians (including but not limited to the Bushes and Clintons) are demon possessed.

... reptilian race from another dimension has been controlling planet Earth for thousands of years?

He backs up those claims with irrefutable evidence.

The commoners are on their own. www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.html

http://www.sfgate.com/news/artic...ia-First-post-2651644.php

And here too

www.yenisafak.com/en/colu...bolizes-terrorism-2031662

Police Have No Duty To Protect Individuals

The answer is: You do.

To avoid becoming a victim, you need to take charge of your own safety. While there are no guarantees, actively turning your thoughts and actions toward self-defense can help lower chances of becoming a victim. There's a saying in the martial arts world that the best form of self-defense is not putting yourself in a position where you have to defend yourself….we all have a responsibility to be safe. You always avoid dangerous situations in the first place and know how to defend yourself if you do find you're in them. You need to continually think and act defensively. Then you have hope not become a victim….instead, you are an active defender of your own life and property.

Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke advised local residents to buy firearms because “calling 911” might not be good enough. Clarke told residents that personal protection and safety was no longer a spectator sport: “I need you in the game.” “With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option,” Clarke said. “You could beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back.”

citizens who are not licensed to carry a firearm….get licensed.

Don't listen to this horrible advise to REGISTER your guns, for confiscation.

Registration leads to confiscation! Let Gatlin register HIS guns and go to the FEMA camp.

Gatlin and Nolu at the FEMA Camp (Red Dawn)

You register privileges to defend yourself but not Rights, Gatlin.

Bucky already did ...

tater, do a favour for me .... don't ping me to your lame comments.

And all I got for my request is your obvious love of 0bama.

...why you are one of the canaries.

You always loved yukon. I see all the reasons …

Love God with all you have; Love neighbor as yourself.
    redleghunter posted on 2016-11-06 21:00:48 ET

Do you think you are threat to LF? I think you are a laff a minute

I am a threat to no one....laughter is good for the sould.

You are a clear threat to ALL Americans.

It is pretty bad, tater.

ood for the sould

Turd Party!

A well-regulated militia is supposed to protect people from the state — not fight for a political candidate.

This is rich coming from yella freethought project garbage.

If Ron Paultard was in Trumps shoes at this very moment, you filthy assholes would be acting more rabid than the Trump supporters. So shut the fuck up, anarchist drug addict loving, liberal hippie bastard.

fuck up, anarchist drug addict loving, liberal hippie bastard

Are ya Trump trippin' bro?

You license for confiscation.

You license for avoiding arrest.
Your ass gets confiscated off to jail if you conceal carry in many states without a license.
Three caught, arrested for carrying gun without permit in Kanawha County, WV.

... Eric Holder who aid and abet in the distributing of unlicensed and tampered with serial numbers of guns to Mexico ...

If your are talking about Fast and Furious....that began in 2006 under Bush….right?

... to the buyers in the White House.

Source?

Eric Holder who […] tampered with serial numbers of guns to Mexico …

Where did you read the serial numbers were tampered with?

It was important for the serial numbers to remain unaltered so the weapons could be traced. ATF was “hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them.” How was the ATF to track the guns if the serial numbers were tampered with?

One of the guns used in the November 13, 2015 Paris terrorist attacks came “Fast and Furious.” Authorities determined this from the “unaltered” serial number.

If your are talking about Fast and Furious....that began in 2006 under Bush….right?

You should know this already, Gatlin.

Fast and Furious occurred under Obama administration

www.breitbart.com/big-gov...rivilege-claim-documents/

https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/other-consequences-fast-and-furious

One significant emerging source of AR-15/M16 variants is something called an 80 percent lower receiver. (The lower receiver is the part of the AR-15/M16/M4 that carries a manufacturer's serial number. These 80 percent lower receivers do not have any serial numbers.) Under U.S. federal firearms law, the unfinished lower receiver is not considered a firearm and thus can be shipped anywhere and sold to anyone without a license. Once the remaining machining on the lower receiver is completed, one can build an AR-15, M16 or M4 carbine by purchasing the additional required parts — such as the bolt assembly, trigger assembly and barrel — which also are not considered firearms. Once the weapon is fully assembled, it is then considered a firearm and subject to federal firearms law.

https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/other-consequences-fast-and-furious

I had not seen this....thanks.

That is puzzling because the “purpose of Fast and Furious was to track the guns with a paper trail using a 4473 form, which documents a guns ownership history by serial numbers.”

https://medium.com/@MexConex/cia-drug-money-scandal-engulfs-white-house-congress-20d4b9e0dd78#.vgkia98ga

Thanks.

If anybody needs to be arrested, cuffed and jailed it is those public servants and officers shipping unmarked built guns to drug traffickers outside the US who are never searched bv ICE or Customs but are given free pass thanks to NAFTA/GATT. In return, it is those same people bringing in those shitloads of cocaine, heroin, and maryjane into the White House. And the people who know this info are those working in the intelligence.

Goldilucky: You license for confiscation.
Gatlin: You license for avoiding arrest.
Gatlin; Your ass gets confiscated off to jail if you conceal carry in many states without a license.

Goldilucky: You license for confiscation.
Gatlin: You license for avoiding arrest.
Gatlin: I stand by my point.
Goldilucky: And I stand by mine.

To help me understand your point, can you provide a link to show:
     Three caught, arrested for carrying gun with permit….and had gun confiscated.

Gatlin: If your are talking about Fast and Furious....that began in 2006 under Bush….right?

Goldilucky: You should know this already, Gatlin.
Fast and Furious occurred under Obama administration.

You should know this already, Goldilucky.
      A program to track suspicious weapons began under the Bush administration in 2006. It was called “Operation Wide Receiver.” The program allowed gun sales to go forward even when the ATF had probable cause to believe the sales were unlawful….right?

The “gun walking” program was “revived” under the Obama administration and called “Fast and Furious.”

Paraphrasing the frequently referenced “a rose is still a rose” part of William Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet:
     “A gun walking program by any other name is still a gun walking program.”