A rigged election is almost a certainty and should most definitely be resisted.

How?

While peaceful militias are certainly healthy for protecting the citizens from the violence of a rogue state, a report out of Reuters shows that militias are now preparing to act if their statist doesn’t win.

Act? Like go on twitter and complain about it?

Act?

Militia is a misnomer that should never be used to categorize these nefarious groups.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

Just like the Paultard libertarian assholes who attempt to occupy limited space on LF, all these hoodlums do is “huff” while they never have any “puff.” They both just make noisy empty statements with no empirical support.

They think that expressing themselves in a loud, aggressive, and indignant way will have some some effect….but in the end, bluster is all they have.

Act? Like go on twitter and complain about it?

Go out in the woods, drink, smoke, belch, fart, and shoot some trees.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

That is not true.

Title 10 Section 311 Part (b)(2) fits the above which is not only a legal organization but fits within the confines of the constitution of the USA.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are— (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, § 1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, § 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

They think that expressing themselves in a loud, aggressive, and indignant way will have some some effect….but in the end, bluster is all they have.

Seems so. They give MSNBC types something else to complain about.

The Second Amendment was implemented because when our armies had to defend ourselves against the Benedict Arnolds betraying our country, it became the duty of every able-bodied citizen to defend their home (not homeland) from a professional standing army; an army that does not represent them at all but serves at the pleasure of a modern day Benedict Arnold who would deliver them unto their enemies.

Now try and explain that to a journalist.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

That is not true.

[...]

I am referring to those who have hijacked the noble and patriotic “militia” name and consist mainly of armed paramilitary groups with an anti-government conspiracy-oriented ideology….groups who call themselves “militia” that began to form shortly after the deadly Waco standoff and have now spread to every state.

The “militia” movement along with the sovereign citizen movement and the tax protest movement have seared themselves into the American consciousness. Many members of “militia” groups have been arrested, usually on weapons, explosives and conspiracy charges thereby causing a number of problems for law enforcement and the communities in which "militia" groups are active

Prominent “militia” arrests: Multiple members of the following groups have been arrested and convicted, usually on weapons, explosives, or conspiracy charges: Oklahoma Constitutional Militia, Georgia Republic Militia, Arizona Viper Militia, Washington State Militia, West Virginia Mountaineer Militia, Twin Cities Free Militia, North American Militia, San Joaquin County Militia.

I agree in principle with the factual definition of “militia” in your post. In light of day reality, I will continue to stand by my statement:

Militia is a misnomer that should never be used to categorize these nefarious groups.

They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

Just like the Paultard libertarian assholes who attempt to occupy limited space on LF, all these hoodlums do is “huff” while they never have any “puff.” They both just make noisy empty statements with no empirical support. They think that expressing themselves in a loud, aggressive, and indignant way will have some some effect….but in the end, bluster is all they have.

A well-regulated militia is supposed to protect people from the state…

I fear not since their extreme anti-government ideology combined with their elaborate conspiracy theories and obsessive fascination with weapons and paramilitary organization has lead many members of the “militias” to act out in ways that justify deep concerns.

Three members of a Kansas militia group were charged Friday with plotting to bomb an apartment complex that’s home to Somali immigrants in the western Kansas meatpacking town of Garden City, a thwarted attack prosecutors say was planned for the day after the November election. ¹

A ranking member of the Louisiana Tactical Militia was arrested this week on drug and gun charges by the FBI’s domestic terror team in New Orleans. James Moore, 46, of Talisheek, Louisiana, was allegedly involved in trafficking large quantities of meth and claimed to have access to more than 80 firearms, the Justice Department said. ²

Thirty-six members of 3% of Idaho, many in leadership positions, announced their resignations Tuesday evening after they said $2,901 in donations earmarked for four Idaho men accused in the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff in Nevada were improperly spent. ³ [They even lie, cheat and steal among themselves].

Twelve members of an anti-government group called the "Viper Militia" have been arrested in Phoenix Arizona. Their arrest was the culmination of a six-month investigation that allegedly uncovered a plot to blow up several government buildings in the Phoenix area. ⁴

An anti-government militia with ties to Fort Stewart is accused of killing two people and plotting to kill President Barack Obama. ⁵

Three members of a border militia group are behind bars, charged with conspiracy to sell cocaine. They were caught in an FBI sting operation, involving an undercover agent, a plot to steal drugs and money from cartel smugglers, an offer of murder for hire and a high speed chase through the streets of Phoenix. ⁶

Just know this, Gatlin. Before Barbara Olson died on Sept 11, 2001, she had just finished her book, Hell to Pay in reference to Hillary Clinton. It is not the militias of this country that your ilk should be concerned about for they care about where this country is going. It is those that you protect (such as Hillary Clinton) who will deliver this country over to our enemies. Remember that she did this to US Ambassador Christoper Stevens.

Randy Weaver ...

we are discussing “militia.” In order for me to respond to your post, you will need to please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of.

please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of

The unorganized militia. The same one that you and I are in.

…federal agents who shot and killed his [Randy Weaver’s] wife and child in the face.

I remember you stated in a previous post you always want the truth and that is important to you. Just to be technically truthful….Randy’s wife was not shot in the face. An HRT sniper fired at an armed Kevin Harris, a family friend staying with the Weavers, as he ran for cover….but hit Weaver's wife, Vicki, in the head. She was also running and may have entered into the line of fire.

It has been a long time, if this information is not correct….I certainly stand to be corrected.

I will comment some more as we exchange posts.

please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of

The unorganized militia. The same one that you and I are in.

Oh?

Just what is the age requirement to be a member of the militia you allege that you and I are in?

The same one that you and I are in.

You and I are in the "unorganized militia".

As far as Gatlin - the SPLC has told him "militias bad".

You've seen his numerous hit pieces on militias and pro-freedom groups like Oathkeepers.

Gatlin no doubt thinks Weaver's wife "got what she deserved".

It is those that you protect …

Gatlin no doubt thinks Weaver's wife "got what she deserved".

You don’t have any idea what I think?

I agree that the US Marshals screwed up at Ruby Ridge.

As far as Gatlin - the SPLC has told him "militias bad".

Nine militia members arrested in cop killing conspiracy in Midwest United States.

The “child” was 14-year-old boy who shot Bill Degan in retaliation for the shooting of the Weaver’s dog and then a running Sammy was shot in the back by a dying Bill Degan and/or other federal agents.

Randy’s wife was not shot in the face. An HRT sniper fired at an armed Kevin Harris, a family friend staying with the Weavers, as he ran for cover….but hit Weaver's wife, Vicki, in the head.

You are seriously misinformed.

Vicki was murdered by an FBI sniper named Lon Horiuchi. It was no "accident" as you seem to claim, in fact Horiuchi testified in court that he could hit within a quarter inch of a target at a distance of 200 yards.

Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for the death of Vicki Weaver

Ruby Ridge: FBI Sniper Slays Mother Holding her Baby

On Aug. 21, 1992, six heavily armed, camouflaged U.S. marshals sneaked onto Mr. Weaver’s property. Three agents threw rocks to get the attention of Mr. Weaver’s dogs. As Mr. Weaver’s 14-year-old son, Sammy, and Kevin Harris, a 25- year-old family friend living in the cabin, ran to see what the dogs were barking at, U.S. marshals killed one of the dogs.

Sammy Weaver fired his gun in the direction the shots had come from. Randy Weaver came out and hollered for his son to come back to the cabin. Sammy yelled, “I’m coming, Dad,” and was running back to the cabin when a federal marshal shot him in the back and killed him.

Kevin Harris responded to Sammy’s shooting by fatally shooting a U.S. marshal. Federal agents falsely testified in court that the U.S. marshal had been killed by the first shot of the exchange; evidence later showed that the marshal had fired seven shots before he was shot himself. (Self-defense)

After the death of the U.S. marshal, the commander of the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team was called in, and ordered federal agents to shoot any armed adult outside the Weaver cabin, regardless of whether that person was doing anything to threaten or menace federal agents. (Thanks to the surveillance, federal officials knew that the Weavers always carried guns when outside their cabin.)

With the massive federal firepower surrounding the cabin — the automatic weapons, the sniper rifles, the night vision scopes — this was practically an order to assassinate the alleged wrongdoers. Four hundred government agents quickly swarmed in the mountains around the cabin. Most important, the federal agents at that time made no effort to contact Mr. Weaver to negotiate his surrender.

The next day, Aug. 22, Randy Weaver walked to the little shack where his son’s body lay. As he was lifting the latch on the shack’s door, he was shot from behind by FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi. As he struggled back to the cabin, his wife, Vicki, stood in the doorway, holding a 10-month-old baby in her arms and calling for her husband to hurry. The FBI sniper fired again and hit Vicki Weaver in the temple, killing her instantly.

You don’t have any idea what I think?

I know from your numerous posts on the topic that you believe it's justified for a law enforcement officer of any agency to murder with impunity.

Whom am I “protecting?”

Your Senator John McCain, and his ISIS militia. Do you deny that you're voting for Jihad Johnny?

Gatlin's dream Militia group, ISIS

I know from your numerous posts on the topic that you believe it's justified for a law enforcement officer of any agency to murder with impunity.

Nah....you do NOT know that.

That is only something you make yourself believe because I do not buy into your yellow journalism articles and consistently expose their incongruities.

No LEO from any agency should ever murder with impunity.

tater's Senator of choice lives around the corner fom tater's favorite "Ike's liquor store."

Nope!

Normally he is not my Senator of choice. I did not vote for him last time in the primary or general election. However, after carefully considering the opposing candidates in the primary and general election….I could not wait to vote for him this time.

Furthermore, I know exactly where he lives while he is in Phoenix and where he lives when he is at his ranch. There are no liquor stores within miles of either location.

By the way, I see you are still at your same old address. One would have thought that you had bleed enough money from the lucrative government contracts you work on sucking the government’s money teat to upgrade just a little bit.

I see that you are still pimping for gay politicians.

Oh, well ...

please inform me which “militia” was Randy Weaver a member of

The unorganized militia. The same one that you and I are in.

Oh?

Just what is the age requirement to be a member of the militia you allege that you and I are in?

You [Hondo] and I are in the "unorganized militia".

According to the Militia Act of 1903, there is an age requirement to be a member of the unorganized militia.

What is that age?

I could not wait to vote for him (McStain)this time.

Yep - that pretty much tells me all I need to know about your brand of "conservatism".

I could not wait to vote for him (McStain)this time. Yep - that pretty much tells me all I need to know about your brand of "conservatism".

Yep - But it does not tell you about the brand of "liberalism" his Democratic opponent represents.

Just like I voted for Donald Trump to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House....I voted for John McCain to keep liberal Ann Kirkpatrick out of the Senate.

You should be most grateful for my efforts for partly keeping the Senate from going to the extreme far left. But then, I realize that you don't have sense enough to appreciate anything except anarchy and cop-haters.

You should be most grateful for my efforts for partly keeping the Senate from going to the extreme far left.

Oh man - you can't get any more left than McCain.

Good grief!

Oh man - you can't get any more left than McCain.

Good grief!

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even know who Ann Kirkpatrick is?

The more you post....the dumber you get.

Geezze ...

Edit: Besides, Ann would support Hillary's SCOTUS nominations if they both win.

Think ahead....at least sometime. Oh, I just remembered, you can't.

You [Hondo] and I are in the "unorganized militia".

According to the Militia Act of 1903, there is an age requirement to be a member of the unorganized militia.

What is that age?

And since you mention that the government did admit they made a grievous mistake, did they ever compensate the Weaver family?

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25119439?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

I do not know what the age requirement is but it may be 18 (the same as those required to sign up for selective service)

During the Revolution of 1776, Militiamen were adult white males from small towns throughout North America; since the end of the French and Indian War in 1763, all adult males between fifteen and 60 had to enroll in their local militia company.

If the Mel Gibson movie "The Patriot" is accurate, there were kids younger than that.

War in The American Revolution

You protect public officers and officials and diplomats such as the following: city council members, governors, the President of the United States, the Pope and other public figures.

And since you mention that the government did admit they made a grievous mistake, did they ever compensate the Weaver family?

But since you asked….Yes, they were compensated to the tune of $3.1 million taxpayers dollars.

We need to be reminded that the United States government created ISIS.

Either maliciously or stupidly. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that it was merely stupidity on John's part.

What a frigging pigeon! All ISIS had to do get our taxpayers' funding was briefly pretend that they were more moderate than the other terrorist groups. I can imagine the ISIS start-up planning session.

"Seriously, I'm not kidding. All we gotta do to get free military weapons and millions in cash, that we can use to buy sex slaves and child brides, is to smile and not behead anyone during during the visit." --Mohammed (no, I don't know which one)

I do not know what the age requirement is but it may be 18 (the same as those required to sign up for selective service)

However from what you mention, it appears that this very act only applied to the professional standing armies.

I remember reading on the account that the wife and baby were shot. The wife was unarmed.

During the Revolution of 1776, Militiamen were adult white males from small towns throughout North America …

Washington wrote: “I am wearied to death all day with a variety of perplexing circumstances, disturbed at the conduct of the militia, whose behavior and want of discipline has done great injury to the other troops, who never had officers, except in a few instances, worth the bread they eat. I never was in such an unhappy, divided state since I was born.” [Boldness Added].

Well able-bodied means just that and I don't see an issue with age requirement considering that the Israeli children are taught as young as 5 y.o.

Yes, able-bodied does mean just that and that is not the issue. Neither is the issue what the Israeli children are taught, the question is the age requirement to be a member of the American “unauthorized militia.”

Gatlin: They are not “a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.” They are a [vigilante] group of hoodlums who will do nothing more than continue to go out in the woods and “play games.”

Goldilucky: That is not true.

Book Definition:

A vigilante group is an armed private group that has taken the law into its own hands or that has the announced potential of doing so. There are quite a number of such organizations in the contemporary United States, and many have members who are said to be anti-government, racist, or both.

The New York Times (5/10/95) states:

"… 41 states bar or regulate armed paramilitary groups...Twenty-four states have laws banning private military organizations or militias and 24, including 7 with anti-militia laws, have laws banning private paramilitary training that is meant to or likely to produce civil disorder ...There is a long legal history to militia issues, dating back to 1886 when the Supreme Court ruled in Presser v. Illinois that an Illinois law was constitutional."

The state laws fall into a number of categories. Some states have no laws regarding unauthorized military groups. Some, such as Connecticut, require the groups to register with the state and annually file a membership list. Others ban unauthorized military organizations regardless of the purpose of the organization. Some states only ban these organizations if the purpose of the group is meant to or likely to produce civil disorder. Many of these same states prohibit parading by unauthorized armed groups through towns or cities.

Here is a listing of the statutory sources for each state law.

States with Both Anti-Militia and Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws (7)

-Florida. FLA. STAT. ANN. ch. 870.06, 790.29.
-Georgia. GA. CODE ANN. ss 38-2-277, 16-11-150 to -152.
-Idaho. IDAHO CODE ss 46-802, 18-8101 to -8105.
-Illinois. ILL. REV. STAT. ch. 1805, para. 94-95.
-New York. N.Y. MIL. LAW s 240.
-North Carolina. N.C. GEN. STAT. ss 127A-151, 14-288.20.
-Rhode Island. R.I. GEN. LAWS ss 30-12-7, 11-55-1 to -3.

States with Anti-Militia Laws Only (17)

-Alabama. ALA. CODE s 31-2-125.
-Arizona. ARIZ. REV. STAT. ANN. s 26-123.
-Iowa. IOWA CODE s 29A.31.
-Kansas. KAN. STAT. ANN. s 48-203.
-Kentucky. KY. REV. STAT. ANN. s 38.440.
-Maine. ME. REV. STAT. ANN. tit. 37-B, s 342.2.
-Maryland. MD. CODE ANN. art. 65, s 35.
-Massachusetts. MASS. GEN. L. ch. 33, s 129-132.
-Minnesota. MINN. STAT. s 624.61.
-Mississippi. MISS. CODE ANN. $ 33-1-31.
-Nevada. NEV. REV. STAT. s 203-080.
-New Hampshire. N.H. REV. STAT. ANN. s 111:15.
-North Dakota. N.D. CENT. CODE s 37-01-21.
-Texas. TEX. GOV'T CODE ANN. s 431.010.
-Washington. WASH. REV. CODE s 38.40.120.
-West Virginia. W. VA. CODE s 15-1F-7.
-Wyoming. WYO. STAT. s 19-1-106.

States with Anti-Paramilitary Training Laws Only (17)

-Arkansas. ARK. CODE s 5-71-301 to -303.
-California. CAL. PENAL CODE s 11460.
-Colorado. COLO. REV. STAT. s 18-9-120.
-Connecticut. CONN. GEN. STAT. s 53-206b.
-Louisiana. LA. REV. STAT. ANN. s 117.1.
-Michigan. MICH. COMP. LAWS s 750.528a.
-Missouri. MO. REV. STAT. s 574.070.
-Montana. MONT. CODE ANN. s 45-8-109.
-Nebraska. NEB. REV. STAT. s 28-1480 to -1482.
-New Jersey. N.J. REV. STAT. s 2C:39-14.
-New Mexico. N.M. STAT. ANN. s 30-20A-1 to -4.
-Oklahoma. OKLA. STAT. ANN. tit. 21, s 1321.10.
-Oregon. OR. REV. STAT. s 166.660.
-Pennsylvania. 18 PA. CONS. STAT. s 5515.
-South Carolina. S.C. CODE ANN. s 16-8-10 to -30.
-Tennessee. TENN. CODE ANN. s 39-17-314.
-Virginia. VA. CODE ANN. s 18.2-433.1 to -433.3.

http://archive.adl.org/mwd/faq5.html.

Hondo: Your Senator John McCain, and his ISIS militia.

Goldilucky: Thank you [hondo] for posting that image.

Goldilucky: You can thank John McCain for that one.

We need to be reminded that the United States government created ISIS.

Had you searched for the truth, you would have found this:

The photo was taken in May 2013, while Mccain was on a trip to northern Syria, where he met with members of the Free Syrian Army (FSA). The picture shows McCain posing with members of the FSA….not ISIS. Hondo is of the Hillary Clinton School of Hide and Deceive as he works through the back door to get her elected. Hondo believes he can post a photo of McCain with a members of the FSA and call them ISIS terrorists. Hondo posted just another of his MANY lies.

McCain went to northern Syria to meet with the FSA in an attempt to secure help for the FSA, an opposition group founded in 2011 during the Syrian Civil War with the intent of bringing down the government of Syrian president Bashar Hafez al-Assad. (This is what you should thank McCain for). Reports after McCain’s visit indicated that elements of the FSA were both battling ISIS militants and some were defecting to ISIS. That prompted liberal propagandizing idiots (hondo included) to begin the online circulation of the photograph from McCain's Syrian visit along with rumors that the McCain had posed for photographs "with ISIS militants." In particular, the photograph posted by Hondo is alleged to show McCain posing with Abu Bakr al- Baghdadi, the 1st Emir (and later the leader) of ISIS….the individual circled in red.

Those in the know would quickly realize that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was extremely unlikely to have been hanging around an FSA stronghold posing for photographs with an American politician in May 2013, and the person seen in the background of the above-displayed photograph (identified with a red circle) bears only a passing resemblance to al-Baghdadi, who in recent years has always sported a full beard. The individual circled in red has no full beard.

Moreover, as the New York Times reported, the "ISIS leader" seen in the photograph with Senator McCain was actually the commander of another Syrian rebel group allied with the FSA, not al-Baghdadi.

You can now either believe Hondo, believe me, check out sources to form your own “objective” conclusion….or just say: “Screw It!”

Sources:
Mahmood, Mona. "US Air Strikes in Syria Driving Anti-Assad Groups to Support ISIS."
      The Guardian. 23 November 2014.
DeYoung, Karen. "Kerry Says U.S. Will Expedite New Aid to Syrian Opposition."
      The Washington Post. 21 Aprli 2013.
Londoño, Ernesto and Greg Miller. "CIA Begins Weapons Delivery to Syrian Rebels."
      The Washington Post. 11 September 2013.
Gladstone, Rick. "Try as He May, John McCain Can’t Shake Falsehoods About Ties to ISIS."
      The New York Times. 11 September 2014.

You, Goldilucky, need to be reminded of something you and I discussed and agreed on before. That is to always search for the “TRUTH!”

Had you searched for the truth, you would have found this:

You are correct, Gatlin. I have found the truth and I am free from all the lies. And its right out of McCain's home state.

https://public.isishq.com/public/about/default.aspx