Obamacare Architect: The Law Is Working As Designed, We Need a Larger Mandate Penalty
by Ian Hanchett
Breitbart
26 Oct 2016
On Wednesdays broadcast of CNN Newsroom, MIT Economics Professor and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber argued that The law is working as designed. However, it could work better. And I think probably the most important thing experts would agree on is that, we need a larger mandate penalty.
Gruber said, Obamacares not imploding. The main goal of Obamacare was two-fold. One was to cover the uninsured, of which weve covered 20 million, the largest expansion in american history. The other was to fix broken insurance markets where insurors could deny people insurance just because they were sick or they had been sick. Those have been fixed, and for the vast majority of Americans, costs in those markets have come down, thanks to the subsidies made available under Obamacare.
When asked about the 22% Obamacare premium increases, Gruber stated, the 22% increase, lets remember who that applies to. That applies to a very small fraction of people, who have to buy insurance without the subsidies that are available. 85% of people buying insurance on the exchanges get subsidies. And for those people, this premium increase doesnt affect them. Now, for those remaining people, that is a problem, and thats something that we need to address, but its not a crisis. It doesnt mean the systems collapsing. And most importantly, it doesnt affect the 150 million Americans who get employer insurance, who have actually seen their premiums fall dramatically, relative to what was expected before Obamacare.
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#1: nolu chan To: All (#0)
So why talk about a penalty at all?
A penalty can be raised as desired. So, they make believe it is a penalty again.
nolu chan posted on 2016-10-27 17:57:39 Reply Private Reply
#2: nolu chan To: All (#0)
There is such a thing as a tax penalty, but that is not a penalty in the form of a tax. That is a penalty, imposed under law, for not paying taxes.
The mandate was upheld as an excise tax, not for those who break a law, but upon the class of people who do not have health insurance. The plenary taxing power permits a tax upon a defined class of people. But it cannot be a penalty or punitive. Then it would fall outside the taxing power and be unconstitutional, as explicitly stated by Chief Justice in NFIB.
Aside from the fact that the mandate is not a penalty, as an excise tax, it cannot be raised to the point where it assumes a punitive function, as explicitly stated by Chief Justice in NFIB. Then it would fall outside the taxing power and could be struck down as an unconstitutional punishment in the guise of a tax.
But the media and administrative references to a mandate penalty have been so repeated without challenge that people forget all about the U.S. Supreme Court decision that struck it down as a penalty.
There is no mandate penalty. There is a mandate tax.
See, e.g., Washington Post, January 18, 2013, George Will: The time bomb within Obamacare?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-the-time-bomb-within-obamacare/2013/01/18/673a113c-6108-11e2-9940-6fc488f3fecd_story.html?utm_term=.eee4a5a127ab
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As Will went on to note, the only way to get healthy people to sign up, as desired, would be to increase the amount and giving of subsidies to where people would take the policy because the difference between the cost of refusing and accepting would be negligible.
But if that is done, the whole house of cards collapses under its own weight. And the tax could be ruled punitive and unconstitutional.
nolu chan posted on 2016-10-27 18:00:17 Reply Private Reply
#3: nolu chan To: All (#0)
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf
NFIB v. Sibelius, U.S. S. Ct. 11-393 (28 June 2012), Roberts, C.J.
Slip. Op. at 41-44
nolu chan posted on 2016-10-27 18:01:49 Reply Private Reply
#4: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#0)
15 million of those signed up for the free expanded Medicaid. We could have done that much with a simple federal law and left the rest of the insurance industry alone.
I'm guessing that most of the remaining 5 million received federal subsidies of varying amounts. Again, why not simply do this with a federal law?
misterwhite posted on 2016-10-27 18:30:27 Reply Private Reply
#5: misterwhite To: nolu chan (#0)
They're buying insurance on the exchanges BECAUSE they get subsidies, you idiot.
Those who don't qualify for subsidies are seeing increases of 20 to 80% and are deciding to pay the penalty and do without insurance. So now the solution is higher penalties?
misterwhite posted on 2016-10-27 18:38:16 Reply Private Reply
#6: Vicomte13 To: nolu chan (#1)
When you control the Court, you can do just exactly that.
Vicomte13 posted on 2016-10-27 18:45:25 Reply Private Reply
#7: Pinguinite To: nolu chan (#0)
How does something fall relative to what was "expected"? By this definition, does a premium rising less than expected qualify as a "fall"?
Pinguinite posted on 2016-10-27 19:42:42 Reply Private Reply