The new gun-control policy is called stop and frisk.
Donald Trumps professed love of guns is almost as abiding as his love of walls and portraits of himself. He has claimed that no one loves the Second Amendment more, and that he could shoot someone in the street and I wouldnt lose any voters. He wants to federalize concealed-carry laws, and once suggested that the Pulse nightclub shooting would have gone differently had the patrons carried weapons, a statement that even the N.R.A. said defies common sense. He has called himself a big Second Amendment guy and even proposed that if gun control-loving Hillary Clinton became president, Second Amendment people could do something about ita statement widely viewed as a threat. The National Rifle Association, not surprisingly, took Trumps side.
The more guns, the better, in other words. Or at least thats what Trump advocates for his gun-enthused supporters. When it comes to Americas inner cities, which Trump has characterized as rife with crime, the G.O.P. nominee proposes something quiet different: the expansion of the controversial stop and frisk policy, wherein police are encouraged to conduct widespread stopsusually of African-Americansand confiscate weapons.
You know, [the police are] proactive and if they see a person possibly with a gun or they think may have a gun, they will see the person and theyll look and theyll take the gun away, he explained Thursday on Fox and Friends, attempting to walk back his call to implement stop-and-frisk nationwide. Criticized from both the left and the right for advocating the policy, which at least one judge has ruled unconstitutional and which several studies show disproportionately discriminates against minorities, the native New Yorker clarified that he was only suggesting that stop-and-frisk be used in Chicago. I think Chicago needs stop-and-frisk, he insisted, pointing to several statistics showing skyrocketing murders in the Windy City. Now people can criticize me for that or people can say whatever they want, but they asked me about Chicago and I think stop-and-frisk with good strongyou knowgood, strong law and order. But you have to do something. It cant continue the way its going.
Trump seemed unaware of the fact that Chicago already has stop-and-frisk policies in place, and that according to the A.C.L.U., it has been woefully implemented thus far. According to the civil liberties group, Chicagoans have been stopped four times as often as New Yorkers at the height of New York Citys stop and frisk practice, and black residents are disproportionately targeted, with little effect on crime rates.
At least some conservatives were appalled by Trumps comments, too, although the N.R.A. has yet to weigh in on the Republican nominee advocating a confiscatory gun policy. Perhaps that is because the people Trump is talking about stopping and frisking are not the N.R.A.s core constituency. Or perhaps it is because they would prefer not to highlight their preferred candidates long history of contradictory statements about gun control. Trump after all, previously supported the 1994 assault-weapons ban, before he decided to Make America Great Again. It could be that Trump simply doesnt understand the nuance of the gun policy debate that is of such great interest to his base, and would rather keep people guessing than commit to any one particular position. As he said during an early primary debate, when asked about his self-professed habit of arming himself with a concealed weapon: I like to be unpredictable, so people dont know what Im carrying.
#1: misterwhite To: Willie Green (#0)
Confiscate illegal weapons, Tina. Illegal weapons.
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-23 10:22:27 Reply Private Reply
#2: misterwhite To: Willie Green (#0)
Yep. The policy is in place. Uh-huh. Firmly in place. No question.
The implementation of that policy, however, is not. The number of stops are down 80% in 2016 and the ACLU is thrilled. The number of murders so far this year, however, exceed all of 2015. Coincidence, I'm sure.
Yet the author writes an article criticizing Trump for his suggestion as to how Chicago could fix the problem! The ACLU, meanwhile, gets a pass.
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-23 10:37:46 Reply Private Reply
#3: Willie Green To: misterwhite (#2)
Willie Green posted on 2016-09-23 10:46:33 Reply Private Reply
#4: tpaine To: Willie Green (#0)
The N.R.A. position defies common sense.
Common sense tells us that if everyone could carry arms (as in Israel) terrorists and gangbangers would soon cease.
"An armed society is a polite (and safe) society"... Which we experienced for our first several hundred years in America. -- The trouble started with the insane idea that we could ban the carrying of weapons, -- back in the late 1800's, with the rise of progressive liberalism.
tpaine posted on 2016-09-23 10:54:03 Reply Private Reply
#5: misterwhite To: Willie Green (#3)
misterwhite posted on 2016-09-23 11:34:22 Reply Private Reply
#6: Willie Green To: misterwhite (#5)
Just about 11 months... less than a year ago...
It's the Chicago KGB... the same one's doing the "stop and frisk" proposed by Trump & his butt buddy Pootin.Here's another link that's a little newer:
New details revealed about controversial Chicago police facility Homan Square
Willie Green posted on 2016-09-23 14:04:06 Reply Private Reply
#7: Hondo68 To: Willie Green, take guns, stop and steal, street proctology exams, *Bang List* (#0)
Trump will take your guns, and tell you that he's a big 2nd amendment guy.
What it boils down to is that he's a strong believer that he should have a gun "permit", but that you must be disarmed.
Says he's against executive orders, and will pass this crap through congress. He doesn't seem to realize that congress doesn't have the authority to eliminate the BOR, it would take a constitutional amendment(s).
Before Trump frisk,..................... and after
Hondo68 posted on 2016-09-23 16:04:39 Reply Private Reply