" Coldwater officials have made a really stupid mistake here—no doubt thanks to the district's zero tolerance policy toward weapons. "

The school officials are obviously STUPID !

"Twelve-year-old Kyler Davies found a knife in a leather case inside his backpack. He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along."

Bullshit. The kid gets a backpack and doesn't check it out? If nothing else, to see if the previous owner left anything inside -- maybe money?

Then he loads it with books and school supplies and still doesn't notice the knife?

Something isn't right.

"Twelve-year-old Kyler Davies found a knife in a leather case inside his backpack. He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along."

Bullshit.

The kid turned the knife in, and you want to see him suspended from school?

You zero-tolerance fascists are despicable.

"The kid turned the knife in, and you want to see him suspended from school?"

He brought a knife to school. He was suspended for 30 days. Seems fair.

Had he found the knife on the playground and turned it in, that would be different.

He brought a knife to school. He was suspended for 30 days. Seems fair.

He didn't know it was in the backpack you blithering ninny.

"He didn't know it was in the backpack you blithering ninny."

That's even worse. Suppose some other student went into his backpack, discovered the knife, and injured someone. Because he didn't know, I'd suspend him for 90 days.

But the next time I'm stopped by the cops with a kilo of coke in the trunk I'll simply tell them, "I didn't know". That'll work, huh?

" the next time I'm stopped by the cops with a kilo of coke in the trunk I'll simply tell them, "I didn't know". That'll work, huh? "

No, you will proudly tell them :

" Do your duty, take me to jail, oh, and kick my ass, because it is the law ". Then if they did not kick it enough, you will be pissed, and scream " you candy ass mo fo, fuck you, you do not deserve to be a cop". You will then kick them & take a swing at them.

You thought they were your buddies. You should have remembered to take that coke out of your trunk. LOL

The school officials are obviously STUPID !

This nation is becoming filled with hysterical psychotic half-wits determined to impose their condition on the people around them. And they are all voting for Hillary.

" The kid turned the knife in, "

Yeah, imagine that. He could have traded it for some crack & weed while on the playground.

You have bragged about how harsh prison sentences are needed to send the right message. What kind of message does it send to suspend a student for 30 days because he voluntarily reported a knife he accidentally brought to school?

The inane message being broadcast by the school authorities is that any student who turns in a knife will be suspended. So if anyone else should accidentally bring one to school, he should either keep it hidden and take it back home, or perhaps hide it somewhere, maybe throw it in the bathroom trash, the latter solution being the worst, as then some other student will find it which will, quite naturally, cause him to turn into a raving lunatic and start attacking everyone he sees. Because that's what knives do.

And if a student finds one in the playground, do you really think the smart thing to do will be to pick it up and turn it in? Hell no! A student doing that will be seen by other students in the school on his way to the principal's office and would be stopped by a teacher before he gets there, and then who's gonna believe him when he says he found it in the playground? And even if they did, they'll admonish him for picking it up and bringing it into the building and suspend him for a few months or a year. And don't even try to stupidly pretend that wouldn't happen.

If you're going to say that bringing knives to school should be prohibited (something I myself certainly did, openly, with a retractable knife in a belt looped sheath when I was in high school) then fine, whatever. But it should also come with an amnesty program where anyone voluntarily turning in a knife is not punished. Otherwise, you encourage students who accidentally bring knives to school to keep them hidden or place them in the trash or elsewhere, which is NOT supposed to be what's encouraged.

But the next time I'm stopped by the cops with a kilo of coke in the trunk

How often do you carry a kilo of coke in your trunk? Is this a common issue for you?

" What lesson did this kid learn from the system? Do the right thing and get punished. I'm sure the rest of the kids learned the same lesson by observation. "

BINGO !!

He hadn't put it there—his mother bought the bag from Goodwill, and suspects it had been there all along.

When did Kyler first discover the knife? When he discovered the knife, where was he at?

Hell, from the 10th grade to graduation, I also carried a US issue 1903A1 Rifle to school, 5 days a week, from class to class, and on the school bus. Those were the days.

Do that today and you make worldwide, headline news. Which would be about the bestest "show n tell" any kid could get, right!?

"What kind of message does it send to suspend a student for 30 days because he voluntarily reported a knife he accidentally brought to school?"

As I initially posted, this story stinks. Furthermore, all we've heard is one side -- the school says their policy is not to discuss disciplinary actions.

I don't believe the kid never knew the knife was there. I think he took it to school and showed some friends. Something happened and he turned it in. Another article read:

"He pulled it out and his counselor was standing there, and he says can I call my mom? And she's like why do you need to call your mom. He says well, I found this, this isn't mine," she said."

Odd conversation, yes? Sounds more like he got caught and wanted to call his mom.

"He pulled it out and his counselor was standing there, and he says can I call my mom? And she's like why do you need to call your mom. He says well, I found this, this isn't mine," she said."

That conversation makes sense to me. He wanted to know how the knife was in the backpack and his mom purchased it at Goodwill. He was concerned and wanted an answer from his mom.

You are the first to believe an account by police without hearing anything from the accused, and the first to doubt an account by an accused, insisting you need to hear the police side of the story as well.

You are simply a hypocrite and I've got better things to do than to point this out repeatedly.

Needing to learn both sides of a story before passing judgment should never be considered an insult to all of humanity.

I think he gets his jollies as the law and order poster here, and that includes siding with cops 99 percent of the time.

Only 99%? You are being generous.

You (misterwhite) are simply a hypocrite and I've got better things to do than to point this out repeatedly.

Not me. - Hypocrites like robertpaulsen need to be shot down from time to time. - Bobbie and I go waaaay back to early FR, when be first started to agitprop his communitarian crap.

Clowns like him MUST be outed, lest his kind (authoritarian socialists) prevail. -- Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him, Bobbie will revert to his communitarian anti- constitutional roots.

Needing to learn both sides of a story before passing judgment should never be considered an insult to all of humanity.

Misterwhite already passed judgement against the kid on comment #4, if not #2, and that was without even hearing the schools side of the story. So hearing both sides of the story is obviously not on his agenda. Accused are always guilty, and in this case, voluntarily reporting the knife earns the kid no leniency. Suspending him for 30 or 90 days from school, adversely impacting his education does the community a fine service, according to him.

Of course, I wasn't near rich enough to do the same.

Right now, he's for Trump, because he imagines Trump will be an authoritarian. When Trump disappoints him,

On that point, I actually agree Trump is an authoritarian. As a life-long super wealthy guy, I don't think he can empathize with the plight of the common person to live under onerous laws and regulations. It's a negative for Trump on my scorecard, but on the other hand, there's a lot of crud in D.C. and that authoritarian streak, which I hope is combined with a corruption-free Trump, will be well applied to make a lot of heads roll starting in 2017.

Trump is also a free thinker. If he sees a need to change positions, he'll do it without being restrained by special interests. So maybe with time he'll better recognize the importance of liberty.

Do you believe the story as written in the article?

Do you believe all articles you read on the internet?

My responses to all articles are always based on the assumption that the articles are accurate, unless I say otherwise. I have no time, nor do you, to attempt to verify all articles posted here, and verification is always subjective anyway. If there are more facts that lend evidence to an article being inaccurate, they are welcome.

But if we were to consider this story in a hypothetical context, then we can consider all discussion to also be in a hypothetical context, in which case.... any student that voluntarily reports a knife to school authorities should NOT be punished for it. Misterwhite disagrees. Do you disagree also?

I also carried a US issue 1903A1 Rifle to school, 5 days a week, from class to class

You carried a rifle around from class to class?

On that point, I actually agree Trump is an authoritarian. As a life-long super wealthy guy, I don't think he can empathize with the plight of the common person to live under onerous laws and regulations.

Every contractor, no matter how wealthy, lives under "onerous laws and regulations".

It's a negative for Trump on my scorecard, but on the other hand, there's a lot of crud in D.C. and that authoritarian streak, which I hope is combined with a corruption-free Trump, will be well applied to make a lot of heads roll starting in 2017. --- Trump is also a free thinker. If he sees a need to change positions, he'll do it without being restrained by special interests. So maybe with time he'll better recognize the importance of liberty.

I think you're right, and in any case ' "what've we got to lose"?

You carried a rifle around from class to class?

I think some schools in the 40's and 50's had shooting as one of the gym class activities, but schools did not provide the rifles. I never saw that but I think I remember archery as one school-sanctioned activity in my time.

Every contractor, no matter how wealthy, lives under "onerous laws and regulations".

As did Trump. Being in the real estate development business, he had a lot of civil court cases to contend with. But having deep pockets, he fought them and won many.

I think you're right, and in any case ' "what've we got to lose"?

A precise, on point argument all by itself.

Misterwhite already passed judgement against the kid on comment #4, if not #2, and that was without even hearing the schools side of the story. So hearing both sides of the story is obviously not on his agenda.

And you call misterwhite, a hypocrite?

… any student that voluntarily reports a knife to school authorities should NOT be punished for it. Misterwhite disagrees. Do you disagree also?

If I knew that a student voluntarily reported a knife he “found” in his backpack and did not know it was that, then the student should of course not be punished. What I don’t know is that it happened the way a third-person reported.

Do you believe the story as written in the article?

Do you believe all articles you read on the internet?

Nope, and I am skeptical about this story.

So, you are admitting that you passed judgment based on the "third-handed" report without even hearing the schools side of the story.

Everyone here passes judgement in one form or another the moment they click the "Reply" link, Gatlin. Don't pretend it ain't so.

The judgement I passed was on a school policy, however hypothetical, of punishing an honest student for turning in a knife unknowingly brought to school, a judgement you apparently share with me, but which Misterwhite disagrees.

The judgement I passed was on a school policy, however hypothetical, of punishing an honest student for turning in a knife unknowingly brought to school, a judgement you apparently share with me, but which Misterwhite disagrees.

I agree that an “an honest student” should not be punished for a turning in a knife he “unknowingly brought to school.” Where I disagree is, I will not assume the third-handed report in this article was factual and I will not pass judgment on third-handed reporting.

"This story sticks"

Stinks, too. I'm convinced the kid knew the knife was there.

" My responses to all articles are always based on the assumption that the articles are accurate, unless I say otherwise. I have no time, nor do you, to attempt to verify all articles posted here, and verification is always subjective anyway. If there are more facts that lend evidence to an article being inaccurate, they are welcome. "

That certainly seems rational.

" I also carried a US issue 1903A1 Rifle to school, 5 days a week, from class to class "

" You carried a rifle around from class to class? "

Yes, I certainly did. When I was in High School, I was in ROTC. As part of that, I was also on the School Rifle Marksmanship Team. In that, I used a Winchester 52D .22 target rifle. When not practicing or participating in a match, those were stored in the School Armory, along with the M-1 Garands.

My other extracurricular ROTC activity was on the drill team. For that we were issued brand new 1903 A-1 Springfield rifles, never been issued, came out of a case full of cosmoline. We cleaned them the best we could at school, then took them home to finish the process. We practiced every day after school, so we needed them there, and took them home to practice more there. It was more than just a standard manual of arms.

I carried it around at school because the lockers were too short. I had a couple of teachers that enjoyed handling it, while they told old war stories.

One morning when I was waiting on the school bus, a city cop pulled up & got out. He asked me about it, and wanted to look at it. Same deal, he told a couple of old war stories while he admired the condition of the rifle. When the bus got there, he handed it back, and said have a good day.

People did not freak out about stuff like that back then. Things were different in those days. Sadly, those days are long gone. I am fortunate that I got to experience life then.

Me & my Dad always intended to get some 30-06 shells and take it out to a range & try it out. I wish we had.

I sure wish we could have bought that 03, it was really cherry. I hope it got sold through CMP and ended up in good hands.

" I wasn't near rich enough to do the same. "

LOL, yeah. I bet you have a couple now.

What lesson did this kid learn from the system? Do the right thing and get punished. I'm sure the rest of the kids learned the same lesson by observation.

Actually the assholes at that school taught the kid a valuable lesson; that no good deed goes unpunished.

Never give up a good knife that fortune drops in your lap. And never expect self rightious control freaks to be grateful about anything.

He brought a knife to school. He was suspended for 30 days. Seems fair.

I'm going to take a wild guess that you're among the suburban pussy herd for whom it was never common to see shotguns in the gun racks of trucks in the school parking lot during goose / duck / pheasant season....

Run along now and obey your masters. They might not feed you otherwise!

"I'm going to take a wild guess that you're among the suburban pussy herd for whom it was never common to see shotguns in the gun racks of trucks in the school parking lot during goose / duck / pheasant season...."

So this kid also had a shotgun in the gun rack of his truck? Is he even old enough to drive?

I agree that an “an honest student” should not be punished for a turning in a knife he “unknowingly brought to school.”

Bullshit!

You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain.

So this kid also had a shotgun in the gun rack of his truck? Is he even old enough to drive?

Actually what this 7-year old had in his pick-up was not a shotgun. It was a bazooka.

You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain.

That true, Gatlin?

You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain.

That true, Gatlin?

Decide for yourself.

7th-Grader Suspended for Gun Shaped Keychain

I agree that an “an honest student” should not be punished for a turning in a knife he “unknowingly brought to school.” Bullshit!

You defended a school for suspending a kid who had a 1" toy gun replica on a keychain.

BULLSHIT!

I merely showed you that while something may look “like a miniature toy gun” it can instead be a fully functional firearm….like the SwissMiniGun C1ST shown here:

What you’re looking at here is the world smallest revolver that can be attached to a keychain. While it may look like a harmless toy, just stick a few bullets into the .7 inch barrel and it becomes a fully functional firearm.

The company will make whatever the customer wishes for. The most expensive version sold was covered in diamonds and came with a gold chain.

As I remember, asshole, I also posted a picture of a “miniature toy gun” and a “miniature real gun” and ask you to tell the difference….you could not.

You may assume while looking at a miniature gun that it is harmless….others will have enough intelligence to make no such assumption.

I merely showed you that while something may look “like a miniature toy gun”

Compare that with the image of the trinket the kid was suspended for.

No working parts, die-cast, incapable of doing anything other than making hoplophobes like you wet their panties.

You may assume while looking at a miniature gun that it is harmless….others will have enough intelligence to make no such assumption.

That you claim to be intelligent in any way is seriously belied by your posting history at LP and here.

I merely showed you that while something may look “like a miniature toy gun” Compare that with the image of the trinket the kid was suspended for.

I don’t have to do that and some school teacher totally unqualified to do so should not have to do that either. That is why a school board can establish a policy that no guns, including miniature toy replica guns or miniature real guns, are allowed on campus. And when that policy is posted, it is expected to be adhered to.

I don’t have to do that and some school teacher totally unqualified to do so should not have to do that either

Good grief - a five year old could look at that trinket and be able to discern it's not a real gun.

That is why a school board can establish a policy that no guns, including miniature toy replica guns or miniature real guns, are allowed on campus.

You're all for that? How about suspending a kid for drawing a gun?

I'm sure you can make a case for suspending a kid for …writing about killing a neighbor's pet dinosaur with a gun, right?

After all such thoughts should be curtailed in a free society - imagination and creativity have no place in the public schools government indoctrination centers.

I bet you even applauded the school that suspended a kid for chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun.

Yeah - that really happened. God only knows where that type of anarchism may lead.

Your irrational fear of toys and drawings is not very manly Major.

I'm guessing you'd suspend a kid for even thinking about guns.

Good greif, man….knowing the idiots that our school systems turn out today, I would say a majority of the teachers would look at the gun above and think it is a toy.

So, If one kid is allowed to bring a miniature toy gun to class, then the thirty other students can also bring miniature toy guns to class. So the unqualified teacher then takes a great portion if no all of the first period looking at each to see which if it is a toy or if one or more may be real.

Is that what you want to happen? It looks that way.

Rules are made for a reason. If the rules don’t fit….then change the rules. A student does not have the right to selectively and arbitrarily disobey a rule without suffering a consequence.

I realize that you libertaturds have a hard time understanding this….but that is the way it works.

So this kid also had a shotgun in the gun rack of his truck? Is he even old enough to drive?

A car is a deadly weapon.

Should they be banned from schools - what sayeth the Whiteherd community association?