ISIS Published July 23, 2016 Washington Free Beacon Facebook6974 Twitter1032 livefyre7000 Email Print European Union Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete welcomes U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, from left, in Vienna, Austria, Friday July 22, 2016. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak)
European Union Climate Commissioner Miguel Arias Canete welcomes U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, from left, in Vienna, Austria, Friday July 22, 2016. (AP Photo/Ronald Zak) ( )
Secretary of State John Kerry said in Vienna on Friday that air conditioners and refrigerators are as big of a threat to life as the threat of terrorism posed by groups like the Islamic State.
The Washington Examiner reported that Kerry was in Vienna to amend the 1987 Montreal Protocol that would phase out hydrofluorocarbons, or HFCs, from basic household and commercial appliances like air conditioners, refrigerators, and inhalers.
“As we were working together on the challenge of [ISIS] and terrorism,” Kerry said. “It’s hard for some people to grasp it, but what we–you–are doing here right now is of equal importance because it has the ability to literally save life on the planet itself.”
Kerry said that most of the substances banned in the Montreal Protocol have increased the use of HFCs and claimed that the coolant was thousands of times more potent than CO2. He added that the increase of HFCs has led to the trend of global climate change.
“The use of hydrofluorocarbons is unfortunately growing,” Kerry said. “Already, the HFCs use in refrigerators, air conditioners, and other items are emitting an entire gigaton of carbon dioxide-equivalent pollution into the atmosphere annually. Now, if that sounds like a lot, my friends, it’s because it is. It’s the equivalent to emissions from nearly 300 coal-fired power plants every single year.”
Members of the Montreal Protocol have met their obligations and have aided in the shrinking of the hole in the ozone, as well as created jobs and improved the quality of life, Kerry said.
Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Gina McCarthy was also present at the negotiations and is serving as the lead negotiator for the United States. McCarthy has said that her goal is to enact the HFC agreement by the end of the year.
New EPA rules along with the global deal would band HFCs in the United States and push for alternative chemicals for use in appliances. The negotiations are part of President Obama’s climate agenda to combat global climate change.
#1: ConservingFreedom To: Justified (#0)
Fixed it.
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-07-23 18:45:01 Reply Private Reply
#2: Justified To: All (#0)
Justified posted on 2016-07-23 18:48:22 Reply Private Reply
#3: Justified To: ConservingFreedom (#1)
Justified posted on 2016-07-23 18:50:23 Reply Private Reply
#4: ConservingFreedom To: Justified (#0)
I guess they thought when they banned CFCs we'd just give up on the idea of refrigerating our food. Fucking morons.
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-07-23 18:53:17 Reply Private Reply
#5: Justified To: ConservingFreedom (#4)
Justified posted on 2016-07-23 18:58:19 Reply Private Reply
#6: Stoner To: Justified (#0)
Kerry is one humongus dumb SOB. He is too stupid to breathe
Stoner posted on 2016-07-23 19:11:43 Reply Private Reply
#7: Justified To: Stoner (#6)
Justified posted on 2016-07-23 19:29:58 Reply Private Reply
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tomder55 posted on 2016-07-23 19:59:12 Reply Private Reply
#9: no gnu taxes To: Justified (#0)
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-07-23 20:01:16 Reply Private Reply
#10: ConservingFreedom To: no gnu taxes (#9)
They don't need AC - his wife's pussy keeps it cold.
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-07-23 20:06:53 Reply Private Reply
#11: Stoner To: ConservingFreedom (#10)
Stoner posted on 2016-07-23 20:15:45 Reply Private Reply
#12: Willie Green To: ConservingFreedom (#4)
Of course, the ones that stink, are poisonous and or explosive/flammable under certain conditions are also somewhat less desirable for obvious reasons... But that's the way life is, nothing is perfect, there's always a trade-off.
Willie Green posted on 2016-07-23 20:27:38 Reply Private Reply
#13: Justified To: Willie Green (#12)
We can end western populations pretty fast! We can all move right back into the 3rd world mode.
Justified posted on 2016-07-23 20:38:41 Reply Private Reply
#14: Willie Green To: Justified (#13)
That's what was originally used before GM & DuPont began producing freon in the 1930s. And in fact, is still in use in large scale industrial applications (food processing industry) because it's highy efficient.
The biggest drawback is safety concerns due to leakage. But it is non-flammable and lighter-than-air, so it should dissipate quickly in well ventilated areas. Plus today's manufacturing quality control is vastly superior to the 1910s, '20s & '30s when residential ammonia refrigeration was in use... so there should be less leakage than there was back then.
Willie Green posted on 2016-07-23 21:26:54 Reply Private Reply
#15: Fred Mertz To: Willie Green (#14)
Your knowledge of refrigeration impresses me.
Fred Mertz posted on 2016-07-23 23:29:08 Reply Private Reply
#16: rlk To: Stoner (#6)
Kerry has always been a blight on this nation. He volunteered for officer's duty 9n Viet Nam 30 miles off shore inspecting sampans where there weren't any, and playing cards at the officer's club between shifts. Somebody got the bright idea of using the small boats he was stationed on to patrol rivers as "swift boats". It was moderately dangerous work not to his liking. He rapidly faked three wounds that, on paper, entitled him to leave the navy with honors. The last one was a humdinger. He threw a hand grenade on shore and a tiny bit of shrapnel flew up in the air and entangled in the hair on his arm. The next day he limped into sick bay complaining of his wound. The doctor treating him brushed the piece off his arm and said, "I don't understand how you kept the thing on you long enough to get here." The doctor refused to put him up for another purple heart. Kerry went up the chain of command and pulled strings to get another purple heart citation. Three purple hearts hang in the walls of his office to impress visitors. There is not so much as a scratch mark anywhere on his body to account for them.
I could go on with this, but I'm out of time.
rlk posted on 2016-07-24 00:34:57 Reply Private Reply
#17: Justified To: Willie Green (#14)
It would be a terrible idea for residential and light commercial. You would be dead before you realized there was a problem. Thats the reason why its not used but in specific areas.
The BS of CFC is over blown. If it is as terrible as they claimed big cities would not have an ozone layer which they do. Yes I understand that one CFC molecule can attack 10 o3 molecules but mother nature Trumps humans. We puny humans actually think we are badass and must protect mother nature. Mother nature laughs and says I fart stronger than the whole human race can muster in strength! You probably should do some reading of how 1 volcano eruption puts out more cfc than man by a huge number.
Climate change is code word for world domination by progressives. Its a way of condition stupid people into believing that government is the only answer when its been nothing but the problem from day one.
PS The ozone hole healed itself! Go figure with out help from puny stupid humans! Its just a cycle of life that humans can not control. Oh the inhumanity of it all!!!!!! ;)
Justified posted on 2016-07-24 09:02:10 Reply Private Reply
#18: no gnu taxes To: rlk (#16)
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-07-24 11:56:01 Reply Private Reply
#19: Willie Green To: Justified (#17)
Meh... it's no more dangerous than using natural gas, which is why some nervous nellies have all electric stoves, ovens, hot water and furnaces/baseboard heat. But if you're antsy about that stuff, I'm sure you could install an ammonia detector just like they have for smoke alarms & carbon monoxide.
Willie Green posted on 2016-07-24 12:16:00 Reply Private Reply
#20: Willie Green To: Fred Mertz (#15)
Thank-you Fred... but I'm no expert...
I did, however, gain a little insight when I worked for an A/C factory back in the '80s...
Other engineers focus their entire career in this area (not just design and manufacturing, but also the various A/C-refrigeration repair companies for residential and commercial systems)
ASHRAE (American Society of Heating, Refrigerating, and Air-Conditioning Engineers) has something like 50,000 members... I'm sure they already figured out what refrigerant they'll switch to if HFCs are restricted.
So it's not a matter that they can't change... It's more that many of them may not want to invest the money to tweak the design of their product to accommodate the change.
Willie Green posted on 2016-07-24 12:38:13 Reply Private Reply
#21: rlk To: no gnu taxes (#18)
I know and I haven't forgotten a bit of what happened during the period. That son of a bitch, along with Hillary, should be hung from a lamp post.
rlk posted on 2016-07-24 18:16:54 Reply Private Reply
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#23: Justified To: Willie Green (#19)
Actually its much worse than ng. You can breath ng and not die. If ng builds up enough it can be explosive. It takes very little ammonia to harm you permanently.
If ammonia was viable for residential or light commercial work it would be implemented. Businessmen are not stupid but can be greedy at times.
Justified posted on 2016-07-24 18:43:05 Reply Private Reply
#24: no gnu taxes To: Justified (#17)
The whole ozone layer went away when these folks went with "climate change" as their latest crusade.
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-07-24 20:31:57 Reply Private Reply
#25: Willie Green To: Justified (#23)
If ammonia makes you soil your panties, then use some other substance as a refrigerent: methane, butane, propane, acetone, alcohol, etc. etc.
The point is, there are plenty of substitutes available. Hell, you can even use water as a refrigerant.
Willie Green posted on 2016-07-24 21:06:12 Reply Private Reply
#26: Justified To: Willie Green (#25)
Justified posted on 2016-07-24 21:23:53 Reply Private Reply
#27: Willie Green To: Justified (#26)
It's all a part of unsustainable globalization.
World population has almost TRIPLED, just in my lifetime:
The Earth's resources are finite, and excessive growth & development pollute and damage our environment.
Frankly, I think "climate change" is too feeble to describe the dire conditions that we'll be facing. Here in America, the "American Dream" is dead... our cities are headed for overpopulated, disease-infested, malnourished slums... Gated suburban communities won't provide any protection from the spread of the squalid filth & crime.. And Trump's Wall will be a totally ineffective bandaid...
I personally believe that it's already too late to avoid this fate... But if they want to label their meager efforts "climate change", I got no problem with that... Afterall, it's the unregulated "free market" that's the root cause of this putrid contamination... and there's no reason to think that the unregulated "free market" will divert this tsunami of global decay.
Willie Green posted on 2016-07-25 07:54:14 Reply Private Reply
#28: Justified To: Willie Green (#27)
Thats where left are ignorant. There is no such animal. US alone can produce enough to feed the world. But doing so enslaves the US to the world. We work so hard that we stop having babies and feed people who do nothing but have more babies. We are killing ourselves for some kinda crazy progressive logic.
Third world people are the ones over populating the earth. Im surprised that asia hasn't thrown the earths rotation off since 70% of the people live there.
These are the craziest times in history. I guess when we let progressives run our lives we should expect crazy things to happen. Since you have to be crazy to be a progressive.
Justified posted on 2016-07-26 08:27:15 Reply Private Reply
#29: no gnu taxes To: Willie Green (#27)
LOL
I remember back when I was in elementary school in the 60s hearing how life on earth would be wiped out by 1990 because of human population growth.
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-07-26 10:02:49 Reply Private Reply
#30: no gnu taxes To: Willie Green (#25)
I doubt water could ever be used as a refrigerant. A useful refrigerant needs to be a gas at ambient temperatures and then easily converted to a liquid through compression.
There is a difference between a coolant and a refrigerant.
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-07-26 10:11:01 Reply Private Reply
#31: Willie Green To: Justified (#28)
That's delusional.
Willie Green posted on 2016-07-26 10:16:19 Reply Private Reply
#32: no gnu taxes To: Willie Green (#31)
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-07-26 11:01:22 Reply Private Reply
#33: Justified To: no gnu taxes (#32)
A few big farms have run everyone out of the farm business because they can produce so much very cheaply.
Justified posted on 2016-07-26 11:08:29 Reply Private Reply
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