hindsight

Hah! I'll give you a point for that one.

You can barely contain your joy at the murdered police officers

You're full of shit.

You're disappointed there weren't more police officers killed.

Ros, either you are hopelessly ignorant, or you hopelessly bitter.

I have *never* celebrated the killing of a police officer, so your statements is gross libel.

http://pic.twitter.com/95mL6l3M1q

Unbelievable. Shared out widely.

I have *never* celebrated the killing of a police officer

Do you think that the murdered officers reaped what they sowed?

The snipers acted unwisely. It was a peaceful protest and what the shooters did will have the effect of ramping up the police state even further.

Indeed. The basic problem is that cops are constantly indoctrinated to the level of paranoia into believing that everyone will try to kill them at any opportunity. This is why the CC holder was shot and killed after he, in accordance with the law, informed the cop he had a gun and then reached for his license, also as instructed.

If he hadn't informed the cop he had a gun, he would have been fine. He died because of a law that is in place to protect cops from honest, law abiding people. (Obviously the law won't do anything to protect cops from lying thugs). And now the cop who shot that guy might also be serving serious time in part because of that same law that's supposed to protect him.

But cops are conditioned every day to think that people are out to kill them. And now with this event in Dallas, it has become a self-fulfilling prophesy. I would venture that the majority of cops are good people, and those killed today had no personal involvement in the shootings being protested. Ergo, most of the cops shot &/or killed are/were probably good people.

And now there will likely be more shootings by cops of innocent civilians because of even more heightened paranoia.

cops are constantly indoctrinated to the level of paranoia

That didn't take long. Thanks for outing yourself.

I think people are talking past each other. Not able or willing to see the other sides valid points. We've been succesfully divided.

Certainly an accurate assessment.

So they execute Dallas cops? For all we know, race relations were just fine in Dallas. I say "were".

Do you think that the murdered officers reaped what they sowed?

I think the culture of paranoia that is within the police community has fostered events like in Dallas for the reasons already stated. A year or 2 ago, 2 police officers were shot and killed as they sat in their cruisers by some guy who apparently went to NY just to kill cops. The motive seemed to be the killing of the guy by a cop who put him in an illegal strangle hold. I don't remember names well. Was that the guy who was allegedly selling untaxed cigarettes or whatnot?

In spite of the illegal chock hold resulting in death no charges. Kinda like Hillary Clinton. Well, no. Not kinda. Exactly like HC. So many other incidents as well. To get charged, it has to be blatant, like the cop that shot the guy in the back as he was running away from him, and he probably was just unlucky that he was being filmed doing so. Even shooting people in the back as they are restrained on the ground is only sometimes prosecuted.

To answer your question, I don't even know the names of the cops killed in Dallas yesterday, much less a single thing about their history or temperment, so I have no idea what they sowed. But I'm sure that won't stop you from posting more libel about my state of mind, will it.

I think the culture of paranoia that is within the police community has fostered events like in Dallas for the reasons already stated.

Deckard-lite.

cops are constantly indoctrinated to the level of paranoia

It's a true, factual statement.

What's that private outfit that teaches cops how to shoot people at the slightest suspicion that their life is in danger? And then goes around offering legal defence for them after an innocent person gets shot and killed?

It's a true, factual statement.

It's a load of steaming bullshit.

Deckard-lite.

More insults... Or attempts, in this case.

I think you and GI are just pissed that there has finally been blowback against cops. Doesn't fit your view of an ideal world where cops can shoot anyone they want with impunity. Is that it?

finally been blowback against cops.

Called it.

The cameras should be in front of Louis Farrahkan today. He foments this crap often.

When you say finally blowback it makes it sound like you justify it whether you do or not. Especially the word "finally". Just trying to shoot straight.

I'm not saying that and I don't think that's what it sounds like. It's a similar situation with US foreign policy of killing with drones and such in the mideast and elsewhere against "terrorists" but which too often kills innocent people. Friends and relatives of those innocent people become "radicalized" and then take up a cause of militant revenge, get labeled as terrorists and the cycle continues.

If one is going to be obligated to call one unjust killing unjustified, without being obligated to call other unjust killings unjustified, then that's a double standard, and that makes people take the law into their own hands. That's blowback. Will Roscoe, GI and others dare even suggest that the killing of the CC holder *might* be unjustified?

Will I be called to the mat on my statement, while they are given a free pass on theirs?

I guess I should formally ping them because I mention them, but they don't care what I have to say or think so I won't bother...

A quick count shows you've managed to write about 24 words over 5 posts. Less than 5 words per post, if you're math challenged.

Obviously your are quite literally, "at a loss for words".

When you can post something coherent and meaningful, check back.

[to Roscoe:] I understand this stuff justly angers you. However there is no reason enrage people with such unjust speculation. If you are honest with yourself you would admit what you said isn't true.

Thanks for the dose of sanity, A K A Stone.

"You're blathering."

No, no, no! You need to build up your word count. (Not that there's a quota. But we're counting, anyways.)

Next time try, You are a drooling, blathering idiot". See? You just went from two words to six.

I think people are talking past each other. Not able or willing to see the other sides valid points. We've been succesfully divided.

Well said.

I think this dialogue would be different if police officers in LA and MN were in a fire fight. Not Dallas where the dept there worked with the protest organizers.

Then, Deckard's "reap what you sow" might have had application if and only if the officers involved in the shootings of black men were those under fire.

Deckard, if your point is that the police nationwide are indiscriminate in their shooting of citizens and the group who murdered police officers last night indiscriminately killed cops is the 'reaping', then what you are promoting is lawlessness.

A lot of these 'cops shooting civilians' situations end up with acquittals or dismissals for a reason. Some reasons cited above by other posters. The officers are usually white and cases tried in left leaning Black Democrat held city governments with Black judges and somehow the police officers get their case dismissed or they are exonerated. Why is that? Baltimore is case #1. Then we have Chicago as case #2.

In Chicago we have complete lawlessness in many neighborhoods. The City is run by Leftists and minorities. The police have been intimidated to the point where they will not patrol crime rotted neighborhoods. Why because they know they have a target painted on the squad car and backs. End result? More dead Black people from Black on Black crime.

There should be a memorial built for the bomb squad robot.

Not that there's a quota. But we're counting, anyways.

Yeah, it's creepy. Waiting for him to post a spreadsheet.

"There should be a memorial built for the bomb squad robot."

Poor baby. Took one for the team. But IF the bad guy also had a robot .....

Your posts have more red flags than a Soviet military parade.

You're blathering.

" 11 Dallas Officers Shot, 3 Dead in Shooting as Protest Ended "

I have to wonder if Obunghole will use this to again promote " gun control / gun confiscation ", and / or to facilitate his bringing UN Troops to the US ?

I have to wonder if Obunghole will use this to again promote " gun control / gun confiscation ", and / or to facilitate his bringing UN Troops to the US ?

now you're transparently begging for help.

I stated agreement with A K A Stone and you butted in with off-topic jabbering. One of us needs help and it ain't me.

Like they finally got what was coming.

Well.... define "they".

It's a universal truth that actions have consequences. If you never change your motor oil, you'll eventually wreck your engine. So if we were talking about someone who never did that, then when the day finally came when their engine is destroyed, we would & could say that yes, the owner got what was coming to him. Is it something to be happy about? No. But we would still say that yes, he got what was coming to him.

IMO, the contemporary police culture is one of paranoia because police are conditioned to believe in a substantial risk that every person they encounter could be a killer. Has this paranoia resulted in saving cops lives? No doubt it has. Has his same paranoia resulted in innocent & good people being killed by cops. Yes it has, as very much seems with the recent CC case in Minnesota.

This is aside from blatant cases of police brutality. What comes to mind is the case in CA several years ago, where cops stopped to hassle a homeless guy, demanding to search his backpack. "See these fists, they're about to fuck you up" I think was one quote by one of the cops involved. The guy eventually took off, apparently in fear for his life, and he was beaten severely by the cops and died a few days later.

Cops were tried. Not guilty verdict. Hillary justice.

These recurring events have consequences, and one of them is to inspire militant minded people to do stuff like what happened in Dallas. It's nothing to celebrate, much like the motor oil example I gave (though obviously not equating the two in severity). And it also seems the cops wounded and killed were largely in solidarity with the protest message of non-violence.

But if the police attitude will continue to be that of excessive paranoia, and brutalizing cops will continue to be undisciplined and remain on police forces, then all cops as a whole, nationwide will remain in more danger because of it.

The cameras should be in front of Louis Farrahkan today. He foments this crap often.

Really? And what about shining the light on those cops who shot that lady's fiance in Minnesota several days ago see here: and not also to exclude the fact about those recent shootings in Baton-Rouge, Lousiana.

IMO, the contemporary police culture is one of paranoia

There it is again. Like a dog returns to its vomit...

There it is again. Like a dog returns to its vomit...

I'm noticing a pattern in your most recent posts. You've obviously long since exhausted whatever supply of logic and dignity you ever may have had, and can only resort to juvenile insults.

exclude the fact about those recent shootings in Baton-Rouge, Lousiana.

This guy?

Upon further evaluation something is missing. We believe we have identified a very important missing element.

Yeah, that something that is missing is the officer's camera that should have been recording the event at traffic stop. Unfortunately, in Minnesota police don't wear body cameras.

Put some ice on it.

Yes, I've put you on ice - shame you haven't the wit to understand that.