Eleven Dallas law enforcement officers were shot, three fatally, by what is believed to be two snipers who opened fire during a demonstration downtown over recent police shootings in Minnesota and Louisiana, the Dallas police chief said.
The snipers fired from an elevated positions on police officers minutes before 9 p.m., Dallas Police Chief David Brown told reporters.
"We believe that these suspects were positioning themselves in a way to triangulate on these officers from two different perches in garages in the downtown area, and planned to injure and kill as many law enforcement officers as they could," he said. Some were shot in the back.
Three of the 11 officers died, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition, Brown said.
#75: ConservingFreedom To: Roscoe (#69)
You're blathering.
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-07-08 12:05:27 Reply Private Reply
#76: Roscoe To: ConservingFreedom (#75)
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 12:13:14 Reply Private Reply
#77: Stoner To: Roscoe (#0)
I have to wonder if Obunghole will use this to again promote " gun control / gun confiscation ", and / or to facilitate his bringing UN Troops to the US ?
Stoner posted on 2016-07-08 13:00:48 Reply Private Reply
#78: ConservingFreedom To: Roscoe (#76)
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-07-08 13:01:52 Reply Private Reply
#79: Roscoe To: ConservingFreedom (#78)
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 13:15:29 Reply Private Reply
#80: Roscoe To: Stoner (#77)
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 13:19:55 Reply Private Reply
#81: Stoner To: Roscoe (#80)
Stoner posted on 2016-07-08 14:17:27 Reply Private Reply
#82: A K A Stone To: Pinguinite (#63)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-07-08 14:37:58 Reply Private Reply
#83: ConservingFreedom To: Roscoe (#79)
I stated agreement with A K A Stone and you butted in with off-topic jabbering. One of us needs help and it ain't me.
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-07-08 15:23:20 Reply Private Reply
#84: Justified To: misterwhite (#36)
Justified posted on 2016-07-08 15:42:44 Reply Private Reply
#85: Pinguinite To: A K A Stone (#82)
Well.... define "they".
It's a universal truth that actions have consequences. If you never change your motor oil, you'll eventually wreck your engine. So if we were talking about someone who never did that, then when the day finally came when their engine is destroyed, we would & could say that yes, the owner got what was coming to him. Is it something to be happy about? No. But we would still say that yes, he got what was coming to him.
IMO, the contemporary police culture is one of paranoia because police are conditioned to believe in a substantial risk that every person they encounter could be a killer. Has this paranoia resulted in saving cops lives? No doubt it has. Has his same paranoia resulted in innocent & good people being killed by cops. Yes it has, as very much seems with the recent CC case in Minnesota.
This is aside from blatant cases of police brutality. What comes to mind is the case in CA several years ago, where cops stopped to hassle a homeless guy, demanding to search his backpack. "See these fists, they're about to fuck you up" I think was one quote by one of the cops involved. The guy eventually took off, apparently in fear for his life, and he was beaten severely by the cops and died a few days later.
Cops were tried. Not guilty verdict. Hillary justice.
These recurring events have consequences, and one of them is to inspire militant minded people to do stuff like what happened in Dallas. It's nothing to celebrate, much like the motor oil example I gave (though obviously not equating the two in severity). And it also seems the cops wounded and killed were largely in solidarity with the protest message of non-violence.
But if the police attitude will continue to be that of excessive paranoia, and brutalizing cops will continue to be undisciplined and remain on police forces, then all cops as a whole, nationwide will remain in more danger because of it.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-07-08 15:56:44 Reply Private Reply
#86: goldilucky To: redleghunter (#62)
Really? And what about shining the light on those cops who shot that lady's fiance in Minnesota several days ago see here: and not also to exclude the fact about those recent shootings in Baton-Rouge, Lousiana.
goldilucky posted on 2016-07-08 17:00:52 Reply Private Reply
#87: Roscoe To: ConservingFreedom (#83)
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 17:11:12 Reply Private Reply
#88: Roscoe To: Pinguinite (#85)
There it is again. Like a dog returns to its vomit...
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 17:12:51 Reply Private Reply
#89: Pinguinite To: Roscoe (#88)
I'm noticing a pattern in your most recent posts. You've obviously long since exhausted whatever supply of logic and dignity you ever may have had, and can only resort to juvenile insults.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-07-08 17:25:43 Reply Private Reply
#90: Roscoe To: goldilucky (#86)
This guy?
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 17:31:42 Reply Private Reply
#91: Roscoe To: Pinguinite (#89)
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 17:33:06 Reply Private Reply
#92: goldilucky To: Roscoe (#90)
Yeah, that something that is missing is the officer's camera that should have been recording the event at traffic stop. Unfortunately, in Minnesota police don't wear body cameras.
goldilucky posted on 2016-07-08 17:56:11 Reply Private Reply
#93: ConservingFreedom To: Roscoe (#87)
Yes, I've put you on ice - shame you haven't the wit to understand that.
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-07-08 17:58:59 Reply Private Reply
#94: Roscoe To: goldilucky (#92)
No, that's not what the article said about the drug-dealing armed robber.
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 18:11:29 Reply Private Reply
#95: Roscoe To: ConservingFreedom (#93)
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 18:12:53 Reply Private Reply
#96: GrandIsland To: Deckard (#31)
lol
It was government hating extremist, like you that struck.
GrandIsland posted on 2016-07-08 18:43:05 Reply Private Reply
#97: Deckard To: Pinguinite, Roscoe (#85)
Here's a former cop who agrees: How Police Training Contributes to Avoidable Deaths
In most police shootings, officers dont shoot out of anger or frustration or hatred. They shoot because they are afraid. And they are afraid because they are constantly barraged with the message that that they should be afraid, that their survival depends on it.
Not only do officers hear it in formal training, they also hear it informally from supervisors and older officers. They talk about it with their peers. They see it on police forums and law enforcement publications.
For example, three of the four stories mentioned on the cover of this months Police Magazine are about dealing with threats to officer safety. Officers actions are grounded in their expectations, and they are taught to expect the worst.
Of course, others have written on the topic of police training, and many seem to agree that cops are trained to look at every encounter as a potentially lethal one.
It's the us vs them syndrome whereby cops are treating all citizens as criminals.
Peddling Paranoia (New Law enforcement officer training curriculum, critics say, creates a risky mindset)
Police training in US makes officers paranoid, fearful
Deckard posted on 2016-07-08 18:55:12 Reply Private Reply
#98: Roscoe To: Deckard (#97)
"And of course, the unfair economic advantages of centuries of oppression were only being refined and entrenched , as Ta-Nehisi Coates has eloquently explained. So when urban black America was finally convulsed by the sort of violence that we would expect from anyone in the face of such vicious and unceasing abuse, many white Americans, the bulk of them probably apolitical, some of them supporters of the civil rights movement, were suddenly and decidedly afraid." -Seth Stroughton
Seth was a report writer with the Tallahassee Police Department for five years, then an investigator in the Florida Department of Education's Office of Inspector General handling tuition voucher fraud.
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 19:14:59 Reply Private Reply
#99: Deckard To: Roscoe (#98)
Former cop.
Deckard posted on 2016-07-08 19:19:08 Reply Private Reply
#100: Roscoe To: Deckard (#99)
Seth was a report writer with the Tallahassee Police Department for five years, then an investigator in the Florida Department of Education's Office of Inspector General handling tuition voucher fraud.
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 19:19:55 Reply Private Reply
#101: Deckard To: Roscoe (#100)
Sounds like a cop to me.
And investigating tuition voucher fraud is a worthwhile endeavor.
Of course, he's not the only one who has stated that police are trained to be paranoid.
Baseless paranoia about crime in America drives police violence
So long as it can be pretended that a police officer had reasonable suspicion his life was in danger, he can get away with anything.
I hope its unfair to accuse every cop who kills an unarmed, nonviolent citizen of having enjoyed doing it. But if the majority of them really do feel their lives are in peril, and that they need to act out in the most lethal manner possible, then there is something seriously wrong with their psychology.
To be that paranoid, that knee-jerk with lethal force, is uncalled for in the streets of America, where violent crime has actually been sharply declining for most of the last 20 years.
But this paranoia is a big part of whats wrong with the average American police officer. Not all of them, of course many, perhaps even most (although the jurys still out) are intelligent, compassionate, reasonable, level-headed people.
But their training not to mention recruitment methods and philosophy prepare them to face an America that is under siege from a powerful criminal element.
This line of thinking has serious consequences for ordinary citizens who encounter police and has resulted in way too many outrageous, egregious instances of police using uncalled-for deadly violence.
Deckard posted on 2016-07-08 19:28:22 Reply Private Reply
#102: Roscoe To: Deckard (#101)
Deadly force voucher fraud.
CopBlock. Alrighty then.
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 19:33:32 Reply Private Reply
#103: Deckard To: Roscoe (#102)
If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, dont be alarmed now its just a spring clean for the May Queen
CopBlock. Alrighty then.
No, Third Rail News.
Learn to read.
Deckard posted on 2016-07-08 19:52:54 Reply Private Reply
#104: Roscoe To: Deckard (#103)
First line in your article:
"If you dont already, you should follow CopBlock on Facebook."
[snigger]
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 20:06:19 Reply Private Reply
#105: Deckard To: Roscoe (#104)
Cop Block isn't the source for the article, they were linked in the story.
This internet thingie a little confusing for you?
Deckard posted on 2016-07-08 20:15:10 Reply Private Reply
#106: Roscoe To: Deckard (#105)
Squirmy. The article offered it as a source.
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 21:23:44 Reply Private Reply
#107: Deckard To: Roscoe (#106)
We're done here.
Deckard posted on 2016-07-08 21:51:00 Reply Private Reply
#108: Roscoe To: Deckard (#107)
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 21:57:50 Reply Private Reply
#109: Deckard To: Roscoe (#108)
Delusional as usual.
Effing troll.
Deckard posted on 2016-07-08 22:08:11 Reply Private Reply
#110: buckeroo To: Deckard (#109)
buckeroo posted on 2016-07-08 22:17:44 Reply Private Reply
#111: Roscoe To: Deckard (#107)
You'll come crawling back for more punishment.
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 22:23:23 Reply Private Reply
#112: Roscoe To: Deckard (#109)
See?
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-08 22:23:50 Reply Private Reply
#113: Pinguinite To: buckeroo (#110)
Sure is acting like one here.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-07-08 23:52:02 Reply Private Reply
#114: goldilucky To: Roscoe (#94)
goldilucky posted on 2016-07-09 02:14:21 Reply Private Reply
#115: Pinguinite To: goldilucky (#114)
I read somewhere that Wisconsin police don't have body cams. At least not yet.
In comparison with the woman who in initially very stoic, the cop seems to be in a state of hysteria.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-07-09 03:36:51 Reply Private Reply
#116: Roscoe To: goldilucky (#114)
From the article that I posted that you read: "St. Anthony Police Officers dont wear body cameras."
Roscoe posted on 2016-07-09 06:25:00 Reply Private Reply
#117: misterwhite To: Pinguinite (#115)
That may be true, but this took place in Minnesota.
Speaking of cameras, do you find it odd that she started recording after the shots? Could it be there's more video before the shots which would negate her story and justify the shooting?
misterwhite posted on 2016-07-09 08:36:04 Reply Private Reply
#118: misterwhite To: Roscoe (#116)
misterwhite posted on 2016-07-09 08:37:35 Reply Private Reply
#119: Stoner To: Roscoe (#90)
Stoner posted on 2016-07-09 09:46:07 Reply Private Reply
#120: Pinguinite To: misterwhite (#117)
Then I'll amend to say the state where the incident took place does not have body cams for police.
No, it is not "odd" at all. Until shots were fired, there would have been minimal reason to record anything.
The possibilities are endless, aren't they? Except that if the guy wanted to do a shootout with the cop who stopped him for a broken tail light with his 4 year old in the back seat, and his girlfriend in the passenger seat, he'd need a pretty good motive.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-07-09 10:45:22 Reply Private Reply
#121: misterwhite To: Pinguinite (#120)
From what I've read elsewhere, I'm not sure it's his 4-year-old or his girlfriend.
Be that as it may, certainly if she started recording as soon as they were pulled over -- and if her story was true -- it would be damning evidence against the police version of events, right? What possible good is a video after the shots were fired?
misterwhite posted on 2016-07-09 11:00:45 Reply Private Reply
#122: Pinguinite To: misterwhite (#121)
Your powers of deduction are incredible.
Well it does show the cop in a state of hysteria, screaming and such, while she remained respectful and calm. It also shows the cop not seeking to administer first aid to try to save the guy, and not immediately calling for an ambulance.
All in all, the cop seems very...... paranoid.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-07-09 11:09:53 Reply Private Reply
#123: misterwhite To: Pinguinite (#122)
It's not paranoia if they're really after you. If you're any example, this cop will be lucky if he keeps his job.
His "side bitch" is calm because she knows she'll continue to get her welfare, housing and food stamps.
misterwhite posted on 2016-07-09 11:33:09 Reply Private Reply
#124: Pinguinite To: misterwhite (#123)
Oh, he'll probably not be criminally penalized or fired, because there are no body cams or audio recordings to back up the woman's claim of events. He will be taken at his word that he told the guy not to reach for his license while her contradictory testimony will not be considered reliable.
AS for paranoia, it is a feeling of fear that others want to harm you, regardless of whether it is true or not. One can be justly paranoid. It's another word for you to learn about, after "mock".
Pinguinite posted on 2016-07-09 12:11:19 Reply Private Reply