BRITONS

"King of the Who?"

The US retreat behind the Great Wall of Trump will you build it at the Rio Grande or the Red River?

Not giving up Texas. Those of Mexican descent almost 200 years ago decided being Texan was better than being part of Mexico.

Question is...Why is Cameron resigning?

Cameron is resigning because he has a vision of the world. His vision of the world included a strong Britain participating in and growing prosperous through participation in the larger E.U.

He believed that the Scots at heart wanted to part of the UK, so he gave them their referendum, campaigned diligently for them to stay, and proved to know the Scots well: they voted to stay.

Likewise, Cameron looked at the UK as a whole, and the difficult and paralyzed political environment caused by Euroskepticism in Britain. He saw that the best future of the UK was as a member in economic unity with Europe, and he believed in it. He thought that the majority of his people believed in it to, so he permitted a referendum specifically to address the issue, once and for all - to let the British people speak and, by their vote for remaining, to be able to clear aside the resistance of the minority to forward steps for further integration with the EU, which he has always believed was best for Britain.

Last night the British people, and particularly the English people, told him quite decisively that they do not agree, that they do not share his belief in the EU, that they want to go another way, a sovereigntist, independent way.

Cameron respects the British people - that's why he let them vote on it. He respects them, but he did not fully understand them. They do not want to go whither he would lead them. They said so last night.

He's heartbroken by it, obviously, but he is also a fundamentally decent and democratic man. The People have spoken, and he respects their verdict. But he himself simply does not believe in the course they have chosen. He cannot enthusiastically embrace it and pretend that he does. Where he would lead them, they will not follow. He doesn't have the heart in it to want to lead them where they do want to go. He doesn't believe in it. It is as he said: he is not the right captain for the ship of state on that course.

So instead of remaining in power and using his position to obstruct and delay the will of the British people, he decided to relinquish command and give it up to some other leader who is willing to sail that course, who believes in it. He doesn't.

He did not inveigh against or berate the British people. He acknowledged their democratic choice and respects it. He also respects himself and his own beliefs, and does not want to lead his nation in a direction he doesn't support.

I think what Cameron has done here is utterly decent. He really seems to be a good man.

I'm reminded of the Honorable Sam Houston, hero of the War of 1812 with Andrew Jackson, governor of Tennessee, then victorious at San Jacinto where he captured Santa Ana and won Texas independence, twice elected President of the Republic of Texas, and elected governor of the State of Texas in 1859.

In 1861, a secession convention voted to secede from the Union. Houston refused to swear loyalty to the Confederacy and so was removed from office.

When offered a US Army command to suppress the rebellion in Texas, he also refused, preferring instead to retire to his rural home in Huntsville, where he died before the war ended.

After he was ousted from the governor's office (on March 28, 1861), as he traveled he was confronted by many Texans who demanded that he explain why he refused to support the Confederacy. Here was his public answer, given from a hotel window in Galveston on April 19, 1861:

""Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South."

Cameron does not believe in Brexit. And, like Sam Houston, he is not willing to lead his nation into what he believes to be a disaster. That is why he resigned.

" I want more, more. "

Then go buy some.

I want more, more. "

Then go buy some.

I have as much as I want at this time. I meant I wanted more (higher) in the way of price.

" I meant I wanted more (higher) in the way of price. "

OK. Patience grasshopper, patience.

The US retreat behind the Great Wall of Trump will you build it at the Rio Grande or the Red River?

I'd gladly build it to keep your poisonous ass out or unable to enter and infect my republic with your progressive idiology.

I'd gladly build it to keep your poisonous ass out or unable to enter and infect my republic with your progressive idiology.

The Australians are idiots, they don't even have a border but they've allowed a bunch of Islamderthals to immigrate. They were running around Bondi Beach raping women "Leb Style."

Patience grasshopper, patience.

(Question is...Why is Cameron resigning?)

Cameron is resigning because ...His vision of the world included a strong Britain participating in and growing prosperous through participation in the larger E.U.

Yes. Cameron is resigning exactly because his nightmarish vision of the world was roundly rejected -- a vision in which subservience and enslavement of personal and national sovereignty of Britain was sacrificed on the altar of his satanic/fascist One World Government masters; His vision where only two classes exist: serf and lord. His loyalty was pledged NOT to Britain, but to his EU overlords.

Cameron respects the British people - that's why he let them vote on it.

He "LET" them?? Well, wasn't THAT awfully white of him? Cameron was an Elitist, with a capital "E". He was Lord of the Flies. He did NOT represent the best interests of the British people. He's lucky he's not run out on a rail straight to Brussels thru the Chunnel as a cautionary tale to other American and Western Elites whose personal "vision" eliminated common sense immigration policy, consent of the governed and pride in a national identity.

Cameron looked at the UK as a whole, and the difficult and paralyzed political environment caused by Euroskepticism in Britain. He saw that the best future of the UK was as a member in economic unity with Europe, and he believed in it.

At what price?

Samuel Adams said it better than anyone:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Btw, that so-called "Euroskepticism in Britain" was caused by impractically insane micro-management of British life under the boot of un-elected bureaucrats in Brussels, and the EU's insane immigration policy which flooded it's green and pleasant land which the stain of unfettered jihadis.

As an aside -- why are mainstays Sneakypete and TooConservative gone? If they disapprove of Trump, then so what. Let everyone debate the way the forum has always been played. We disapproved when JR censored. Of course the usual idiots should be jettisoned.

why are mainstays Sneakypete and TooConservative gone?

Free Sneakypete! Free TooConservative!

Trump endorses Hillary (again).

Free the conservative heterosexuals, dump Trump!

Did Stone go out of his way to fuck some GREAT posters?

Fred Mertz knows, but he's banned.

They were running around Bondi Beach raping women "Leb Style."

They tried that but we jailed them, I agree that we should have less muslims here, the progressive forces of the 70's caused this situation, the mood of the electorate is different today, and our borders are secure, courtesy of the Indian, Pacific and Southern Oceans, which are more effective than a wall. If we didn't have the policies we have there would be thousands drowning and we would be overrun by gun totin' muslims

I'd gladly build it to keep your poisonous ass out or unable to enter and infect my republic with your progressive idiology.

Go ahead but it won't keep me out, not than I want to visit your capitalist utopia anytime soon.

My ideology is not progressive but it is not regressive, I have moved on from the 18th century frontier society and the need to protect myself against the natives. Your problem is you think you live in a democracy

Whether you realize it or not, there is a real cottage industry of hiring illegals in the US. It is complex and structured.

look ethnics hire ethnics, it is easier to exploit your own than others. happens everywhere. It is called discrimination. You have a society that still exploits labour. even if you send these people back you will not fill the jobs those "whites" and "blacks" don't want them, they are "brown" jobs

Tooconservative isn't banned. Never was.

I'm pretty sure he's got a brand new ID he's posting under.

if you send these people back you will not fill the jobs those "whites" and "blacks" don't want them

Whites and blacks do want them. Just not for $6 an hour and no benefits.

Whites and blacks do want them. Just not for $6 an hour and no benefits.

If their only choice was to work those jobs at 8.00 an hour or STARVE... guess what happens.

Our economy needs all three classes. We aren't all equal.

Our economy needs all three classes.

Are you a Marxist believing in class warfare between the proletariat and bourgeoisie?

As an aside -- why are mainstays Sneakypete and TooConservative gone? If they disapprove of Trump, then so what. Let everyone debate the way the forum has always been played. We disapproved when JR censored. Of course the usual idiots should be jettisoned.

Good to hear from you. I hope you have been well?

I'm not aware that either Sneakypete or TooConservativewere were banned, but I am very busy so I may have missed something. Sneakypete was pretty straight about where he stood on things, but TooConservative was a guy who never showed his cards, he just seemed to posture on issues but when you stripped away the layers he was very mush in the GOPe camp. He should have just made his case for why he thought they were doing such a great job.

think the nail in the coffin was when the EU countries were ordered to take refugees, when it was Germany's problem.

it was a nail in the coffin when they tried to create an undemocratic 'nation' on a common currency ,and some common defense. They left out some key ingredients like common language and customs. The EU was always a false entity . Most of the Brit laws in recent years have come out of the unelected hall of Brussels. If I were a Brit I would've voted to exit just on that issue alone.

Are you a Marxist believing in class warfare between the proletariat and bourgeoisie?

No, scumbag. I'm a conservative thinking capitalist that knows that when you feed the animals, they become dependent. Just like when they knowingly, willingly and INTENTIONALLY become a drug ADDICT.

If you don't want to live under the socialist umbrella of income redistribution, you best start liking the idea that we as a FREE nation need working poor to pump out septic tanks, middle class to manufacture the toilet that fills those septic tanks and the wealthy that shit in those toilets and septic tanks while they employ the thousands in their complies.

I deserve my FREEDOM to become as rich as I'm willing to work for.

We ain't all equal... we never were.

Whites and blacks do want them. Just not for $6 an hour and no benefits.

If their only choice was to work those jobs at 8.00 an hour or STARVE... guess what happens.

Just to be clear about my point.

These jobs are essentially CLOSED to non-Hispanic workers. They are not advertised, the only way you get them is by word of mouth. The people who hire for these jobs and even the people who work them are highly suspicious of outsiders. If I were to go there ( assuming I wanted to work in the hot sun all day for $6 an hour), they would say sorry, no openings. Even unknown Hispanics are not trusted.

There are large American farmers and builders who control this. They stay far in the background. They hire legal Hispanics as subcontractors. They hire mostly illegals who are glad to have this work because they have guaranteed money on a regular basis. They wouldn't be able to get any job that required a SSN. Most any white or black legal could fairly easily get a better job than this for more money. If these field jobs paid $15 an hour ( as they probably should in a free market that consisted solely of legal citizens) many Americans would be lining up to do the work.

These illegals also know how to game the system. It is very hard to get SNAP, but they can get medicaid pretty easily. They don't feel guilty at all about what they are doing, and just feel they are doing what they need to do to make good lives.

This is not a conspiracy theory. It's the way this works. Anybody who has been around it knows it.

Good to see the UK get out of the EU criminal enterprise.

Watch the exodus of muslim freeloaders. now Brit Vets can start fighting back.

and to add to that the price of oil is coming down.

Think what a Trump victory will mean to gold, silver and real estate.

Now start jumping up and down while wailing at the top of your voice ... throw a real hissy fit.

ROTFL ...

ROTFL ...

Think what a Trump victory will mean to gold, silver and real estate.

What would it mean?

it was a nail in the coffin when they tried to create an undemocratic 'nation' on a common currency ,and some common defense. They left out some key ingredients like common language and customs. The EU was always a false entity . Most of the Brit laws in recent years have come out of the unelected hall of Brussels. If I were a Brit I would've voted to exit just on that issue alone.

Tom this isn't done in isolation we will all feel the impact, this is the GFC all over again, particularly in Britain. There is a selfish part of me that says this is good for my nation, we will regain lost markets, and there is a part of me that says I don't need another hit to the bottom line and our stocks and currency have taken a big hit. The EU has trodden all over democratic process and has recieved a smack in the face for allowing it. We have all forgotten that they will not emerge from this unscaved, they are no longer the largest economy in the World with the prospect of others leaving, we may even observe the break up of the UK after 300 years, a lesson to all federations, I hear Texas wants out

I hear Texas wants out

Bravado talk. Im not opposed to it but the problem is progressives in charge of the US govenrment are ruining the lives of the average person for their own personal desires. In time the corrupt group would find its way into Texas government. It always starts with "its to help the poor disadvantage peoples"!

It would be nice to see a bunch of demoncrats squeal and hopefully run across the border so they can get US government tit back.

How long ago was that?

Probably around the time that the name was changed from "TooConservative" to "tooconservative". TC lost the capital letters when he was reinstated. A search shows no record of the name with caps. "Revisionist history", at it's finest.

"We've always been at war with Eastasia" ~George Orwell, 1984

Trump has always been a conservative. /s