When it was 1.5% in it was 49.5 stay, 50.5 leave, the leaves seem to widening the gap.
2.6% Reporting
Votes Remain a member of the European Union 48.4% 280,820
Leave the European Union 51.6% 299,598
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This is a wonderful surprise.
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When it was 1.5% in it was 49.5 stay, 50.5 leave, the leaves seem to widening the gap.
2.6% Reporting
Votes Remain a member of the European Union 48.4% 280,820
Leave the European Union 51.6% 299,598
Poster Comment:
This is a wonderful surprise.
#68: nativist nationalist To: Liberator (#50)
Good to hear from you. I hope you have been well?
I'm not aware that either Sneakypete or TooConservativewere were banned, but I am very busy so I may have missed something. Sneakypete was pretty straight about where he stood on things, but TooConservative was a guy who never showed his cards, he just seemed to posture on issues but when you stripped away the layers he was very mush in the GOPe camp. He should have just made his case for why he thought they were doing such a great job.
nativist nationalist posted on 2016-06-25 09:39:48 Reply Private Reply
#69: tomder55 To: paraclete (#17)
it was a nail in the coffin when they tried to create an undemocratic 'nation' on a common currency ,and some common defense. They left out some key ingredients like common language and customs. The EU was always a false entity . Most of the Brit laws in recent years have come out of the unelected hall of Brussels. If I were a Brit I would've voted to exit just on that issue alone.
tomder55 posted on 2016-06-25 09:41:52 Reply Private Reply
#70: tomder55 To: redleghunter, Too Conservative (#37)
tomder55 posted on 2016-06-25 09:46:25 Reply Private Reply
#71: GrandIsland To: buckeroo (#67)
No, scumbag. I'm a conservative thinking capitalist that knows that when you feed the animals, they become dependent. Just like when they knowingly, willingly and INTENTIONALLY become a drug ADDICT.
If you don't want to live under the socialist umbrella of income redistribution, you best start liking the idea that we as a FREE nation need working poor to pump out septic tanks, middle class to manufacture the toilet that fills those septic tanks and the wealthy that shit in those toilets and septic tanks while they employ the thousands in their complies.
I deserve my FREEDOM to become as rich as I'm willing to work for.
We ain't all equal... we never were.
GrandIsland posted on 2016-06-25 10:14:04 Reply Private Reply
#72: no gnu taxes To: GrandIsland (#66)
Just to be clear about my point.
These jobs are essentially CLOSED to non-Hispanic workers. They are not advertised, the only way you get them is by word of mouth. The people who hire for these jobs and even the people who work them are highly suspicious of outsiders. If I were to go there ( assuming I wanted to work in the hot sun all day for $6 an hour), they would say sorry, no openings. Even unknown Hispanics are not trusted.
There are large American farmers and builders who control this. They stay far in the background. They hire legal Hispanics as subcontractors. They hire mostly illegals who are glad to have this work because they have guaranteed money on a regular basis. They wouldn't be able to get any job that required a SSN. Most any white or black legal could fairly easily get a better job than this for more money. If these field jobs paid $15 an hour ( as they probably should in a free market that consisted solely of legal citizens) many Americans would be lining up to do the work.
These illegals also know how to game the system. It is very hard to get SNAP, but they can get medicaid pretty easily. They don't feel guilty at all about what they are doing, and just feel they are doing what they need to do to make good lives.
This is not a conspiracy theory. It's the way this works. Anybody who has been around it knows it.
no gnu taxes posted on 2016-06-25 13:50:41 Reply Private Reply
#73: buckeroo To: A K A Stone, sneakypete (#63)
buckeroo posted on 2016-06-25 16:26:31 Reply Private Reply
#74: BobCeleste To: redleghunter (#40)
Watch the exodus of muslim freeloaders. now Brit Vets can start fighting back.
BobCeleste posted on 2016-06-25 17:00:21 Reply Private Reply
#75: BobCeleste To: SOSO (#34)
and to add to that the price of oil is coming down.
Think what a Trump victory will mean to gold, silver and real estate.
BobCeleste posted on 2016-06-25 17:01:17 Reply Private Reply
#76: Gatlin To: buckeroo (#73)
Now start jumping up and down while wailing at the top of your voice ... throw a real hissy fit.
ROTFL ...
Gatlin posted on 2016-06-25 17:26:50 Reply Private Reply
#77: buckeroo To: Gatlin (#76)
buckeroo posted on 2016-06-25 17:32:22 Reply Private Reply
#78: Vicomte13 To: TooConservative (#59)
Vicomte13 posted on 2016-06-25 22:30:01 Reply Private Reply
#79: GrandIsland To: Vicomte13 (#78)
GrandIsland posted on 2016-06-25 22:43:02 Reply Private Reply
#80: Gatlin To: buckeroo (#77)
ROTFL ...
Gatlin posted on 2016-06-25 22:56:11 Reply Private Reply
#81: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#78)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-06-26 00:29:38 Reply Private Reply
#82: SOSO To: BobCeleste (#75)
What would it mean?
SOSO posted on 2016-06-26 00:34:08 Reply Private Reply
#83: paraclete To: SOSO (#82)
paraclete posted on 2016-06-26 06:46:25 Reply Private Reply
#84: paraclete To: tomder55 (#69)
Tom this isn't done in isolation we will all feel the impact, this is the GFC all over again, particularly in Britain. There is a selfish part of me that says this is good for my nation, we will regain lost markets, and there is a part of me that says I don't need another hit to the bottom line and our stocks and currency have taken a big hit. The EU has trodden all over democratic process and has recieved a smack in the face for allowing it. We have all forgotten that they will not emerge from this unscaved, they are no longer the largest economy in the World with the prospect of others leaving, we may even observe the break up of the UK after 300 years, a lesson to all federations, I hear Texas wants out
paraclete posted on 2016-06-26 06:54:10 Reply Private Reply
#85: Justified To: paraclete (#84)
Bravado talk. Im not opposed to it but the problem is progressives in charge of the US govenrment are ruining the lives of the average person for their own personal desires. In time the corrupt group would find its way into Texas government. It always starts with "its to help the poor disadvantage peoples"!
It would be nice to see a bunch of demoncrats squeal and hopefully run across the border so they can get US government tit back.
Justified posted on 2016-06-26 10:24:34 Reply Private Reply
#86: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#81)
Vicomte13 posted on 2016-06-26 10:52:45 Reply Private Reply
#87: Hondo68 To: Vicomte13, A K A Stone (#86)
Probably around the time that the name was changed from "TooConservative" to "tooconservative". TC lost the capital letters when he was reinstated. A search shows no record of the name with caps. "Revisionist history", at it's finest.
"We've always been at war with Eastasia" ~George Orwell, 1984
Trump has always been a conservative. /s
Hondo68 posted on 2016-06-26 11:36:32 Reply Private Reply
#88: GrandIsland To: hondo68 (#87)
GrandIsland posted on 2016-06-26 11:58:23 Reply Private Reply
#89: A K A Stone To: hondo68 (#87)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-06-26 12:40:57 Reply Private Reply
#90: A K A Stone To: Vicomte13 (#86)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-06-26 12:42:33 Reply Private Reply
#91: A K A Stone To: GrandIsland (#88)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-06-26 12:43:00 Reply Private Reply
#92: Hondo68 To: A K A Stone (#89)
You are mistaken dumb ass transgender Trump groupie. Here's a LF page from The Wayback Machine... Note the capitals letters in TooConservative.
Those were happier times, when we could discuss things in an adult manner. Then Trump came along, and temper tantrums....
https://web.archive.org/web/20151226091916/http://libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/latestcomments.cgi
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#93: Hondo68 To: GrandIsland, ConservingFreedom (#88)
I'm not an authoritarian progressive Jack Booted Thug control freak like you are, so I don't care.
CT freak!
Hondo68 posted on 2016-06-26 14:04:46 Reply Private Reply
#94: Vicomte13 To: A K A Stone (#90)
Ah well, that happens.
I've had a few temper tantrums myself, and gone away. I get bored and come back.
He apparently has other things to do with his time, so he has stayed away.
In the end it doesn't really make a difference either way.
Brexiit was fun, Now if we can get Trump and a Frexit out of it, that'd be even better.
Vicomte13 posted on 2016-06-26 14:08:05 Reply Private Reply
#95: ConservingFreedom To: GrandIsland, hondo68, Gatlin (#88)
As I pointed out to Gatlin via LFmail:
TC was posting until April 13:
libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...? ArtNum=45720&Disp=34#C34
while my first post was on March 26:
libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=45337
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-06-26 14:29:03 Reply Private Reply
#96: tomder55 To: paraclete (#84)
Texas and the territory brought into the Union in consequence of annexation, were purchased with both blood and treasure; and Texas, with a domain greater than that of any European state except Russia, was permitted to retain as state property all the public lands within its borders.
It would have been ingratitude and injustice of the most flagrant sort for this State to withdraw from the Union after all that had been spent and done to introduce her
tomder55 posted on 2016-06-26 14:34:16 Reply Private Reply
#97: tomder55 To: paraclete (#84)
The Scotts may break so they can stay in the EU . Hoping the Brits go further and reform their own socialist dystopia,
tomder55 posted on 2016-06-26 14:40:27 Reply Private Reply
#98: ConservingFreedom To: All (#0)
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-06-26 15:03:55 Reply Private Reply
#99: SOSO To: paraclete (#83)
At least that and more. I don't like Trump but I can't stand Hillary or anything DRat. If I could I would piss on all of the Millennials. Unfortunately it seems that both Hillary and the Millennials will win and they will piss on me. OZ isn't immune to this. If your society hasn't yet started to change it will - kind of as in On The Beach, it's inevitable.
SOSO posted on 2016-06-26 15:07:58 Reply Private Reply
#100: BobCeleste To: SOSO (#82)
I would think that real things, like God, silver, Real Estate and a few others will go thru the roof, but paper will tank till it reaches a level where it actually reflects the value of the company and it's leadership.
Just my guess.
BobCeleste posted on 2016-06-26 15:39:40 Reply Private Reply
#101: SOSO To: BobCeleste (#100)
Trump has shown little use for God in his either of his private and public life (other than when he is trying to con Evangelicals that is).
SOSO posted on 2016-06-26 15:46:56 Reply Private Reply
#102: Hondo68 To: ConservingFreedom (#98)
Sorry, I did it in #92 above. Didn't clean up the html code enough... ping lists line.
Hondo68 posted on 2016-06-26 15:48:29 Reply Private Reply
#103: ConservingFreedom To: hondo68 (#102)
Dude! Not cool. Has your Edit option on that post expired?
ConservingFreedom posted on 2016-06-26 16:13:00 Reply Private Reply
#104: A K A Stone To: hondo68, pinguinite (#92)
You're either editing or wayback machine is.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-06-26 19:24:26 Reply Private Reply
#105: Hondo68 To: A K A Stone, pinguinite (#104)
Look at this thread from the end of March 2016. libertysflame.com/cgi-bin...ArtNum=45431&Disp=All&#C2
All of the replies from others to TC are addressed as being to "TooConservative". All of TC's comments have been changed to being from, lowercase "tooconservative".
This appears to be a software feature involving superuser/administrative level permissions. It's real.
Hondo68 posted on 2016-06-26 21:08:17 Reply Private Reply
#106: nolu chan To: hondo68, A K A Stone, pinguinite (#105)
hondo is correct about the upper/lower, but even better to look here. This is also the day of TC's last post.
http://www2.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=45724&Disp=3#C3
nolu chan posted on 2016-06-26 21:45:30 Reply Private Reply
#107: Hondo68 To: nolu chan (#106)
Thanks for finding that. I knew that it was discussed but couldn't find it.
Hondo68 posted on 2016-06-26 21:52:52 Reply Private Reply
#108: A K A Stone To: nolu chan, hondo68 (#106)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-06-26 22:20:51 Reply Private Reply
#109: A K A Stone To: All (#108)
A K A Stone posted on 2016-06-26 22:22:20 Reply Private Reply
#110: paraclete To: SOSO (#99)
I think we are beyond On the Beach. That movie created a wrong idea of our society and has no relevance today. We find the millenials here a shiftless lot, probably due to lack of opportunity, if you don't have skills in this society, you don't go far. They cannot be expected to exhibit any political view unless rabble roused on Facebook or Twitter. Anyway we will euthanase ourselves because some twit in the UK or US made a mess
paraclete posted on 2016-06-26 22:30:12 Reply Private Reply
#111: SOSO To: paraclete (#110)
As those of us that are not millennials or are not trying to sell then something do. You kid yourself if you think the millennial mindset is not impacting your society. The following is some light reading selected to expand you understanding of your ouwn society:
Millennial Survey 2016
How to connect with the Millennial Generation
And this one is especially for you.
Show me a baby boomer who thinks Australian millennials are a bunch of self-interested slackers and Ill show you Jennifer Rayners Generation Less. Gina Rushton is a millennial, and a journalist on The Australian. Generation Less: How Australia is Cheating the Young, By Jennifer Rayner. She clearly sees things quite differently as you - in fact she claims that you are dead wrong in your characterization of OZ's Millenial generation and in fact blames you for their sense of hopelessly.
"Older Australians frequently haul out this tired trope of the millennial as a self-indulgent product of the proliferation of identity politics: a crude device-dependent caricature believing he or she is a special snowflake who deserves to float through the workforce and property market without sacrifice, patience and the expenditure of elbow grease. But Rayners palpable frustration is fuelled by the understanding that her cohort is precisely the same as its forebears: Theres nothing exceptional about todays younger workers; they are not looking for a special leg-up, just a raft of policies to better target the new barriers they face.
Home ownership a dream I gave up as soon as I entered the rental market obviously takes up a large chunk of the essay. Rayner doesnt begrudge homeowners and insists they havent intentionally shut the door to the property market behind them. But she understands why her peers have given up on the Australian dream. Sacrifice doesnt get you as much as it used to: Years of scrimping to buy a draughty weatherboard or a house-and-land package an hour from the city just isnt worth it.
One aspect that filled me with a peculiar smugness was the acknowledgment that our parents are beneficiaries of some of the things they like to tell you they didnt have in their day, when in fact they directly benefit from globalisation and the rise of technology right here and right now. It is still their day."
One last piece of info for you. Globally by 2020, Millennials Will Comprise Half the Global Workforce. Does OZ have a social security system?
SOSO posted on 2016-06-27 00:38:01 Reply Private Reply
#112: redleghunter To: Vicomte13 (#42)
redleghunter posted on 2016-06-27 00:51:39 Reply Private Reply
#113: redleghunter To: Liberator (#50)
redleghunter posted on 2016-06-27 00:54:08 Reply Private Reply
#114: Pinguinite To: hondo68, A K A Stone, nolu chan (#105)
To understand things properly, one must know that in the software, there is a table of all screen names, and each screen name is assigned a unique index number.
The administrator can change a screen name, but the index number associated with it does not change. This index number is what is used in the software to ID the person making each comment. So if the administrator changes a screen name, then the displayed name shown as the *author* of all comments made by that person will be retroactively changed.
However....
There are 2 separate mechanisms involved with tracking who is pinged to comments.
The first mechanism is simply the "To" line. It is recorded as text exactly as the commenting author specifies, complete with misspellings or upper/lower case mistakes. This is the "To" line that is displayed when reading a thread.
The second mechanism is involves the addition of entries in the DB that find the index number of all screen names appearing on the "To" line. The software does a case insensitive match, or tries to, of all names in the To line to an existing screen names. Those that are found have the associated index numbers added to a table for that particular comment.
Even so, any comments displayed have the original "To" line shown, appearing exactly as the author specified.
The end result is that if a screen name is altered by an administrator, even if it's just some letters from upper to lower case, all comments authored by that person are retroactively changed to show the new name. But the screen names shown on the "To" line are not altered, so the original screen name will still appear.
Modifying all "To" lines to reflect these changes is a much bigger task and potentially problematic, as people sometimes misspell screen names or address people in unusual ways.
If TooConservative's screen name was errantly changed to "tooconservative" the easy fix is to just rename it with the proper case.
Pinguinite posted on 2016-06-27 02:29:51 Reply Private Reply
#115: paraclete To: SOSO (#111)
paraclete posted on 2016-06-27 10:31:27 Reply Private Reply
#116: SOSO To: paraclete (#115)
Yeah, I know., the U.S. is responsible for everything wrong in the world.
SOSO posted on 2016-06-30 02:33:46 Reply Private Reply
#117: paraclete To: SOSO (#116)
pretty much. G.H.W. Bush wanted the NWO and to make the US the policeman of the world and the outworking of that has been wars and problems and the US is still trying to live up to it
paraclete posted on 2016-06-30 22:39:42 Reply Private Reply