I could never imagine myself really cheering on ENGLAND, the hereditary foe.

But here goes: RULE BRITANNIA! BRITANNIA RULE THE WAVES! BRITONS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER SHALL BE SLAVES!

God Save the Queen!

If the British do this thing, France will follow suit - the French people are really disgusted with the EU now, especially after Germany soiled the bed by opening up to millions of Muslim immigrants without consulting anybody.

I was rooting for Scottish Independence because I really just hate the English. But if the English actually do it, if they really decide to recapture their sovereignty tonight, I will want to kiss every Englishwoman or Englishman I meet.

GULP. Rule Britannia! GULP.

First, the polls indicated that Remain would win.

Second, there are so many trillions at stake that I assumed that the Remain forces would successfully rig the vote to ensure they got the result they wanted.

So, seeing the Leave vote apparently surging, and seeing that it's actually apparently going to happen, it's wonderful.

It's wonderful because so many other nations are chafing at the EU bit as well. France, Holland, Denmark, Sweden - their people all want to go. With England out, it will be very easy for France to do the same now.

The EU could have been a grand thing. But it didn't live up to it promise. It became dominated by a narrow, strangling financial interest and lost the support of its people.

But really, when the Germans simply opened up their borders, without consultation with their neighbors (with whom they have the open borders pact) and let in millions of Muslims, they effectively fed rat poison to the EU project.

BREXIT means that the "yob" vote, the nationalist vote, wins. And that is a very good sign for Donald Trump too.

3.4% Reporting
Votes

Remain a member of the European Union 49.2% 452,480

Leave the European Union 50.8% 467,017

It's a surprise to me that anyone is predicting victory with only 3.4% Reporting.

The margin of "victory" has decreased substantially since the original post. It's just too early to tell.

It's just too early to tell.

Mayhaps another 6 hours will pass before we see any firming of the voting. Good comment.

I was rooting for Scottish Independence because I really just hate the English. But if the English actually do it, if they really decide to recapture their sovereignty tonight, I will want to kiss every Englishwoman or Englishman I meet.

I agree with every word you wrote.

Mayhaps another 6 hours will pass before we see any firming of the voting. Good comment.

I believe you are right, but it is off to bed with me.

BREXIT means that the "yob" vote, the nationalist vote, wins. And that is a very good sign for Donald Trump too.

Somehow, I expected a Trumperette waving their POM-POMs to swing on by this thread wildly waving their legs aloft giving prognostications for Trump. Good GOD, man, have you no dignity?

With Brexit, I have a surprise, smashing victory for my beliefs. Free immigration of French people into England, or English into French, or Dutch and Irish and Danes, all that - nobody cares about that. But free immigration of every Muslim who happens to get an immigration card from some dithering government on the periphery? NO! Just like the Mexican Border. NO, dammit - we have the right to determine who gets to be here.

Any time you can stick your finger in the progressive's eye it's worth it!

NO! Just like the Mexican Border. NO, dammit - we have the right to determine who gets to be here.

You are confused about international agreements such as in the integration of free passage between member countries and a single currency in the EU, as opposed to separate nations that share a common border such as the US & Mexico with the Clinton NAFTA agreement which is a completely DIFFERENT approach to the respective neighborhood.

GEESH, Trumperettes trully are silly POM POM girlz!

Apparently, neither are the British people. They've been in the EU for a long time, and they've had their fill of it. Now they are leaving, reasserting their sovereignty, and charting their own course for the future.

And immigration into their country at rates beyond which they were willing to tolerate was a core factor in their decision.

America faces the same issue. The political classes and the economic classes view broad immigration as good for the country - as defined by their interests. But the broad back of the people do not. Because the political and economic classes refuse to listen and will not yield, they will have to be broken. By Trump.

The issue is the same on both sides of the sea.

It is why a Frexit will be on the cards next. The French are well and truly sick of it also, and they will be voting with their feet. The English example gives them an incredible boost in hope.

Rule Britannia, Britannia rule your own land again. God save the Queen.

What a wonderful result!

Markets won't like it, but they'll get over it - they always do.

Another Titanic has hit an iceburg and the bleeding hearts of Europe will bleed some more

11:43 PM British Sky News calls the election: the British people have voted for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union.

What a wonderful result!

Excellent news!

Markets won't like it, but they'll get over it - they always do.

The global stock markets, debt markets and currency markets are going bat sh*t crazy. I am expecting to take about an overall 2-3% hit on an overall well balanced portfolio tomorrow morning. But like you I believe this is an over reaction and the markets will more or less rebound in the short term. The fact is that the UK isn't getting out of the EU any time soon.

Might to time to get some bargains

I wouldn't wait too long to pounce.

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June 23 = UK Independence Day

Who next? Not Greece, they are to deep in debt, but maybe the Frogs?

Who next?

France.

But like you, I believe this is an over reaction

Truth be told, it's a tantrum by the moneymen. Nationalism trumped economics. Hard. They don't like that, it's not in their playbook for major nations to do that.

When minor nations do it, they close in and punish. But when the UK does it, they find their money power really is inferior to democracy, and it panics them, and pisses them off, so they have a tantrum.

My grandfather was in WWII he said they were stinky people who didn't bathe.

Thanks.

and in November, this country is going to be heard loud and clear about our borders being sealed up

The US retreat behind the Great Wall of Trump will you build it at the Rio Grande or the Red River?

Well, the market just opened, and Gold is up 65.70

I want more, more.

The US retreat behind the Great Wall of Trump will you build it at the Rio Grande or the Red River?

That would not be a retreat but an attack on our invaders.

What would the Land of OZ do if illegals were pouring into your country by the secret boat loads in the same relative proportions to what has and is happening in the U.S.? Would you sh*t or go blind OR "retreat" behind walls along your shorelines? Are the kids of illegals born in your country automatically citizens of Oz? Do you permit anchor babies and allow their illegal extended families to stay in your country and put then all of them on the government dole, provide for their medical needs and schooling?

The UK gave its answer of sorts to that question yesterday? Was that a retreat?

For whatever Trump is, he might have the best answer to the illegal infestation problem of the U.S. but he sure has a better answer than anyone currently in power or prior or prospective. And certainly an infinitely better answer than Hillary's.

When the French officers came enmasse to my command post they smelled worse than we did.

My unit was in the field without showers for over a month and they (the French) who just came from a 5 star hotel to the field location stunk up the joint.

However the Dutch have them beat. We used to hand out 'care packages' of personal hygiene items to the Dutch or just leave it in their workspace hoping they would use it. They would take everything but the underarm deodorant. Go figure, the thing they needed most.

LOL so true.

When the French officers came enmasse to my command post they smelled worse than we did.

My unit was in the field without showers for over a month and they (the French) who just came from a 5 star hotel to the field location stunk up the joint.

However the Dutch have them beat. We used to hand out 'care packages' of personal hygiene items to the Dutch or just leave it in their workspace hoping they would use it. They would take everything but the underarm deodorant. Go figure, the thing they needed most.

PING to above. I know TC loves all the hygiene and potty stories. :)

BRITONS

"King of the Who?"

The US retreat behind the Great Wall of Trump will you build it at the Rio Grande or the Red River?

Not giving up Texas. Those of Mexican descent almost 200 years ago decided being Texan was better than being part of Mexico.

Question is...Why is Cameron resigning?

Cameron is resigning because he has a vision of the world. His vision of the world included a strong Britain participating in and growing prosperous through participation in the larger E.U.

He believed that the Scots at heart wanted to part of the UK, so he gave them their referendum, campaigned diligently for them to stay, and proved to know the Scots well: they voted to stay.

Likewise, Cameron looked at the UK as a whole, and the difficult and paralyzed political environment caused by Euroskepticism in Britain. He saw that the best future of the UK was as a member in economic unity with Europe, and he believed in it. He thought that the majority of his people believed in it to, so he permitted a referendum specifically to address the issue, once and for all - to let the British people speak and, by their vote for remaining, to be able to clear aside the resistance of the minority to forward steps for further integration with the EU, which he has always believed was best for Britain.

Last night the British people, and particularly the English people, told him quite decisively that they do not agree, that they do not share his belief in the EU, that they want to go another way, a sovereigntist, independent way.

Cameron respects the British people - that's why he let them vote on it. He respects them, but he did not fully understand them. They do not want to go whither he would lead them. They said so last night.

He's heartbroken by it, obviously, but he is also a fundamentally decent and democratic man. The People have spoken, and he respects their verdict. But he himself simply does not believe in the course they have chosen. He cannot enthusiastically embrace it and pretend that he does. Where he would lead them, they will not follow. He doesn't have the heart in it to want to lead them where they do want to go. He doesn't believe in it. It is as he said: he is not the right captain for the ship of state on that course.

So instead of remaining in power and using his position to obstruct and delay the will of the British people, he decided to relinquish command and give it up to some other leader who is willing to sail that course, who believes in it. He doesn't.

He did not inveigh against or berate the British people. He acknowledged their democratic choice and respects it. He also respects himself and his own beliefs, and does not want to lead his nation in a direction he doesn't support.

I think what Cameron has done here is utterly decent. He really seems to be a good man.

I'm reminded of the Honorable Sam Houston, hero of the War of 1812 with Andrew Jackson, governor of Tennessee, then victorious at San Jacinto where he captured Santa Ana and won Texas independence, twice elected President of the Republic of Texas, and elected governor of the State of Texas in 1859.

In 1861, a secession convention voted to secede from the Union. Houston refused to swear loyalty to the Confederacy and so was removed from office.

When offered a US Army command to suppress the rebellion in Texas, he also refused, preferring instead to retire to his rural home in Huntsville, where he died before the war ended.

After he was ousted from the governor's office (on March 28, 1861), as he traveled he was confronted by many Texans who demanded that he explain why he refused to support the Confederacy. Here was his public answer, given from a hotel window in Galveston on April 19, 1861:

""Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South."

Cameron does not believe in Brexit. And, like Sam Houston, he is not willing to lead his nation into what he believes to be a disaster. That is why he resigned.

" I want more, more. "

Then go buy some.

I want more, more. "

Then go buy some.

I have as much as I want at this time. I meant I wanted more (higher) in the way of price.

" I meant I wanted more (higher) in the way of price. "

OK. Patience grasshopper, patience.

The US retreat behind the Great Wall of Trump will you build it at the Rio Grande or the Red River?

I'd gladly build it to keep your poisonous ass out or unable to enter and infect my republic with your progressive idiology.

I'd gladly build it to keep your poisonous ass out or unable to enter and infect my republic with your progressive idiology.

The Australians are idiots, they don't even have a border but they've allowed a bunch of Islamderthals to immigrate. They were running around Bondi Beach raping women "Leb Style."

Patience grasshopper, patience.

(Question is...Why is Cameron resigning?)

Cameron is resigning because ...His vision of the world included a strong Britain participating in and growing prosperous through participation in the larger E.U.

Yes. Cameron is resigning exactly because his nightmarish vision of the world was roundly rejected -- a vision in which subservience and enslavement of personal and national sovereignty of Britain was sacrificed on the altar of his satanic/fascist One World Government masters; His vision where only two classes exist: serf and lord. His loyalty was pledged NOT to Britain, but to his EU overlords.

Cameron respects the British people - that's why he let them vote on it.

He "LET" them?? Well, wasn't THAT awfully white of him? Cameron was an Elitist, with a capital "E". He was Lord of the Flies. He did NOT represent the best interests of the British people. He's lucky he's not run out on a rail straight to Brussels thru the Chunnel as a cautionary tale to other American and Western Elites whose personal "vision" eliminated common sense immigration policy, consent of the governed and pride in a national identity.

Cameron looked at the UK as a whole, and the difficult and paralyzed political environment caused by Euroskepticism in Britain. He saw that the best future of the UK was as a member in economic unity with Europe, and he believed in it.

At what price?

Samuel Adams said it better than anyone:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Btw, that so-called "Euroskepticism in Britain" was caused by impractically insane micro-management of British life under the boot of un-elected bureaucrats in Brussels, and the EU's insane immigration policy which flooded it's green and pleasant land which the stain of unfettered jihadis.

As an aside -- why are mainstays Sneakypete and TooConservative gone? If they disapprove of Trump, then so what. Let everyone debate the way the forum has always been played. We disapproved when JR censored. Of course the usual idiots should be jettisoned.