Any President that sends troops off to war should have a clear understanding that the troops may die in active combat.

Absolutely. But a president does not need to have military experience to understand this … all he needs for this is compassion.

The President requires the experience to understand the nature, indeed the gravity of exploitation of American lives in combat, particularly when the wars that the US entertains have little to do with soverign US security.

There is no military service “qualification” to be president, what counts is judgment. The president has a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who has the required experience to understand the nature and the gravity of sending American lives into combat. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff serves as the principal military adviser to the president and receives a salary of 20,263.50 a month … let him earn his friggi’n pay.

I worry for you, tater.

That’s because you don’t see reality correctly. Your emotions, your beliefs and your way of thinking motivates you to distort reality. It causes you to lie to yourself and collect SELECTIVE data to come up with the wrong conclusions.

Your recommendation is another source or input about contemporary American fascism.

You call it what you want to.

I call it what it is ... FACTUAL.

I call it what it is ... FACTUAL.

You can't distinguish FACT from IMAGINATION.

I worry for you, tater.

A Bucky Code for: You have beaten me down and I no longer know what to say in reply to your intelligent posts.

I call it what it is ... FACTUAL.

You can't distinguish FACT from IMAGINATION.

I can move back on topic:

The government charged 210,000 people with draft violations, ranging from burning their draft cards to refusing to serve to fleeing the country.

Trump was never charged with violating the Selective Service law. His student deferments were routine. And unless someone has new information, there is no legal issue with his medical deferment.

Bubba dodged. So many others went in the National Guard.

Plus the dope smoking hippies who flew to Canada should emulate Trump for being one of them.

Don't know how the leftists have any moral fiber in calling Trump a draft dodger.

A North Korean state media website on Tuesday published an op-ed praising Donald Trump, who said two weeks ago he would be willing to speak directly to Pyongyang's young leader, Kim Jong Un.

Writing in DPRK Today, a self-described Chinese North Korean scholar named Han Yong Mook called the presumptive Republican nominee "wise" and a "far-sighted presidential candidate."

People from all over the world are praising Trump.

Say it, Bucky ... PRESIDENT TRUMP ... say it proudly.

Responding to questions about his contributions to veterans’ charities, Donald Trump detailed today the groups that have shared the millions he said he collected at his Iowa fundraiser in January.

“I raised close to $6 million. It will probably be over that amount when it's all said and done, but as of this moment, it’s $5.6 million,” Trump asserted today at a news conference at Trump Tower in New York.

You can't distinguish FACT from IMAGINATION.

To Gatlin, Obama is just a Kenyan version of George Washington. He's that far out of touch with reality, and into authority figure worship.

George Hussein Washington

To Gatlin, Obama is just a Kenyan version of George Washington.

I would never say that ... you just did.

However, now that you bring their names up ... it would be interesting to compare Washington to Obama … let’s do so.

Washington had a unique leadership style. He was courageous, conscientious, honest, and hard working. In his recent book, The Return Of George Washington, Ed Larson writes how Washington was instrumental in the drafting and ratification of the Constitution. Larson noted to American Thinker, “I call him the general contractor of the Constitution. He wanted to move the country forward and would listen to people about the best way to get there.”

On the other hand, President Obama is close-minded and appears to be disengaged. For example, in fighting the war on terror, his advisors have repeated time and again that ground forces are needed to fight ISIS. Retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, stated, “When we give our military commanders a mission, we should allow them to execute that mission, and not overly constrain them with approved authorities, but then having to come back to the administration for permission. Either we need to review those authorities and those permissions, or we need to change the commanders because we apparently don’t trust them to do the job that we’ve given them to do

“When we give our military commanders a mission, we should

allow them to execute

that mission, and not overly constrain them with approved authorities, but then having to come back to the administration for permission

If you want Senator McCain and General Hillary's ISIS to take over your community, elect their "freedom fighters" to your local government.

Enjoy your new ISIS mayor and city council executing you without permission from anyone.

You do realize that ISIS is trained, equipped and funded by YOU? I didn't vote for any of the Republican and Democrat terrorists running ISIS, but you did.

Enjoy your beheading!

Chief Of The CIA’s ‘Bin-Laden’ Unit Tells The World That Al-Qaeda Never Existed

I didn't vote for any of the Republican and Democrat terrorists running ISIS, but you did.

"Not My Fault" Syndrome.

Don’t Blame Me.

For the Personality Disordered individual, often their own behavior seems justified in light of the strong emotional motivation they have. They may feel justified in hurting others because they themselves feel hurt, or they may feel justified in disregarding other’s feelings because their own feelings are not soothed. This often makes Personality Disordered individuals appear thoughtless, selfish, cruel and sadistic to others, however, they often feel misjudged by others who don’t validate the disordered thinking which arises from their intense feelings.

It was the USMC,and she said she flunked the physical because of her poor eyesight,and then the recruiter told her she could do more for the country by going to law school instead.

Unlike husband Bill who was actually drafted in 1969 but pulled some strings and dodged it. And he was elected President ... twice.

Ahhh,he did more than that. He had his political rabbi Senator William Fullbright pull strings to have the Governor of Arkansas CREATE a slot in the Ark NG for Bubba as a officer so he could avoid the draft while protecting his political future. When Bubba was called to go to basic and other training to justify his commission,he was traveling in the old USSR and visiting the North Korean embassy and staying at the homes of some of the founders of the CPUSSR.

Fullbright was one of the most powerful US Senators living and holding office at that time,and was Chairman of the Senate Armed Forces Committee. It is thought by many,me included,that he was the one leaking advance warning of military operations to the North Vietnamese so they could remove their troops and set up ambushes. He was also leaking US negotiating positions in advance to the NVN at the Paris meetings.

Bubba did all that and STILL wasn't prosecuted for refusing the call to fill a position created specifically for him,never mind traveling to the USSR and going to the NK embassy in Russia at a time when Americans were normally refused visas to visit the USSR. Which surprised no one given that he had the Governor of Arkansas and Senator Fullbright as rabbis.

So if Trump got a legitimate medical deferrment, his position is better than the other three.

He didn't. He didn't even bother to go to the induction center for a physical. He was given a pass based on a physical performed by his family doctor.

I am looking for factual confirmation that Trump “invented fallacious medical reports” about bone spurs and “dodged the draft multiple times.” If anyone knows where I can find this information, please be so kind and point it out to me.

Ever try looking with your eyes open?

There is no "official medical report issued by the induction center" because Trump was allowed to use the results of a physical given to him by the family doctor.

Trump himself has said during the campaign "I think I had something like bone spurs in my feet,or something,but I can't remember now."

For example, Gore played down his service in Nam

Say WHAT? He not only make claims about "going on patrol looking for the enemy",he even posted photos of him "on patrol" wearing brand new web gear and looking down the barrel of a M-16 as he adjusted the sling. This,at a time when the unit he served with were armed with M-14's.

He even told at least one war story about being involved in a firefight. He shut up immediately once it was revealed that his job was as the unit reporter and that he not only never left the firebase,but had TWO armed bodyguards following him around inside the firebase whose only duty was to protect the son of the Senator from Tn.

Trump was never charged with violating the Selective Service law.

Neither was Clinton,and he did far more than just avoid the draft.

As for Goober,he even admitted he "volunteered for the draft" (you could volunteer to take the place of someone being drafted and only serve 2 years on active duty instead of the normal 3 year enlistment)because his father was in a tough re-election campaign and having a son serving in VN as enlisted swine would help him. The skids were greased for Goober the whole way,right down to the unit he was to serve in and the job that was created for him.

Also,even though he was a Private E-2 or PFC at the time,he was married to Tipsy in DC while wearing the dress blues of a army Captain instead of the green enlisted uniform. He even had a honor guard of serving officers at the wedding. Any normal enlisted man that was caught wearing an officers uniform would have been court-martialed and gone to the army prison,but Goober had his wedding photos in the Washington Post with him wearing an officers uniform and not a word was said. I guess that was because there were no army officers living and working in DC,huh?

A North Korean state media website on Tuesday published an op-ed praising Donald Trump, who said two weeks ago he would be willing to speak directly to Pyongyang's young leader, Kim Jong Un.

Don't worry about it. That,like every other "political stand" made by Trump is no more than a suggestion of what he MIGHT do.

Say WHAT?

I say, I wonder why and how the sources in the following links got it all wrong when they said Gore played down his service in Vietnam during his bid for the White Hours:

1 - He appeared in uniform in his father's campaign commercials

2 - Gore played down his service in Vietnam during his bid for the White House

3 - Gore played down his service in Vietnam during his bid for the White House

4 - Gore … played down his own status as a veteran.

I am looking for factual confirmation that Trump “invented fallacious medical reports” about bone spurs and “dodged the draft multiple times.” If anyone knows where I can find this information, please be so kind and point it out to me.

Ever try looking with your eyes open?

There is no "official medical report issued by the induction center" because Trump was allowed to use the results of a physical given to him by the family doctor.

Trump himself has said during the campaign "I think I had something like bone spurs in my feet,or something,but I can't remember now."

So, I will now start looking with my eyes open as you suggest.

Okay … let me see.

I see … that you also have not supplied any factual confirmation that Trump “invented fallacious medical reports” about bone spurs and “dodged the draft multiple times” in your post.

I see … that I said nothing about any “official medical report being issued by the induction center” because he NEVER went to an induction center.

I see … that Trump did make that statement, but that is not factual information.

So, I will continue looking for information … but with my eyes open this time.

If you run across any factual information, Pete, will you please show it to me.

Oh, you say: “Trump was allowed to use the results of a physical given to him by the family doctor.”

Can you please provide a link to this factual information … or, is this just your opinion?

Alright, the author of the article charged that Trump “invented fallacious medical reports” and presented no validation to his allegation.

You jumped in with your statements and presented no validation to the author’s charge.

So, I am still looking … and my eyes are still open.

A North Korean state media website on Tuesday published an op-ed praising Donald Trump, who said two weeks ago he would be willing to speak directly to Pyongyang's young leader, Kim Jong Un.

Don't worry about it. That,like every other "political stand" made by Trump is no more than a suggestion of what he MIGHT do.

I assure you that I am not going to worry about it.

You may be right, and then you may be wrong.

We don't know ... do we?

So, we will have to wait and see what PRESIDENT TRUMP will or will not do.

Also,even though he was a Private E-2 or PFC at the time,he was married to Tipsy in DC while wearing the dress blues of a army Captain instead of the green enlisted uniform.

Also,even though he was a Private E-2 or PFC at the time,he was married to Tipsy in DC while wearing the dress blues of a army Captain instead of the green enlisted uniform.

I don’t know about army uniforms, so please help me understand. You said the “dress blues of a army Captain.” Did Captains have a special uniform of their own? I thought all company and field grade officers had the same uniforms.

Next, I don’t understand the following from the Army Times.

And between World Wars, the blue dress uniform re-emerged as optional wear, and remained so after introduction of the Green Class As as the primary service uniform.
http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/2015/10/01/rip-green- service-uniform-1954-2015/73142376/

Was this optional blue dress uniform referenced in the Army Times also optional for enlisted personnel as well as for officers?

I ask this because I wonder if the dress regulations were the same as the Air Force. Beginning in 1955 when I was a Staff Sergeant then Tech Sergeant, I never purchase nor wore uniforms from the Clothing Sales Store. I only purchased and wore the same uniform as officers from the Base Exchange. Including Allen Edmonds shoes and not those heinous “duck-foot-looking” shoes from the Clothing Sales Store. The only difference in my dress from the officers was the insignia and I could not wear the band around the lower part of the sleeve on the Class A Uniform.

Ever try looking with your eyes open?

I am still looking, Pete ... and I am keeping my eyes open.

The only official record I have found is this:

Both of those physical dates happened each time he was classified as 1-A and eligible for the draft. And both times he was eligible he was immediately physically “Dis/Q.”

Also, I think you were just stirring the pot when you did a little extemporizing to say the exams were conducted by his “family doctor.”

Records show “he reported for an armed forces physical examination” and was medically disqualified, according to the ledger from his local Selective Service System draft board in Jamaica, N.Y., now in the custody of the National Archives. You don’t “report” to a “family doctor" for an armed forces physical examination.

After thorough and complete research, my objective conclusion is that Trump took a deferment for school, which thousands, hundreds of thousands, did and there is no dishonor in doing that. Each time he was eligible for the draft, he was immediately medically disqualified by a doctor at an armed forces physical examination center.

Ergo, Donald Trump was NO draft dodger and to charge him as one is just a malicious attempt to damage his reputation during his campaign.

This report is approved for release by the Canary Clan.

1-Y — Registrant available for military service, but qualified only in case of war or national emergency. Usually given to registrants with medical conditions that were limiting but not disabling (examples: high blood pressure, mild muscular or skeletal injuries or disorders, skin disorders, severe allergies, etc.). It was created in 1962. It was discontinued in December 1971 and its members were reclassified as Class 4-F.

This explains why a 4-F followed the 1-Y.

The draft continued into 1973, but only 646 people were drafted in 1973.

Dan Quayle caught holy heck for serving in the National Guard. He was Poppy's veep selection.

Dumbya caught some flak, mostly from conservatives for his record in the Air NG and his missing meetings.

Trump catches a little bit of flak, but mostly gets a pass from the MSM. Many veterans can call him a draft dodger in spirit, but he knew how to play the system to his advantage even back then.

Say WHAT?

I say, I wonder why and how the sources in the following links got it all wrong when they said Gore played down his service in Vietnam during his bid for the White Hours:

That I can agree with.

The only GUESS I can even come up with is someone is prepping Goober to step in and replace Bubbette! as President. He has the "WH experience" even though Bubba never let him in except for photo ops,and a awful lot of Dims still admire him for his environmental brain farts even if he was and is a hypocrite about it,and many more still think he beat Boy Jorge and should have already been our president.

With voters so stupid they admire Goober and think he is brilliant,is there any reason to wonder why our nation is in freefall?

Sadly,I have to admit that even that retard would probably be wildly popular compared to either Trump or Bubbette! and would pretty much be guaranteed the job if he would run.

Providing of course the Clinton's don't have blackmail on him to get him sent to prison,or they don't have him whacked.

IMHO,Chelsea may be the only person on the planet Bubba Bill wouldn't have whacked if he thought they would get in the way of his return to the cash outlet that is the WH. Whacking Goober wouldn't even require any thought.

I see … that you also have not supplied any factual confirmation that Trump “invented fallacious medical reports” about bone spurs and “dodged the draft multiple times” in your post.

I'm not going to,either. I don't work for you,and since that shithead said it on live tv I can only assume you don't know about it because you don't WANT to know about it.

Go back to drinking his bathwater for all I care.

Don't worry about it. That,like every other "political stand" made by Trump is no more than a suggestion of what he MIGHT do.

I assure you that I am not going to worry about it.

You may be right, and then you may be wrong.

We don't know ... do we?

Do you prefer his bathwater warm or cold when you drink it?

I always figured that algore was stupid, but I never believed he was stupid enough to wear a uniform that was not optional for both officers and enlisted personnel at his wedding.

I don’t know about army uniforms, so please help me understand. You said the “dress blues of a army Captain.” Did Captains have a special uniform of their own? I thought all company and field grade officers had the same uniforms.

No,Captains don't have special uniforms,but the "mess dress blue uniforms" for officers is different than the "mess dress blue uniforms" for enlisted men.

This goes back to the FR days in the late 90's. Goober borrowed the uniform from a US Army Captain that was somehow connected to his father's Senate office in DC. Maybe Goober Sr was on the armed forces or some other committee,or maybe the officer was just assigned to the wedding to make sure things went smooth for the most powerful PFC in the army? Either way,Goober was wearing that uniform when he was married and I saw photos of him in it at the wedding. There was a lot of chatter about that among career soldiers right after it happened,mostly criticizing the senior Army officers brass that were there that didn't order him to take it off or have him arrested for wearing it.

BTW,I believe the Bus Drivers hat he is wearing that has the braid on it in that one photo is also a officer's bus drivers hat. May be wrong,though. I was only required to have one the first year I was in the army. After that I wore a beret for both work and dress uniforms.

Was this optional blue dress uniform referenced in the Army Times also optional for enlisted personnel as well as for officers?

Yes,but as I wrote above,the enlisted and the officer "mess dress blue uniforms" looked different. They were optional because technically nobody was required to have them because they weren't issue uniforms,and their purchase wasn't covered by the uniform allowance. Almost no NCO's owned them except maybe for E-9's working in or around the Pentagram. Same could be said about non-field grade officers. If you saw a Lt or Captain wearing dress blues,chances are he was a aide to some General or another,and chances are if he was a Lt or a Captain,the General officer paid for it out of his office expenses. Dress blues were expensive,and the typical soldier would never have cause to appear in one.

OOOPS! Officers assigned as military aides to embassies also had dress blues regardless of rank,and I do believe the army paid for their purchase because their assignment required them.

I ask this because I wonder if the dress regulations were the same as the Air Force.

No. All the AF dress uniforms were blue to start with. Dress Blues,also called "Mess Dress Blues" are like military tuxedos. I know I have seen a E-9 or two wearing the enlisted version,but can't for the life of me remember how they were different from the officers dress mess blues,but I know they were.

For one thing,I know for a fact the officers dress mess blues jacket looked (to me,anyhow)like a jacket you would see on a French waiter is some upscale restaurant. They even wore a cummerbund with it.

I am certain the USAF also has a "dress mess" uniform for both officers and enlisted swine,but I have no idea what it looks like or what color it is.

I'd be surprised if a Google search using the search terms "army dress mess blue uniforms" didn't bring up a bunch of photos.

Also, I think you were just stirring the pot when you did a little extemporizing to say the exams were conducted by his “family doctor.”

No,I am just repeating what I have heard at least two political commenters state on tv. IIRC,one even mentioned the doctor's name. There was never any question about Trump ever being drafted and having to show up. His father was worth at least 200 million in 1960's dollars,and knew every politician in the northeast.

I also heard Trump state himself "I think I had bone spurs in my feet,but don't really remember.",while standing behind a podium with tv cameras and microphones in sight. It may have been at a debate or it may have been at a campaign stop,but a reporter DID ask him about his 4F status,and he DID say the above.

Records show “he reported for an armed forces physical examination” and was medically disqualified, according to the ledger from his local Selective Service System draft board in Jamaica, N.Y., now in the custody of the National Archives. You don’t “report” to a “family doctor" for an armed forces physical examination.

When your daddy has 200 million bucks and access to powerful politicians including those who order Generals around,showing up at your draft physical with a note from your family doctor stating you have a pre-existing physical problem that will disqualify you from serving means something. And that is what was reported to have happened.

For all I know a recent physical from a civilian physician stating you were disqualified from serving and why you were disqualified from serving may have been legal and even common the whole time the draft existed. I had just never heard of it happening before.

Although Fat Teddy Kennedy did get drafted after being kicked out of Harvard after being caught cheating on tests. His daddy managed to arrange for him to be sent to a MP unit in Germany,though. Teddy got out of the army after two years as a PFC,E-3. IMHO,that should have been the highest station he ever acquired in life,and even that was giving him the benefit of doubt.

I SUSPECT that had to do with old man Joe insisting he serve after being drafted so as to not hurt the Kennedy Klan politically.

I'd be surprised if a Google search using the search terms "army dress mess blue uniforms" didn't bring up a bunch of photos.

It did, many ... but I did not find any categorized by year.

After researching, seeing the photos I attached and reading your comments ... I am surprised none of the big brass or anyone else did not raise Hell about the uniform.

I am still pondering how he could have been so stupid to do this ...

Thanks for the info.

It was discontinued in December 1971 and its members were reclassified as Class 4-F.

This explains why a 4-F followed the 1-Y.

That explains it for me, I could not understand a reason for it.

I immediately took notice that each time after he was classified as 1-A, within a short time thereafter he reported for a physical and was disqualified for service.

I guess the 1-Y came after "they" decided two physicals a couple years apart were enough and "they" felt no need to go through the procedure again ... thus the reclassification to 1-Y. After that point, that was when the 4-F puzzled me.

There is concern being expressed now that the "Trump University" law suit may pose a problem for him ... but the trial will not be until after the election.

Until I find out, I can only speculate that his span of control became to wide spread and that he did not know the inner workings of the TU. Of course that is no excuse if is determined that he did something wrong ... it is just my perception.

I am sure the media will tear into this ... full blast. And I think Trump will handle it ... he always has.

Trump catches a little bit of flak, but mostly gets a pass from the MSM

That's because Trump doesn't allow the weak pathetic sheep public to display over sensitivity and thin skin and apologize because of it. He's the first politician with a set of balls that's has the courage to tell this liberally weak pathetic populace to suck it the fuck up.

Just like some of the posters here... who vapor lock at the sight of a cuss word. I'm dusgusted by the weakness of my peers. 80% couldn't interview a child victim without crying... they'd spit and sputter when the perp swears at them.

Trump is a refreshing change. Maybe he'll toughen you liberals up.

After researching, seeing the photos I attached and reading your comments ... I am surprised none of the big brass or anyone else did not raise Hell about the uniform.

Not me. The idiot son of a powerful US Senator who they know is going to become a US Senator himself does what he wants when he wants to do it. And truth to tell,he is such a freaking idiot trying to explain to him what he did wrong would have been the equivalent of trying to teach calculus to a inbred dog.

Even if he had the IQ of the typical Kennedy,the same rules don't apply to US Senators son's that apply to thee and me.

I am still pondering how he could have been so stupid to do this ...

It's Goober. His family was probably happy he didn't set himself on fire,or show up at the wrong wedding and try to marry a woman they didn't buy for him.

There is concern being expressed now that the "Trump University" law suit may pose a problem for him ... but the trial will not be until after the election.

Not going to give him an instant of worry. The Trump Cult members are going to continue to believe every word he utters just like he is Jesus on the mount,and probably 75 percent of the voters from both branches of the ruling party never pay any attention to scandals surrounding "their" candidates and have probably never even heard of it and won't hear of it unless he makes an appearance on a reality show and brags about it. Not sure they would care even then unless they had personally lost thousands buying a bogus degree

Just look at all the crap Bathouse Barry and Bubbette! have gotten away with and continue to get away with for proof of this.

I forgot all about the new standard-issue army dress uniform being blue.

I'm dusgusted by the weakness of my peers. 80% couldn't interview a child victim without crying...

I have no doubt that is a sign of "manliness" in Fire Island and Trump World.

Most of us have higher standards.

Back in the 60's the Dress Mess uniforms for the US Army were blue...

For officers and enlisted?

Just look at all the crap Bathouse Barry and Bubbette! have gotten away with and continue to get away with for proof of this.

Dat be tru ...

You are immoral.

Thank you. That's a compliment coming from you.

Back in the 60's the Dress Mess uniforms for the US Army were blue...

For officers and enlisted?

Both.

I remember the officers dress blues had a lot of gold braid on the jacket and the traditional gold braid running up the trouser legs,and THINK the enlisted dress mess uniforms made them look less like doormen or Argentine/Opera Admirals.

I THINK there were slight differences in the way the jacket was cut,and MAYBE some difference in the cumberbund. Similar style,though.

Maybe Goober Sr was on the armed forces or some other committee,or maybe the officer was just assigned to the wedding to make sure things went smooth for the most powerful PFC in the army? Either way,Goober was wearing that uniform when he was married and I saw photos of him in it at the wedding.

I'm no expert, but the photos in reply #43 posted by Gatlin aka tater appear to be enlisted dress blues to me - worn by Goob at his wedding. The B&W photo is more difficult to discern because of the angle, but I'm sure it's the same outfit/uniform.

Dress blues and mess blues are different, as you know.

Edit: Dress blues blouse (that means jacket) extends below the waist. Mess blues jacket is waist high like a waist coat with cummerbund and was the most formal uniform, at least during my time.

True, not many PFCs wore them unless they were a senator's son at his own wedding. He's wearing the NDSM which is his only medal, so I don't see him breaking any rules.

I simply could not imagine Gore wearing the uniform of an officer at his wedding in D.C. ... or any other place for that matter.