While opposing US intervention in Syria – he once asked Bill O’Reilly “Do you want to own Syria?” – he now says he wants to create a “safe zone” in Syria so the refugees don’t have to come here. Call me crazy, but that looks like military intervention to me.

Do you and butt boy want to let Muslims into the country?

I want to kick the ones here out also.

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.

You want foreigners to take us over and change us.

Lets get real ugly with these wetbacks. Real ugly.

Why should we let terrorists recruit on the internet.

What is a "terrorist?" Someone or a group of citizens that is defined by a fascist government? You mean to say, a fascist government can define "terrorism" when, in fact, they operate outside the limits of the US Constitution?

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens

I want that too.

He advocates torture of alleged terrorists and says he would murder their families.

I am for what Trump said.

Trump said he would bring back waterboarding for the terrorists and it would be on firm legal grounding. “I’m in total support of waterboarding. It has to be within the law, but I have to expand the law,” Trump said. “I’ll work on it with the generals.”

What is a "terrorist?"

You ask some pretty inane questions ... are you really so stupid?

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens, an operation that – assuming it isn’t stopped by the courts – would be inevitably ugly and provoke massive resistance.

On what basis would the courts claim jurisdiction and stop the deportation required to be deported pursuant to federal law?

A deportation hearing is not a trial. It is a purely civil proceeding and the protections that apply to a criminal proceeding are not observed.

About all it takes is for the adherence to due process, dotting the i's and crossing the t's. There must still be a fair hearing. There is not much to be proven with an undocumented immigrant. As such immigrant did not pass through immigration authorities, he has no status whatever, akin to the post-war freedman (former slave). The undocumented immigrant can leave the country and return lawfully to obtain status. As with the freedmen, the undocumented immigrants could be made citizens by constitutional amendment. As with the freedmen, the undocumented immigrant is not eligible for naturalization because he is not an alien, lawfully present in the United States.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/468/1032/

INS v Lopez-Mendoza, 468 US 1032 (1984)

U.S. Supreme Court

INS v. Lopez-Mendoza, 468 U.S. 1032 (1984)

INS v. Lopez-Mendoza

No. 83-491

Argued April 18, 1984

Decided July 5, 1984

468 U.S. 1032

Syllabus

Respondent Mexican citizens were ordered deported by an Immigration Judge. Respondent Lopez-Mendoza unsuccessfully objected to being summoned to the deportation hearing following his allegedly unlawful arrest by an Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) agent, but he did not object to the receipt in evidence of his admission, after the arrest, of illegal entry into this country. Respondent Sandoval-Sanchez, who also admitted his illegal entry after being arrested by an INS agent, unsuccessfully objected to the evidence of his admission offered at the deportation proceeding, contending that it should have been suppressed as the fruit of an unlawful arrest. The Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) affirmed the deportation orders. The Court of Appeals reversed respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' deportation order, holding that his detention by INS agents violated the Fourth Amendment, that his admission of illegal entry was the product of this detention, and that the exclusionary rule barred its use in a deportation proceeding. The court vacated respondent Lopez-Mendoza's deportation order and remanded his case to the BIA to determine whether the Fourth Amendment had been violated in the course of his arrest.

Held:

1. A deportation proceeding is a purely civil action to determine a person's eligibility to remain in this country. The purpose of deportation is not to punish past transgressions, but rather to put an end to a continuing violation of the immigration laws. Consistent with the civil nature of a deportation proceeding, various protections that apply in the context of a criminal trial do not apply in a deportation hearing. Pp. 468 U. S. 1038-1039.

2. The "body" or identity of a defendant in a criminal or civil proceeding is never itself suppressible as the fruit of an unlawful arrest, even if it is conceded that an unlawful arrest, search, or interrogation occurred. On this basis alone, the Court of Appeals' decision as to respondent Lopez-Mendoza must be reversed, since he objected only to being summoned to his deportation hearing after an allegedly unlawful arrest, and did not object to the evidence offered against him. The mere fact of an illegal arrest has no bearing on a subsequent deportation hearing. Pp. 468 U. S. 1039-1040.

Page 468 U. S. 1033

3. The exclusionary rule does not apply in a deportation proceeding; hence, the rule does not apply so as to require that respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' admission of illegal entry after his allegedly unlawful arrest be excluded from evidence at his deportation hearing. Under the balancing test applied in United States v. Janis, 428 U. S. 433, whereby the likely social benefits of excluding unlawfully obtained evidence are weighed against the likely costs, the balance comes out against applying the exclusionary rule in civil deportation proceedings. Several factors significantly reduce the likely deterrent value of the rule in such proceedings. First, regardless of how the arrest of an illegal alien is effected, deportation will still be possible when evidence not derived directly from the arrest is sufficient to support deportation. Second, based on statistics indicating that over 97.7 percent of illegal aliens agree to voluntary deportation without a formal hearing, every INS agent knows that it is unlikely that any particular arrestee will end up challenging the lawfulness of his arrest in a formal deportation hearing. Third, the INS has its own comprehensive scheme for deterring Fourth Amendment violations by its agents. And finally, the deterrent value of the exclusionary rule in deportation proceedings is undermined by the availability of alternative remedies for INS practices that might violate Fourth Amendment rights. As to the social costs of applying the exclusionary rule in deportation proceedings, they would be high. In particular, the application of the rule in cases such as respondent Sandoval-Sanchez' would compel the courts to release from custody persons who would then immediately resume their commission of a crime through their continuing, unlawful presence in this country, and would unduly complicate the INS's deliberately simple deportation hearing system. Pp. 468 U. S. 1040-1050.

705 F.2d 1059, reversed.

You ask some pretty inane questions ...

Explain your position. Answer my questions.

Trump will FIX EVERYTHING for EVERYONE

Are you high? What illegal narcotics are you injecting, today?

I am definitely on a high.

I have been on a natural high ever since Donald announced that he is running for president. That was when my system began to continually release endorphins and those naturally occurring hormones make me feel so very happy.

It is the same feel-good factor I can get from chocolate when my serotonin chemicals are boosted as I look forward to a pleasurable experience.

A natural high is the way to go, Bucky. That shit you are dragging down into your lungs can play havoc on your health and may eventually kill you.

Explain your position. Answer my questions.

I will be more than happy to do that for you, Bucky boy. But I will only do so after I can get full confirmation that you have been in total withdrawal recovery treatment for at last three weeks. Then you should have the mental capacity to see the world as it is and not see the world as you are. When you can see real truth and not truth that you perceive, which is always subjective and always wrong, post your treatment results here on the forum.

Or are you just jerkin' off to trump's wife?

The use of inappropriate graphically explicit sexual expression is evoked by a small and predictable set of variables. Some perverts are positively reinforced by siblings or parents for its use. Which was the case for you?

You need drugs, right?

Nope, all I need is to show my wife true love and feel the deep respect she has for me.

Perhaps scripture can best explain this combination of love and respect to you.

Paul wrote in Ephesians 5:33 that a husband must love his wife and a wife must respect her husband. Both commands are unconditional.

I trust you can understand this and that it does not run afoul in conflict with your deism beliefs.

Paul wrote in Ephesians 5:33 that a husband must love his wife and a wife must respect her husband. Both commands are unconditional.

So, now, you are introducing religious favours about your wife into the discussion. Can you saye: distraction?

You are straining your pseudo-intellectual bullshit posts.

I am so sorry.

I regret that I failed to notice I was exceeding your ability to retain and apply new knowledge.

I forgot that your information intake is limited and takes a very long time.

I will try to “dumb down” my posts so that you can begin to understand them, or at least parts of them.

Let’s test your comprehension with this: Mary had a little lamb, its fleece was white as snow. And everywhere that Mary went, the lamb was sure to go.

On a scale of one to ten, with one being the least difficult to understand and ten being the most difficult to understand, how do you rate your comprehension in the test?

He wants to deport 11 million illegal aliens

I want that too.

I don't have a problem with that either.

The problem is that Trump can say he's going to do it but he has not elaborated on how he's going to do it.

he has not elaborated on how he's going to do it.

He'll make Mexico pay for it.

Is that the same Justin Raimondo who wrote this?

Quoting stupid faggots now.

Read much?

Raimondo somewhat begrudgingly shows admiration for some of Trump's policies.

Check The link that Operation 40 posted.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/03/11/donald-trump-good-bad-ugly/

Trump : “We have 28,000 soldiers on the line, on the border between North and South Korea. We have so many places. Saudi Arabia was making a billion dollars a day, and we were getting virtually nothing to protect them. We are going to be in a different world. We’re going to negotiate real deals now, and we’re going to bring the wealth back to our country. We owe $19 trillion. We’re going to bring wealth back to our country.”

This is really quite remarkable. What Trump is saying is something Ron Paul used to say: that we could avoid national bankruptcy if only we would ditch the Empire. Unlike Paul, Trump – who is no libertarian – doesn’t oppose Social Security in principle: far from it, he pledges to leave it untouched. The point, however, is that he is focused on the crisis in this country, and sees our overseas entanglements as an albatross hung around our necks.

He topped this with an attack on the military contractors:

“They have a fantastic lobby. They take care of all of the senators, the Congressmen. They have great power and they don’t bid out. The military is never properly bid. When we go out to military bids, it’s not properly bid. And the people that really sell us the product are oftentimes the product we don’t want, only because that particular company has political juice, OK?”

This really underscores the corruption at the heart of the system. Recalling Eisenhower’s warning about the power of the military-industrial-congressional complex (that was the original formulation, which Eisenhower edited out of his speech), Trump exposed the real situation in this country: a government of completely bought-off politicians.

I guess you'd like it better if Trump got no support from "queers".

He'll make Mexico pay for it.

So he says.

The problem is that Trump can say he's going to do it but he has not elaborated on how he's going to do it.

Bullshit!

You obviously have not been paying attention and you are not learning, because you don't want to learn. All you want to do is condemn and find fault.

Trump will make “American Great Again” by returning the American people the safety of their laws.

He will begin by tripling the number of ICE officers. There are only about 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission. Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers and their area of coverage while 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam. The task of attempting to immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States is a tough job and adding 10,000 more ICE officers is a beginning.

There are more steps, but I will not take the time to “spoon feed” you here. You do know how to do research … don’t you?

He will begin by tripling the number of ICE officers

So he says.

See - the issue here is trust.

I don't trust him. He's creepy and kind of a psycho.

Your judgement is altered what with the raging hormones and endorphin-fueled high you get from your man-crush on St. Donald.

Seriously -could you possibly be any more gay?

Since the voters don't give a damn, nothing new is going to happen.

SuperTrump will fly in to save the day.

SuperTrump will fly in to save the day.

He will spout all kinds of "hot-aire" to give the voters some appeasement. But actions? The nation sinks into the worst possible nation on the planet.

See - the issue here is trust.

I don't trust him.

You trust NO one.

Since the voters don't give a damn ...

Speaking of not giving a damn, are you still voting for your dog?

voting for your dog

Let's get this straight, pal ... my dead dawg Scruffy rests six feet below the lay of the land.

Let's get this straight, pal ... my dead dawg Scruffy rests six feet below the lay of the land.

Oh, you poor baby ... I can begin to understand why your recovery has been so difficult for you and your inability to face daily challenging aspects.

What recovery?

From the tragic loss of your dog, Scruffy.

Let's get this straight, pal ... my dead dawg Scruffy rests six feet below the lay of the land.

A great place to visit when you wanna drink a six pack with your pooch to old memories. You suck down the beers and then pass it through your kidneys over his grave... and let the mutt have some too.

Why are you bitching? You've stated more than once that we are doomed.

Both he and his pothead idiot pal, Deckard, have maintained the view that we are powerless to do anything but accept the inevitable and that Trump will have no power to influence the future or determine a new corse of action.

Both he and his pothead idiot pal, Deckard, have maintained the view that we are powerless to do anything but accept the inevitable and that Trump will have no power to influence the future or determine a new corse of action.

There is no truth in that statement, at all.

Please feel free to vote; and vote the man of your dreams. Cast that vote the way you feel. All I am saying is: The nation is going to get worse and worse. Your vote will not remedy anything.

There has been no recovery ever.

Oh, that is so sad ... it almost brings me to tears.

In that case, I sincerely hope that my insights will stimulate new and properly channeled thought which will give faint hope you will recover ... someday.

Oh, that is so sad ... it almost brings me to tears.

Poor wittle tater ... tyme will heal.

... tyme will heal.

Time does not heal everything.

A more apt saying is “IT’S WHAT YOU DO WITH THE TIME THAT HEALS.”

You need to understand that mourning is an active, working process ... not a passive one.

mourning is an active, working process

You were doing so well in post #146. Feel free to carry on.

Why did Trump mortgage FAIL?

He just keep on moving forward to the next challenge con.

There. Fixed it for ya.