You can’t live on $7.25-an-hour.

You absolutely can live on $7.25 per hour.

IF you are a high school student living with Mom & Dad who pay for most of your meals. Those type people are the ones who would be happy at 7.25 per hour and who won't have any job at $11 or $14 per hour.

Ditto for anyone who is living with a spouse or relative and doesn't have to pay rent or mortgage.

"You can’t live on $7.25-an-hour."

If that hourly wage really concerned the government, they wouldn't deduct FICA taxes. Or they would issue "Sales Tax Exempt" cards.

But they're not going to do without. They'd rather put the burden on private businesses.

The job should pay what the job is worth. If the government wants you to make more, let them issue you a check.

The job should pay what the job is worth

Who determines that? If the employer can't get enough help at $7.25 per hour then he needs to pay more to get good help. Simple

If that hourly wage really concerned the government, they wouldn't deduct FICA taxes. Or they would issue "Sales Tax Exempt" cards.

Or give businesses a 100% tax credit on the increased wages paid. And a pro rata labor burden credit.

You obviously have globalist and conservative confused. You're not conservative you're a liberal like Bill piece of shit Kristol.

I don't care if they raise the minimum wage. It is not right to offer slave like wages.

Raising the minimum wage is a liberal unionist position ;not a conservative one . The only reason liberals and unions support it is because the new minimum wage becomes the base line for new negotiations.

They don't care about the poor and how that impacts their job prospects. They offer the poor government handouts as an alternative ,creating a permanent class dependent on the government . There is where you find slavery ,not in people getting less money for starter jobs that are not intended to be permanent careers .

Raising the minimum wage is a liberal unionist position ;not a conservative one

So you would be ok if someone was paying 3 dollars an hour.

It is an American position.

You have globalist confused with conservative. You're a globalist not a conservative. Except on social issues. I'll give you that.

There needs to be a minimum wage in todays world because if not greedy bastard corporations will make slaves of us all if they can.

Greed is not a conservative value it is a globalist value.

They don't care about the poor and how that impacts their job prospects. They offer the poor government handouts as an alternative ,creating a permanent class dependent on the government . There is where you find slavery ,not in people getting less money for starter jobs that are not intended to be permanent careers .

I understand the theories on the minimum wage being raised. I used to buy into them. But in the real world people are taking jobs at the minimum wage and greedy people know because the economy is bad they can keep them there and make large profits for themselves and basically enslave people without as many skills.

Maybe if you guys didn't support letting slave labor goods come into the country you would have a point. But as it is now you are wrong im in view.

"The job should pay what the job is worth"
"Who determines that?"

The market determines the price of the final product. That price includes the cost of the materials, overheard, profit, and labor. Once the first three are determined, labor costs are set.

"If the employer can't get enough help at $7.25 per hour then he needs to pay more to get good help. Simple"

Or he moves his manufacturing to Mexico. Even simpler.

"Or give businesses a 100% tax credit on the increased wages paid. And a pro rata labor burden credit."

Yeah, but unfunded mandates are much more fun. You get to play Santa Clause while others pay for the presents.

"So you would be ok if someone was paying 3 dollars an hour."

Sure.

Some states require food stamp recipients to work. Your $3 an hour is $24 per day, $480 per month. Food stamps average $250 per month.

They're better off taking your job.

You absolutely can live on $7.25 per hour.

If you're homeless & camping out under a highway overpass...

greedy bastard corporations will make slaves of us all if they can.

That's what Karl Marx and 0bama said; they're wrong as are you. In no market do buyers unilaterally set the price.

So where would you put the burden of taxes? On wealth or imports?

Why not both?

"So where would you put the burden of taxes? On wealth or imports?"

Well, for 100 years we funded the federal government on tariffs alone. That would have the added benefit of encouraging local manufacturing. So I'd go with that.

BUT, before doing that, I'd slash the federal government to the bone. Privatize social security and Medicare, turn Medicaid, welfare, and food stamps over to the states, and get rid of 90% of federal agencies.

"greedy bastard corporations will make slaves of us all if they can."

That's what Karl Marx and 0bama said; they're wrong as are you.

Karl Marx was right about that. When Obama have said that?

In no market do buyers unilaterally set the price.

Are you out of your mind? If course in certain conditions buyers do set the price.

Privatize social security and Medicare

You mean to give Social Security into hands of Wall Street crooks and speculators?

You mean to give Social Security into hands of Wall Street crooks and speculators?

"Social Security yields roughly 3% real returns compared to the average 6.38% real returns S&P 500 investments have yielded between 1984 and 2014."

Who's the worse crook?

"You mean to give Social Security into hands of Wall Street crooks and speculators?"

The current system -- need I remind you -- is going broke. Is that better?

That's what Karl Marx and 0bama said; they're wrong as are you. In no market do buyers unilaterally set the price.

So in your view there is no greed in the world. No greed in corporations.

You are supposed to treat people right. There is nothing wrong with a minimum standard for wages. I don't think it should be 15 bucks an hour. But it should be higher then it is by at least a buck or two. Taxes should also be cut on the lowest wages or tax free.

Taxes should be collected through tariffs also. That way we don't have to compete with slave labor.

You just don't care about your fellow countrymen it seems.

"That's what Karl Marx and 0bama said; they're wrong as are you. In no market do buyers unilaterally set the price."

So in your view there is no greed in the world. No greed in corporations.

No, buyer and seller each seek the best deal for themselves and arrive at a market price.

You are supposed to treat people right. There is nothing wrong with a minimum standard for wages.

What's wrong with it is that it leads to job loss, just as mandating a higher-than-market minimum price for, say, eggs would result in fewer eggs being bought. The term "minimum wage" is actually a lie because the true minimum wage is the $0 one gets from an employer when not employed.

Taxes should also be cut on the lowest wages or tax free.

Taxes should be collected through tariffs also. That way we don't have to compete with slave labor.

All much better ideas than the job-destroying lie of a "minimum wage."

You just don't care about your fellow countrymen it seems.

That's libtard talk: that the only way to care about your fellow countrymen is through government coerciion.

Karl Marx was right about that.

Nuff said.

"There is nothing wrong with a minimum standard for wages."

If the government can tell you what to pay your employees, can they also tell you what price to charge for your product? In either case it's socialism. Even you agree with that ... if the minimum wage is $15.

The second thing that's wrong with it is that it destroys entry-level jobs.

The third thing that's wrong with it is that it forces higher wages to be paid to others. If I worked for a company for three years and am now making $15 an hour, I want a raise if that's being paid to new hires.

The fourth thing wrong with that is that the employer may decide to either go out of business ot move his operation to Mexico.

Other than that, there's nothing wrong with it.

"There is nothing wrong with a minimum standard for wages."

How about a minimum standard for employees?

-- High school diploma
-- Can read and write and speak and understand English
-- Can do basic math
-- Shows up for work on time and leaves on time.
-- Will put in an honest day's work for a honest day's pay
-- Works well with others

Don't you agree that should be the minimum? That it goes without saying?

I don't care if they raise the minimum wage a little bit. It will not hurt anyone and will only help some people.

I understand your reasoning. It is ok if you have a different view. Your view is thought out and your view. I just don't really care if they raise it a bit.

It is not my biggest issue. I just know young people who are struggling to live on that wage. Hard workers. Real hard workers. Making others rich. then they barely scrape by. So in the real world and not the theoretical one I have no problem with it being raised.

I'm not going to despise someone with your view. I save that for other issues.

How about a minimum standard for employees?

-- High school diploma -- Can read and write and speak and understand English -- Can do basic math -- Shows up for work on time and leaves on time. -- Will put in an honest day's work for a honest day's pay -- Works well with others

Don't you agree that should be the minimum? That it goes without saying?

Yes except maybe for the high school diploma. Reality is not everyone graduates. That doesn't make them stupid. If someone wants to fire someone they should be to do that for any reason. Any reason. And there should be no recourse for firing someone just because you want to fire them. Maybe you don't like them.

Also on basic math. It isn't required for all jobs. But yes you should be able to do basic math.

"I just know young people who are struggling to live on that wage."

My first real job was as a busboy in a restaurant after school. Hard work. You never sit down. Always on the run. I made $1 an hour. No tips. The only benefit they provided was continued employment if I did my job.

That job went on my resume.

I then got a job stocking shelves in a supermarket. At night. During the day, I worked in a steel mill as a grinder.

That went on my resume.

I went to college on a work-study program, paying my way by alternating semesters working a job and going to school.

That went on my resume.

Graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree and was hired for $10,500 per year.

And now some high school dropout with no work ethic speaking Ebonics and can't add 2 plus 2 expects to make $30,000 a year because otherwise he'd be struggling?

Two words: F**k that.

"Reality is not everyone graduates."

Then they'd have to have a damn good reason why they didn't finish their taxpayer-funded free education. And what they're currently doing to get their GED.

The kind of person who simply drops out is the kind of employee who will file harassment or discrimination lawsuits or "hurt their back" on the job and suck up disability and unemployment benefits.

If you're homeless & camping out under a highway overpass...

True, someone homeless and living under a highway overpass would likely save a lot of money working at $7.25/hour. At least as long as they didn't have to eat out every day. The same is true for a high school student living with Mom and Dad which are the people any minimum wage should have in mind.

"Social Security yields roughly 3% real returns compared to the average 6.38% real returns S&P 500 investments have yielded between 1984 and 2014."Who's the worse crook?

Guys like you.

Stock exchange is higher risk.

How about a minimum standard for employees?

What about higher standards for the employers? Are they special?

Stock exchange is higher risk.

Your faith in Obama is touching.

Stock exchange is higher risk.

Your faith in Obama is touching.

Obama again? Do you have fixation with Obama?

Whatever floats your boat.

"What about higher standards for the employers? Are they special?"

Well, they have the jobs and they have the money. You don't have to work there.

I'm saying that if the employees want more money, perhaps they can offer more.

Well, they have the jobs and they have the money.

They "have the jobs"? Why do they give them away?

I say regulate them. Or let them move to some Third World hellhole, where they will have a partnership with a government.

Hyman Roth: What I am saying is, we have now what we have always needed, real partnership with the government.

The current system -- need I remind you -- is going broke.

You must mean wall street is going broke. The reason Social Security is going broke, as you call it, is because the crooks in DC are using Social Security funds for other purposes. If I recall correctly, Bill Clinton placed the Social Security funds in general revenue to make the budget look better. All of government is nothing more than a scam.

Donald Trump has decided that although he thinks employees should probably make more money, he will leave that one up to individual states. That does mark a reversal on past statements where he said wages were too high and he wouldn’t support a minimum wage increase.

According to the Guardian, self-proclaimed multi-billionaire Donald “I’ll just say whatever and hope no one notices” Trump discussed the issue on NBC’s Meet the Press.

“I like the idea of ‘let the states decide’. But I think people should get more. I think they’re out there. They’re working. It is a very low number…No, I’d rather have the states go out and do what they have to do….And the states compete with each other, not only other countries, but they compete with each other.”

During a debate back in November, when asked about increasing the federal minimum wage to $15, Trump took a considerably harsher tone according to Talking Points Memo.

“Taxes too high, wages too high…We’re not going to be able to compete against the world. I hate to say it, but we have to leave it the way it is. People have to go out, they have to work really hard and they have to get into that upper stratum. But we cannot do this if we are going to compete with the rest of the world. We just can’t do it.”

His position that minimum wage earners should make more, but it won’t be up to him as President to decide, is a bit of an improvement over past statements, but definitely does mark yet another flip-flop.

My first real job was as a busboy in a restaurant after school. Hard work. You never sit down. Always on the run. I made $1 an hour. No tips. The only benefit they provided was continued employment if I did my job.

That job went on my resume.

I then got a job stocking shelves in a supermarket. At night. During the day, I worked in a steel mill as a grinder.

That went on my resume.

I went to college on a work-study program, paying my way by alternating semesters working a job and going to school.

That went on my resume.

Graduated with an Electrical Engineering degree and was hired for $10,500 per year.

And now some high school dropout with no work ethic speaking Ebonics and can't add 2 plus 2 expects to make $30,000 a year because otherwise he'd be struggling?

Two words: F**k that.

Good post.

I don't care if they raise the minimum wage a little bit. It will not hurt anyone

Except the people whose jobs disappear because having them get done is not worth the minimum wage to the employer. Basic supply and demand says, and economic research confirms, that if you raise the price you lower the demand.

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Donald Trump has decided that although he thinks employees should probably make more money, he will leave that one up to individual states. That does mark a reversal on past statements where he said wages were too high and he wouldn’t support a minimum wage increase.

Unfortunately Trump got more GOP votes than the others by saying whatever he thought would go over well at the moment.

If it backfired then he would just say the opposite of what he said minutes, hours or days later.

On CSPAN today a Trump caller said that Trump is popular because he is honest. (or sounds honest)

Expect him to continue this.

Raising the minimum wage is a liberal unionist position ;not a conservative one . The only reason liberals and unions support it is because the new minimum wage becomes the base line for new negotiations.

And most Union employees haven't gotten a raise since Obozo took office, but then again that was to be expected.

Now that the "presumptive nominee" has been determined the slide to the left accelerates. Will Trump end up to left of Bernie?

He's Mitt, without the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

How many flips will Trump have to flop before his supporters admit to themselves that they were duped?

"True believers" are as delusional as Trump. There are still people claiming Boy Jorge was a conservative.

IMO,anyone that delusional shouldn't be allowed to vote or run for office.