A group of 51 middle schoolers from North Carolina traveled all the way to the 9/11 memorial and decided to sing the national anthem.

They were stopped — from singing the national anthem at the 9/11 memorial — halfway through by 9/11 memorial security because, well, it seems they didn’t have the proper permit.

Well, the "law is the law", right guys?

" A group of 51 middle schoolers from North Carolina traveled all the way to the 9/11 memorial and decided to sing the national anthem.

They were stopped — from singing the national anthem at the 9/11 memorial — halfway through by 9/11 memorial security because, well, it seems they didn’t have the proper permit. "

Whew, damn that was close. Thank God security was there to stop them.

Just imagine the chaos, mayhem, anarchy, and utter lawlessness that would have been unleashed if those little brats had not been stopped. Who knows, it might have resulted in the destruction of all life on the planet if the hero's had not been there to stop all of that felonious, dangerous law breaking!

Can you believe it, NO PERMIT ! Who ever the teacher in charge was, should have their ass kicked real good.

Considering the seriousness of the offense, the hero's should have just performed summary execution on the spot. After all, they would have been justified. /sarc

Give those hero's a hefty pay raise, some medals, a few boxes of "student killer bullets" and a few extra boxes of donuts.

Well, the "law is the law"

Quote it.

Well, the "law is the law"

Quote it.

Hey - you clowns are the ones spouting "the law is the law" nonsense.

I'm sure you would agree that security acted appropriately in this case.

I'm betting you would have cheered if a thugscrum of cops had been released on these lawbreakers.

Can you believe it, NO PERMIT ! Who ever the teacher in charge was, should have their ass kicked real good.

Sure is great living in a "free country".

The kids learned a valuable lesson about tyranny.

spouting "the law is the law"

It helps to know what you're talking about.

Quote it.

"The management at the National September 11 Memorial & Museum in New York City has now indicated that a pair of security guards acted improperly last week when they ordered a group of North Carolina middle school students to stop their choral rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner.”

How does Deckhard manage to bat .000?

You would think that he would have get something right eventually, if by accident if nothing else.

Well, the "law is the law", right guys?

Well, since you asked so nicely … let me take a moment and see what the Bible says about obeying the law.

[ ... Tick, Tick, Tick -- Moment Passed ... ]

Okay, here it is. I find that Romans 13:1-7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government. This means that as a Christian, Deckard, you should you not promote disobeying the law or willfully breaking the laws of the country and you should take exception with anyone who does.

So, Deckard, as you continue on your journey down Hell’s path, I implore your to remember that it is not biblical to violate a law to achieve something you feel is “good” and it is reprehensible to subtlety or directly encourage anyone to choose the laws they would obey.

[ … Can I get an AMEN? … ]

Well, the “Bible is the Bible,” right guys?

By the way, Deckard, reading further on what Paul wrote … I find that Romans 13:1-7 also gives the government the authority to punish lawbreakers. Whether the punishment is, it is within the rights of the government to determine.

Hey - you clowns are the ones spouting "the law is the law" nonsense.

Do you consider quoting the Bible to be nonsense?

Do you consider quoting the Bible to be nonsense?

I would, if it's done to justify obeying laws that are immoral.

Sure is great living in a "free country".

We live in a country where the Rule of Law is the legal principle that law should govern, as opposed to being governed by arbitrary decisions from individuals to do what they choose we can do, or not do. This stands in contrast to autocracy, dictatorship, or oligarchy and your anarchy.

But. of course, you will not understand this ...

Do you consider quoting the Bible to be nonsense?

I would, if it's done to justify obeying laws that are immoral.

For example?

For example?

I won't waste time giving examples of immoral laws. If you believe all laws are moral, that there has never in the history of civilization been an immoral law, then fine.

Do you consider quoting the Bible to be nonsense?

Misquoting the bible is worse than mere nonsense. Romans 13 refers to "legitimate" government and "law(s)" only. Since you don't understand the difference between good and evil government, you'll never "get it".

Get a Grip!
Romans 13:1-7

Powers Not Ordained By God

Romans 13 is probably the most devastating thing to a Christian in the hands of the ungodly. It sounds so convincing to obey those who appear to be in power. For too long, secular governments have used Romans 13 as a club to beat Christians into obedience to them. Just because a group maintains power through their guns and jails, does not mean God put them there.

God said there are powers not ordained by Him at Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

God didn't put them in power over the righteous. That's Satan's idea. The righteous don't need worldly, filthy authorities, which are no authorities at all. Do you think that they can instruct the righteous? They themselves steal. They themselves are perverts. And they presume to instruct the righteous? I don't think so.

Romans 13 refers to "legitimate" government and "law(s)" only.

Does Romans 13 say that YOU can decide which government and what laws are legitimate?

Why are you truth challenged?

Okay, here it is. I find that Romans 13:1-7 makes it abundantly clear that God expects us to obey the laws of the government.

Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

The passage you cited has been abused by those in power for centuries, including the Nazi government.

Should We Obey Authority … No Matter What?

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is coordinating with Christian ministers nationwide so that –if the government imposes MARTIAL LAW – the ministers will urge their flocks to OBEY the government.

A number of Christian leaders say that Christians must obey the government … no matter what. 

  For example, Robert Deffinbaugh – pastor at Community Bible Chapel in Richardson, Texas – says:

Whether the government be totalitarian or democratic, the Christian’s obligation to submit to it is the same.

This is not an unrealistic or abstract concept. After all, most churches in Nazi-era Germany supported the Nazis.    The German clergy used the same rationale to support Hitler that many American churches are using today to demand obedience to authority … Romans 13:

The German Christians were strongly nationalistic, and adopted … respect for state authority. This passage in Romans 13 was often cited as proof of a correlation between the Church and State:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists the what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

German church leaders even criticized Christians for disobeying their “governing authorities” … by protecting Jewish refugees by hiding them in their homes.

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Of course, spineless "Christians" like you will obediently turn over your firearms the day they become illegal to own, and I dare say you will turn in your neighbors who own guns because...you know - "The Law".

Those who fought for the independence from the British - they disobeyed "the law".

So did those who helped slaves escape and those who refused to move to the back of the bus.

Oh - just one more thing :

Romans 13 – Must Christians Submit to Government?

The Bible is filled with godly individuals who defied authority when they were commanded to do acts of evil. Daniel disobeyed Darius and went to the lions den. Moses’ parents hid him from Pharaoh as a baby. Rahab lied to protect the Hebrew spies.

Paul was constantly being jailed, beaten, and scourged because he would not stop preaching the Good News. Jesus himself also repeatedly defied the powerful political and religious leaders of his day. So much so, that Jesus finally got nailed to a Roman cross for it!

Sorry I could not get back to you sooner, I was listening to Trump's speech.

Do you hear it ... he was great, so presidential.

I felt like standing up and singing "God Bless America" when he finished.

I have to go now.

I recorded the speech ... I must listen to it again.

Later ...

I felt like standing up and singing "God Bless America" when he finished.

You can't sing.

Your denial is far worse that your ignorance.

Your urging Christians to lay down like sheep and obey government "no matter what" is blasphemous.

The Bible Urges Us to CHALLENGE – Not Obey – Bad Government

In reality, Christian (and Jewish) leaders throughout history have explained that we must disobey tyrannical governments.

The Book of Maccabees – an ancient Jewish book purporting to document the events which Chanukah celebrates – apparently says:

Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

(Thomas Jefferson agreed.)

Gordan Runyan – pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church – points out numerous instances in the Bible of men and women who disobeyed their government rulers, and were rewarded by God and praised as holy.

Indeed, the Bible mentions “justice” more than almost any other topic. The Bible demands that we do justice and to stand up to ANYONE — including the rich or powerful — who do injustice or oppress the people.

Baptist minister Chuck Baldwin writes:

Did John the Baptist violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity? Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God’s principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem?

Did Paul violate God’s principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities who demanded that he abandon his missionary work? In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail.

Remember that every apostle of Christ (except John) was killed by hostile civil authorities opposed to their endeavors. Christians throughout church history were imprisoned, tortured, or killed by civil authorities of all stripes for refusing to submit to their various laws and prohibitions. Did all of these Christian martyrs violate God’s principle of submission to authority?

So, even the great prophets, apostles, and writers of the Bible (including the writer of Romans Chapter 13) understood that human authority – even civil authority – is limited.

Any government that is a “terror to good works” is acting beyond its authority and must be resisted.

I felt like standing up and singing "God Bless America" when he finished.

You can't sing.

Apparently he can't read or comprehend facts either.

I don't know who said that first, but he ought to be shot.

"Politics makes strange bedfellows."

I don't know who said that first, but he ought to be shot.

Some say that any fellow who has another fellow in bed with him should be shot.

Some say that ...

What say you?

I felt like standing up and singing "God Bless America" when he finished.

You can't sing.

You FINALLY got something RIGHT, Fred.

I can't sing ... that is why I said I "felt" like it, but did not.

I am so proud of you ... I now have hope in the future for you.

You have a huge PERCEPTION problem.

Gotta go now ... I must listen to Trump's speech again.

If you believe all laws are moral, that there has never in the history of civilization been an immoral law, then fine.

Oh, I would not say there has never been an immoral law … for I have seen that done.

I only asked you to cite an example where quoting the Bible justifies obeying a law that is immoral … since I have never heard anyone do that.

And I would like to learn of an actual incident because I don’t entertain hypotheticals … reality in this world as it is, is vexing enough.

Reality in this world is vexing, right?

I only asked you to cite an example where quoting the Bible justifies obeying a law that is immoral … since I have never heard anyone do that.

Then apparently we agree that immoral laws should not be obeyed. In which case, the bible ref is of no relevance.

Gatlin (#19) --- I felt like standing up and singing "God Bless America" when he finished.

"Politics makes strange bedfellows."

I don't know who said that first, but he ought to be shot.

Some say that any fellow who has another fellow in bed with him should be shot. ---- Some say that ... What say you?

I'd say it's fine with me, -- but I doubt you'd say the same.

We live in a country where the Rule of Law is the legal principle that law should govern, as opposed to being governed by arbitrary decisions from individuals to do what they choose we can do, or not do.

Very odd and confused comment: ---

--- "We live in a country ---- opposed to being governed by arbitrary decisions from individuals to do what they choose we can do, or not do." ---

We live in a country where, --- arbitrary decisions from individuals choose - what -- we can do, or not do?

Are you 'all there'? -- As in cogent?

I'd say you're crazy as a loon.

We live in a country where, --- arbitrary decisions from individuals choose - what -- we can do, or not do?

True ... and this needs to change.

I'd say you're crazy as a loon.

I'd say that you don't know what you are talking about ... as usual.

It is no insult to be called crazy as a loon. If loons could hire a lawyer, they could sue for defamation of character anyone who uses the phrase “crazy as a loon. They are, in fact, very smart birds and have done very well in the never- ending struggle for existence with nature and man.

I only asked you to cite an example where quoting the Bible justifies obeying a law that is immoral … since I have never heard anyone do that.

Then apparently we agree that immoral laws should not be obeyed. In which case, the bible ref is of no relevance.

Of course, as a US Air Force officer, I was permitted under Section 16c(1)(c) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice to refuse to follow a general order or regulation that was contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it.

I could say that there is no "significant" bearing upon the point at hand. But, I could not rule out it being germane so as to imply "a fitness" for or appropriateness to the point.

Gatlin (#13) --- We live in a country where the Rule of Law is the legal principle that law should govern, as opposed to being governed by arbitrary decisions from individuals to do what they choose we can do, or not do.

Very odd and confused comment: ---

We live in a country where, --- arbitrary decisions from individuals choose - what -- we can do, or not do?

Are you 'all there'? -- As in cogent?

I'd say you're crazy as a loon.

True ... and this needs to change.

Even our Presidents, as individuals, cannot make such arbitrary decisions.

But perhaps you could cite an example, proving you're not Looney.

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Pinguinite (#28) (Edited) -- I only asked you to cite an example where quoting the Bible justifies obeying a law that is immoral … since I have never heard anyone do that.

Of course, as a US Air Force officer, I was permitted under Section 16c(1)(c) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice to refuse to follow a general order or regulation that was contrary to the Constitution, the laws of the United States, or lawful superior orders or for some other reason is beyond the authority of the official issuing it. ---- I could say that there is no "significant" bearing upon the point at hand. ----- But, I could not rule out it being germane so as to imply "a fitness" for or appropriateness to the point. ----- Gatlin

Here again we see your 'Looney' reasoning, unbecoming to an officer in the US Air Force.

IF (big if) you indeed were ever an officer, or even in the air force.

IF (big if) you indeed were ever an officer, or even in the air force.

Man, that's a low blow.

I'm sure tater will show us his DD214.

Man, that's a low blow.

I have no problem believing that you and tpaine know how to blow low ...

IF (big if) you indeed were ever an officer, or even in the air force.

Man, that's a low blow. --- I'm sure tater will show us his DD214.

Gatty and I did this once before at LP, and he didn't show shit.

I hear he has a good falsetto when he sings for Trump tho..

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I pulled out my DD214 about six years ago when I applied for a cemetery reservation.

Other than that, it stays in my black box.

Gatty and I did this once before at LP, and he didn't show shit.

Ahem ...

#70. To: tpaine, Goldi-Lox (#68)
So? When will you meet the terms of the challenge? I'm still waiting.
You are not waiting on me, the terms have long since been complied with to Goldi.
Gatlin posted on 2014-05-15

#91. To: tpaine (#80)
I have all of Gatlin's personal info.
But no one else can have access to it.
So, what's your point?
To make us jump thru your hoops?
Just a pain in the ass.
Yes.
That'd be you.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2014-05-18

#93. To: Goldi-Lox (#91)
I [Goldi] have all of Gatlin's personal info.
Wonderful. Glad to hear he's an honest man who is who he says he is …
[Boldness Added]
tpaine posted on 2014-05-18

I was listening to Trump's speech.

Have a link?

Man, that's a low blow. --- I'm sure tater will show us his DD214.

Gatty and I did this once before at LP, and he didn't show shit.

Well, I don't blame him. ---- I pulled out my DD214 about six years ago when I applied for a cemetery reservation. --- Other than that, it stays in my black box.

All I had when I signed up with VA heath care was my little pocket DD214. --- Surprisingly they pulled up a full sized copy in no time flat. --- Good luck if you as an individual try to get any more info out of records tho.

Gatty and I did this once before at LP, and he didn't show shit.

#70. To: tpaine, Goldi-Lox (#68)
So? When will you meet the terms of the challenge? I'm still waiting.
You are not waiting on me, the terms have long since been complied with to Goldi.
Gatlin posted on 2014-05-15

#91. To: tpaine (#80)
I have all of Gatlin's personal info.
But no one else can have access to it.
So, what's your point?
To make us jump thru your hoops?
Just a pain in the ass.
Yes.
That'd be you.
Goldi-Lox posted on 2014-05-18

#93. To: Goldi-Lox (#91)
I [Goldi] have all of Gatlin's personal info.
Wonderful. Glad to hear he's an honest man who is who he says he is …
tpaine posted on 2014-05-18

To: tpaine (#80) I have all of Gatlin's personal info. But no one else can have access to it. So, what's your point? To make us jump thru your hoops? Just a pain in the ass. Yes. That'd be you. Goldi-Lox posted on 2014-05-18

#93. To: Goldi-Lox (#91) I [Goldi] have all of Gatlin's personal info.

Wonderful. Glad to hear he's an honest man who is who he says he is … tpaine, tongue in cheek...

What did you expect me to say to a sick woman who was ready to ban me?

Never did find out how much it cost you to get her to post that.. Got honesty?

What did you expect me to say ...

I would have at one time expected you to be truthful and honorable.

But I no longer hold that expectation, since you have been blatantly exposed as a liar.

I now find it difficult and near impossible to associate with or post to anyone with such low character.

I would have at one time expected you to be truthful and honorable.

And I you, but that all changed when you took advantage of a dying confused old man, harrowup, and a dying woman, as above...

But I no longer hold that expectation, since you have been blatantly exposed as a liar.

All you exposed was your ability to get Goldie to say she had your info.. SHE DID NOT VERIFY THAT YOU WERE AN OFFICER IN OUR ARMED SERVICES.

I now find it difficult and near impossible to associate with or post to anyone with such low character.

Associate? How weird. -- But sure, don't post if that turns you on. --- You'll once again join the fine company of clowns who can't rationally debate, and hide behind the bozo.

Does Romans 13 say that YOU can decide which government and what laws are legitimate?

No, Deckard has made it abundantly clear that only a Paultard is capable of deciding that.