| COLORADO SPRINGS Colorado crowned Ted Cruz as the runaway winner in the state's Republican presidential contest Saturday and moved the GOP closer to a contested national convention.
The Texas senator won all 34 delegates awarded in Colorado in what amounts to a stunning rebuke of Republican front-runner Donald Trump. Cruz completed the sweep by winning all 13 delegates at the state convention in Colorado Springs the largest in history with nearly 8,000 in the crowd where he gave what amounted to an victory speech earlier in the day. "If it we continue to stand united," Cruz declared, "we are going to win this Republican nomination." His landslide victory in Colorado, combined with recent wins Wisconsin and Utah, increases the likelihood that no Republican candidate reaches the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the party's nomination. Surrounded by supporters in bright orange shirts, Cruz said the momentum behind his campaign will only continue as the final states vote in the next two months. "We are here today because our country is in crisis," Cruz said in his opening. "All across the country, people are waking up and help is on the way." In an interview with The Denver Post ahead of his speech, Cruz said he is preparing for a "battle on the convention floor" in Cleveland with Donald Trump to "see who can earn a majority of the delegates." He called a contested convention a "very significant possibility" and labeled the 21 delegates he won in early congressional districts in Colorado vital in his push. The strategy reflects a shift from earlier in the campaign, when Cruz expressed confidence he could win before the July convention. "I am confident we are going to win in Cleveland at a contested convention," he said. The candidate's visit to Colorado is the first this election cycle and a signal of how much energy the campaign put into winning the state's 37 national delegates. After Cruz swept the congressional district conventions in the past week, he expressed confidence he would win a portion of the 13 statewide delegates awarded Saturday. Front-runner Trump and Ohio Gov. John Kasich did not attend the state convention, sending supporters in their place. Both campaigns invested little in the state, sensing that the state's caucus process run by hard-core party insiders did not favor their campaigns. Cruz criticized Trump for skipping the event, suggesting "he was scared." "They knew he wasn't going to do well," Cruz said. "Donald doesn't handle losing well." The visit to Colorado forced Cruz to address Colorado issues, including the legalization of marijuana. If elected president, Cruz told The Denver Post that he would not interfere with the state's pot legalization. "I think on the question of marijuana legalization, we should leave it to the states," Cruz said before addressing the GOP activists at the state convention here."If it were me personally, voting on it in the state of Texas, I would vote against it. "The people of Colorado have made a different decision. I respect that decision," he continued. "And actually, it is an opportunity for the rest of the country to see what happens here in Colorado, what happens in Washington state see the states implement the policies, and if it works well, other states may choose to follow. If it doesn't work well, other states may choose not to follow." Cruz declined to make a judgment about the first two years of legalization in Colorado. "I'm going to give that some time to let the facts and evidence play out, and ultimately that will be a decision for the people of Colorado," he said. On the question of banking for the marijuana industry, Cruz said he hasn't studied the issue and needed to learn more before taking a position. On the concourse at the convention at the Broadmoor World Arena, party activists studied red-checkered ballots that resembled horse track racing forms. Most picked national delegates based on which presidential candidate they favored. "You don't know most of the people, so you have to pay attention and go with your gut," said Helen Escobedo, a retired school teacher and Cruz supporter, eating a hamburger while she perused the ballot. "You look at who they are supporting, and you hope they'll stick with it." Earlier in the day, Sierra Stieb of Colorado Springs handed out Trump fliers. "I wouldn't necessarily say I support Trump, but he does have some qualities I support. I like his business acumen, his entrepreneurial spirit," Stieb said. "He speaks his mind. He's very strong and he doesn't back down in the face of adversity. But those qualities also have a negative attribute." But Trump supporter Harold Giles of Colorado Springs said a brokered convention would "break the party." "Elections matter," he said. "If the people elect Trump, he should be our guy. I'd rather lose one election than sacrifice what the ballot means." |
Ted Cruz dominates Colorado GOP convention winning all 34 delegates
| Source: | The Denver Post |
| Published: | Apr 9, 2016 |
| Author: | John Frank and Joey Bunch |
| Post Date: | 2016-04-10 04:36:00 by Tooconservative |
| Views: | 24549 |
#1: Tooconservative To: All, nolu chan, SOSO, tomder55, Pinguinite, A K A Stone, ConservingFreedom (#0)
The various delegate counts at sites like Politico don't get updated regularly. However, as of 3/24/16, Politico had delegate totals for the candidates, up through the DC primary.
But those results don't include Wisconsin or Colorado or North Dakota or partial results from Wyoming.
In Wisconsin, Cruz apparently took 36 and Trump got 6 (for winning in two western CDs).
In Colorado, Cruz got 34, Trump and Kasich 0.
In North Dakota (25 delegates, all unbound), Cruz got commitments from 18 and Trump only got one. But all are legally unbound at the convention so you wouldn't include them in official counts of bound delegates.
In Wyoming caucuses, Cruz won 9 delegates. Trump and Rubio got one each. Cruz is on track to win more on 4/16 at the state convention, perhaps close to a clean sweep.
So we can update Politico's numbers like this:
Every state gets at least 3 state GOP party honchos as delegates. As a group, these are unbound but they are considered a bloc of Cruz supporters by default because the party thinks Trump will be a disaster as a nominee. If only two-thirds of the state party honchos are latent Cruz supporters, that means Cruz might actually hold a narrow lead in total delegates.
Just my own counts so feel free to dispute them.
Of course, Trump people will say that's the closest Cruz will ever get to Trump, that Trump will widen his lead in upcoming northeast contests. Which may be true.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 05:18:40 Reply Private Reply
#2: tomder55 To: TooConservative (#1)
April 26 there are 173 East Coast delegates in play . Not sure about the other states ;but PA only awards 17 of 71 delegates directly through the primary results.
The rest ?? ....Voters in each of PA's 18 congressional districts will choose 3 uncommitted delegates .Individual delegates run for election with their names on the ballot. Pennsylvania delegates arent publicly affiliated with any Presidential campaign. In other words, the delegates candidate preference isnt listed on the ballot.
The top three vote-getters in each Congressional district become delegates to the convention. This gives an enormous advantage to campaigns that have a large and sophisticated ground operation in the state. Each campaign not only has to turn out its supporters in each district, but it has to arm them with the specific delegates they need to vote for in the primary.
Again, the ballot will not detail which campaign a delegate is allied with. The individual voters will have to know in advance which delegates will support their preferred candidate.
This gives an enormous advantage to campaigns that have a large and sophisticated ground operation in the state. Each campaign not only has to turn out its supporters in each district, but it has to arm them with the specific delegates they need to vote for in the primary.
The Pennsylvania Leadership Conference held a straw poll April 2. Cruz won that overwhelmingly 64.83%, Donald Trump 13.65%, and John Kasich 13.38%.
tomder55 posted on 2016-04-10 09:02:11 Reply Private Reply
#3: buckeroo To: TooConservative (#0)
I remember that line of bullshit from the GWBush/Dick Cheney campaign slogans thrown around in 2000. My, how times fly, and the same ol' bullshit keeps flowing.
buckeroo posted on 2016-04-10 09:15:30 Reply Private Reply
#4: Tooconservative To: tomder55 (#2)
That, I did not know.
Nice review of Pennsylvania's arcane but Totally Insane Delegate Selection process.
I think I pinged you to the thread I posted here at LF, got no replies. Perhaps I do post too many of these boring nuts-n-bolts state party delegate selection threads. All those obscure state party minutiae that vary from state to state is not exactly exciting reading. Like my new thread today on how township caucuses can be dominated by party veterans to pack Cruz supporters into Trump delegate slots for the congressional convention and the state convention. I thought it was useful for people to grasp how district delegates turn into county delegates and state delegates and finally national delegates.
Anyway, this was my PA delegate rules thread.
LF: These Penn. delegates could decide GOP nomination
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 09:21:41 Reply Private Reply
#5: Tooconservative To: buckeroo (#3)
Well, Bernie did win WY yesterday so you can be happy. That's 7 wins in a row for the Bern. And some MN superdelegate flipped to Bernie yesterday. If Xlinton's superdelegate dam begins to break, Hitlery could get dumped, just like she did in 2008.
And if Bernie can't dislodge Her Thighness, you still can vote for your dead dog, Scruffy.
I may join you. : )
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 09:24:11 Reply Private Reply
#6: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#0)
Can you say "pander"? Sure. I knew you could.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 09:31:41 Reply Private Reply
#7: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#0)
Wow! What a great way for the GOP establishment to retain their hold on the voter. I bet they wish they could do this in every state. Maybe 4 years from now, huh?
Screw the people. Screw the voters. The GOP decides, you scum.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 09:34:36 Reply Private Reply
#8: tomder55 To: TooConservative (#5)
and simultaneously lost the delegate count in WY. More arcane process.
tomder55 posted on 2016-04-10 09:36:11 Reply Private Reply
#9: tomder55 To: misterwhite (#7)
tomder55 posted on 2016-04-10 09:36:50 Reply Private Reply
#10: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#6)
Can you say "states' rights"? How about "laboratories of democracy"?
But, sure, there was some pandering in there too. LOL
But, as in ND, at least Cruz showed up. Trump & Kasich: nada.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 09:38:32 Reply Private Reply
#11: misterwhite To: tomder55 (#9)
I'm not laughing.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 09:41:31 Reply Private Reply
#12: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#7)
Not at all.
If you want change, get involved in your district/country/state GOP.
Until you do, the party veterans in your state will dominate the process. And pick all the national delegates.
Keep in mind, every single bound delegate to the GOP convention only represents a "voter preference". Some are unbound from the start (e.g. ND, state party honchos), others become unbound after one or more convention ballots.
If you don't like it, get involved in your state's GOP. Otherwise, shaddup.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 09:42:15 Reply Private Reply
#13: buckeroo To: TooConservative, nolu chan (#1)
buckeroo posted on 2016-04-10 09:44:33 Reply Private Reply
#14: A K A Stone To: tomder55 (#9)
It's hilarious that you are so dim witted.
His position on trade is pure establishment sell out FUCK America.
His position that he wants to legalize illegals with a green card is pure establishment.
His belief that you don't have to be a natural born citizen is pure establishment.
He lies and talks out of both sides of his ugly mug. Just like the establishment.
You only vote establishment.
He has been part of the government his hole life.
It is now time for you to get your head out of your asshole.
Here watch Ted when he was saying something else. He is a liar.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 09:48:06 Reply Private Reply
#15: A K A Stone To: TooConservative (#12)
Ted Cruz's lying is rubbing off you you munchkins.
Trump has more votes then anyone in the R party in a generation.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 09:50:22 Reply Private Reply
#16: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#10)
I'm all for it. But would that work with recreational drugs? Let's say that resulted in recreational drugs -- all of them, mind you -- legal in half the states and illegal in the other half.
What do you think? Would that work?
Bear in mind that, prior to Prohibition, alcohol was legal in half the states and illegal in the other half. We know that didn't work.
But it would with drugs, huh? How can you be so dumb? I thought you were a smart guy.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 09:51:04 Reply Private Reply
#17: A K A Stone To: tomder55 (#2)
Take your undemocratic establishment faux rules and shove them up your ass.
Hillary 2016 is your goal. It is a fact that will happen when you sell outs fuck the American people again.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 09:52:52 Reply Private Reply
#18: A K A Stone To: TooConservative (#10)
You use a lot of Vaseline.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 09:53:52 Reply Private Reply
#19: A K A Stone To: misterwhite (#16)
Trump has broad support.
The fact that pinguinite and you support the same guy proves it.
Don't mind TC he is on the establishment pay roll. He gets paid to post here.
At least that is what I was told years ago. I didn't believe it then. But when someone ignores all the facts sticks their tiny fingers in their ears and closes their eyes. That kind of makes the point.
He is amusing though. Poor little munchkin.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 09:56:08 Reply Private Reply
#20: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#15)
And also has more votes against him than any GOP nominee in about a century.
For all that Trump riled up and brought out new voters (mostly his TV show fanbois), he's driving a lot of others away from him, and from the party if he is the nominee.
There aren't enough new angry white guys to make up for all the votes Trump drives away. Because America has run out of those kind of angry white guys even if LF hasn't.
It's that simple.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 09:59:44 Reply Private Reply
#21: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#19)
I wish.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:00:14 Reply Private Reply
#22: A K A Stone To: TooConservative (#20)
Votes for other people aren't votes against him.
I know several people who voted for other people. They ALL will vote for Trump when he gets the nomination. 100 percent. Is that you lying Ted?
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 10:01:01 Reply Private Reply
#23: A K A Stone To: TooConservative (#20)
Establishment whores and dupes like you.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 10:01:40 Reply Private Reply
#24: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#16)
Long term, it'll work out about like the varying ages in different states for buying .32 beer and regular beer and hard liquor and having dry towns and dry counties (which do still exist).
No big deal really.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:02:36 Reply Private Reply
#25: A K A Stone To: TooConservative (#20)
How do you know that? Oh polls.
Which you constantly say are unreliable.
Talking out of both sides again or just lying?
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 10:02:39 Reply Private Reply
#26: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#12)
The party veterans are not the people. They're not the voters. So my statement stands.
But I bet you're loving this. Squirming in your seat with a tingle up your leg. How can the will of the voter be thwarted so the establishment can get their way? You're like Michael Douglas in The War of the Roses -- "I got more square footage".
You're so dumb. You fail to realize that your backroom shenanigans and rule changing will have no effect whatsoever. Oh, it may change the numbers. For sure it will accomplish that.
But if Trump ends up with the lion's share OF DELEGATES SELECTED BY THE VOTERS, all this effort is for naught.
So play your games. And get ready for President Hillary if you "win".
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 10:03:20 Reply Private Reply
#27: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#22)
Or maybe you're just so vehement they're humoring you and telling you what you want to hear.
I assume they still have the secret ballot. They can say anything to anyone about their vote but they are still alone in that voting booth, like always.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:04:12 Reply Private Reply
#28: buckeroo To: TooConservative (#5)
I plan to write-in my vote for the next President of the United States of America: "my dead dawg Scruffy" irespective of all these other charlatans. Scruffy does not lie, steal or cheat. That is a fact.
buckeroo posted on 2016-04-10 10:04:22 Reply Private Reply
#29: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#26)
If Trump makes 1237, there will be no way to keep the nomination from him.
I saw Beck on Meet The Depressed a bit ago, saying exactly that. And he is the arch-NeverTrumper.
If Trump can't meet the 1237 delegate requirement, the nomination will go to someone else with Cruz as the most likely (but not certain) choice.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:06:32 Reply Private Reply
#30: A K A Stone To: TooConservative (#27)
Your family and friends may lie to you. I trust mine.
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 10:06:35 Reply Private Reply
#31: A K A Stone To: TooConservative (#29)
The mornon who is going to hell. This two faced asshole liar?
A K A Stone posted on 2016-04-10 10:07:52 Reply Private Reply
#32: Tooconservative To: buckeroo (#28)
Too bad you don't have a pic of Scruffy so we could make some nice campaign banners.
Perhaps you could find and post a link to a picture of a doggie that looks just like Scruffy, maybe a dog that is asleep. I could make a nice boilerplate campaign banner like this one.
He's not dead, he's just resting!
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:10:27 Reply Private Reply
#33: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#20)
But there are lots of independents, blue-collar Democrats, Hispanics and Blacks who will take their place.
People who want a real border so they can have a country, people who want jobs, people who want free trade -- but want it to be fair, people who want a strong military so we don't have to use it, people who want an end to political correctness, people who want the federal government out of education, people who want an end to the good-old-boy networks, people who want THEIR voice heard.
That'll make up for those voters YOU SAY Trump will lose.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 10:11:02 Reply Private Reply
#34: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#25)
You support a candidate who can't talk about any policy he has and never stops blathering about his polls.
Now the polls turn against him and suddenly polls aren't important after all.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:11:41 Reply Private Reply
#35: buckeroo To: TooConservative (#29)
This is the likely outcome. Has beens: Jeb Bush and John Boehner have already thrown their massive weight behind Paul Ryan. It is amazing what goes on in the smokey back room of the GOP, ain't it?
buckeroo posted on 2016-04-10 10:12:08 Reply Private Reply
#36: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#33)
In Donald's and your fantasy world.
In the real world, not at all.
Donald was the one yammering about all these polls for months on end, boring the crap out of everyone. Now the polls show he's made himself radioactive with a big majority of voters who hate his guts.
So suddenly polls don't matter. The 1237 delegate rule of the GOP doesn't matter. Because Trump has run a lousy campaign and would be a Goldwater/Mondale sized disaster for the entire GOP in the general election.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:14:45 Reply Private Reply
#37: Tooconservative To: buckeroo (#35)
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:15:15 Reply Private Reply
#38: buckeroo To: TooConservative, Fred Mertz (#34)
Be careful. Stone doesn't like anyone suggesting the truth that is counter to his own ideas.
Free Fred!
buckeroo posted on 2016-04-10 10:15:53 Reply Private Reply
#39: Tooconservative To: A K A Stone (#30)
Sure you do. But you can't prove to me (or yourself) that they aren't just humoring you.
"Psst, don't say that to Uncle AKA, you know how excited he gets..."
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:16:54 Reply Private Reply
#40: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#24)
ONLY if all states legalize recreational drugs as they do with alcohol. Then there might be small differences between states. Even then, we have a National drinking age because the federal government threatened to cut off funds to those states which refused to go along.
Is that what you want? States making the decision but the federal govenment cutting off those states which didn't make the right decision?
But you didn't answer my question. Would "states rights" work with recreational drugs if they were legal in half the states and illegal in the other half? Hint: What's the reaction from the states surrounding Colorado regarding legal marijuana?
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 10:29:46 Reply Private Reply
#41: tpaine To: All you prohibitionist dummies (#16)
Bear in mind that, -- Prohibitions NEVER work. --- AND, -- prohibitions are unconstitutional.
But prohibitions work with drugs, huh? How can you be so dumb?
tpaine posted on 2016-04-10 10:30:49 Reply Private Reply
#42: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#29)
And if Trump makes 1236, do you really think your rule changes will prevent him from being the nominee? What will you do when those 1236 walk out of the convention and go home?
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 10:35:05 Reply Private Reply
#43: Tooconservative To: misterwhite, Deckard (#40)
You mistake me for someone who gives two shits about your beloved Drug War. Well, other than recognizing it has been a failure for the last 45 years and has imprisoned a lot of people and ruined their lives for no good reason.
And you're way offtopic.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:38:40 Reply Private Reply
#44: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#42)
Yep. And those would be a continuation of the current rules, not new rules.
The basic requirements to get the nomination go back 160 years, to the Whig Party. This is how it has always been since before the GOP existed.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:40:07 Reply Private Reply
#45: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#36)
When your "party veterans" allow the people to vote, that's the result. But I forgot -- you don't believe facts. You put your faith in polls.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 10:41:14 Reply Private Reply
#46: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#44)
Then you are insane.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 10:43:51 Reply Private Reply
#47: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#45)
Again, there has been no greater fan of polls than Trump and his fanbois.
Until they suddenly paint a picture of utter disaster for Trump as GOP nominee.
Now those polls are suddenly just Pure Evil.
Live by the polls, die by the polls, bucko.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:48:04 Reply Private Reply
#48: Tooconservative To: tpaine (#41)
Please don't. No amount of falsification will ever move him. He's essentially a chatbot on this and other topics. Only useful for getting some keyboard exercise.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:49:42 Reply Private Reply
#49: misterwhite To: TooConservative (#43)
You wish.
Cruz said the decision on drugs should be left to each state (but not his state). You agreed and cited "states rights' and "laboratories of democracy".
I'll ask you for the third time. Would "states rights" work with recreational drugs if they were legal in half the states and illegal in the other half?
You don't want to answer because the answer is "no". Which is why we have the federal law. IT WOULD NOT WORK at the state level. It didn't work with alcohol and it won't work with recreational drugs.
misterwhite posted on 2016-04-10 10:52:33 Reply Private Reply
#50: Tooconservative To: misterwhite (#49)
He said he would vote against it. Meaning he would submit to the voters' will in his own state. Consistent with his general states' rights position on the issue.
Meh. Don't care.
Tooconservative posted on 2016-04-10 10:57:24 Reply Private Reply