"That in a narrowed field Trump can't answer with specifics of his policy and action plans."

He was the only one to offer up candidates for Scalia's replacement. It took Obama a month, and we have yet to hear from any of the other candidates.

He has presented a concrete tax plan. He has a specific immigration plan. A detailed plan for the VA. A detailed plan for healthcare reform. US-China trade reform.

You don't know what you're talking about.

"The problem with these "battle royale" debates is the winner is the one who gets the best "zingers." When it gets down to a couple of people, the logic of the argument becomes much more apparent."

Yeah, right.

Remember when Lloyd Bentsen said to Dan Quayle: "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy"? That was a one-on-one debate.

"But I find it strange that Fox would announce the debate without having an indication that the parties will attend."

No downside.

The upside is that if Trump attends they make millions off the advertising, Megyn Kelly gets to attack Trump again, and the other candidates get to comment on the size of Trump's hands. Or shoes. Or whatever.

The other upside is if Trump doesn't attend, they get to call him a coward. Win- win.

Remember when Lloyd Bentsen said to Dan Quayle: "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy"? That was a one-on-one debate.

That's one counter example. However, in that election, who got the last laugh?

"That's one counter example."

Off the top of my head. I'm sure I could dig and find a dozen more.

Of course then you'd say, "That's only a dozen". So why bother? I made my point.

W Bush was worse than Jimmy Carter.

Only if you are a communist.

In Carter's era, the Soviet's invaded Afghanistan, and thereby began their trajectory into the dustbin of history.

Carter's presidency also ushered in the trajectory of America into the dustbin of history.

Carter got the Egyptians and Israelis to sign a formal peace agreement. No other President has achieved that.

Big Whoop! I wouldn't care if they wiped each other out. I am an AMERICAN,not a globalist. My prime concern is for America. If Israel is that important to you,you need to move your ass to Israel.

Hmmmm,you are obviously a big fan of the Dummy from Plains,and are also a big fan of the Dummy from NYC. I sense a pattern here.

He was the only one to offer up candidates for Scalia's replacement. It took Obama a month, and we have yet to hear from any of the other candidates.

He has presented a concrete tax plan. He has a specific immigration plan. A detailed plan for the VA. A detailed plan for healthcare reform. US-China trade reform.

WHO are you talking about? It obviously isn't Trump unless you consider saying "I will hire good managers" is a plan.

But I won't exploit your youth and inexperience for political gains.

I sense a pattern here.

There is nothing to sense. I am a common sense Midwestern person with a clear view of things.

That's why I sound reasonable next to you and your ilk, who are batshit crazy.

unless you consider saying "I will hire good managers" is a plan.

It IS a plan.

"Carter got the Egyptians and Israelis to sign a formal peace agreement. No other President has achieved that."

We promised Egypt foreign aid equal to two-thirds of whatever we gave to Israel. I bet even I could successfully "negotiate" a treaty like that.

"I said the weight of the argument becomes more apparent in co comparison to the zingers."

And I again offer as counter-argument when Lloyd Bentsen said to Dan Quayle: "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy". What else do you remember from that debate? I rest my case.

Why should Trump, polling at numbers that double his opponents', participate in a debate where his opponents could have a Lloyd Bentsen moment?

We promised Egypt foreign aid equal to two-thirds of whatever we gave to Israel. I bet even I could successfully "negotiate" a treaty like that.

It established and kept the peace. Egypt was the only Muslim country that had the population and power to actually defeat Israel - they nearly did it in 1973 - AND they had been a Soviet client.

With the Camp David accords, Carter managed to remove the only true existential threat to Israel AND pluck the most important Soviet client card in the Middle East out of their hands. It was a pretty good move. Republicans are blinded with hatred towards Democrats, and blind to their own faults and errors.

the risk to himself of a bad debate performance,

AKA Getting his ass handed to him.

Evidently little things like Truth, Logic and Reason are beyond the comprehension/attention span of militant Generation XBox populists manufactured by Reality TeeVee.

What else do you remember from that debate? I rest my case.

Mostly, I remember Quayle began living in the Vice President's quarters a few weeks later.

And frankly, for all the press the remark got, it was cheap and pointless. They were talking about legislating, and when it came to being an actual legislator, Jack Kennedy was no Dan Quayle.

"But I find it strange that Fox would announce the debate without having an indication that the parties will attend."

No downside.

You truly are blind. You don't think that Fox is embarrassed over having to cancel the debate? Really? No I truly understand that there is no hope for Trump dopes.

So you're telling me that constitutes a commitment to participate in the debate?

I am telling you that Trump lied. But you have so hopelessly been conned by Trump that you have lost your ability to reason. There is no hop for Trump dupes.

FDR took over a country that was sunk in an economic depression and disarmed in the face of rising threats. He armed the country, thereby bringing the country out of the Depression, fought a world war, and won it.

FDR's economic policies were a disaster, the record is perfectly clear on that. The only thing that turned that around was the war. FYI FDR campaigned at least twice (his 3rd AND 4th terms) promising We The People that he would not get into "that war in Europe" while all the time doing the opposite of what he promised. He lied, over and over again. But it seems that you are one of those the ends justify the means type, aka a DRat.

"You don't think that Fox is embarrassed over having to cancel the debate?"

Not when they're able to convince people like you that Trump agreed to the deba debate then backed out.

Not when they're able to convince people like you that Trump agreed to the deba debate then backed out.

Belief should be based on evidence. I don't know for a fact that Trump reneged on his acceptance to participate. But I have a brain and use it to find and evaluate the evidence. And the evidence is perfectly clear that Trump lied about why he is not participating in the debate. You had to go deeper up you ass to claim that there was no downside risk for Fox in announcing the debate without having an indication that all three of the candidates will attend. This was an especially risky thing to do for Fox since Trump already reneged on his commitment to participate in an earlier Fox debate. The facts are all before you but you continue to sell out your intellect for your ideology. There is no hope for Trump dupes.

There is no hop for Trump dupes.

Oh please, your GOPe constant bashing trump hasn't done one thing but give him more votes.

Keep on posting nonsense, while we count our votes.

"You had to go deeper up you ass to claim that there was no downside risk for Fox in announcing the debate without having an indication that all three of the candidates will attend."

The debate was set up with the GOP, not the candidates. Maybe the GOP agreed. Trump didn't.

In post #13, you claimed that Trump committed to this debate. You can either back that up or keep quiet.

Oh please, your GOPe constant bashing trump hasn't done one thing but give him more votes.

Keep on posting nonsense, while we count our votes.

And the will be less than the votes for Hillary. FYI I have decided that if Trump is the nominee I will vote for him over Hillary. Not because I believe that Trump is anything other than a con man but because the country deserves that.

There is no hope for Trump dupes.

But it seems that you are one of those the ends justify the means type, aka a DRat.

I am not a Democrat. Never have been. Am not likely to become one as long as the Democrats have their current policies on abortion.

FDR's economic policies were the right thing to do. He inherited a disaster inflicted by Republican Administrations - a familiar theme, and he stabilized the situation and gave the country hope.

FDR didn't drag us into the war. The Japanese bombed us, remember?

You hard-core partisan Republicans are just like hard-core partisan Democrats: immune to reality, immune to the truth, living in your fantasies, and more and more out of touch with the people. That's why your precious Establishment is falling to pieces in the face of Trump. All the Establishment has is guys like you.

Belief should be based on evidence.

Are you a Christian?

In post #13, you claimed that Trump committed to this debate.

Now you stoop to lying? Here is exactly what I said in post #13:

"It appears that he did. Why do you say that he didn't?"

Do you understand what the word appears means?

"You can either back that up or keep quiet."

I have clearly and convincingly backed up my claim that Trump lied about knowing about the debate. That is obvious to any intellectually honest person. But as I say, there is no hope for Trump dupes.

Belief should be based on evidence.

Are you a Christian?

I have faith in God, a gift He has given to me. A leap of faith is required for such belief. There is no leap of any kind required to understand, to know, that Trump lied about not knowing about the debate before he accepted another speaking engagement.

"Do you understand what the word appears means?"

Yep. It appears you were using a weasel word.

"I have clearly and convincingly backed up my claim that Trump lied about knowing about the debate.

You were claiming that Trump committed to the debate and backed out. When you couldn't back that up, you now claim he knew about the debate.

You can't back that up either.

You hard-core partisan Republicans are just like hard-core partisan Democrats: immune to reality, immune to the truth, living in your fantasies, and more and more out of touch with the people.

It is exactly my endeavors to discover the truth that led me to change my registered party affiliation. I haven't been a registered REP in years. I haven't support the national or my state REP party in years.

As for you, you have stated many times on this forum that you strongly prefer the DRats to the REPs. In fact I seem to recall that you stated that you hated the REP party. I recall that you even stated that you supported Obama even though he supports late term abortions. You have been a major hypocrite on your precious issue of abortion. You best do a reality check on yourself.

"Do you understand what the word appears means?"

Yep. It appears you were using a weasel word.

If admitting up front that I was not certain, that I didn't have the evidence, to know for sure that he commited to the debate is weasel in your world, then guilty as charged.

"you now claim he knew about the debate.

You can't back that up either."

I most certainly did back that up. Read the posts again.

"I most certainly did back that up."

All you showed is that he could have known. You morphed that into he did know.

I call bullshit.

All you showed is that he could have known. You morphed that into he did know.

I call bullshit.

Call it want you want claiming that he didn't as late as March 9 is what is pure BS. And you know that even though you are a Trump dupe.

As for you, you have stated many times on this forum that you strongly prefer the DRats to the REPs.

You have a reading comprehension problem.

I have stated that I strongly prefer the Democrats to Republicans on economic matters and poverty relief.

I hate the Republican Party because they are liars.

I hate the Democrats because they're babykillers.

If you recall me saying that I "supported Obama" you are now doing what you accuse Trump of doing: lying. I voted for McCain (really, I voted for Sarah), and I voted for Romney. I held my nose and voted for Romney, because he was obviously a fraud, but I still considered him better than an avowed babykiller. At least Romney felt the need to lie about his real position.

You're making things up now, purposely obtuse.

And your political platform is shot full of holes and sinking. You're not getting anything you want, you're not going to, you're unappeasable and obnoxious, and you can't keep your facts straight. You went from truths - like "Vicomte hates the Republicans" to wholesale lies, like "Vicomte supported Obama", and you believe them.

Bitter, mean, and defeated - you're the old guy shaking his fist as the kids passing by in the street.

Sucks to be you.

You're not going to enjoy President Trump. But I will.

unless you consider saying "I will hire good managers" is a plan.

It IS a plan.

So is wishing upon a star. That doesn't make either a GOOD plan.

We promised Egypt foreign aid equal to two-thirds of whatever we gave to Israel. I bet even I could successfully "negotiate" a treaty like that.

It established and kept the peace. Egypt was the only Muslim country that had the population and power to actually defeat Israel

Remind me again why that is any of our business or concern.

I am telling you that Trump lied. But you have so hopelessly been conned by Trump

Trump didn't con him,he conned himself.

You're not going to enjoy President Trump. But I will.

LMAO No you won't.

And there are posts on LF were you said you supported Obama positions over REP's. They are out there but I am not going to take the time to find them, it would just be a waste of time. I didn't say that you voted for him, voting is not the only means/way of support. So bone up on your reading comprehension. Perhaps you should spend more time understanding current languages rather than dead ones.

I am telling you that Trump lied. But you have so hopelessly been conned by Trump

Trump didn't con him,he conned himself.

There is no hope for a Trump dupe.

If it comes down to Hillary vs. Trump I will vote Trump. I have just had it with both parties and more so with the character of We The People. F*ck it all. Let's destroy this MF and remake it from the ground up. Let Trump destroy the REP party. Let Hillary and the DRats destroy what's left of the country.

If we can't save the system or We The People from themselves then I want Trump to f*ck everything up for everybody. My wife and I will survive and live out the rest of our days relatively untouched by the impending corruption. I think that our daughter will likely do so as well but I am not all certain about my grandkids as I think they will be screwed over - they are white you know.

F*ck it all. Let's destroy this MF and remake it from the ground up. Let Trump destroy the REP party. Let Hillary and the DRats destroy what's left of the country.

If we can't save the system or We The People from themselves then I want Trump to f*ck everything up for everybody.

This is precisely the sort of dynamic, positive thinking we so desperately need from today's conservatives! Thanks for giving us the pep talk!

If we can't save the system or We The People from themselves then I want Trump to f*ck everything up for everybody.

This is precisely the sort of dynamic, positive thinking we so desperately need from today's conservatives! Thanks for giving us the pep talk!

Yeah, Sparky, go ye forth and make America great again.

"I am telling you that Trump lied."

Without any proof, what you're telling me is that you think he lied. And you're not even sure what he lied about.

Amateur.

... but I am not all certain about my grandkids as I think they will be screwed over - they are white you know.

Sorry about your luck, honky.

Yeah, Sparky, go ye forth and make America great again.

Will do.

Without any proof, what you're telling me is that you think he lied. And you're not even sure what he lied about.

Amateur.

Amatuer. LMOA. If the evidence was presented in a court of law there is no reasonable doubt that Trump lied about not knowing of the Fox debate prior to March 9th. That's proof enough.

But if you want more evidence here is some:

"A source close to the matter explained that the network was slow to confirm the debate’s cancellation because Clemente was still trying to persuade Trump to participate. Trump himself admitted at the recent CNN debate that he was aware more debates were on the horizon. “I think they want to do two more debates, and I guess I’m pretty much okay with it,” he told CNN’s Chris Cuomo.

This is not the first debate Trump has elected to skip. He boycotted January’s Fox News debate, hosted by his media nemesis, Megyn Kelly. He continued to criticize her on Twitter on Tuesday."

Try and keep hope alive, Sparky. But there is no hope for a Trump dupe.

... but I am not all certain about my grandkids as I think they will be screwed over - they are white you know.

Sorry about your luck, honky.

That's OK, I still enjoy my privilege.

"The debate would clash with a “very important speech” he is due to give, Trump told ‘Fox and Friends’. The Republican front-runner is set to speak to the annual conference of the pro-Israel lobby group American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), an event he said “was scheduled a week ago.”

This is dated March 16. One week ago is March 9. The debate was scheduled in Feb. He claims that on March 9 he did not know of the debate in Utah that was scheduled in March and scheduled another event. In other words Fox scheduled a debate in Utah for March 20 and hadn't told Trump about it by Match 9. That is too incredulous to believe. Trump again by his own words seems to be caught in a lie here.

An additional debate was penciled into the debate schedule by the GOP in February, without a firm date, time, venue, or sponsor; or commitment by any participant.

It was announced on March 14.

http://deadline.com/2016/03/fox-news-channel-nabs-march-21-gop-debate-in-salt-lake-city-1201719939/

Fox News Channel Nabs March 21 GOP Debate In Salt Lake City

by Lisa de Moraes
March 14, 2016 10:18am

Fox News Channel will host its fourth Republican presidential primary debate March 21 from Salt Lake City. The two-hour debate will be presented live from the Salt Palace Convention Center at 9 PM ET.

[...]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/14/media/fox-news-gop-debate-donald-trump/index.html

Fox News announces March 21 GOP debate

by Dylan Byers
@CNNMoney
March 14, 2016: 1:12 PM ET

The Republicans will hold another debate, whether Donald Trump likes it or not.

Fox News announced Monday that it will host a March 21 debate in Salt Lake City, which was penciled into the calendar just last month. It will be the 13th debate of the Republican presidential primary contest.

[...]

On March 14, the date, time, venue and sponsor were announced. It was to be on Monday, March 21; not on Sunday, March 20.

Two days later, on March 16, came the announcement that the event had been canceled.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-to-skip-next-republican-debate/

By Reena Flores
CBS News
March 16, 2016, 9:15 AM

Fox News cancels next Republican debate after candidates bolt

[...]

"The network was slow to confirm the debate’s cancellation because Clemente was still trying to persuade Trump to participate."

If Trump had previously agreed to participate in the debate -- as you say he did -- that's an odd way to phrase it.

If you're correct, shouldn't that read, "... the network was slow to confirm the debate’s cancellation because Clemente was still trying to persuade Trump to participate not to cancel"?

On March 14, the date, time, venue and sponsor were announced. It was to be on Monday, March 21; not on Sunday, March 20.

That doesn't mean that Trump and the other candidates weren't notified well before that date by either Fox of the RNC. Does it really make sense to you that in February the RNC agrees to a debate to be hosted by Fox in Salt Lake City on March 20 or 21 and neither the RNC nor Fox contact any of the candidates for participation until March 14? This in the middle of a heated campaign season and knowing of the AIPAC convention being held at the same time? Really?

If either Cruz or Kasich say that they also were not notified prior to March 9 or if the RNC or Fox say the didn't notify Trump prior to March 9 I will apologize for calling Trump a liar AND I will vote for him if he gets the nomination.