Until then - I will hold firm on my position that "the social conservative agenda" is not a position that will win a national election, because most Americans are far more interested in Jobs, keeping their home, paying their bills and taking care of their families.

Those are all important issues.

But just because we want jobs and a good economy is no reason to be a nation of child murderers.

Why do you lefties have such a calice disregard for life?

Why do you lefties have such a calice disregard for life?

Why does your concern for human life end when it exits the womb?

Why does your concern for human life end when it exits the womb?

It doesn't. I'm not the one putting debt shackles on the people not even born yet. That would be your side that is doing that.

I agree with Thomas Jefferson that the earth belongs to the living and these children don't owe a penny to the government for the debt of dead people.

It doesn't.

You would rather see them die for lack of medical care.

What you said is insane and offensive.

What you said is insane and offensive.

That's a pretty accurate description of your post to me.

If they did what we wanted we never would have had bozo care or NAFTA etc.

Perhaps - or maybe there are more Americans who have other priorities.....

First off you use the terms straight and gay. The correct terms are normal and perverted people.

ok, so you obviously fear or hate those whom you feel are "perverted" - but - if we can focus on my original premise - that as a political position - MOST Americans really don't care whether someone is gay or not - we could have a more productive discussion......

If you have any documentation that could prove otherwise - please share it - but your individual loathing (self loathing??) of the gay lifestyle is NOT a compelling argument that the socially conservative agenda is a winning position.

Does your sympathies lie with nazi thinking?

In one sentence, you demonstrate your narrow-minded ignorance and your failure to grasp 4th grade grammar...awesome!

Stem Cell research is something that the vast majority or Americans - and for that matter all humans - should be in favor of - to fight disease -

Personally I am 100% Pro-Life - but from a voter's perspective - opposing stem cell research is a losing position.

ok, so you obviously fear or hate those whom you feel are "perverted" - but - if we can focus on my original premise - that as a political position - MOST Americans really don't care whether someone is gay or not - we could have a more productive discussion......

I don't really care if someone is a queer or not.

But they shouldn't get special treatment like the weirdos want. They will never be married. That isn't the definition of marriage. They also need to stop trying to push their perverted thinking on schools and school children.

In short they need to get the fuck back in the closet and quit talking about their perverted lifestyle.

Pervert has a meaning by the way.

Why do you want foreigners to come here and take American jobs?

I don't.......

why to you stupidly assume otherwise?

the "anti-immigrant" position is nothing more than a rallying cry for the tiny minority of Americans who feel threatened by those who yearn to be free and seek the American dream......

Do you really think the anti-immigrant position is held by the majority of Americans? please cite your source if so....

Stem Cell research is something that the vast majority or Americans - and for that matter all humans - should be in favor of - to fight disease -

Personally I am 100% Pro-Life - but from a voter's perspective - opposing stem cell research is a losing position.

Taking stem cells from aborted babies is a sick practice. It is immoral and should be illegal.

If the unlawfulness of abortion was enforced and god forbid a baby in the womb died. If those parents wanted to donate the remains for research. Then that would be alright in my view.

But now killing babies for parts. That is gross and evil.

I don't.......

why to you stupidly assume otherwise?

the "anti-immigrant" position is nothing more than a rallying cry for the tiny minority of Americans who feel threatened by those who yearn to be free and seek the American dream......

Do you really think the anti-immigrant position is held by the majority of Americans? please cite your source if so....

Most people in this country oppose illegal immigration. I also oppose all immigration for a period of time until they assimilate and we get our house in order.

People from other nations don't have an inherit right to come to this country.

By the way nice to meet you and discuss issues with you.

That statement is utterly useless. It has no meaning.

So - you don't understand that medicare is welfare? Are you serious?

Tax dollars, taken from working Americans to pay for the health care expenses of those who do not work.......

kinda sounds like welfare - doesn't it?

and because we're not going to get off topic - MOST Americans do not want medicare changed....

so "welfare reform" is not a main stream issue.....is it?

So - you don't understand that medicare is welfare? Are you serious?

That isn't what your statement said.

so "welfare reform" is not a main stream issue.....is it?

Guess it depends on which type of welfare you are talking about.

But here is a bigger question. Is it right to force people to pay for someone elses healthcare regardless if it is popular or not.

We elect leaders to do the right thing not to stick their finger in the wind.

Do you know the definition of the word "no"? Apparently not.

Heh heh heh - c'mon give the "drama queen" act a rest.

Prayer in school is NOT an issue that wins elections, and you know it.

Those of us who feel otherwise have taken the initiative to send our children to schools beyond the public system.

You get that right? Take responsibility? sure you do.

Do you really think the anti-immigrant position is held by the majority of Americans?

AFAIK there are damn few who are anti-immigrant. But you're not talking a about immigrants are you? You mean illegal aliens, invaders of our sovereign nation.

Most Americans are against being invaded and taken over by Mexico, or any other country. The vast majority of Americans want our laws enforced, including deporting illegal invaders. You have a problem with rule of law?

If any foreign national wants to come to the US and become a citizen, they need to get on the path to citizenship at their local US embassy.

Those of us who feel otherwise have taken the initiative to send our children to schools beyond the public system.

You get that right? Take responsibility? sure you do.

My kids go to private school.

But it is still a right to pray anywhere you want to. No on has a right to tell a kid or a teacher not to pray.

But just because we want jobs and a good economy is no reason to be a nation of child murderers.

Why do you lefties have such a calice disregard for life?

After half a dozen remarks - you still have failed to grasp a very elementary concept - the "social conservative agenda" is an extreme minority position and will never produce a true national leader (president) because the "independent" "moderate" majority - which provide the deciding votes in every election - have no use for them.

As always - in my humble opinion only - I encourage you to prove otherwise.

If those parents wanted to donate the remains for research. Then that would be alright in my view.

Ok, so we agree stem cell research is a great thing! wonderful - see progress!

Another comment.

Whenever Republicans nominate a conservative they win. When they nominate RINO pieces of shit they lose. McCain comes to mind.

There should be no baby stem cell research until abortion is ended.

I also oppose all immigration for a period of time until they assimilate and we get our house in order.

A fair position - I won't argue against it -

but here's the point - any candidate that runs a campaign based on "putting an end to illegal immigrants" will attract an insignificant number of votes from the rural areas of the poorest states....and not much more.....

not a winning position - Reagan granted amnesty to millions of illegals....and is still considered by the socially conservative minority to be a demi-god.....

hat isn't what your statement said.

5. Welfare reform - what? like medicare???? right -

Yeah - that's exactly what I said....sorry if it wasn't clear

I have read that adult stem cell technology is more promising.

There should be no baby stem cell research until abortion is ended.

ok

is adult stem cell research promising? sure - MORE RESEARCH PLEASE!!!

"until abortion is ended" - abortion will never end - sad but true.

and again - opposition to stem cell research is NOT a mainstream position - just ask Nancy Reagan

By the way nice to meet you and discuss issues with you.

Oh, thanks! Same to you!

Nothing like a passionate argument bring forward new and different ideas!

Thanks for your comments!

My kids go to private school.

But it is still a right to pray anywhere you want to. No on has a right to tell a kid or a teacher not to pray.

Accepted

not really an issue at all is it?

US 61% of Americans Oppose Abortion in 'All' or 'Most' Situations. Posted on May 24, 2011 at 3:29pm by Billy Hallowell

outstanding! ....who is Billy Hallowell???

anyway....

even if Billy is right -

It doesn't matter - otherwise President Obama would still be Senator Obama.....

Whenever Republicans nominate a conservative they win. When they nominate RINO pieces of shit they lose. McCain comes to mind.

Bush won twice. Have you forgotten that?

BTW, I forgot one more thing about Perry - he oversaw the execution of an innocent man then tried to cover it up. Cameron Todd Willingham.

So if you believe in the sanctity of life, then he's not your guy.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

If he wins the nomination I could possibly vote for him though.

The undeniable facts of the Cameron Todd Willingham case are these:

• On Dec. 23, 1991, 2-year-old Amber Louise Kuykendall, and 1-year-old twins Karmon Diane Willingham and Kameron Marie Willingham died in a mid-morning house fire at 1213 W. 11th Ave. in Corsicana.

• Willingham, 23, the children’s father, and the only adult home at the time of the fire, was found guilty of murder and sentenced to death on Aug. 21, 1992.

• After five appeals and 12 years on death row, he was put to death by lethal injection on Feb. 17, 2004.

Everything else is controversial.

Unfortunately their megaphone is tiny, and Cooper and Maddow reach millions of people with their criminally biased reporting... the more I read about this case the more I am convinced this whole controversy is an attempt to end the death penalty, and the actual facts shouldn't get in the way...

The Dallas/Ft. Worth Fox station actually went to Corsicana and did some on the ground reporting... watching this, Willingham was one bad guy who got due process... even the new forensic investigatory tools don't point to innocence or that the fire was set accidentally, the new reports only point to inconclusive evidence on one small part of the case.

Willingham's last words were not "I am an innocent man." They were "I hope you rot in hell, bitch," directed toward his wife whom he had beaten many times even while she was pregnant to try to cause a miscarriage... this guy was guilty and had several appeals at the state and federal levels.

Here is the video (link)...

Story link: MyFoxDFW.com

You won't see anything like that on CNN or MSNBC. They have made up their minds, and it is not even about Willingham anymore it is about Rick and the death penalty more broadly.

Bush won twice. Have you forgotten that?

Bush ran as a conservative. Mocking liberals.

Perry isn't my guy.

If he wins the nomination I could possibly vote for him though.

You're kidding? NO? He's approved by that shady ass group, bilderberg, and you'd still vote for him?

Bush ran as a conservative. Mocking liberals.

Bush ran for reelection after passing the biggest expansion of Medicare ever.

Willingham's last words were not "I am an innocent man." They were "I hope you rot in hell, bitch," directed toward his wife whom he had beaten many times even while she was pregnant to try to cause a miscarriage...

Not quite, here's the official transcript of his last words:

Yeah. The only statement I want to make is that I am an innocent man -- convicted of a crime I did not commit. I have been persecuted for 12 years for something I did not do. From God's dust I came and to dust I will return -- so the earth shall become my throne. I gotta go, road dog. I love you Gabby. I hope you rot in hell, bitch; I hope you fucking rot in hell, bitch. You bitch; I hope you fucking rot, cunt. That is it.

Also:

"Willingham’s wife insisted during the trial and under interrogation that Willingham had not physically abused the children"

There was enough doubt that this guy shouldn't have been executed, and Perry has never offered a clear explanation as to why he replaced members of the commission investigating the case.

Again, if you believe in the sanctity of human life, you can't support Perry.

Most Americans agree with the conservative social issues. Maybe you're right......

Please help me to understand your perspecitve -

"Social Conservative" positions -

1.Anti-abortion.....still legal since 1973. If this were really a mainstream issue, R v. W would have been overturned decades ago.

2. Anti-gay rights.....yeah - all Americans are equal - but straight Americans are more equal....So if you're gay - you cannot enter into a variety of contracts.....including partnerships - Is this really important to MOST Americans? Be serious...

3. Anti-medical research - Like stem cells....c'mon seriously? MOST Americans want MORE medical research - No ONE wants to die of a curable disease!

4. Anti-immigration - a lot of Americans want a secure border, and a sensible approach to those here illegally. - Except politicians - Claiming to be a "social conservative" and "against illegal immigration" is pointless as Reagan showed us....

5. Welfare reform - what? like medicare???? right -

6.Lifting the ban on school prayer..... - ok, less than one percent of Americans even know that there is some sort of "ban" on public prayer in school - fewer than that care.

These are my perspectives - if you can refute them please do - I'd love to see some hard facts that suggest otherwise -

Until then - I will hold firm on my position that "the social conservative agenda" is not a position that will win a national election, because most Americans are far more interested in Jobs, keeping their home, paying their bills and taking care of their families.

Trump won on a social conservative agenda dork.

Personally I am 100% Pro-Life -

Oh really. Care to demonstrate that with actions you took?

Why do you want foreigners to come here and take American jobs? I don't.......

why to you stupidly assume otherwise?

See I had you pegged long ago.

Because you are against Trump because he is is trying to get wall built and stop the illegal ealiens entering the country.

I hadn't realized you've been posting here this long.

Anti-abortion.....still legal since 1973. If this were really a mainstream issue, R v. W would have been overturned decades ago.

This seems to contradict your other post I bumped where you said you were 100 percent pro life.

Or are you saying you are out of the mainstream.

the "anti-immigrant" position is nothing more than a rallying cry for the tiny minority of Americans who feel threatened by those who yearn to be free and seek the American dream......

Wow. On what planet do you live?

Yes, she was a great person. She was a Christian as well. I'm sure she was certain of her Eternal Reward.

Because you are against Trump because he is is trying to get wall built

FALSE!

I am against DD because he is a lying sack-of-shit, a degenerate, a national embarrassment, and is a self-centered narcissist.

Do you like Ron or Rand Paul?

Murrin passed away. She told me she was sick and dying.

Sorry to hear. R. I. P. , Murron.