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Published: Jun 10, 2010
Author: Dunstan McNichol
Post Date: 2010-06-10 10:41:20 by war
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Views: 12677
Comments: 75

June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Robbinsville, the central New Jersey town where Governor Chris Christie appeared last week to promote his plan to cap annual property-tax increases at 2.5 percent, won approval yesterday to raise its tax bills by 29 percent.

The $2.3 million increase will boost the average homeowner’s municipal tax bill to $2,000 from about $1,600, Mayor David Fried said during a hearing before the state’s Local Finance Board in Trenton. It is the result of a 2007 reassessment that prompted warehouse owners such as closely held Matrix Development Group to file successful appeals that are costing the community more than $1 million, Fried said.

Fried was among 57 mayors Christie listed on a May 26 press release as supporting his plan to impose a 2.5 percent limit on annual property-tax increases. Christie was in Robbinsville June 3 for the fourth of several town hall meetings he is holding to talk about his proposal, aimed at controlling growth in New Jersey’s property taxes, which are the highest in the nation.

“We have done everything we possibly can,” Fried said during testimony on his tax increase. “It’s a very good question how we’re going to get to 2.5 percent.”

New Jersey’s property-tax bills averaged $7,281 per household last year, according to the state Department of Community Affairs. The levy has climbed 72 percent since they averaged $4,239 in 1999.

Over The Limit

Robbinsville is among 26 communities to seek approvals this year for property-tax increases in excess of the current cap of 4 percent that was put into place through legislation in 2007 by former Governor Jon Corzine, according to Local Finance Board records.

Fried said he averaged tax increases of 2.75 percent annually for the past six years. In an interview after the meeting, he said he can stick to Christie’s proposed limit as long as accompanying changes to public employee contracts are enacted.

Christie, an obese 47-year-old Republican who took office Jan. 19, is pressing lawmakers to approve his 2.5 percent cap by early August, in time for it to appear as a proposed constitutional amendment on the November ballot. He has said Corzine’s 4 percent limit allows for too many exemptions. Under Christie’s proposal, local governments and schools would only be able to exceed the cap through public referendums or to cover debt- service payments.

“Right now we have a very leaky cap,” Christie’s spokesman, Mike Drewniak, said in a telephone interview yesterday. “It is our goal to get a hard cap in place.”

Cost Control

Christie has proposed a 33-point package of bills aimed at helping the state, municipalities and school districts control their costs. His plan would allow local governments to opt out of civil-service laws and cap public-employee raises and benefits at 2.5 percent a year.

Drewniak declined to comment on the situation in Robbinsville or other communities. Thirteen towns won approval yesterday to exceed the cap, including the Essex County town of Montclair, where the median income is almost double the U.S. level, according to U.S. Census Bureau data. Mayor Jerry Fried, 52, said he had no choice.

“A cut of this magnitude would be devastating,” Fried told the Local Finance Board in defense of a 10 percent tax increase worth $1.1 million. The average Montclair homeowner last year paid $15,585 in property taxes, which also includes school and county levies, state data show. Fried didn’t have an estimate of how much more bills would be.

Fried said residents were already outraged by a one-month delay in opening the municipal pool, a $90,000 cut in preschool subsidies and a $500,000 reduction in aid to the local library.

“Anything beyond that would be jeopardizing public safety and public support for the budget,” he said.

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#1. To: war (#0)

I'm glad I don't live in NJ any more. Way too expensive for my likes.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-06-10   10:47:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Fred Mertz (#1) (Edited)

NJ GOP residents are remarkable in their hypocrisy. They bitch and moan about spending but want nothing cut.

NJ's budget is One Big Happy Place for middle and upper middle class entitlements.

I've long said that NJ should slap a 2% surcharge/amusement tax for purchases at the shore and as a vig at AC and they'd have 0 issues with their budget and property taxes.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   10:51:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: tic, A K A Stone, all (#0)

Christie, an obese 47-year-old Republican who took office Jan. 19, is pressing lawmakers to approve his 2.5 percent cap by early August, in time for it to appear as a proposed constitutional amendment on the November ballot

Your link doesn't work.

Did you intentionally alter the content of a copyrighted article?

If you did, you're leaving Stone in jeopardy.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-10   10:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Fred Mertz, war (#1)

Have you seen Christie's approval rating lately, it's in the low 30's and falling.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-06-10   10:59:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: war, badeye (#2)

NJ GOP residents are remarkable in their hypocrisy. They bitch and moan about spending but want nothing cut.

You just defined the entire GOP/tea party movement.

Take note Badeye. Christie has a 33% approval rating.

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-06-10   10:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jerk Hunt (#3)

Your link doesn't work.

Bite me.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All, A K A Stone (#3)

www.bloomberg.com/apps/ne...87&sid=ayyhV0x7xKVA&pos=9

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-10   11:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jerk Hunt (#7)

From the "POST" page:

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Bite me.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: go65 (#5)

Take note Badeye. Christie has a 33% approval rating.

Yep, in some polls thats true.

He doesn't care. Nor do I. New Jersey's financial woes are well documented, and Christie is doing what needs to be done.

As he said, he doesn't care if he gets reelected, he ran for the job to make the hard decisions and reduce the insane spending thats driving the state broke.

I respect the hell out of him.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   11:09:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Badeye (#9) (Edited)

ROFLMAO...

Riiight...politicians NEVER care about re-elections.

Christie's job performance has alienated 7 out of 10 voters. Feel free to wax eloquently over what lesson a politician who DOES care about re-election and who has to vote to enact this guy's "vision" is going to view that.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:12:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: A K A Stone, all (#0)

Christie, an obese 47-year-old Republican who took office Jan. 19

Christie, a 47-year-old Republican who took office Jan. 19,

The first quote from the article as posted here by the anti groupie contains the cheap shot.

The second is how the article was originally written.

AKA Stone, besides the legal concerns about this as it relates to YOUR SITE, whats your view of a member of your forum editing articles to give a false point of view?

Do we have to do 'split screens' now, with this particular poster, and check the veracity?

The other obvious question: How many times has this psychopath done this in your forum?

I know you like free wheeling debate. I know you encourage it, and its generally a good thing.

But this stuff is so far over the line...what are you going to do about it?

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   11:15:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Badeye (#9)

He doesn't care. Nor do I. New Jersey's financial woes are well documented, and Christie is doing what needs to be done.

So you constantly harp that Obama should do things differently because of his "falling poll numbers" but the fact that Christie is sitting at 33% is a sign of the great job he's doing?

You must be the most limber person on the face of the earth to squirm like that. :-)

Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.

go65  posted on  2010-06-10   11:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

Christie, an obese 47-year-old Republican

What kind of objective "reporter" describes someone in those terms?

How often has sHillary been described as a fat bitch or Zero as a Homo? They don't describe fellow travellers with the same adjectives.

reaganisright  posted on  2010-06-10   11:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: go65 (#12)

My view on fiscal responsiblity is consistent in relation to Christie as it is Owe-bama, Pelosi and Reid.

Christie is doing whats 'responsible' in a crisis. Owe-bama, Pelosi and Reid are not. The numbers don't lie.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   11:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: reaganisright (#13) (Edited)

Who says a reporter has to be objective? How does freedom of the press translate into that?

By any objective standard, Christie IS obese...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:25:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: reaganisright, A K A Stone, Jethro Tull (#13)

Christie, an obese 47-year-old Republican What kind of objective "reporter" describes someone in those terms?

RR,

Thats not what the original article says. The Anti groupie violated copywrite laws, put this site in legal jeopardy, by including that on his own.

Follow the link. See for yourself.

And then ask yourself a question. Is a political forum worth the effort if you have to open a split screen and compare line by line for accuracy on the part of a forum member posting an article?

It isn't for me. While some pretend I spend all day here, I don't have that kind of time. Doubt anyone does.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   11:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Badeye (#14) (Edited)

Christie is doing whats 'responsible' in a crisis.

Actually, given the structure of NJ state and municipal finance, where much of what pays for the local services is pooled and then shared, he's merely shifting the tax burden on to property owners.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:27:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Badeye, no gnu taxes (#16) (Edited)

Is a political forum worth the effort if you have to open a split screen and compare line by line for accuracy on the part of a forum member posting an article?

Feel free to weigh in on this Padlock.

And, Boofer, thanks for revealing your hypocrisy yet again. Padlock does this as a matter of routine and almost every day.

To date, you've complained about him doing so exactly 0 times.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:29:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: war (#18)

Padlock does this as a matter of routine and almost every day.

I might put my own title instead of the blogger's, but I never change the text of the article.

no gnu taxes  posted on  2010-06-10   11:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Badeye, Tic, Stone (#16)

The Tic, in a display of insane left-wing partisan politics, put Stone in legal jeopardy. He needs to remove that ASAP.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-10   11:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: no gnu taxes (#19) (Edited)

but I never change the text of the article.

I didn't "change" anything.

And thanks for admitting one but you know that you do the other.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jerk Hunt (#20)

Bite me.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:34:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

The Tic, in a display of insane left-wing partisan politics, put Stone in legal jeopardy. He needs to remove that ASAP.

I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie.

But yep, the legal implications cannot be denied here.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   11:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#20)

Beyond the legal implications, and the obvious 'I don't give a fuck if the site owner gets his ass sued'...the requirement to split screen to check the veracity of what he posts is counterproductive, and will render the site worthless.

You let one poster get away with it, others will do the same.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   11:36:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Badeye (#23) (Edited)

Boof...any time a whole article is posted you run afoul of the fair use doctrine.

Any time you post WaPo articles even in part, as far as they are concerned, you are open to action.

Again, Padlock just admitted that he changes stuff. You've never complained.

Why now?

given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie.

ROFLMAO...you're SUCH the victim, Boof...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:37:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Badeye (#24)

From this day forward, Stone will be required to proof read anything the Tic posts. Is it any wonder the Tic is booted from forums early and often?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2010-06-10   11:40:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jerk Hunt (#26) (Edited)

Bite me.

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-10   11:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

Yes to the first, nope to the second.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   11:58:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#0)

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You might want to review this.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   12:13:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Badeye (#29)

What a bunch of horseshit. Who cares?

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-06-10   13:44:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Abu el Banat (#30)

What a bunch of horseshit. Who cares?

The person legally liable for whats posted on his website is a good guess.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   13:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Badeye (#31)

Did you have permission to post that WSJ article, Boofer?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-10   13:47:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Badeye (#31)

You don't even care. You're just trying to get war banned.

Biff Tannen  posted on  2010-06-10   14:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Abu el Banat (#33)

Honestly, I don't care. I don't see him, unless one of you cut and paste something, I don't respond to him.

Fact is he's been getting warned by our host on a variety of things lately.

This one has legal implications. He knows better. But he simply can't control himself, as he's show at the other six forums he's been banned from.

Anyway, its not my call, and as I noted above I am biased.

Just 10 days prior to the explosion, the Obama administration’s regulators gave the oil rig a pass, and last year the Obama administration granted BP a National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) exemption for its drilling operation.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-10   14:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

From this day forward, Stone will be required to proof read anything the Tic posts. Is it any wonder the Tic is booted from forums early and often?

Why don't you invite Badeye over to your site? I'm sure Christine would just love to have him as a poster there.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-10   14:16:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Badeye (#34)

Fact is he's been getting warned by our host on a variety of things lately.

Such as?

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-10   14:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Badeye (#34)

Fact is he's been getting warned by our host on a variety of things lately.

This one has legal implications. He knows better. But he simply can't control himself, as he's show at the other six forums he's been banned from.

Threatened today by one who banned the site host Stone from another site. LOLOL

So you now keep a database of forums posters are banned from?

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-10   14:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Badeye (#34)

Fact is he's been getting warned by our host on a variety of things lately.

Such as?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-06-10   14:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Abu el Banat (#33)

You're just trying to get war banned.

It's the only reason he is here...I have the email...

#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace I'm biased, obviously, given the shit I'm subjected to daily here from the anti groupie. Badeye posted on 2010-06-10 11:34:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

war  posted on  2010-06-10   14:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Fred Mertz (#38)

Such as?

Badeye hallucinates wildly at times.

Making the world safe for United Fruit.

mininggold  posted on  2010-06-10   14:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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