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Title: Doctors Group Says Bush Administration Conducted Medical Experiments On Detainees
Source: RAW STORY
URL Source: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0607/do ... medical-experiments-detainees/
Published: Jun 7, 2010
Author: RAW STORY
Post Date: 2010-06-07 11:18:03 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 10647
Comments: 59

A new report by the watchdog group Physicians for Human Rights alleges Monday that the Bush Administration experimented on terrorism suspects during their enhanced interrogation program put in force starting in 2002.

The group's review, which examined Bush-era documentation, asserts that the administration violated laws set up in the wake of the Holocaust to prevent medical testing on prisoners of war. (Nazi doctors sometimes experimented on their prisoners.)

The report states that, "Medical personnel were required to monitor all waterboarding practices and collect detailed medical information that was used to design, develop and deploy subsequent waterboarding procedures." Notes the Associated Press:

For example, the report said, doctors recommended adding salt to the water used for waterboarding, so the patient wouldn't experience hyponatremia, "a condition of low sodium levels in the blood caused by free water intoxication."

The report interpreted that doctor-recommended practice of using saline solution as "Waterboarding 2.0."

It also said information was gathered on the pain inflicted when various techniques were used in combination. Raymond said the purpose was to see if the pain caused violated Bush administration definitions of torture, rather than as a safeguard of the detainees' health.

Medical personnel, the report said, also monitored sleep deprivation, with sleepless stints from 48 hours to 180 hours — again to make sure it did not cause prolonged physical and mental suffering, as per those Bush administration definitions, rather than to watch out for harm to the detainee.

"We're not writing the indictment here," author Nathaniel Raymond told the Associated Pres. "We're seeing there needs to be a search warrant. If the White House does not act on this, it's turning its back on something that could be perceived as a war crime."

The CIA vehemently denied the allegations in the report.

"The CIA did not, as part of its past detention program, conduct human subject research on any detainee or group of detainees," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano told a reporter.

Mother Jones, the investigative liberal magazine, says that the Bush Administration may have -- ironically -- engaged in "experimentation" in an effort to shield it from accusations of torture.

In the documents review by the watchdog group, a Bush Administration lawyer wrote, "Human experimentation without the consent of the subject is a violation of international human rights law to which the United States is subject; federal statutes; the Common Rule, which comprises the federal regulations for research on human subjects and applies to 17 federal agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency and the Department of Defense; and universally accepted health professional ethics, including the Nuremberg Code... Human experimentation on detainees also can constitute a war crime and a crime against humanity in certain circumstances."

"Ironically, one goal of the 'experimentation' seems to have been to immunize Bush administration officials and CIA interrogators from potential prosecution for torture," writes Mother Jones' Nick Baumann. "In the series of legal papers that are now popularly known as the 'torture memos,' Justice Department lawyers argued that medical monitoring would demonstrate that interrogators didn't intend to harm detainees; that 'lack of intent to cause harm' could then serve as the cornerstone of a legal defense should an interrogator be targeted for prosecution. In 2003, in an internal CIA memo cited in the PHR report, the CIA's general counsel, Scott Muller, argued that medical monitoring of interrogations and 'reviewing evidence gained from past experience where available (including experience gained in the course of U.S. interrogations of detainees)' would allow interrogators to inoculate themselves against claims of torture because it 'established' they didn't intend to cause harm to the detainees."

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#5. To: Brian S (#0)

"We're seeing there needs to be a search warrant. If the White House does not act on this, it's turning its back on something that could be perceived as a war crime."

I doubt the administration will do the honorable thing and look into this.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-06-07   13:00:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Fred Mertz (#5) (Edited)

This adminstration has one difference and one difference only from Boy Blunder vis-a-vis national defense...ending DADT...

war  posted on  2010-06-07   13:41:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: war (#6)

This torture stuff really turned off a lot of military and former military folks to BushCo.

But apparenlty our self-proclaimed Vet wasn't bothered a bit by it.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-06-07   14:02:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Fred Mertz (#7)

You make an assertion you cannot back up, followed by a smear you resent only because of what it says about yourself, freddie.

Sucks to be you, I guess.

Badeye  posted on  2010-06-07   14:53:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Badeye (#8)

You make an assertion you cannot back up

I am outraged at the torture and waterboarding is torture, as are a number of fellow veterans I know personally. Plus, over the years notable retired generals and below have taken similar outlooks as I've read in the print media.

I'm not your file clerk. Look it up.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-06-07   14:59:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Fred Mertz (#10)

Ex-military officers take argument to presidential hopefuls
Monday, December 10, 2007
By Paula Reed Ward, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

During the Battle of Iwo Jima in March 1945, as American soldiers went cave to cave looking for enemy soldiers, a Japanese soldier emerged, wearing nothing but a loin cloth.

The Americans took him into custody. They fed him and clothed him, and took him to a foxhole with them. A short time later, he asked if anyone spoke French.

One soldier did, and all of a sudden, the Americans realized they had captured a high-ranking man -- with a lot of knowledge of Japanese plans -- who was willing to cooperate with them. He told them where other enemy soldiers were hiding in the area and eventually was taken to Washington, D.C. The intelligence he provided was invaluable.

Conversely, it was bad intelligence that led to the current war in Iraq, said Don Guter, a retired rear admiral and former Navy judge advocate general.

After capturing a Libyan trainer for al-Qaida shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the United States turned him over to Egypt.

"They tortured him," said Mr. Guter, now the dean of Duquesne Law School.

It was Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi who made the connection between Iraq and al-Qaida, a principal justification for the invasion of Iraq.

"He later recanted, but it was too late," Mr. Guter said.

Those two examples are being used by a group of 49 retired admirals and generals who want to meet with all the presidential candidates to discuss why they believe the United States cannot engage in torture.

Not only does mistreatment of prisoners produce bad intelligence, it violates the rules of war and the Geneva Conventions, creates damaged soldiers and has ruined the United States' standing around the world, Mr. Guter said.

Fifteen members of the group, organized by Human Rights First, met with seven presidential candidates last weekend in Des Moines, Iowa.

The group says the program is designed simply to make sure the candidates are well-informed on the topic.

"As far as we're concerned, this shouldn't be a point the United States should have to debate," Mr. Guter said. "Whoever is the next commander in chief, we want them to believe what we're telling them."

The alliance of retired, high-ranking military officials and a group considered to be quite liberal may seem unusual, Mr. Guter admitted. But he doesn't think so.

"To me, the values we're espousing are conservative," he said. "We're trying to come down on the side of American values that we see being eroded and destroyed."

It was the staff at Human Rights First that noticed various admirals and generals speaking out individually on the issue. They then made the effort to pull the group together.

The mission of the retired military leaders is not to endorse any particular person in the race. They have agreed they will not reveal any of the candidates' responses to the presentations, though Mr. Guter said he thought they've all been favorable.

Of all the candidates they met with last week, only one -- Mike Huckabee -- was a Republican.

"It is a little frustrating, because we do want to talk to everybody," he said.

Matthew Freedus, an adviser to the National Institute of Military Justice, said he's not surprised that few Republicans want to meet with the panel.

"There's potentially very little for the candidate to gain by sitting down with a group that has so much experience on this and that [has a viewpoint] that's so different from the position they can afford to take," Mr. Freedus said. "It's like going into combat without body armor."

He noted that it's unusual for military personnel to be aligned on an issue with Democrats.

"Having service members who are very familiar with the law of war is helpful for this discussion," Mr. Freedus said. "They're straight-talkers. They're going to say how they feel."

The panel of speakers included experts on law, medicine, intelligence and combat operations. Together, Mr. Guter said, they had more than 400 years of military experience.

Darius Rejali, a political science professor at Reed College in Oregon and an expert on torture, said that the message being sent by the generals reflects that of the American public.

Opposition to torture since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has consistently been between 55 and 65 percent in polls, Mr. Rejali said, even for what he calls the "ticking time-bomb question" (asking if torture is acceptable when a catastrophic event is at hand and the person being questioned is believed to have information that could prevent it).

But most Americans have the perception that the majority of people support torture, when they do not.

"We think the debate has been driven by fear," Mr. Guter said. "We've faced vicious enemies in every war.

"But we've never had a policy of torture."

For generations, the United States was looked upon from the outside as having the higher moral authority, Mr. Guter said. But because of recent policy changes, he continued, that is no longer the case.

"The rule of law has suffered," he said. "In the past, we've held the high ground."

Mr. Rejali, who recently published a book, "Torture & Democracy," called the war on terror a war on values.

"You lose the war if you defend your values with barbaric methods," Mr. Rejali said. "If it's a moral cause, people will rally for it."

Like the military panel, he agreed that torture disrupts public cooperation and will lead to increasing terrorism.

"It certainly undermines trust, which is the critical thing here in gathering information," he said.

More than that, Mr. Guter added, it can also harm our own soldiers, who must carry out the torture. When they return from war, they are more likely to face addiction, depression, low morale and what Mr. Rejali called "perpetrator- induced traumatic stress."

"Usually, at the end of war, the torturers are dumped," he said. "Most people don't realize what happens out there comes home."

All of those reasons are cited by Mr. Guter as explanation for why his group wants to have this dialogue with whoever is to lead the United States.

"There's no disconnect between human rights and national security," Mr. Guter said. "They're synergistic. One doesn't work without the other for very long.

"On Inauguration Day, we'd like to have a commander in chief who is a voice for courage."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07344/840476-84.stm#ixzz0qCBeYJSj

war  posted on  2010-06-07   15:04:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: war (#11)

Those two examples are being used by a group of 49 retired admirals and generals who want to meet with all the presidential candidates to discuss why they believe the United States cannot engage in torture.

Not only does mistreatment of prisoners produce bad intelligence, it violates the rules of war and the Geneva Conventions, creates damaged soldiers and has ruined the United States' standing around the world, Mr. Guter said.

Thank you.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2010-06-07   15:11:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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