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Title: Time to Call the Tea Party's Bluff
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URL Source: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub ... _to_call_the_tea_party_s_bluff
Published: Jun 3, 2010
Author: Froma Harrop
Post Date: 2010-06-03 09:52:42 by go65
Keywords: None
Views: 16908
Comments: 57
I'm done trying to hack through the tea party thicket of self-contradiction, self-delusion and self- serving positions. My last straw is Rand Paul, a tea party favorite and now Republican nominee for senator from Kentucky. What damns Paul wasn't the flap over his views on the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Presumably, Paul isn't a racist. He's just a privileged white guy -- a doctor and son of 11-term congressman Ron Paul -- who lacks feeling for America's tragic history of racism. What makes Rand Paul so exasperating is his crashing hypocrisy on Medicare. The hero to the cause of smaller government and balanced budgets also vows not to touch Medicare -- the biggest and fastest- growing expense on the federal balance sheet. Rand's compromised stance reflects the political necessity of keeping the tea party people happy. The group is heavy with older folk, who have carefully drawn a line of self-interest around the king of government entitlements, Medicare. Here's a sample view from a leader of the Rhode Island tea party: "We understand that the federal government cannot take $500 billion out of Medicare and provide the same medical services to our elderly, all the while offering health care to 30 million new people, without a vast increase in the number of providers, the imposition of massive new taxes and/or the rationing of care." Where does one start? First off, the new health care legislation does not cut a single guaranteed Medicare benefit. It actually expands the offerings to include screening services and closing the drug- benefit doughnut hole. The savings come largely from ending overpayments to the private Medicare Advantage plans. As for "the massive new taxes," would the tea party folk please tell us where they are? While they're looking, the public should note that money for the new health care legislation is honestly allocated. That can't be said of the Republicans' 2003 Medicare drug benefit -- a corporate bonanza for which not a penny was funded. Our tea party spokeswoman goes on to claim that, in any case, "we paid" for Medicare. Oh, really? It happens that Medicare payroll taxes provide 40 percent of the program's funding and premiums another 12 percent. The remaining 39 percent comes from general revenues (mostly income taxes). Much of the payroll and income taxes are born by people who won't live long enough to collect benefits themselves. And given the spiraling costs of the program, today's young taxpayers will never see the level of benefits that they are now subsidizing. What is the extent of the support? A typical couple retiring in 2020 will have paid about $100,000 in lifetime Medicare taxes but will receive $500,000 in scheduled Medicare benefits over the premiums they pay to the program. This is according to C. Eugene Steuerle, a tax policy expert at the Urban Institute. I asked Steuerle about the income taxes that many Medicare beneficiaries paid and continue to pay. He responded that "given the large deficits we're running and the benefit level relative to previous or current tax levels, there's still no doubt that current generations are being subsidized by future generations." My question to the tea party's lovers of liberty: If you really think you've paid for Medicare and hate big government, why don't you demand that this expensive program be ended? Hey, the same Constitution that (you keep insisting) says nothing about a universal right to health coverage doesn't guarantee health benefits for older people, either. Of course, you will get a refund for those payroll taxes you've paid. But tea party patriots are not clamoring to lift the taxpayers' yoke of subsidizing their retirements. The phoniness of this movement is hard to calculate.
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#1. To: go65 (#0)
(laughing) Lets see. Called the Tea Party a bunch of racists. Then bigots. Then ignorant. Then claimed it was a GOP 'astro turffing'. Then claimed its a front for Aryan Nation idiots. After all that...they were a huge force in NJ, VA, and of course MA, getting GOP victories in each due to their enthusiasm. They also supported Democrats who were running on conservative principals related to curtailing federal spending, taxation. And were against Owe-bama care, and cap and trade (PA-12 specifically). Now...'call their bluff'? rotfl! Yeah, you keep doing that, so far they're winning.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
You completely missed the point (as usual). Where are the list of programs the Tea Party actually wants to cut? And did you miss the fact that Scott Brown has become a key swing vote to help Democrats?
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Butt ugly Marxist blogger. Who gives a rat's ass what she thinks.
What programs does the Tea Party specifically want to cut?
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Where are the list of programs the Tea Party actually wants to cut? And did you miss the fact that Scott Brown has become a key swing vote to help Democrats? 'You completely missed the point (as usual). ' If you mean the dem talking point, nope, just ignored it. 'Where are the list of programs the Tea Party actually wants to cut? ' What does that have to do with the TP being wildly sucessful to date? 'And did you miss the fact that Scott Brown has become a key swing vote to help Democrats? ' Did you miss the fact that seat was held by Democrats for sixty years, and is now Republican? Did you miss the fact you lost your Super Majority? Did you miss the fact this is the single most hated Congress in American History, brought about by total Democrat control? Did you miss the fact Owe-bama has been thwarted in several areas because DEMOCRATS wouldn't vote with him? Did you miss the fact every race where he's shown up of note in the past eight months his choosen Candidate/Nominee has LOST? No worries, I'm here for you on these 'misses'.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
what programs does the tea party specifically want to cut? Doug Hoffman, Marlin Stutzman, John Hostetter, J.D. Heyworth, Chuck DeVore, Tim Burns, Debra Medina, Sam Rohrer, and Peg Luksik might have a different view of tea party success. All of them are Tea Party candidates who lost, or are losing in polls. And with respect to Virginia, Bob McDonnell shunned the tea party and instead campaigned with Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. And in MA, Scott Brown's organization had close ties to Romney while Brown blew off tea party events. Reality sucks, but then again.....
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
The reality is your side is losing the political war by a significant margin, and the outlook for regaining the upper hand for this year, and this election cycle is remote at best.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
"Froma Harrop (born March 18, 1950 in New York City) is a liberal writer and author." Yep...just another RAT-Media MORON thinking TeaPartiers give a flying KRAP about what she thinks about the organization that's gonna DEFEAT her beloved obamaNation. Bite me, BEE-ahhhtch!! "She is best known for her twice-a-week syndicated column which appears in about 200 newspapers including the Seattle Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, Denver Post, Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, Detroit News, and Miami Herald. [1] Media Matters for America ranks Harrop 20th among the top 100 syndicated columnists for total reader reach and 14th based on average circulation. [2]." And HOO the F**K cares what Soros-controlled Media Matters says?! They are 100% Marxist RATS...LOL!! GO65...is this the best anti-TeaParty propoganda you Obamabots got in yer quiver?! LOL...gonna be a tough November fer you and yers, my friend. "Recent career Harrop has been a guest on PBS, MSNBC, NPR and many other LeftWing television and radio stations. Harrop has written for such diverse publications as The NooYawkSlimes, Harper’s Bazaar, and Institutional Investor. Her views have been described as liberal. She is a big supporter of finance reform and the Obama health plan." Yep, told ya...a certified Obamabot RAT-MORON...LOL!! RATS are STOOOPID...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, All of them except Border Security...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, That's quite a collection of fish wraps the old lefty works for. It's too bad not one turns a profit. I wonder why?
During and after the gubernatorial campaign, I spoke directly to Bob McDonnell and he is a HUGE supporter of me and my fellow TeaPartyPatriots...100%!! RATS are being exposed as the anti-Capitalist, anti- American Marxists they've been all along and yer beloved party of RACISTS, RAT- MORONS, UnionThugBureaucRATS, and ignorant welfare-whore RAT-minions is about to lose control of Congress. Then, it's just a matter of time before the RAT- Party Elites throw their li'l Kenyan hand-puppet under the bus...and Barry Hussein Soetoro will most likely be forced to RESIGN his office in SHAME!! Enjoy the next coupla years, my Obamabot buddy...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Gee...how FReeper of you Mud. i doubt if you read the article.
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
GO65's a bit off his game today, Mud. I think its the shock of realizing this November is going to be a big time asskicking for the Dems, and the fact Owe- bama is looking more and more to be a one term failure ala Carter.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
No need to read RAT-propoganda unless yer a BRAINDEAD DemocRAT, Obamabot...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I like GO65...he's actually quite personable about 80-85% of the time, I've found...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I'd put it at 70%...except for today, he was just nuts....(chuckle)
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Perhaps WeThePeople are a bit TIRED of paying Leftists to LIE to us...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Fuck off...it's apparent that since you obviously cannot write that you also CAN'T read. Best to the wife. Then again, had you, you'd still have her. (laughing)
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
You're attracted to the smell of fish, Cunt? Not surprised...you're USED to it. (laughing)
#67. To: war (#48) Keep hiding behind the bozo, bozo. (laughing) You've always been a world class pussy. Badeye posted on 2010-01-14 16:12:48 ET Reply Trace
A bit off my game? Chuckle.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
Tea Party Leader Criticizes McDonnell: http://www.examiner.com/x-16143-Richmond-Republican-Examiner~y2010m2d22-Tea-Part- leader-criticizes-Governor-McDonnell Guiliani stumps for McDonnell: http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/102009/10292009/503913/index_html Romney campaigns for McDonnell: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2009/10/romney_gets_int.html Palin: McDonnell asked for my help, then changed his mind: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2009/10/republican_bob_mcdonnell_repea.html
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
So things like oil platform inspections, the coast guard, EPA, and minerals and mining safety? OK, run on that, please!
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
yeah, we proved that by losing PA-13 and NY-23. Oh wait....
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
I wonder when you on the Left will realize you'd be better off not mentioning the TP in any context. So far, the best thing to happen for it is the Garafolo's and Olberman's on your side uttering insane hate based insults that were easily swatted down. Its like taunting a big mean dog on a weak chain. Eventually, that dog is going to break loose and tear you all up.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
You wanna brag about PA-13 going to a guy that agrees with Limbaugh, be my guest....(laughing) Pro life, pro gun, anti tax, anti spend, anti Owe-bama care, anti cap and trade. Anti Pelosi. His words. Pity your party leadership isn't learning from HOW he won.
For approximately 72K, BP Oil bought Owe-bama. And as President, he let them Spill, Baby, Spill! Its documented.
Limbaugh wants to keep the flow of pork going to PA-13? Really?
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
We don't haveta run on anything other than being the ANTI-ObamaNation, my friend...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Dude, I have NEVER even heard of that so-called TeaPartyLeader until now...yer trying to make mountains outta molehills...all that matters is that we agree that the ObamaNation is a Marxist EEEEEVIL that we MUST STOP...nothing else really matters, GO65, other than defeating the Marxist RAT scumbags like Obama and his ilk...the writing's on the wall, the RATS are being exposed for the anti-American, anti-Capitalist, anti-Liberty BigGuv'ment Statists they've been all along!! Regards...MUD BTW...just wondering, R U a government employee per chance?
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,
Nolu_Chan's a "RETIREE"!! LOL...I always figgered him as a 20-something...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, OK, run on that, please! Ohhhh.....yes....of course. Great observation. The current regime has done a bang up job on all that......DO....run on those massive successes........BITTE..:):) Chuckles......you'll never grasp how silly you look will you.
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. And yet one more stupefying comment from Dwarf's muzzle.... "The FRB is not unconstitutional. It was created by the Congress as it's chosen means to regulate the value of money." Welcome to our latest tard fake....DR SKIPPY INTRO!!!!!!and all us others thought to just throw away the used matchbooks rather than avail ourselves of the educational opportunities......LOL!!!!!!!
Yeah Mudboy, Obama's marxism is what is keeping him from nationalizing BP.
Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality.
BBBBWWWWAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAA!!! Catch this idiot poodles' latest moronic comment. Let's not remind him maybe the reason obamunist can't nationalize BP might have something to do with the British in the "BP". Kicking these pathetic morons around is getting to be mundane......
Death to everybody who does not get outta my way. And yet one more stupefying comment from Dwarf's muzzle.... "The FRB is not unconstitutional. It was created by the Congress as it's chosen means to regulate the value of money." Welcome to our latest tard fake....DR SKIPPY INTRO!!!!!!and all us others thought to just throw away the used matchbooks rather than avail ourselves of the educational opportunities......LOL!!!!!!!
LOL...even fer the Great&MercifulLordMessiahObama, it'd be rather unprecedented fer an American President to NATIONALIZE British Petroleum!! Chuckle/cackle...I must commend you on yer very Progressive thinking, though, my fascist(-defending) friend...MUD BTW...R U gonna support SlickBarryOWE or the Hildabeast fer POTUS in 2012?
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Word, mi muchacho, word... That said, you gotta sorta feel sorry fer the RAT-minions HOO attached sooo much HOPE and TRUST in this unqualified, uncredentialed, unaccomplished, Marxist-MORON fer their own personal happiness. I mean, have you ever seen one of these RAT-TROLLS ever say a bad thing about their RAT-Messiah?! Hell- friggin'-NO!! These RAT-TROLLS LOOOOOVE their RAT-Messiah no matter how much he screws up this great nation!! And they will continue to defend them FOREVER becuz they still LOOOOVE SlickWillie (and FatTeddyK) to this day!! Pathetic?! Of course...but that's Y they R braindead RAT-MORONS, duhhh!! Just call me "MOTO"**...MUD BTW...**MasterOfTheObvious.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Whatever...I left the GOP in 2002 and have enjoyed my Independent Status ever since...the issue is Obama's Marxist ideology. R U insisting that the RAT- Messiah is NOT a Marxist/Leftist/Socialist/BigGuv'mentLovin'&Trustin'/Progressive/RAT-MORON?! Or R U admitting that Obama is in fact a Marxist/Leftist/Socialist/BigGuv'mentLovin'&Trustin'/Progressive/RAT-MORON?! Just clarifying our terms, mi amigo del Castro es Magnifico...MUD
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, LOL...MUD "Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Not unlike the Obamabot RAT-nominee fer the SCOTUS, that CharlesKuraltInDrag cattle...BUTT-friggin' MOOOGLY!!
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Need I mention Ruth "Buzzi" Ginsberg, HOO looks like the Wicked Witch of the West (just not quite as sexy)...MUD BTW...it is stormin' something fierce here in Richmond, Virginny this evening...yet the new, improved MudCave's electricity and internet connxn are holding up fine.
"Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, It isn't just the RATS it is ALL "PROGRESSIVES" regardless of the party label they wear. ia what ALL "PROGRRESSIVES" both RINO and RAT do every time their lips move. is what they will do to YOU as long as you see "PROGRESSIVISM" and "SOCIALISM" as just a matter of party label and continue to vote for "R" SOCIALISTS AND PROGRESSIVES like Shrubya rather than genuine constitutionalist Conservatives!!
So fook off liberal bitch. Sneakypete, have you ever been married? Said things you later regretted?
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#2. To: Badeye (#1)
After all that...they were a huge force in NJ, VA, and of course MA, getting GOP victories in each due to their enthusiasm.
#3. To: go65 (#0)
Froma Harrop
#4. To: no gnu taxes (#3)
Butt ugly Marxist blogger. Who gives a rat's ass what she thinks.
#5. To: go65 (#2)
You completely missed the point (as usual).
#6. To: Badeye (#5)
If you mean the dem talking point, nope, just ignored it.
What does that have to do with the TP being wildly sucessful to date?
#7. To: go65 (#6)
#8. To: no gnu taxes, GO65 (#3)
Harrop later became a business editor for The New York Times News Service.
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#9. To: go65 (#6)
"...what programs does the tea party specifically want to cut?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#10. To: Mudboy Slim (#8)
"She is best known for her twice-a-week syndicated column which appears in about 200 newspapers including the Seattle Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, Denver Post, Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, Detroit News, and Miami Herald.
#11. To: go65 (#6)
"...with respect to Virginia, Bob McDonnell shunned the tea party"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#12. To: Mudboy Slim (#8)
#13. To: Mudboy Slim (#11)
#14. To: war (#12)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#15. To: Badeye, GO65 (#13)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#16. To: Mudboy Slim (#15)
I like GO65...he's actually quite personable about 80-85% of the time, I've found...MUD
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
"I wonder why?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#18. To: Mudboy Slim (#14)
#19. To: Jerk Hunt (#10)
#20. To: Badeye (#13)
GO65's a bit off his game today, Mud. I think its the shock of realizing this November is going to be a big time asskicking for the Dems, and the fact Owe- bama is looking more and more to be a one term failure ala Carter.
#21. To: Mudboy Slim, badeye (#11)
#22. To: Mudboy Slim (#9)
All of them except Border Security...MUD
#23. To: Badeye (#7)
The reality is your side is losing the political war by a significant margin, and the outlook for regaining the upper hand for this year, and this election cycle is remote at best.
#24. To: go65 (#21)
#25. To: go65 (#23)
yeah, we proved that by losing PA-13 and NY-23.
#26. To: Badeye (#25)
You wanna brag about PA-13 going to a guy that agrees with Limbaugh, be my guest....(laughing)
#27. To: go65 (#22)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#28. To: go65 (#21)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#29. To: Tic (#19)
fish, Cunt
#30. To: go65 (#22)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#31. To: go65 (#22)
So things like oil platform inspections, the coast guard, EPA, and minerals and mining safety?
#32. To: Mudboy Slim (#28)
Dude, I have NEVER even heard of that so-called TeaPartyLeader until now...yer trying to make mountains outta molehills...all that matters is that we agree that the ObamaNation is a Marxist EEEEEVIL that we MUST STOP...nothing else really matters, GO65, other than defeating the Marxist RAT scumbags like Obama and his ilk...the writing's on the wall, the RATS are being exposed for the anti-American, anti-Capitalist, anti-Liberty BigGuv'ment Statists they've been all along!!
#33. To: gotobamaallthetime65, Mudboy Slim (#32)
Yeah Mudboy, Obama's marxism is what is keeping him from nationalizing BP.
#34. To: go65 (#32)
"...nationalizing BP."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#35. To: e_type_jag, A K A Stone, Dr. Skippy, SammieGee, Rotara, war, buckeroo, Murron, padlock, AuntB (#33)
"Kicking these pathetic morons around is getting to be mundane......"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#36. To: go65 (#32)
"Being a Republican means you get to choose your own reality."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#37. To: no gnu taxes (#3)
"Froma Harrop...Butt ugly Marxist blogger. Who gives a rat's ass what she thinks."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#38. To: All (#37)
"BUTT-friggin' MOOOGLY!!"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#39. To: All (#38)
(Edited)
"BUTT-friggin' MOOOGLY!!"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the US Constitution."
#40. To: Mudboy Slim (#11)
(Edited)
THIS
And THIS
The Fed EXPOSED!!! The FARO RESERVE BANK!!!
#41. To: go65 (#0)
I'm done trying to hack through the tea party thicket of self-contradiction, self-delusion and self- serving positions.
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